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I think this is substantively worse than the original NAFTA story. I didn't see a problem with the Clinton and/or Obama camps talking to the Canadian government officials about NAFTA. GOOD get an early start on building relationships which will make your administration stable. For me, there is no trouble in talking to foreign governments.

Here, you have someone using the loss of jobs as a reason to support her candidacy even when the loss of jobs is a partial consequence of Bill Clinton's inaction. Instead of being upfront about the connection, Hillary is using Bush's behavior as a cover for Bill's.

Fess up.

I would say this is serious in the kind of assertion she is making and what she refuses to actually tell. Military hardware for free trade purposes mixed in with American economic hardship. I believe national defense fundamentally needs to remain non partisan. If we can't construct our weapons without relying on nonAmerican companies, where is our national security?

Completely vetted? Ugh.

When Bill Clinton came to the White House in1993, Democrats were a congressional majority, with 258 seats in the House. When he left in 2001, they were a minority with 46 fewer seats. There were 30 Democratic governors, when he arrived, 21 eight years later.

A recent ABC News/Washington Post poll found nearly 60 percent of voters think Clinton is dishonest and will lie when she thinks she needs to.

Hillary Clinton wasn't the president. She is not responsible for mistake her husband made.

Posted by: A reader in Georgia
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That's funny! She wants to take credit for the good that Bill did but had nothing to do with the bad. GIVE ME A BREAK

KEEP THE CLINTONS OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE

When Bill Clinton came to the White House in1993, Democrats were a congressional majority, with 258 seats in the House. When he left in 2001, they were a minority with 46 fewer seats. There were 30 Democratic governors, when he arrived, 21 eight years later.
A recent ABC News/Washington Post poll found nearly 60 percent of voters think Clinton is dishonest and will lie when she thinks she needs to.

Hillary is a compulsive, and fairly good, liar. Obama has questionable loyalties.

That leaves McCain - who might as well be a Democrat....

Lousy choices this year but I'm going with McCain.

Caught again in an apparent lie....
par for the course when a Clinton is
involved. "I never liked NAFTA once,
not ever......I never endorsed that
vile act...." How long will we let
these mendacious blatherskites continue
their political careers. It seems that
the answer is FOREVER.

Hopesprings: First, the Magnequench Anderson plant was not closed down under Bush, it was closed down under Clinton.

Second, this is only one story. Clinton also sent Bernard Schwartz, CEO of Loral, which builds aerospace equipment to China with Ron Brown, his Secretary of Commerce in 1994. Bernard Schwartz is a major Clinton contributor ($750K to the library) alone. His company was also fined $14 Million dollars for selling satellite secrets to the Chinese.

There is no excuse. The Clintons were involved and now they are, again, lying about lying.

Doesn't matter Clinton supporters. You can cry all damn day it wasn't here. Remember, guilt by ASSOCIATION! See, two can play at that game. Game, set, match.

Besides, she NEVER should have lied about her support and push for it. Maybe she forgot there is video footage of her at various functions talking up the "good" of NAFTA.

Guilt by association. Of course she is already gulity b/c look at all the dirt surrounding BOTH Clinton's. It is high time the media starts to FOCUS ON HER AGAIN!!!

Hillary wasn't telling a fib; NAFTA IS the baby of BUSH... George the first!
You should do your homework before calling people liars.

Clinton did the best he could by editing the package as much as he could with a republican congress..... but all that's actually HIS is his signature.

So you get to go to the back of the class.

And I get to vote for HILLARY!

If Bush's Admin. had followed the laws set in place to protect the US and had enforced them we all wouldn't be in this mess. You can't blame Bush's short comings on Clinton

The "it was her husband, not her" defense is completely off-point. Folks, we're not blaming Hillary for closing down this business. We're blaming Hillary for telling a lie once again when she blamed the whole thing on George Bush.

Any other topic posted on here is just a distraction. She said something, it wasn't true, she got caught, and it's not the first time. That's the irrefutable fact of this story.

Got another theory? Sleep deprivation? Memory Loss? Alien Abduction? Let's hear it, but stop trying to cover up her blatant lies.

The Clintons love this tactic. They lie in a speech, everyone at the speech takes it as truth and between their word of mouth and the local media, it becomes a wide-spread "truthiness". Then, when the truth comes out, they just cross their fingers that a lot of the folks that heard the lie don't end up hearing the truth.

Simple. If more people only hear the Clinton lie than the number who eventually hear the truth, then they win. Sure, cumulatively it gives her bad "trust" numbers, but if it bumps her over 50% in the vote, who cares, right?

Disgusting...

Word is the supers have already decided but are waiting for the primaries to be over before they announce. Should be interesting.

the sad thing is, with obama, he told us to expect something different from him, and so many many people have believed him-and now he has proven that to be untrue. and sadly he has shown us
that very quickly if need be he can become the politician he wants us to believe he is replacing..

same old,same old

It really doesn't matter what any of us think about this...but, I guarantee you that the Super Delegates will be watching this unfold.

The Clintons may fool some of us, but, not those who are in the know in Washington.

OBAMA/WEBB '08 & '12

The trouble is, this is what is expected of Hillary, so big deal. It has become the norm that our politician should lie, and cheat, some how this make one "testicular".

When I think of that term I think of men who beat their girlfriends. I think of congress who spends time and my money on a bunch of jocks who use steroids. Anything to take away the focus at how inept they are.

Same old, same old.

All the agreements and sales permitted by the Clinton Administration were based on the assumption that following administrations would do due diligence in enforcing and regulating. The Bush Administration gave away the candy shop to make mad money for the members of its Pioneer Club corporate money boys. Anybody can see that the Bush Administration sat on its hands while corporate interests plundered this nation over the last 7-8 years. Lack of enforcement and follow through will turn any good agreement into a one-sided travesty!

I think the best advice for the voters of Indian is to listen to the sage advice of the former president William J Clinton - Bill said - if one candidate is playing to your fears and the other to your hopes, vote hope every time...

So when McCain runs ads about 3AM phone calls, ads with Usama, and talks about nuking Iran... oh wait, those are Hillary's tactics. Thanks for the advice Bill.

When the time comes, most Clinton voters will get in line and vote for Obama. Hillary will stump for him while working behind the scenes against him as she has her eyes set on the 2012 race. Hillary has reached the zenith of her career - she was the wife of a president and she is a say anything do anything senator from NY in the style of her predecessor Al D'Amato (Senator Pothole).

Hillary supporters need to start coming to grips with her failed campaign and move on. She lost. Its over. The fat lady has sung and she's singing Changes by David Bowie.

But these things are minor when compared with the breathless outrage of Rev. Wright's "racist" rants. That's really important to voters...

Obama, who COULDN'T have voted for it swears he WOULDN'T have voted for it... possibly because he hadn't been fed the (mis)information provided by Bush during a time in which New York had just been attacked by terrorists!

And if you're going to blame her for "umbrellas"... get it right!

It was an "Umbrella of Deterrence" and was meant as a warning to certain mid-east countries to keep their nuclear crap in their own back yards.

It could prove to be a valuable idea!

At least it WAS an idea; this was generated during the last debate during which Obama was to busy searching for his words to try to come up with anything new!

And, I notice, he's never commented one way or another about it.

I like a person who can think on his/her feet, and who can come up with viable effective solutions.

That's why I will be voting for Hillary... or John Mccain if necessary.

finally ABC is reporting on the clinton's lies--just ask george he will give you plenty of dirt!!

@just my observation
are you serious?
the first site you gave us was steven reynolds trying to make a name for himself-and you fell for it.
(this has NOTHING to do with sen. clinton)
and it does not relate to obama/wright
first of all it was former pastor of sen. clinton-more than 8years?\
rev. wright just became obama' former pastor-a few months ago-and it was not because obama left him-the man retired.
and obama did not even announce him as his former pastor until the neg press can out. and then the word former was used.
these preachers didn't marry the clintons didn't baptise their child
and the last 3 links were of the same story.
but you put listed them to make it look as if you had some REAL DIRT
let me ask you do you mind if we pick the next president on how well they plan to deal with the issues that face use today?
if you did not like it because obama was getting bad press for wright.
the answer is not to -well, lets go and see if we can cook up a sen. clinton pastor problem
when sen. clintons pastor comes out and says god dam american
and say black people are the cause of 911
then we can deal
but until then-stay on the issues

Senator Hillary Clinton should not be held responsible for every action of the Clinton Adm. She definitely was against NAFTA.
If voters believe this, they should also believe that Obama was responsible for Rev. Wright's performances and hate preaching, Bill Ayers terrorist bombings and Tony Resko's defrauding $100 million of other people's money simple because of the close association. Both candidates should be judged fairly.
If one more voter or super delegates chooses Obama, this country is indeed in trouble. Clinton for President.

john; nobody is debating your reaction. as a hillary supporter i agree with you on the issue of double standards. that is what we have been arguing ABOUT since the beginning of this campaign. NO DOUBLE STANDARDS PLEASE! state the facts, proof, citations, sources cited versus hysteria and insults. i agree with you also on your position that if hillary wants to take the credit for her husbands administration she also needs to take the heat.

Who the hell cares about who Hillary would date? Is that news?
She would lie about that too.

jgaw: what media world are you living in, especially as you post on an abc news site. Hillary is the one who constantly talks about her experience in her husband's administration as being relevant and then cherry picks which experiences are now appropriate to discuss. It was ABC that did the hatchet job on Obama in the last debate with Clinton's former employee as the moderator. It was Obama who says that Rev Wright is an appropriate issue for discussion and then addresses the issue head-on. Clinton is now going on about this terrible specific job loss in Indiana when it was directly attributable to her husband administration. She can say that she wouldn't have done it but to pretend that it didn't happen that way is another Bosnia misstep. Clinton really will say and do anything, she lies constantly and has absolutely no integrity. Even The New York Times has turned against her vacuous deceitful politics. I'm sorry but there isn't enough estrogen in the world that could make Hillary seem like an honest person, she is morally bankrupt.

Is It Hillary's Turn to 'Denounce and Reject' a Problematic Pastor?

Hmmmmm, I wonder why none of these reports have surfaced on ABC, NBC, CNN, and CBS?

I am not sure who knew what and when:

See this excerpt:

"Magnequench began its corporate life back in 1986 as a subsidiary of General Motors. Using Pentagon grants, GM had developed a new kind of permanent magnet material in the early 1980s. It began manufacturing the magnets in 1987 at the Magnequench factory in Anderson, Indiana.

In 1995, Magnequench was purchased from GM by Sextant Group, an investment company headed by Archibald Cox, Jr-the son of the Watergate prosecutor. After the takeover, Cox was named CEO. What few knew at the time was that Sextant was largely a front for two Chinese companies, San Huan New Material and the China National Non-Ferrous Metals Import and Export Corporation. Both of these companies have close ties to the Chinese government. Indeed, the ties were so intimate that the heads of both companies were in-laws of the late Chinese premier Deng Xiaopeng.

At the time of the takeover, Cox pledged to the workers that Magnequench was in it for the long haul, intending to invest money in the plants and committed to keeping the production line going for at least a decade.

Three years later Cox shut down the Anderson plant and shipped its assembly line to China. Now Cox is presiding over the closure of Magnequench's last factory in the US, the Valparaiso, Indiana plant that manufactures the magnets for the JDAM bomb. Most of the workers have already been fired."

Read the article in toto and see where Bush 2 could really have stopped this and chose to do nothing:

to undesrstand nafta one has to approach it from a historical perspective-the economy then versus the conomic crisis of today. then; clinton led the county in unprecedented economic expansion and prosperity. clinton believed that nafta and trade relations in general would lead to democratization, improved relations with other countries, and improved human rights (think china). this was a massive undertaking into un- charters waters. does it need to improve absolutely. but at least clinton employed trade policy approaches to improve internnational relations instead of bombing other nations into submission like our president administration.

I wonder when will reporters start doing their jobs and reporting real things that concern us today and over the next four years.
Sen. clinton is NOT responsible for the decisions her husbands adm made. when she was first lady, all right minded reporters and everyone else knows that it was her job as first lady to support and do what she could to help.
if sen. clinton was against nafta during her husbands term-(as david gergen said) it would have been proper for her to not make that public.
I wonder if Laura Bush REALLY supported w going to war? If she did not-she better had not said it. I can remember someone trying to get her to get to say and she did not.
fastforward-Sen. Clinton is now running for president-and it is her place to let it be known what her policies would be. (now we already know she and bill do not agree on the columbian trade agreement-so what) do we all think we are so close to the clintons that we should know everytime they agree or disagree about public policies?
once again she is not running for first lady of a past presidency.
she is running for president now.
you reporters stop cherry picking things from the past to report about.
and bill clintons administration is the past.
if she claims any of the successes of bill' administration-you jump her for that (nevermind she is still a citizen-who can say what she liked or didn't like about the Bill Clinton Years)
and
If she is trying to make her present stand known-you jump her for that-and go back and YOU can pick from bills administration- (but you only pick the negative-to tie to her)
you never tie any of the good that happened in his adm to her today.

no what I believe you are doing today
is trying to find the most sensational headline you can give-(always something)
negative) to help quiet the obama/wright fiasco.

and we can always count on you to try and give us something negative about Sen. Clinton.
noway would you let obama get all of this negative press. and not put something negative out there about sen.clinton.
when it is good for obama-it is 24/7 good press
when it is bad for obama-it is get rid of it as soon as possible-and lets get some negative up there about sen. clinton.

so-sen. clinton-having the media spin as much as they can about her in the negative..

what' new?

Rumor has it, that Rev. Wright and his body guards are on Hillary’s payroll. Months ago, Hillary was looking for a few hired guns and she found them. Just last week, witnesses shared that James Carville was seen passing, what appeared to be, an envelope filled with $100 bills to Rev. Wright. Cash under the table???? The meeting was held in a local diner a couple of days before Rev. Wright was to meet with Bill Moyer. Two questions: 1) why would Rev. Wright meet with James Carville who is a member of Hillary Clinton’s posse? 2) why does a preacher need body guards?

I thought a lot of this was rather strange, but then I noticed that Rev. Wright has been in rare form lately…making more appearances then usual, hooping and hollering like some egotistical maniac. And Hillary? Wow…it seems as though she sort of just sat in the corner and watched it all. Noticed how she hasn’t said anything worth mentioning, but managed to pick up a few key endorsements for the next primary states.

Like a big cat stalking it’s prey, Hillary suddenly pounces, joining the ranks of Obama and McCain, along with half the nation, in denouncing Rev. Wright’s remarks. Hey, Hillary…welcome to the parade, but aren’t you a little late? Hmmmm, I wonder why? Hint. Hint. But we all understand, it the right thing to do, politically speaking.

As May 6 approaches, Rev Wright’s comments and appearances will intensify. Obama will look bad, voters will loose trust, and Hillary will come out smelling like roses. In addition, Rev Wright is making all of the church leaders and preachers of all RACES look really, really bad. Now that’s sad!!!!

More excuses for Hillary's unethical behavior. Why can't she or her husband ever just tell the truth? The American people are tired of being governed by power hungry leaders who don't care about them.

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We are living and working in Kenya for almost twelve years now and know his family (tribe) well. They are the ones who were behind the recent Presidential election chaos here.

Thousands of people have been displaced by election violence (over 350,000) and I don’t know the last count of the dead.

Obama under “friends of Obama” gave almost a million dollars to the opposition campaign who just happened to be his cousin, Raila Odinga, who is a socialist trained in East Germany. He has been trying to bring Kenya down for years and the last president threw him in prison for trying to subvert this country!

Forget the world of the last decade; we have to deal with the world of today!

We have to protect the world of tomorrow.

PLEASE READ THIS!!!!!

Typical Clinton--lying through her teeth again and having a convenient memory loss regarding her and Bill in The White House the first time--She is a FRAUD!!!!!

She back these (mistakes) as you put it. NOW different story ,lying out of both sides of her mouth.First she takes credit and now the voters don't want this so she was against it...She is a PATHOLOGICAL liar.....

Hillary had a hand in everything that was good
about the 90's. She disagrees and distances herself
from everything that was wrong during Bill's time in the White House.

Pathetic.

hey i support hillary, absolutely. however unlike obama supporters i want to know the truth-even if the outcome is not favorable or in conflict with my candidate. the fact is nafta worked for some (mostly the corporations) but it did not work for all. i do agree with hilllary's stated postion that she intends as president to make changes to nafta and i believe that she will. unlike obama who also committed to changes and then his staff (behind our back) informed canada that obama's 'changes' wink, wink were merely political posturing. so i will settle for my candidates statement that nafta needs to change-versus obama who only made that commitment to appeal to blue collar voters. i believe that nafta has had disastrous effects overall-i think most of us agree with that. the real focus should be, what are we going to do about it? incidentally ralph nader warned us about nafta and the consequences to american labor. REMEMBER?

Why don't you check out Hillary's connections to Women's Voices for Women's Vote? They have been making robo calls to the preceding primary states using the name "Lamont Williams." Now, they are doing it in North Carolina. It is called voter fraud.

Maggie Williams is on the board. And, other Hillary supporters.
Laws have been broken.

Didn't Bill Clinton let Osama Bin Laden get away while he was dealing with his impeachment? Soon after his wife votes to send us to a unjust war where BIN LADEN IS NOT AT! When will the media talk about that?

After reading the story, it appears that the Clinton Administration approved the Magnequench sale to Chinese interests with the provision that "the technology and production remain in the U.S." Clearly it wasn't until after Bush came into power this company and all others that make these magnets shipped their plants overseas. I feel that as in NAFTA, the initial moves by the Clinton Administration were sound, but during the Bush Administration any opening was used to ship jobs overseas. When the Clinton Administration was advancing NAFTA and allowing this sale who could have foreseen the horrible way Bush and his greedheads would twist them against the best interests of America and its people.

doublestandard-
Which has a greater impact, an eight year-old Obama living thousands of miles away from William Ayers in the 60's or Hillary Clinton threatening to obliterate Iran under some new-found "umbrella of Israeli protection"? Now, which of those two "stories" has received more media attention?

Finally the media is focusing on a real issue.

Thank you for reporting Hillary and Evan Bayh intentionally lied.

Super delegates knew about this story 2 weeks ago, that is why they have steadily moved toward Obama.

Of course she forgets the part of the story where her husband was knee deep in this. Then she tries to blame Bush.

But she never forgets to ask people if they remember the surplus. She'll take credit for that, but not the bad stuff. What a fraud!!!

Oh yeah, how 'bout the supposed non-profit non-partisan women's group making robocalls to NC giving out false voters registration info? How are you non-partisan if your leadership is contributing to Clinton's campaign???

crisis08-
She sure doesn't shy away from taking the credit for any of the achievements of Bill Clinton's presidency. If she wants to bask in his achievements, then she also must wallow in his mud.

You can't POSSIBLY compare something like this to the HUGE and DANGEROUS lies of Obama? Obama is associated with terrorist Ayers? Obama associated with antiamerican, racist, Wright and Farrakhan? Which do you suppose has more a threat on our national security, innocent comments about Bosnia, or Obama's association with a terrorist? If you can't see Obama's danger to the American people, you must be absolutely blind. Wake up already.

Reader in Georgia,

That's true.
Thanks

Jack,

You counts how many bodyguards were dead on Clintons administration?
Why don't you count how many US Troop had died in Iraq.
Also make a list of Bush and Obama' friends who already died.
How many prisoners we have now all over the country.
How many drug dealers etc.

How long do you think it will take for Clinton supporters to some how blame Obama for this too? Or will they yet again bash him even though this tory is about the Clintons? The truth about the Clinton lies stare them in the face yet they can't wait to trash Obama. Why don't you Clinton supporter hold your candidate responsible for her lies?

Hillary Clinton wasn't the president. She is not responsible for mistake her husband made.

They already said it,even husband and wife have some disagreements.

Run Hillary supporters Run!

Run from THE TRUTH!

HRC continues to suffer from 'truth decay'.It doesn't matter. The Supers are still moving toward Obama and this race is STILL over. DO THE MATH!