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Miska - people are going to die with or without healthcare...it's a fact of life. With universal healthcare, different people will die because of rationing.

FACT: Obama's health plan would leave 15 million Americans without coverage.

FACT: People have died, are dying, and will continue to die for lack of health care coverage.

There's no excuse for allowing this kind of thing happen again.

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This story is hilarious because it completely fails to acknowledge something extremely ironic - if Hillary Clinton had not failed so miserably in her attempt at healthcare reform in 1993, this woman may not have been in boat that she was.

Jake and others have completely failed to even mention the fact that in 1992 there was a huge mandate in the country for healthcare reform. Bill Clinton won th election in large part because he promised that he was the best candidate to tackle our healthcare system. And he would bring affordable health insurance to all Americans. It was such top priority that he chose none other than his own own wife, Hillary, to find a solution to America's healthcare crisis. Of course, Hillary had lots of meet and greets on Capitol Hill and many well publicized secret meetings with healthcare consultants. But at the end of the day, her healthcare reform package landed like a flaming pile of pooh! It was universally hated by politicians in both parties and voters alike.

In fact, Hillary's healthcare disaster was the prime reason the Republicans swept the '94 mid-term elections. The first time the Democrats didn't control the House of Representatives in over 40 years. Bill Clinton's approval ratings were never lower than when Hillary completely botched healthcare reform. Amazing, considering the fact that he was impeached.

And as Hillary's recently released records point out, after her healthcare reform debacle, she basically faded away and decided to reinvent herself in the mold of more traditional First Ladies.

So if you think Hillary Clinton is the person to fix healthcare, you're either too young, have an extremely poor memory or you know virtually nothing about Hillary and her absolute biggest blunder (her INEVITABLE nomination being the exception).

Obama asked Wright to stop? Link?

It's really funny how repeating OBAMA'S OWN WORDS is "bigotry" and "slander".

"Besides, I'm not in Obama's church..."

but you know enough to pass judgement. You know enough to claim 20 years of FAILURE. You know enough to slander the honor of a good an honorable reverend. All to tear down Obama. Throw the kitchen sink at him, you will.

"So...did Obama actually ask Wright to stop? I didn't think so."

Ah, yes he did, actually. But you think you know better and your certainly not going to give up critizing Obama's character. Obama can't get a break from you, no sir.

Obama's church is already united and doing just fine in spite of your bigoted opinion. What a horrible sense of hatred you live in. Does it hurt inside?

"the Republicans are going to dismantle Sen. Obama …if he wins the Nomination.."

We've had 8 years of Republican predictions about what will happen in the future. They've been wrong every time. So now they want to brag about how they will dismantle Obama if he wins, so "be scared" and vote for Clinton instead. People, are we really falling for this argument?

"I simply used Obama's own characterization of Wright's rhetoric. "

to accomplish what exactly? I say it appears you think your quite clever to claim that Obama is "unwilling or ineffective at promoting unity in a church, how can he do so for a whole country and its enemies, foreign and domestic?" You might as well say, "he'll never get me to unite so he is a failure (stomp)." I say Obama is extremely effective at healing the wounds that divide this country. He's much better at it than I am, based upon this thread of conversation. I gave it my best, I did.

"I have never heard Obama call on Rev Wright to actually STOP his divisive rhetoric."

And I have never heard Clinton call on Mark Penn to actually STOP his divisive rhetoric.

Touche

Please stop making assumptions and personal attachs. I have never watched Rush Limbaugh. I simply used Obama's own characterization of Wright's rhetoric. Apparently, it is BIGOTED to rely on Obama's JUDGEMENT. OK.

No, I have never heard Obama call on Rev Wright to actually STOP his divisive rhetoric.

"Simply loving his Reverend" did not require that Obama remain silent in the face of divisive rhetoric for 20 years. Obama is running for President and should be accountable for the sincerity of his convictions and ability to promote those convictions.

As President, he will have to be far more active in addressing far more divisive forces. If he was unwilling or ineffective at promoting unity in a church, how can he do so for a whole country and its enemies, foreign and domestic?

Rev. Wright has 100 times more hours logged giving unity sermons but none of those were played during that 30 second soundbite taken out of context which you have used to pass judgement upon him. And then you pass judgement on Obama for standing by him.

Obama's judgement of Rev. Wright is much more credible given his relationship of 20 years than is your judgement based upon the likes of Rush Limbaugh. So can you see why Barack's rejection of Rev. Wrights' statements isn't considered bigoted but yet your judgements are considered bigoted? If so than there's hope still for healing. Please don't be a hater.

"My stand is based on the notion that if you believe in unity, you stand up for it when it is being attacked by divisive rhetoric."

This is exactly what Obama has done, if you'd bother to listen to him.

Obama is free to characterize it however he sees fit. So am I and so are you. The difference between Obama and and many who have logged their judgements here is that these bigots FAULT Obama for simply loving his Reverand for 20 years inspite of his divisive comments. You people will condemn Obama for anything. He's damn if he do, damn if he don't with many of you here. I'm all for unity, too. So what one must do against slander like found here when one is committed to "unity"? eh? Turn the other cheek?

Obama can vote "present" all he wants in the Illinois Senate. A vote "present" is the same as "no" while signalling a willingness to negotiate. Perfectly reasonable thing to do. Of course, you want to mis-characterize it just like you mis-characterize Rev. Wright and his sermons. Rev. Wright isn't even close to being as divisive as many of the bigoted comments on this blog. But since you've based your bigoted position on a 30 second soundbite taken out of context, I can understand your confusion.

Didn't Obama have that right too? Why didn't he exercise it by walking out during those sermons? By asking Rev. Wright to reconsider and/or stop his divisive rhetoric?

If Obama's only reaction to divisiveness is to vote "present", how sincere or effective is he?

Look, the point is that if there had been universal health care, this woman and her baby may have both survived.

PRIORITIES, PEOPLE.

A prominent Southern California university has developed a scientific test to determine when Hillary is lying. After exhaustive testing in the field, this test is now 100% accurate. It’s developers have been awarded the Noble Prize for their historic breakthrough in the field of Mendacity Determination. The test works like this: if Hillary’s lips are moving, she is lying.

To questioner:

If your comment is directed toward my post, you'll notice I said NOTHING ABOUT RACE. Look it up in a dictionary. Bigot does not equal Racist. The group of bigots in this world is a much larger group of people. And the fascists who call Rev. Wright un-american are not racists either, they're fascists.

But of course to you anything about Obama is racist. "See what I mean?"

What apology do you want to hear? I'm sorry that you hate Obama.