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Irony, Thy Name Is Arianna

April 15, 2008 4:03 PM

How did an Obama supporter named Mayhill Fowler, writing for free of The Huffington Post -- a website the Clinton campaign, fairly or not, considers virulently pro-Obama (it's where 0bama first responded to the Rev. Wright controversy, in an exclusive posting) -- end up causing her chosen candidate untold grief by breaking the "bitter-cling" story?

Pajamas Media's Bill Bradley has an interesting look, "Deep Inside ‘Bittergate,'" which features an interview with the incomparable Arianna Huffington herself.

“It’s stunning,” Huffington tells Bradley, “the way the Clinton campaign has completely distorted the meaning of what he said. It’s stunning Hillary chose to confirm every right-wing demagogic characteristic about her own party.”

Worth a read.

- jpt

April 15, 2008 in 2008: Democrats | Permalink | User Comments (143)

User Comments

Hillary deserves some Dignity and credit.When her Husband was in office people had jobs,money,homes and they could send their kids to college,now what?
Obama is a nice guy too,but why didn't he go to an all Black college like I did?I spent four years of my life in one of the Nation's largest Black University and couldn't make a single friend !I could and had the money to go to an all White school,but I was feeling really sad for Blacks back in 1965...Later on for graduate studies I went to an all White school,then and there I found out about the Depth of Hatred between races and went to teach in Europe.Obama is a Nice person and both of them are fantastic candidates,they should stop attacking each other by ads,verbally and during debates,istead they should talk about their plans for our future,our economy,our kids and of America.PHD/U Teacher

Posted by: Ellie Herri | Apr 23, 2008 5:34:15 PM

If I were a conservative, I'd be scared of Obama too. And I'd probably use slander or personal attacks or fabricated stories to try and stop him.

Posted by: snesich | Apr 18, 2008 4:14:51 AM

Obama condemns Carter with meeting with the leaders of Hamas; the same group that is calling voters in the U.S. to vote for Barack. Interesting isn't it.

Posted by: Russ | Apr 17, 2008 6:02:30 PM


Don’t forget the comments Obama made on April 6th at a private fundraiser in San Francisco. There, the freshman Illinois senator, opining about people in small towns where the jobs have fled, said: “They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

“This is elitist behavior by Senator Obama,” says Schmidt (reporter). “The condescension Obama shows toward the values of people who are the backbone of America is very clear.”

Those few words, transcribed from a more than 45-minute recording of Obama, buried in the midst of a very ruminative, rather personally-oriented piece Mayhill Fowler, an activist blogger who supports Obama and contributed the maximum allowable $2,300 to his presidential campaign, kicked off a media firestorm.

“We recognized it was a politically volatile story and thought it would create news,” says Marc Cooper, editorial coordinator of Huffington Post’s “Off The Bus” project for “citizen journalists” such as Fowler. “We had no idea that the controversy would reach this magnitude.”

I GUESS THEY HAD NO IDEA SMALL-TOWN AMERICANS REALLY CARE ABOUT OUR BELIEFS, OUR COUNTRY AND OUR RIGHTS AS AMERICAN CITIZENS!

NO OBAMA --- GO HILLARY!

Posted by: concerned | Apr 17, 2008 1:25:51 PM

Obama’s associations with Farrahkan, Wright, Ayers and Refko should be fully vetted. Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers in the 1990’s, the Woods Foundation, which was a paid, underlined PAID directorship position. They worked together, attended fundraisers together, Ayers held fundraisers and was a contributor to Obama’s Chicago’s campaign, plus they are neighbors and visited each other quite often. Enough said. This relationship deserves being vetted. What’s the fear?
DON’T FORGET THESE PEOPLE: Wright, Ayers, Sinclair, Farrakhan, the Black Panthers, Rezko, Meeks, Malley, Auchi, Khalidi, McPeaks, Michelle Obama.

Imagine OBAMA and ALL these friends, associates, endorsers, etc., having a Pres.-Elect party?

After a few --- Wright could get up and give another, 'HATE WHITEY AMERICA!', speech...while Rezko`s trying to sell the White House to the Russians...before Lewis Ayers gets a chance to full-fill his life-long dream of blowing it up...meanwhile, BO and Sinclair renew some bad habits together...as Michele likes to watch...would be quite a party...anyone for crashing it...and you thought the Clintons were bad in the White House...

I’d much rather have the Clintons there. Maybe - and that’s a HUGE maybe - involved in a scandal which doesn’t affect the American people --- this is why the media ignores this garbage for what it is and will continue to ignore it as old news. Without the media, Obama can’t use it effectively enough to beat her...which makes her far more electable.

Meanwhile, Hillary’s policies could have us in prosperous times --- compare that to BO and Friends...who, quite frankly, may be dangerous to the American people.

McCain’s going to wipe the floor with Obama!

They’ll rip him apart, along with each and every one of those “PEOPLE/GROUPS MENTIONED ABOVE”!!!

Posted by: MYCOUNTRY | Apr 17, 2008 9:37:26 AM

Interesting story about the story....Is it true Obama initially lied and denied he made these comments?

I have also heard it said that the comments Obama made about people in small town clinging to religion was nothing more than a restatement of Karl Marx's view that religion is the "opiate of the masses."


More Marxism than elitism....after all Marx and Malcolm X were Obama's heros.

Posted by: Jackie | Apr 17, 2008 4:18:18 AM

"folks-- please DO NOT put AYERS in the backburner"

Funny thing: Ayers, unlike Dohrn and others, didn't GO to jail. Wonder how THAT came about? Just the fact that Ayers (and many other Weather-peoploe) was a rich kid, or something more?

Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 16, 2008 3:39:09 PM

"Obama on Wednesday criticized former President Jimmy Carter for meeting with leaders of the Islamic terrorist group Hamas as he tried to reassure Jewish voters that his candidacy isn't a threat to them or U.S. support for Israel." -- Associated Press, two hours ago

This might not sit so well with Obama's "leftist" supporters ...

Posted by: Adlai Stevenson | Apr 16, 2008 3:35:13 PM

We have the POWER NOW.... to elect who will have all the POWER....Looking at the 3 Candidates now... they surely do not represent the Best of Our Country---- but we are smart enought not to elect someone who has benefited from an ARMS DEALER, has ties to TERRORISTS ( folks-- please DO NOT put AYERS in the backburner ) and can not decide who's words are what--- even when they are his OWN.

Posted by: carpenter.nyc | Apr 16, 2008 3:32:09 PM

"I can't imagine this is how you want this blog to function."

It's a darn good thing there's still a media outlet that permits people who aren't part of the Obama cult to comment. "Democracy" -- remember it?

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | Apr 16, 2008 3:22:59 PM

Has this blog become nothing but a trash bin for the racist smear campaign dirt?

Please Jake and ABC, do something about this. I can't imagine this is how you want this blog to function.

Posted by: Catho | Apr 16, 2008 3:13:26 PM

Jake, where are you? Hopefully doing a good investigation story on Obama.

Posted by: cmd | Apr 16, 2008 3:09:10 PM

The Dems have fatally miscalculated. There are literally millions of Hillary supporters who will never vote for Barack Hussein Obama. They are fools and elitist fools at that.

Posted by: HoosierSue | Apr 16, 2008 3:07:01 PM

"geo. step. said ... some how we will come together."

Yeah, Democrats will come together for McKinney and Nader, if the Dems don't dump the "post-partisan" diversity duo and nominate John Edwards.

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | Apr 16, 2008 3:01:56 PM

geo. step. said he does not believe sen. clinton supporters will not vote for obama-said some how we will come together.

well newsflash

OBAMA WILL NEVER GET THIS BLACK PERSON' VOTE.

OBAMA WILL NOT BE PRESIDENT
HE IS NOT QUALIFIED AND HE IS A FAKE.

Posted by: Jgaw | Apr 16, 2008 2:48:42 PM

I can hear the robo calls now. What would you think if Senator Obama new a gay member of his church who ended-up being murdered and they have never solved the murder. It will not matter if it is not true, it will do the trick.

Posted by: wwt | Apr 16, 2008 2:47:14 PM

Read that at the Rezko Party--- (which Obama doesn't recall being) A TOAST was made to the guest of Honor--- Mr. Billionair--Terrorist Supporter---Auchi....lol

( I hear cases of Kristal opening and popping --- Woohoo.... this is the life )

Don't recall?.... Not sure which party everyone is blogging about?..... Which Rev. Wright's Statement is offensive?......Bitter?...... uh come on now..... Why does everyone get my Message wrong?.......

Maybe because finally you are using your own words ( words being so important to you ) and what they are saying is ---- YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING... YOU ARE A PRODUCT OF AXELROD AND WE ARE FINALLY OPENING THE PACKAGE .........

And what is left under the shroud placed by Axelrod----confusion, contradiction,arrogance and even hate.

Posted by: carpenter.nyc | Apr 16, 2008 2:45:45 PM

Wonder if something will break in the "debate" tonight -- or will it be the same constipated platitudes as usual?

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | Apr 16, 2008 2:34:39 PM

How is Arianna's Post going to handle with the Auchi-Connection?.....

"See no evil" and mindless cheerleading?

Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 16, 2008 2:28:25 PM


It's hard to see anything wrong with Obama's "Bitter" statement while you are sunning on a Yacht in Tahiti......

How is Arianna's Post going to handle with the Auchi-Connection?.....

( IRONY IS OBAMA --- opposing a War, but getting Financial Support from an Arms Dealer....lol ---- )

Posted by: carpenter.nyc | Apr 16, 2008 2:24:58 PM

"between Rev.Wright and Michelle he will never be president."

And Rezko et al. And the "gay" business.

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | Apr 16, 2008 2:09:26 PM

I have resigned myself to the fact he will most likely win the nomination. But between Rev.Wright and Michelle he will never be president. The left-wing-nuts can blame themselves.

Posted by: wwt | Apr 16, 2008 2:00:58 PM

"Gosh it is so true that Mr.and Mrs Obama are full of themsleves and want to fix others' broken souls."

Obama creeps me out, but MRS. Obama just makes me TIRED: people who DON'T make 400,000 a year at an office job would rather leave the "soul" stuff to the upper-income illuminati, and have some health care, plumbing, good food, Social Security and so on.

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | Apr 16, 2008 1:54:57 PM

It seems that the Obama's play the fear card a lot. For a campaign that is supposed to be about change and hope, I hear them mostly talk about division, fear and bitterness most of the time.

Posted by: cappamore | Apr 16, 2008 1:54:37 PM

I come across this AOL article about Michelle.

Gosh it is so true that Mr.and Mrs Obama are full of themsleves and want to fix others' broken souls.

Goggle article "Michelle Obama Fumbles on Defense"

Part of Michelle said:


"We live in isolation, and because of that isolation we fear one another.

Because Barack Obama is the only person in this race who understands that. That before we can work on the problems we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation.

Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual; uninvolved, uninformed."

Posted by: Victor | Apr 16, 2008 1:42:09 PM

spock,
If "Little Bush" was an A student it is because his daddy paid for it.
and at any rate
he gets an "F" for being POTUS

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 16, 2008 1:31:31 PM

The article by old Obama (Obama’ father), with a loaded term in the title and a casual discussion of socialism, communism and nationalization,,,,,,, OMG ……… BARACK OBAMA HID HIS FATHER'S SOCIALIST AND ANTI-WESTERN CONVICTIONS FROM HIS READERS. Google it as read in capital above, and you will find out this fits in with the statement Obama made about people in small town clinging to religion. That was nothing more than a restatement of Karl Marx's view that religion is the "opiate of the masses." The mask is coming off Obama and it's about time!

Posted by: Linda | Apr 16, 2008 1:20:33 PM

FYI We now know because of Obama and Reid and Kerry - That Americans are Stingy, Stinky, Clingy, Racists, Religious nuts, unproud, and from Kerry dumb if your in the Military!!

I think the three were really talking about themselves and other Elitists!!

Is there any non-corrupt Liberal Politicians out there??

Posted by: spock | Apr 16, 2008 1:15:02 PM

jgaw - FYI - President Bush was an A student 3.8 GPA, see how you libs believe lies.

Obama and Hilary are identical except that Obama is better at lying to the American People, the libs know what he is which is a Hate America and White People groupie!!

If Obama collected Food Stamps then he and his mother lied to get them, since he was wealthy.

Oh and by the way because you grew up poor and became rich does not mean you can not be an elitist anyhow!!

Why has he not donated more money to the poor? why did he get earmarks for his wife to get a raise!!

As Obama ever spoken the truth? yes when he was pushing his socialistic agenda to his elitist billionaire friend where he thought he would not be heard outside!!

He is a George Soros Puppet!!!!

Posted by: spock | Apr 16, 2008 1:11:37 PM

In Puerto Rico, a bombshell fell on Barack Obama. This “bomb” goes by the name of Larry Sinclair and his allegations of homosexuality and cocaine use against Barack Hussein Obama, which happened to go ‘prime time’ throughout the Island.
Google it for more info as Obama’s Dubious Past Goes ‘Mainstream”

Posted by: Vickie | Apr 16, 2008 1:05:25 PM

"When I see the endorsements by many political has-beens, I know they are just hoping for a favor from Obama that they know they will not get from Clinton."

LOL!

Three more Pennsylvania newspapers ('has-beens'?) endorsed Obama today. Today as well he'll add 3 more SuperDelegates to his support. An American icon, who's still and rightly so VERY popular in PA, Bruce Springsteen, just endorsed Obama. In the meantime, check what ABC's new poll tells us about Hillary's further fall from grace...

Stop fooling yourself, please. Things have never looked worse for Hillary than at this stage of the nomination race.

She's so unpopular with a large majority of Americans, the ABC poll tells us, that she is the TOTALLY UNELECTABLE candidate from now on.

Posted by: gregory | Apr 16, 2008 12:33:52 PM

hmmmmm...I don't know too many single moms that can afford prep schools for their children throughout their developmental years. Outrageous ! This man has not LIVED poverty !

Posted by: catherine in nm | Apr 16, 2008 12:29:30 PM

"his new thing is he grew up on food stamps under a single mother"

This is the campaign's most obnoxious -- and heartless, aimed as it is at the truly poor -- fairy tale.

Posted by: Adlai Stevenson | Apr 16, 2008 11:53:51 AM

10:30 AM Central time

Just checked a comphrensive list of political pools and Senator Clinton is ahead in PA by as much as 20 points and ahead in 20 out of 26 other states. Maybe the voters are beginnig to know the real Senator Obama. When I see the endorsements by many political has-beens, I know they are just hoping for a favor from Obama that they know they will not get from Clinton. Clinton is more honest,

Posted by: Mary | Apr 16, 2008 11:47:36 AM

well if it is all over for Sen. Clinton

It is a fact obama will not have won fair and square

It is a fact he is not as smart as sen. clinton

It is a fact all of these things and people in his history that people now have been sweeping under the rug-will come out

It is a fact he will not win the election

And it is certainly a Fact the american people will be chosing between two of the least qualified to lead this country and the world- and doing it for all the wrong reasons.

if george bush was a C student in college and cheney was beneath him
(well, you get my meaning)

Sen. Clinton is the smart one in the group-has all the facts and knows what to do to get this country back on track.

Sen. Clinton is the one the poor and working class people needed this time around.

She was right - "This is not a game"

obama or mccain as president...
and the rest of the world...cried.

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 16, 2008 11:29:38 AM

Interesting on the Immigran issue, No one I know is against Immigrant, they are against law breakers called ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! see the word Illegal, People are mad that the Government that the libs want to grow can not even do what it is only suppose to do under the Constitution, that is protect our Sovereignty!!

Posted by: spock | Apr 16, 2008 10:37:38 AM

Kept*

Posted by: Alex | Apr 16, 2008 10:33:13 AM

Yesterday I heard more solutions for the economy from John McCain than I've heard from Barack Obama. Obama didn't totally disappoint me, he keeped up his usual repertoire of attacking other people's solutions without offering any solutions of his own!

Posted by: Alex | Apr 16, 2008 10:28:26 AM

The attack machine for the libs that covers itself as saying its real journalism is complaining about a Supposed Republican attack machine.

Has Barack Hussein Obama told the truth at all, his new thing is he grew up on food stamps under a single mother, but yet when he was two his mother remarried, thus his mother was not married and how would they collect food stamps but yet got to private schools in
India and then Hawaii, where the stealing food stamps from the poor.

Obama is an Elitist, if not why would he have a closed door meeting with Billionaires and get caught talking about socialism?

We now also know his wife is a big racist by her Princeton term paper! That she was surprised other blacks in the college did not think poorly of whites!

I know this post will be removed because it brings up the truth about Obama, but we will give it a try!

Posted by: spock | Apr 16, 2008 9:50:59 AM

Jake Tapper:

Shakespear himself could not have phased it better! HoHoHo!

Posted by: Shakespear | Apr 16, 2008 9:39:52 AM

Obama '08=John Kerry '04

Posted by: We're making a mistake! | Apr 16, 2008 9:24:48 AM

Politicans are all the same(they say anything to win):

"Obama's 20 largest sources of money, grouped by employers, are executives from major corporations and law firms with a Washington lobbying presence — including Goldman Sachs, Citigroup and Google, according to the center. Clinton's and McCain's top donors include executives from some of the same companies, such as Goldman Sachs and Citigroup."

Posted by: John | Apr 16, 2008 7:30:45 AM

I like this Obama guy. He says what he means and tells the truth. People are angry, very angry. “They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy, to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” It's true! Admit it! You are pissed. I am pissed at the current government. This forum is proof. Are you blind? Republicans fear-mongers and truth-twisters will to ANYTHING to keep power in the hands of the rich and easily lobbied (including, yes, Hillary). We need change here people. If you can't handle the truth, then vote for your half-truth teller and see what you'll get. Obama does not play dirty political games. I will never vote for someone who puts down his/her opponent. It shows you are desperate and not up to par (Ms. Clinton whom I was actually planning to vote for.) Obama is the better candidate here. Plus, he is a guys who worked from nothing to get where he is, a working class man who "made it" on student loans and studying (not daddy's money and influence). How american is that for you? How can one deny this fact alone. Also, he knows what it is to be a minority. His backgound enables him to remember the poor and middle class when he takes decisions. All the other candidates are stinking rich. Who do you think they'll protect? And yes, because of all this, and so much more, he is above Hillary and McCain.

Posted by: JOHN LIKES THE TRUTH | Apr 16, 2008 3:35:57 AM

Just for a minute, can we leave the lionizing of the common man up to Larry the Cable Guy and the Ford Motor Company? Please?

Not since Teddy Freaking Roosevelt have we had a president who even remotely resembles the mythical creature called "the common man."

What you're asking Obama and other politicians to do is to pander. Pure and simple. We're so accustomed to this pandering, to watching candidates pretend like they really identify with the GED crowd, we've come to think this is the way things are SUPPOSED to be done.

Obama is not of the NASCAR set. No questions about that. But neither are any of the rest of them.

He is, however, a candidate whose roots are as populist as any president in the last thirty years. He's somebody who has articulated a sophisticated grasp of how wedge issues distract us from economic woes -- not to mention a textbook understanding of social values theory. And he's somebody whose public service track record gives us every reason to think he genuinely has working-class interests at heart.

And we're upset because he's not putting enough effort into faking commonness?

Look, the time to have been aghast was when the guy pretended to give a flying crap about bowling.

Asserting that communities get frustrated and focus on material values when the grocery budget is tight -- that's a reason to rally behind the guy.

Posted by: Brian in MT | Apr 16, 2008 1:44:47 AM

Just before the Iowa caucus, Obama began telling voters about a phone conversation with his wife, who said this year was the right time to run for president because they are “still almost normal.” She meant that before her husband became a U.S. senator and received a $1.9 million book advance, they juggled school loans, grocery shopping and mortgage payments like other middle-class families.

“Michelle’s point was, in eight years from now, 10 years from now, we may still be nice people, but we may be in this orbit where we just don’t remember, we don’t hear people’s voices anymore,” Obama explained at the time.

Two women in the Sioux City audience were not impressed.

“That was a mistake,” said Lindsay Pelchat, 30. “That was a big mistake.”

“Don’t ever forget where you come from,” her friend, Paula Yasat, 53, piped in.

“Does that mean in the next election he’s already going to start losing sight of the middle class?” Pelchat asked.

The women approached Obama afterward to tell him they remained undecided.

“What do I need to do?” Obama asked, almost disbelieving. “You’re really making us work.”

At a February town hall meeting in Racine, Wis., Obama showed little patience for a rowdy crowd. When one young man asked for his views on Native American rights and “people getting screwed” by NAFTA, Obama took a sharp tone.

“I’m sorry, young man, you have a series of different questions and why don’t you ask your questions in a more polite fashion,” Obama said.

An aide later said that Obama, who was on his last stop before a trip home to Chicago, appeared irritated because was anxious to see his family.

Reacting in mid-February to Clinton’s charges that he was all talk, Obama offered a confident self-assessment, one that might sound arrogant to some. “It’s true I give a good speech. What can I do? Nothing wrong with that.”

Obama infuriated supporters of former Sen. John Edwards by continuing to use him as a punch line on the stump even after he left the race. And New York magazine reported last month that Obama blew the endorsement, in part, because he came across as “glib and aloof” during a phone conversation on the day that Edwards dropped out.

Cass R. Sunstein, a former colleague of Obama’s at the University of Chicago law school, said the characterizations by Obama opponents of him as elitist is “laughable,” and the charge of him as condescending “aren’t features of his personality.”

But he allowed that Obama, like anybody under a nearly 24-hour-a-day microscope, can slip up.

“He is a real person,” Sunstein said. “He is not programmed in the way that some political candidates have been in the past. The moment-by-moment scrutiny is surely less familiar for him than it has been for people who have been facing this kind of scrutiny for a longer time.”

Posted by: Gee | Apr 16, 2008 12:37:27 AM

Obama said that he choose his words poorly..... but he also said that WORDS MATTER.

Posted by: Gee | Apr 16, 2008 12:31:11 AM

I read the article, and found this comment said it all:

Hogarth:

So this is the so-called “New Media,” eh?

In the tank for the chosen-one, trying to spin, bias, or keep things from ever seeing the light of day. Doing their damndest to influence an election “by the People, for the People” to suit their own craven desires.

Please, tell me again how this is any different from the “Old Media.”

Posted by: Victor | Apr 16, 2008 12:15:20 AM

Obama on Guns - when Obama ran for the Illinois state senate the political group, Independent Voters of Illinois (IVI), asked him if he supported a “ban [on] the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns” and he responded “yes.” - LIAR- But in what will probably be the most improbable change, the Politico reported on Saturday that Barack Obama was making a big play for gun votes in Pennsylvania. In 1998, another questionnaire administered by IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test didn’t ask about banning all handguns, but it did find that Obama wanted to “ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.” Source: Fox News and Politico.com

Posted by: Gee | Apr 15, 2008 11:59:06 PM

American9 are your serious:
Rezko-I hardly knew the man. Now it's that he contributed at least $250,000 to his campaign. Plus, you might want to ask all the poor people in Obama's district who went without heat because of REZKO

NAFTA-Say one thing, while someone from your staff goes to Canada and assures them that you don't really mean what you are saying to the public


WRIGHT-Sit in a church that preaches racism and hate for over 20 years

"Typical White Woman" comment- shows just how Obama likes to sterotype different people (reminds you of his church)

Bitter comment: He was replying to the question as to why he wasn't doing better in Pennsylvania. His excuse was that he was a black man, and these people are bigoted, as they cling to their guns, and religion. Go back and look at the tape if you fail to understand this.

I will not take money from lobbyists-Has taken more money from PACs, basically the same thing as lobbyists-the only differnce is there is a middleman involved. (people still expect something in return)

I don't take money from the oil companies-yes he can! and did! Again he took their money thru PACs or by having CEO's wives donate it, but it still came from the oil campanies

I could keep going, but the list is too long and once you get started on his book, it keep going and going. And you are worried about whether their was sniper fire, when in fact she did go to war zone? YOU NEED TO STOP KIDDING YOURSELF, THAT YOUR CANDIDATE HAS CLEAN HANDS.


Posted by: beachnan | Apr 15, 2008 11:51:39 PM

who ever you really are-since we don't know each other
you are disgracing your self to the cosmos
since you can type-you can do better with your comments than what you are doing.
you can take the high road anytime you wish.

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 15, 2008 11:43:34 PM

Mike I also, think sen. clinton is in some way wanting to redeem her name with the country.
I do think she will make a good president
and as being the first woman president
we could not have picked a more qualifed woman to be the first.

I dare say that will not be the case for the first african american president

it seems to me he has deliberately tried distance himself from the american part of his african-american

there are not many female politicians on the horizion that will be ready to be president-if hillary does not get it.

but there are many african americans
politicians on the horizion that are a lot more qualified that barack obama
increasing their political resumes and doing a lot of good work.
and I fear after him-it will take a long while for the country to be ready to accept the next black person for president.

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 15, 2008 11:30:23 PM

The Huffington Post is pure fiction. They wouldn't know the truth if it slapped them in the face. If anyone wants to read trash, all they need to do is log on. The vitriolic tenor of many of the bloggers is frightening. Remember that "unity" thing Obama said he was all for. Just go to that site and you will see why many of us have turned away from Obama, and his brand of unity. Is there anything that Obama does, that he will accept responsibility for. Arianna, now trying to turn this one around and point the finger at Hillary would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic. If Obama was hurt by his condenscending remarks in San Francisco, the wound was self-inflicted.

Posted by: beachnan | Apr 15, 2008 11:27:03 PM


Where is the intellectual honesty for a magazine claiming to be on the side of truth? Or is that another spin to "hoodwink"? As I saw it, more than Clinton campaign was involved in commenting on Mr. Obama's "different strokes to different folks".
Ms. Huffington is a wealthy woman, who has an ego the size of Mt. Everest and quite the opposite talent and support. At least she can try to be intellectually honest. But, I guess not.

Posted by: Onlooker | Apr 15, 2008 10:46:57 PM

jgaw--well said! However, is it so important to be the smartest on issues or is it important respond to issues smartly. Hillary is a much more polished speaker off the cuff than Barack. He is no match playing dirty politics. If this was played cleanly Barack would win hands down. I live in Arkansas and I have spoken with people that have known Hillary and have worked with Hillary. They say that she was brilliant, but had no scruples what so ever. They could be lying but I suspect from what I have seen of her here in Arkansas and from her campaigning that they are correct. But it is possible that see will make a great president. Just being fair and balance.

Posted by: mike | Apr 15, 2008 10:25:27 PM

Don't know what black community you live in.

I did not put that Joint in my/her mouth and I/she did not inhale

NO MORE LIES:

Bullet over head, Bullets at the firing range.. Bullets everywhere Hillary goes.

Posted by: American9 | Apr 15, 2008 10:16:30 PM

geevil writes:
1. what about the bizarre murders of gay men in South Chicago including Donald Young a choir director at Obama's church?

2. Young could only have known about Sinclair from one person. Barack Obama.
-----
And ... ? Unlike Bill Clinton's robustly heterosexual indiscretions presumably in the far past), Obama's sexuality seems to be off limits for Democratic discussion.

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | Apr 15, 2008 10:15:29 PM

well obama is preaching division and confusion right now-because he says one thing to the american people and says another thing to others behind closed doors.
he has caused division in the black community-
everytime he opens his mouth of late he confuses people more and more of what his message it.

but thank goodness-we are giving bill clinton some credit for something good.
because most of the time the obama supporters say anything you hear from bill clinton is a lie

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 15, 2008 10:04:18 PM

george bush has said things and stuck with them-no matter what
people were duped into voting for bush
many people had their doubts about him
from the debates with gore we could all tell he was not up to snuff on the issues-but some gave him a pass anyway.
when he got into office-he made the comment-I have been given political capital by the people and i am going to spend it the way I see fit.
his vp said-the american people do not agree with your views on this particular issue-the vp said "so?"
mr obama seems to be able to give good prepared speechs-he cannot take questions off the cuff-which makes me suspect if he has a complete understanding of issues.-I do not think he does.
I do not think compared to hillary clinton he is the smartest on the issues.
mr obama says things and if people question him to much on it he will blame everyone-except him self
he and his surrogates are some how trying to blame this fiasco on his part. on hillary clinton.
harry truman said "the buck stops here"
I do not see that coming from obama

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 15, 2008 9:55:27 PM

I don't know my Mr. Obama personally to know if he is an elitist or not. He doesn't come from an elitist background, so I suspect he isn't. Having voted Republican most of my life I find my self in new territory supporting a liberal like Mr.Obama. He reminds of Harry Truman--he says stuff that people don't like and then sticks with it. He didn't dump the Reverend when both of the other Politicians would have. His wife never stays more than two days away from her children and speaks her mind. She seems like a genuinely nice person and that says a lot about Mr. Obama. Plus he is not very good at playing dirty politics and that is the kind of person I like.

Posted by: mike | Apr 15, 2008 9:44:52 PM

go back and read the comments listed here-not much about the issues.
we cannot comment about the issues
and decide who has the better plan
the media is all pro obama and gone jerry springer on us.
the obama supporters-cannot talk about and defend their guy on the issues-because they and everyone else knows obama is weak on the issues-so all they can do is attack hillary on non issue items-bill,bills presidency,but not about the issues that will make a bit of difference to them.

the hillary supporters cannot comment on the issues-which she is very strong on-because we feel we must defend her.
and try to get back on the issues.

these conversations are in a round about way just what obama was saying about the bitter comments, guns and church.

obama supporters cannot talk up their guy on the issues-because he does not know how to solve the problems of this counrtry so they "cling"
to running down Sen. Clinton-as their only defense of him

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 15, 2008 9:40:37 PM

Young could only have known about Sinclair from one person. Barack Obama.

Posted by: geevill | Apr 15, 2008 9:38:00 PM

If you want to see who should be president and leading this country
go to cspan and find and watch Sen.Clinton' speech to the newspaper publishers association.
She stood up there and really gave a great talk and then
she (off the cuff) took questions.
one was about the mosque bombing in souther iran.
and her answer was plain spoken-anyone could understand it-and very much to the point. no stumbling or pausing, stammering, trying to careful think what the answer is.
Just flat out knew the answer.
You can continue to say whatever you want to say negatively about Sen.Clinton
but the fact will always be
She absolutely-know more about the issues and can articulate them to people better-(and she is not claiming she is a great speech giver)
she absolutel runs circles around obama and mccain on the issues
John mccain gave an interesting talk about what he would do with the economy
I do not agree with him-but I understood what he was saying and I believe he believes he is right.
I believe Hillary believes what she is saying is right.
and I must say with mr. obama right now
for some one who claimed-to be the agent of change-i didn't know him in the beginning-and what I am finding out about him-is not good. it seems he is just like any other politician-he talks out of both sides of his mouth.
we know hillary and the baggage she brings
but obama has to short of a political resume-to be running for president and causing himself all this trouble.
I hope before the debate he has a lot of practice-because his performance in the past debates was not impressive.
and if (god forbid) he should win the dem. nomination-he will not be able to say he won it fair and square.

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 15, 2008 9:29:39 PM

The same people who told us NAFTA and deregulating the financial industry would be good for the country, are now saying Obama is an elitist, for pointing out that people are bitter about the economy.

Posted by: AkaDad | Apr 15, 2008 9:24:00 PM

LOL

Just joking guys, I really like Bill and Hillary.

Posted by: American9 | Apr 15, 2008 9:18:58 PM

It's 3:00 am

Hillary answers the phone...

Hillary Crys

Hillary is having a change of Life moment

Hillary pushes the button..

Posted by: American9 | Apr 15, 2008 9:17:54 PM

Countallthevotes,,

Do you think that the Republicans are going to forget.

What will Hillary do if they post this,,
CRY...

You are Picking on me...

Oh, I was exhausted,,

Oh, I misspoke..

The Press always ask me questions first..

Posted by: American9 | Apr 15, 2008 9:15:55 PM

what about the bizarre murders of gay men in South Chicago including Donald Young a choir director at Obama's church?

Posted by: geevill | Apr 15, 2008 9:11:36 PM

With a law degree from Harvard:

Working in the Ghetto, for poor people would not be considered Elitist..

But a character trait to help others.

He could have made millions in court taking money from people entering the judicial system. (As it is set up to ROB you BLIND)

Posted by: American9 | Apr 15, 2008 9:11:27 PM

American9,

You should go to Huff Post. You will be appreciated there. LOL

Posted by: countallthevotes | Apr 15, 2008 9:08:09 PM

Closet full of

You can judge a person's character by what they do, and the content of their HEART.

Posted by: American9 | Apr 15, 2008 9:08:01 PM

Sorry for the typo it is garbage I think

Posted by: American9 | Apr 15, 2008 9:05:09 PM

Who was Ron Brown being talked to:

Vincent Walker Foster, Jr. (January 15, 1945–July 20, 1993) was a Deputy White House Counsel during the first term of President Bill Clinton, and also a law partner and friend of Hillary Rodham Clinton. His death was ruled a suicide by multiple official investigations, but remains a subject of interest among conspiracy theorists. .

Posted by: American9 | Apr 15, 2008 8:58:42 PM

I posted the latest PA polls showing Bloomberg way off base. Is it a coincidence that Drudhe has a paid ad from Obama on top of his website?

Why does Drudge cite a poll way out of the mainstream?$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Posted by: geevill | Apr 15, 2008 8:51:20 PM

Fear Fear, Republican Fear,

The people that is trying to attack Obama, on this blog really is showing FEAR, instead of bring up what Hillary really has to offer (other than more Lies, and Big Money 100 million) they are choosing to try to smear Obama.

If Hillary and Bill is all that why is that Bill goes to Colombia ans speak for 800,000 dollars. (Obama could not get away with that).

Why does Hillary misspeak about those bullets flying over her head.

Why does Hillary's every other speech has to bring up Obama..

Answer: FEAR

The Republicans truly FEAR Obama running against McCain.

They know that Hillary will be a wash as the closet is full of garabe.

Who was Bill's old, PR, was it Ron Brown..
Remember him, God bless his soul.
More to come fromt the Republicans.

Posted by: American9 | Apr 15, 2008 8:48:41 PM

geevill "Do not believe Drudge"

geevill, you seem to be getting pretty desperate. Drudge is simply linking to the pages with the latest poll results.

He's right about Obama having this year's largest lead in the Gallup Daily Tracking poll, an 11 point lead over Clinton.

And the Bloomberg poll indeed contains a lot of bad news for Clinton.

But do not despair! Polls are only polls.


Posted by: danemann | Apr 15, 2008 8:41:08 PM

It's simple. They do not get it. They all agree what OBama said is true and somehow a good thing.

btw, Drudge is now trying to surpress Clinton voters with his phony doomsday poll stories. Obama must be spreading around a lot of cash.

Posted by: geevill | Apr 15, 2008 8:09:15 PM

Yes the new spin for the media of obama (msnbc,cnn and every major democratic blog) is that "How dare Hillary use these comments to attack the One".

Posted by: toby | Apr 15, 2008 7:49:42 PM

We are only now seeing who Obama really is and what his mindset is....he was forced on us from the start, without being vetted. I believe more will come out on his true nature.