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Gov. Rendell: There's 50% About Barack Obama We Don't Know Yet

April 03, 2008 4:03 PM

As governor of Pennsylvania, Ed Rendell is getting a lot of attention these days as the chief surrogate for Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., as she and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., square off in preparation for the Keystone state's April 22 primary.

Rendell joined us for the ABC News Shuffle Podcast, which you can listen to on iTunes or HERE.

Some highlights from our 37-minute chat:

"I think that Hillary Clinton wears very well, the more people get to know her I think the more they like her. I've seen that transformation with working-class stay-at-home women who last year at this time were very cool to Hillary. But when we were at the St. Paddy's day parade at Pittsburgh and Scranton they were screaming for her like she was a rock star."

Rendell said that Clinton will be able to beat Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., in states such as Florida, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania, and "she's been really well vetted, all the bad stuff is by and large out there, and there are no surprises. With Sen. Obama I think the right now he may run, a little stronger in some areas -- not the key states -- but in some areas against Sen McCain, but understand that he hasn't been vetted."

Rendell says Obama hasn't been upfront about his position on nuclear power -- he referenced a New York Times story on Obama watering down some legislation, after which the nuclear exec became big contributors -- and then said, "but you haven't heard that from the Clinton campaign and you won't We're not going to put up a TV ad saying 'He's lying to you' because I think there's been restraint on both sides. I'm not just praising Sen. Clinton, I think Sen. Obama has been pretty restrained."

That said, Rendell said, once Obama becomes the nominee the Republicans will unleash the hounds.

"You don't think the Republican 527s are going to leave this stuff alone do you?" he asked. "You don't think you're going to see 527 ads with the explicit comments Rev. Wright said, about Rezko and the land deal? You're going to see 527 ads about all of those things."

It's not as if the race will be nicer if Clinton is the nominee, I suggested.

"It won't be nicer," Rendell responded, "but what there is to construe negatively in Sen. Clinton's background is out there so I think she'll suffer less slippage than Sen. Obama would and that's why I think she's a stronger candidate."

I took issue with the assertion that everything about Clinton is "out there" -- she hasn't released her IRS returns from the past seven years, there are library documents that remain unreleased, we don't know who the donors to the Bill Clinton Library are.

"I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Rendell said.

He suggested that Obama can win Pennsylvania, but avoided saying that he thought he would.

"I don't know how hard they'll hit him and I don't know how hard, well, either the Obama campaign will respond or how well the American people will respond," he said. "I always like to credit peoples better angels.  I think they can overplay all this stuff and I think it could backfire . . . I have no doubt (Obama) can win -- it's going to be tough. John McCain is the best candidate the Republicans could've fielded to win Pennsylvania.  He's probably the best they've fielded in probably 4 or 5 presidential elections in terms of likely to carry Pennsylvania. So it's going to be tough but he can win."

Rendell also talked about:

* how women voters have been offended by the media coverage of Clinton and how his wife -- Judge Midge Rendell -- has been personally touched by what she perceives to be unfair bias in the coverage of Clinton;

* the battlegrounds in the state -- the fiercest fight, like always, is in the suburbs of Philadelphia;

* the racial politics of the state -- a buzz saw he ran into when he ran against an incumbent African-American Mayor in the Democratic primary in 1987 -- as well as his controversial comments about white voters not being ready to vote for a black candidate; and

* the scandals involving neighboring state Democratic governors, Jim McGreevey of New Jersey and Eliot Spitzer of New York. He laughed about a David Letterman TV ad that looped him in with those two, but called the two scandals "sad."  "I've tried to live as normal a life as I can in my 31 years in public office but its hard. You have to catch yourself all the time...you don’t have the same freedom that a normal person has."

A fun chat for political junkies between two Philly-boys. Listen HERE. ABC News Shuffle Podcast produced by the fantastic Julia Hoppock.

- jpt

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rendell is a known racist. he was the DA of philly back in the 80s and was involved in the bombing of the MOVE house in west philly. that bombing killed 11 people, including kids. he has done nothing to rectify his part of the problem. i don't trust him AT ALL. so if hillary is accepting his support just so she can win pennsylvania... then i cannot support her. it's impossible.

bad move, hillary. there are plenty of black folks out here who will never forget what happened to MOVE! we'll never forget the name rendell. it's a bad move to have that name connected with your own.

Posted by: abd26 | Apr 15, 2008 9:24:54 AM

Why I will Vote for Hillary Clinton:

1. ENERGY: We know we need to change to Cheaper, Cleaner, DE-Centralized/NOT Monopoly controlled Energy.

Clinton states that her Energy Plan does not include nuclear; nuclear can be considered ... in the future .... IF and when they find a way to MAKE IT CHEAPER and Find a way to safely dispose of nuclear waste.

(Obama and McCain have said they are Pro-Nuclear).

2. ECONOMY: The Clintons are the only candidates with ANY experience in TURNING an ECONOMY around before it slides into economic meltdown .... engendering unprecedented economic growth .... during the 1990's ...following Reagan/Bush 1's wholesale looting of the majority of the public and the public treasury.


3. FOREIGN POLICY: Returning the Clintons to the White House will Return the Rest of The World's Governments and Peoples to the SAME unprecedented High Level of Goodwill, RESPECT, and TRUST for the U.S. Government as they had during Bill Clinton's administration.

4. COMPETENT QUALIFED PEOPLE RUNNING THE GOVERNMENT:

Same as during Bill Clinton's administration.

5. REAL PUBLIC SERVANTS instead of cronyism, payoffs, corruption in Government.

The Clinton administration was investigated far more than any other entity in the history of the world.

Investigated by people who hated them AND desperately wanted to find a way to find them guilty of payoffs, corruption, SOMETHING, anything ..... Following 8 years and hundreds of millions of dollars worth of investigations the Clintons were not found guilty of ANY KIND of political corruption --- (which practically makes them eligible for political Sainthood).

As best I can see the Clintons are the candidates being backed by the GOOD wealthy people. Bill Clinton has spent the past eight years .... promoting and expanding CHARITY - particularly among the rich.

When Clinton was president what kind of legislation did he manage to get passed- despite a Republican Controlled Congress?

Two Examples: The Family and Medical Leave Act .... for the benefit of ordinary American working class people, and the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts. (The two most essential elements for life on this planet.)

Put the Clintons back in the White House WITH a Democrat-Controlled Congress AND the REAL CHANGES We the People Need CAN get made.

Posted by: elme | Apr 8, 2008 9:17:23 PM

Why I will not vote for Obama:

1. Are we likely to get GOOD CHANGES in Energy policy from an Obama administration?

Answer: NO. Why Not?

Because: Obama voted FOR the Cheney Energy Bill (H.R. 6) in 2005.

(which enabled the nuke industry to begin planning to build 29 new nukes (one of them in Pennsylvania)
- after 30 years of no new nukes being built because the banks wouldn't loan the money - too risky.

The Cheney Energy Bill solved that problem for the nuke industry by guaranteeing taxpayer payback of any of the nuke loans that default ... (with the risk of default rated by the Congressional Budget Office at 50% or greater).

Because: Obama has been IN with the nuke industry for decades. Excelon Corp. of Illinois is the largest nuke operator on earth - ( they own the nuclear power plants in Illinois and they own Con-Ed in NY state). Excelon has been one of Obama's largest contributors since his earliest days in politics.

Because: Obama would not even be IN the race for president IF he was not HEAVILY SUPPORTED by the nuke industry. GE (2nd largest corporation on the planet) & Westinghouse are planning to build many of those nukes.

GE owns NBC & MSNBC. Westinghouse owns CBS. That's the reason "the Mainstreams Media" are PUSHING Obama for President/ slamming & smearing the Clintons. ABSENT BILLIONS of dollars worth of FREE Pro-Obama Advertising/Propaganda provided by NBC/MSNBC/and CBS Obama would not have gotten past the New Hampshire primary.

2. Are we likely to get GOOD CHANGES in the ECONOMY?

Answer: It doesn't look good. Obama's financial advisors include the followng people:

JEFFREY LIEBMAN: SOCIAL SECURITY: In a 2005 policy paper Liebman advocated a mix of benefit cuts, tax increases and mandatory personal accounts.
DAVID CUTLER: HEALTHCARE: He Says High Health Care Costs are Good.
AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: RICH GETTING RICHER, EVERYBODY ELSE GETTING POORER:
The stagnation of middle- and working-class incomes, and the anxiety this has generated, is, he says, a most pressing problem, but policymakers must be mindful about trying to address its root cause, which Goolsbee says is "radically increased returns to skill." ( i.e. College degrees are paying off more & more --- which is true, BUT Certainly DOES NOT account for the rise of the super rich, nor the increasing poverty of everyone else.)

(Evidently, Goolsbee's not old enough to remember the beginning of that Income Inequality, or to recognize THE CAUSE. It began in 1981. THE CAUSE of it was and is that Reagan cut the top tax rate DOWN from 70% to the low 30% s, AND Corporations all over America BEGAN instituting "THE TWO-TIER WAGE STRUCTURE'. i.e. Pay the people at the top a LOT MORE, Pay Everybody Else a LOT LESS. (If you searched old newspaper archives from the early 1980s you would find newspaper articles about the sudden appearance of the Two-Tier Wage Structure.)

3. Are we likely to get GOOD CHANGES in Foreign Policy?

Answer: Not Likely.

Among a dozen or so Foreign Policy Advisors the most "senior" advisor is:

Zbigniew Brzezinski. Former National Security Advisor to President Carter. Using the CIA & Billions of dollars, he ginned up a War in Afghanistan .... seeking as he said to "give the Soviet Union its own Vietnam.".

He Created the Taliban and Al Queda/ JIHAD/madrassa brainwashing schools for that purpose. Supported the dictator Pol Pol who massacred millions of Cambodian villagers. When asked, if in hindsight, considering that Al Queda eventually attacked America, and Pol Pot slaughtered millions - IF he would change anything he had done .... Zbig answered NO, he was satisfied with the results.

Electing Obama President is not likely to reassure the rest of the world that the U.S. is going to cease having an insane foreign policy; is likely to put Russia on an even more nervous hair trigger than they are now.

The major problem with Obama and his advisiors is they are ACADEMICS who have lived the life of privilege out of touch with the real world --- Better educated and smarter than Bush's gang --- they are still likely to do just as badly at running the government --- for the same reason: OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY ... i.e. insane....people doing insane things.

4. Are we likely to get GOOD CHANGES in: appointing competent qualified people to run the government; instead of cronyism, or good changes that get rid of fraud, payoffs, and corruption in government?
Answer: No.

Because: Obama's friend Rezko was part and parcel of the mafia connected, corrupt, Daley Chicago political machine. Rezko was Obama's chief fundraiser from the beginning of his career in Illinois politics to his election to the U.S. Senate. There is very little coverage of the Obama Rezko/Daley corruption connections on National TV, but the local Chicago papers have a lot of info going back several years ... & it don't look good for Obama. He got IN with the Daley machine when his wife worked as an assistant to one of Daley's higher ups; Obama looks to be part and parcel of the same corrupt Daley political machine as his friend Rezko.

Some of the above is speculation based on facts.. What I KNOW Obama HAS ALREADY DONE makes all the above doubts and questions irrelevant in answering the question:

Is Obama qualified to be, or likely to be, a GOOD President?

Answer: NO. He has already done something so unconscionable, so dirty, so dangerous that no sane American would even consider voting for him. HE played the race card.

Those accusations of racism against the Clintons did not come from any public "Outcry" on the part of black people all over the country - those accusations of racism came solely and directly from the Obama Campaign. Obama was caught red-handed pushing those accusations to the press - in a 4-page Internal Campaign Memo - Listing those accusations & directing them to the press. The Huffington Post obtained a copy & published it on the web.

Shortly thereafter, during one of the debates, Tim Russert (MSNBC) ..... while rustling a copy of the 4-page Memo in his hand .... asked Obama .... your campaign has been pushing accusations of racism to the press (rustles pages) .... in a 4-page campaign memo .... what do you have to say about that?

Obama mumbled a few sentences ....( people in both campaigns get carried away and say things they shouldn't have said ... blah..blah) .... and .... then MSNBC/ the mainstream media .... NEVER MENTIONED IT AGAIN!.

Instead, MSNBC/NBC/CBS and all the rest of the mainstream CORPORATE-CONTROLLED media just went right on endlessly PUSHING the SAME totally ridiculous false accusations of "racism".

Obama made those accusations of racism .... in order to win the South Carolina primary. Obama has continued to make accusations of racism ... every time .... he falls behind in the polls. The question is: What USE of RACISM / inter-racial strife would he NOT stoop to IF elected President.

Which brings us to the Question: Is it likely Obama will TRANSCEND race... .Get Past the Politics of DIVISION;.. .....Unite this Country?

Given the DIVISION he has already created by making false accusations of racism - the answer is a resounding:
HELL NO!

Obama is the CORPORATE-CONTROLLED candidate being PUSHED by the CORPORATE-CONTROLLED Media.

Same Media that sold TOO MANY AMERICANS on Bush/Cheney. Same Media that SOLD U.S. a War.

Posted by: elme | Apr 8, 2008 9:13:27 PM

PB.... tell me, what did she do? you don't need to go into detail.... just give me the broad strokes! in her "35 years" what has she accomplished? i was at ground zero with the health care initiative. i can easily tell you what she did... to screw that up.

Considering i am the one who started that "what did she do..." string, my question was: "what has SHE done. we know it wasn't ANYTHING in bosnia. it was all done and "in the can" for a couple of years by the time she showed up. we know it wasn't Ireland Peace Plan (no need to go into detail on that one i suppose. just ask senator george mitchell), we know it was nothing more than maybe "pillow talk" with the children's health care plan (ask senators hatch and kennedy... Bill wouldn't even sign it)... we know it wasn't speaking up against the stupid stupid war!

what was it that SHE did? not something that someone else did that she made sure HER name was on it.

i mean, when you think of it, she didn't even write her own book (It Takes A Village). It was written by a ghost writer.

i am open. i really am. i really want to know what it is that this person has accomplished in those 35 years! 35 years is a long long time to be doing one thing (public serivce). what did she do with those 35 years?


Posted by: drzoon | Apr 7, 2008 9:42:05 PM

PB.... tell me, what did she do? you don't need to go into detail.... just give me the broad strokes! in her "35 years" what has she accomplished? i was at ground zero with the health care initiative. i can easily tell you what she did... to screw that up.

Considering i am the one who started that "what did she do..." string, my question was: "what has SHE done. we know it wasn't ANYTHING in bosnia. it was all done and "in the can" for a couple of years by the time she showed up. we know it wasn't Ireland Peace Plan (no need to go into detail on that one i suppose. just ask senator george mitchell), we know it was nothing more than maybe "pillow talk" with the children's health care plan (ask senators hatch and kennedy... Bill wouldn't even sign it)... we know it wasn't speaking up against the stupid stupid war!

what was it that SHE did? not something that someone else did that she made sure HER name was on it.


Posted by: drzoon | Apr 7, 2008 9:39:59 PM

ohionative: i have been dying to find someone from that place! do you know that Ohio is seen as pretty much the "political screwups" of this country? you guys zig when you should zag! example: you will BELIEVE Hilary when she says she was "against" NAFTA... AND... believe her when she says Barack is FOR it!

you've pulled this crap every election cycle... and because of your horrible judgment, we have had a string of LOSERS!

when this is over.... i really have to think about going to Ohio and selling some bridges!

Posted by: drzoon | Apr 7, 2008 9:29:44 PM

mike moody: get a job. you have way way too much time on your hands. Barack isn't going to sell us down the river to Africa! my god man... where were you when Bill Clinton was selling us down the river to China? (on the behalf of Wal-Mart of course!)

what is it that just scares people about a black man?

Posted by: drzoon | Apr 7, 2008 9:22:09 PM

Hillary has surpassed all measures of deceptions and political trickery for a candidate to a public office, let alone the presidency!! What is interesting about her die heart supporters is that all of this evil is OK with them and is part of the war to get elected. What this shows is hatred for this country pure and simple; hatred for democracy, and for decent values in the political system of government and a blatant enforcement of Machiavellian system that puts this country at the doorstep of Nazism. Yes, Randell is that kind of person and is willing to destroy this country for this political agenda.

Posted by: Jan E | Apr 6, 2008 1:52:04 PM

I was very impressed by Governor Rendell's comments. He made a lot of sense. The fact is that Barack Obama is a well packaged liberal candidate about which people know nothing. He speaks only in generalities and everything he does is calculated not to offend, but nothing he does tells you where he stand or what you are actually voting for in the election.

I am more concerned about Barack Obama than I have been about any candidate for federal office than I have in a very long time because he is openly deceptive about where he stands. I think he will place certain things first, and we will only learn what those things that are near and dear to Barack Obama's heart after the election. He will not be a President to place America first. He will place Africa First. That is the missionary emphasis of the church of Jeremiah Wright. There is a lot of emphasis about Reverend Writght, but I think it is important to note what the teaching of the church are about the kind of works that Americans should do. No one is asking Barack Obama these questions.

Finally, I want to make one predicition about the Presidency of Barack Obam. Senator Obama has gone at great lengths recently to repudiate the words of Jeremiah Wright. But I predict that Jeremiah Wright, the man who is recorded as saying "God damn you, America", will be the one person Barack Obama will choose to administer the Oath of Office. That will be the first clue to Americans that will tell them what kind of President they have elected. But by then, though they will know they have chosen a deceiver for President, it will be too late. But don't go by what Mike Moody says. Ask Barack Obama a straight out question. Who will you choose to administer the Oath of Office to you when you are publicly sworn into office as President of the United States.

Posted by: Mike Moody | Apr 5, 2008 9:53:34 AM

Isn't it ironic that Obama can tout his anti-war speech that he made while still a state senator, but he can't produce any personal papers, daily schedules, et al to get a sense of his background??

And the worst of it is his, my dog ate my homework excuse, saying that they must have gotten thrown out or put in storage.

So, which is it? There's a good reason we don't know enough about Barack Obama, but he's been pretty busy making sure that all of the data known to man gets released about Hillary. Now that the taxes have been released, I'd like to see the press put the heat on Obama to produce his personal papers while in the State Senate.

Isn't it common procedure and protocol to maintain such records as a public figure?

I guess the fewer records the less likely more embarrassing information will surface.

Just another fine example of the double standard for the two candidates running for the democratic nomination.

Posted by: OhioNative | Apr 5, 2008 3:51:22 AM

The Hillary haters just crack me up! I read comments that say Hillary has not accomplished anything in the Senate. That could be farther from the truth! If you people did your research instead of acting like you know what you are talking about, you would find out that Hillary has gotten several things done as a Senator from New York. You Hillary haters just don't want to know the real facts, thats all. I have family that live in Pennsylvania, and they like Gov. Ed Rendell. sc, yes he has a day job, its called the Governor of Pennsylvania.

Posted by: PB | Apr 5, 2008 1:28:28 AM

". . . I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Rendell said.

Only 50% that is not known about Obama? That seems low.

Posted by: Toby | Apr 4, 2008 8:50:19 PM

Ed Rendell got to be a Mr. Head or worst. What a man saying such a thing about his own party. He must be a Republican. He's been talking a lot of crap lately. Desperation or he's just an idiot. I wonder what Hilary promise him..... Man they are just so hateful now the true colors coming out. Destroying the Dem. party very slowly.

Posted by: Dell54 | Apr 4, 2008 5:45:24 PM

Obama did five hours of work for Rezko. He did accept campaign donations from Tony Rezko, over $120,000 of which he subsequently donated to charity. The purchase of the property adjoining his home with Rezko's help was stupid. He should sell it. If he does, there's nothing to talk about.

The other candidates are no cleaner in this respect. John McCain was deeply involved with the Keating 5. Hillary Clinton took $850k from Norman Hsu, most of which she kept.

The main difference is that most Americans are accustomed to being lied to by Clintons and they don't realize how often John McCain lies. They don't know Barack Obama as well, so every story comes as a shock. I sometimes fear his arrogance will get the better of him. I hope his intelligence and his authentic desire to help our country trump that.

Posted by: Danielle | Apr 4, 2008 3:08:40 PM

He stayed at the church for the reason most people stay at their churches- because they believe in God and Jesus and want to learn the lessons of Christianity. Until you've watched the other videos and truly given Wright the benefit of the doubt, you have not right to judge Obama.

Posted by: Didi | Apr 4, 2008 2:54:46 PM


Unfortunately america will deserve the president that is elected.

Posted by: Kim | Apr 4, 2008 2:27:02 PM

Whoops! They're baaaaack. Funny thing is they ask for evidence, you give it to em', then they say it doesn't mean anything.

Truth is, they don't want to look at facts, make an informed decision, admit that their candidate may not be ready, or worse yet, have to realize that Barack is a FRAUD who is simply not electable.

I have seen this pattern by the Obama supporters for quite some time now and have come to realize that their main objective is to derail the talking points. This is how they try to keep the truth from being told. Ed Rendell is spot on about Obama. No one knows a thing about this guy. What little we do know is either uneventful or downright creepy.

Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | Apr 4, 2008 1:33:02 PM

Anna in LA,

sorry you didn't like the popcorn. I'll put butter on it next time. So with all of Hillarys accomplishments how is it she can't even run her own campaign. That says a lot about her. Having "accomplishments" does not mean that she can run this country.

Posted by: lisa | Apr 4, 2008 1:18:33 PM

didn't like the message?

Posted by: John | Apr 4, 2008 1:09:55 PM

It's interesting that Rendell, as a Clinton supporter, receives the disparaging term of chief surrogate. In McCain speak: Surrogate, when designated as a pejorative for one individual, could also be extended to the individuals comprising the collective group. Have a nice day.

Posted by: katrina | Apr 4, 2008 1:04:59 PM

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