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No we need a person in the White House
who has a plan for

ending the war
universal healthcare for all
getting the economy back on th right track
will work to uplift all americans

What part of the 1990's didn't you like?

"The Peace or the Prosperity"-HRC-4/6/08

Hillary will get the job done

Legends comments show a basic
ignorance of American History!
The facts are that the people holding blacks back in the 1960's were
Democrat Party Governors in the South!
George Wallace of Alabama and
Lestor Maddox of Georgia to name a few!
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed
under Lyndon Johnson but with the help
of Republicans in the Congress!
But John don't let the facts get in your
way!
By the way Mr Legend did you notice that
Former KKK member Senator Robert C Byrd,
Democrat is still a leader in your
Party of Choice!

jgaw signing off now.

who are you supporting? and why?
and have you looked at hillary and her plan with an open mind? I have watched obama and hillary in debates together
she runs rings around him on the issues.

Actually I was talking about this opinion...."hillary is the right one for the country at this time" Again, I just disagree.

This part here, "Hillary is my girl

this is my belief and I'm sticking with
it."

Well, that's just the fact. You WILL be voting for Hillary. I take you at your word on that.

you are correct about my opinion
hillary is the right one for the country at this time

Hillary is my girl

this is my belief and I'm sticking with
it.

Oh I don't think Bill would be calling the shots, i jsut think too many people want to vote Hill in for what BILL did. I also doubt Barak Obama is just going to say... Clinton's wwho?... and that's the underlying implications by many of hwer supporters.

And you're welcome to your opinon.

Again, your opinion isn't fact, and facts are stubborn things.

if you are asking me this question
I unlike others-feel hillary has the needed experience to be president.
I do not believe she gets cred. just because she is married to bill-
when I say I really do think our country is in dire straits and needs someone smart to steer us right.
I do not take lightly the vetting of a candidate-i would not let hillary off that light as she should be president just because she is bills wife-and the people who have complained about that or said that was a reason to-are being silly.
I believe bill will be an advisor to hill just as any husband or wife.
but I don't believe any one really thinks that after this hard won victory and hillary gets into the white house-a don't think anyone really believe anyone will be calling the shots except hillary.-and I like her for that too.
now, not knowing obama-i did not as so many of my black brother and sister do
look at his brown face and run out and blindly vote for him
so for a long while much of my television watching was to try and learn something of him-and as I learned of him- I did what I think I am supposed to do and started to compare him with the one I already thought could be president-to see if he measured up-he did and does not.
as I have said before-if I could have seen obama to just half as smart as hillary I would have thrown my vote his way-just to give him the benefit-and of course I would like a person of color in the white house before i die-now while watching tv-and summing up obama-I did start to notice the media bias against hillary-so i started to investigate obama on my own-and talk to other black people-,I listened to black radio djays-because I know they didn't know him either-and thought surely I would be get the true story about him from them-because I have never seem the black radio djays cut anyone any slack-I have always believed them to "call it as they saw it"-but to my suprise-when i tuned in all i heard was'don't cause the brother any trouble-lets just get him in there"-and I do not buy the explaination of-"well don't you just see that as black pride-with the hope of the first black president"-my answer is no-there is no black pride in cheating-as juan williams said "I want a black president, but not this way"-not when you can see the unfair way that it is happening.
the only change and as obama says new type campaign. I see is the skin color has changed. It is politics as usual.

oh yes-to answer your question
my complaint-
I am an american citizen living in the usa-and I for the 12th yearhave watched our media-"conspire" to help swing our presidential elections in favor of one particular candidate. and the dem left are the ring leaders. dean-,kerry,kennedy,bradley.richardson,all presidential wannabee'-it is these dem
that will keep the poor poor.-if obama gets into office-with all of these people with rev. wright, james cone and co. the country will be going backward.
I do not believe there is anything about the aboved mentioned that is progressive. These people are all looking to be the power behind the so called power. obama is not ready.
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spin spin spin... riiiight. And I should just accept your assurances then?

I don't entirely disagree, and I will not "Give it a break." I understand that the Clintons, as well, on occasion, the McCains have been unduely attacked, and the same is certainly true of the Obamas in equal measure.

As far as you watching all the news stations etc.... did you do so with an open mind or having already decided on Hillary?

As I said before... I will give Hillary credit for the things she's done, but I will not simply grant her credibility because she's married to Bill. Do oyu think that Bill is any different than Al when it comes to being talked to about issues they are familiar with? Do you think that the Obama's are just going to up and forget all the good the Clintons have done?

I support hillary clinton every night.
I have watched tv until I am sick of the bias on our so called news programs.
I try to get the real news from the bbc.
I see on cnn-how the news people-cafferty, wolf on msnbc, matthews and co. but as far as the media bias i see it going both ways sometimes-for instance-obama said something in a speech and referenced lou dobbs negatively-well lou dobbs has been on obamas case ever since. but there is to much negative aimed at hillary-all three of these people are only human-and i believe trying to be public servants-so the only way i want to be able to judge them is on their plans for what ails us. but the media does not do that. they trash hillary and promote obama-on the black talk radio stations also, now it does make any difference to me if they want to be all obama-be that way. but since they are sending all the love toward obama-why trash hillary. Stop trashing Hillary
there are so many people against bill and hillary clinton-if they were half as bad as people make out to be-they would have been caught and jailed. they cannot be that powerful. and carl bernstein hates them so-they must have done something personal to him-I am sure with his investigative history-he would have had them jailed. so let the people continue to do the good they do.
I believe everyday some poor soul is better off because of something good the clintons have done on their behalf.
and people continue to trash them all they want. it will not change that fact.
now as for me-I will continue to speak up and support them-and point out the good I see that they do-and any injustice I see directed at them. someone has to speak up for them because the media table is stacked against them.

james, give it a break! what exactly do you think all of us have done to get to the point where we are? i am old enough to have been through quite a number of presidential election cycles and i have NEVER seen someone being anointed in the way bho has, and seen anything "clinton" be torn apart. these are people that have a rather substantial history of good works, not deserving of the things they are being called. i look at all the stations. i have watched msnbc all but anoint bho. for someone who knows the clinton years to have been pretty darn good, for everyone, i will never understand the way they have been trashed.

You focus too much on triviasl issues. Again, what is your complaint? Do you actually think that if Obama is elected that somehow everyone who is not black or male is going to be just up and left out of any good that may come? What is your gripe? You claim to see favoritism in all of this, but I have gone to many different websites, and news stations, and read many different papers, and I dont' see any favoritism. On either side... what I DO see is p[eople playing up the possibility of favoritism.

See waht I mean? Seriously... with an open mind... do not for one night support Hillary Clinton, do not support John McCain, and do not see Barak Obama as teh odd man out, and just watch the channels... truthfully you need to do that for at least a month to hear what everyone is saying, but even after one night you may begin to see that the only one's making any sort of a big deal out of this are the one's who want to see it that way for their own convenience.

So let me get this straight.

John McCain originally opposed the MLK holiday because he pathetically claims he didn't realize MLK was that important, and Jake Tapper merely finds his tone "off-putting".

Yet when Jon Legend, an entertainer, makes an inaccurate (and likely off-the-cuff) statement about race in politics, Jake jumps on him as "tremendously ignorant."

Personally, I'd call Legend's tone "off-putting," and McCain "tremendously ignorant".

But hey, maybe that's just the difference between Democrats and Republicans.

It looks like some "Operation Chaos" folks have showed up here to cause some trouble. I hope real Democrats won't take their attempts to stir the pot seriously.

Legend is wrong to believe that only Republicans have racial biases. Many Democrats this election cycle have shown that they may not "be ready" for a black president, while many Republicans have crossed over to vote for one.

By the way, Lincoln did not advocate social and political equality for blacks, just freedom and citizenship. It would have been difficult to imagine him having anything like our modern ideas of racial equality.

@jgaw

Actually the problem isn't Obama. It's Hillary supporters, McCain supporters, pretending to be Obama supporters.

Hey, I figured that while you're throwing a few more conspiracy theories out there I might as well do the same.

The fact is, both Hillary and Obama are better than McCain, and the one's ruining both Hillary and Obama are the conspiracy theorists out there like you who say the things they do in an attempt to help their chosen charity [women, blacks, poor white men, and poor picked on republicans/democrats, etc. ad mauseum], but end up engaging in the tactics that they themselves speak out against.

My favorite is when those same supporters praise each other for those tactics that they would speak out against if it were their opponents supporter engaging in it.

For instance, the poster pp who see's you as a wise and learned person capable of making credible observations. That's like one republican or one democrat praising another. Gee, I wonder if there might be some sort of bias there?

Hmmmmmmmm?

dear voters,
the reason I am not voting for obama is
we are being denied a basic right
black people who support hillary-being silenced-by obama supporter
black elected officials being silenced or forced to go with obama or lose their position-john lewis
superdelgates being pressured by dean to pick now-also threatening elected superdelegates-possible to lose their position-
and they have cnn-msnbc
a perfect storm for stealing the election and our voice from us.
It is not hillary trying to steal this election-it really is obama, his handlers

he maybe half white-but his associations and beliefs are all black and black seperatist I might add.
can you look up James Cone?
a rev. wright collegue and obama supporter

"If I had one hour left on this earth I would spent it with my hands around the throat of a white man-choking him to death"
"What we need to do is get rid of all this whitness-it is the misery of the world"--James Cone

Now I am african american, and I find this disgusting.

Obama claiming to be the uniter-and his supporters and handlers have proved to me they do not have a clue on how to unite a country-they have already torn this country' dem. party apart.
there is noway you can get a uniter of anything good out of the teachings of rev. wright and james cone-
obama cannot win the white house against john mccain-because more of this rev. wright stuff will come out.
obama mother was a marxist, wright a seperatist, and James cone is just scary.
Obama supporters have almost terrorized the black dem comm. if you are not for obama-you had better keep it to yourself
I do not understand why obama black supporters are not asking the questions why he didn't attend tavis smiley state of the black union, and why wasn't he is memphis yesterday?
It has always been said the dem party has taken for granted the black community will be there. well this time around the black community is being taken advantage of in the most cruelest way. to many good people died for black people to have the right to vote. for today even the so called black leaders to turn their heads and silent sanction what is happening to the black voters.
You cannot unite a country by saying to the white community-we need to punish you first-and then we will get along
and strong-arming a portion of the black community is just wrong.
Obama will not get my black vote

Just because White people approve of Barack Obama and he has brown skin the African Americans think they are getting their first Black President?? Excuse me?? He is half White, raised by White mother and White Grandparents that gave him more than lots of White kids could get. His foreign Black father was from Kenya and abandoned him when he was 2. There are many African Americans in this country who have risen up against inequalities based on race, worked hard, fought hard for equal civil rights. What has Obama done for anyone??? Let's find a real African American to run for President.

nevervotedrepub: as a Hillary supporter, you took the words out of my thoughts. Actually,however, I have voted Republican against Jimmy Carter. Now we see who his family is endorsing. I will NEVER vote for BARACK OBAMA.

The Democrats are no longer united because there are the far left fringe Democrats(Obama) and the more moderate but still Left Democrats(Clinton). The jump to a moderate Replublican (McCain) may not be as far for Hillary supporters as is the jump way left to Obama.

It's not the color of Obama's skin, it's the content of Obama's character. Hillary '08

The Legend interview simply illustrates that the news coverage of the election has run out of stories. Obama is doing what Nixon did with George Wallace: every issue that resonates, he adopts and the media goes along with that.

Legend can't see beyond the color of his skin. Obama can't see past the demons that have chased him since birth. Hillary sees that poverty is a far more potent source of misery than race. She has more insight than either of them.

Vote your skin color or vote for change. It's that simple. As Mahalia Jackson said, "Get up today and help someone. If you can't today, try again tomorrow."

That is the way to get it done.

People are so silly bringing up the party of Lincoln. The Republicans were the Northerners at the time -- not the south. Today, the Republican stronghold is the opposite -- it is the land of the confederacy. What caused the switch? Well, a couple of things. First, when a lot blacks got the hell out of south after WWI and finally got to vote, they got voting power. During Roosevelt's presidency, they moved to the Dems because his New Deal policies were helpful for poor people. Because blacks were such a voting strength, the Dems favored civil rights -- except in the South. After the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the South began to swing Republican, and Reagan completed the revolution. There have been some exceptions (Clinton won parts of the south). But by and large, the south - and white voters in particular - have gone Republican since 1964. Since 1964, no Democratic presidential contender has a won a majority of the white votes nationwide, and many of the "blue" states would be "red" if you took out black and latino votes. So, yeah, there are racial patterns in voting. Why is this shocking to anyone ?

Legend isn't a good singer. He's worse as a political commentator.

I suppose there was an absolute 100% certainty that some Republican sheep would bring up Lincoln. Yes, you're right, 150 years ago the Republican Party was not a haven for racists. Shockingly, some things have changed in that brief span of time.

Anybody who really thinks that Abraham Lincoln would today choose to represent the party of Jesse Helms, Trent Lott, and George Allen, to name only three from a long list, please raise your hands.

How quickly we forget...Lemme think, Abraham Lincoln(man who freed the slaves) REPUBLICAN. Most older southerners wouldn't vote republican regardless of the candidate because the DEMOCRAT party was old south, white and male. I wish the "baby boomers" would get over this rascist crap. There is racism, bigotry, and sexist behavior in both sexes in all shades if that is all you WANT to see. Vote based on who most closely aligns w/your principles-not that hard all you journalist trying to MAKE a story.

The complete interview:
John Legend: I think America is ready to elect Barack. It's not insert-any-black-man-here and they would vote for him, but Barack is a unique and special person. And so I don't really like the question of "is America ready for a black president?" because it's more about the specific individual. And the thing is, the people who wouldn't vote for a person because they're black wouldn't vote for a democrat anyway. And so I think it's all about the right candidate and I think Barack is the right candidate and part of what is great about him is that he really is inspiring young people to participate and they really are getting involved, going door to door, voting, contributing small amounts of money, which I haven't really seen before.

I would like to see this idea of expanding the national service requirement implemented and give young people a chance to be involved in their communities and give back to the country. They want to work, they just want someone to tell them what to do. They aren't as selfish and apathetic as we think they are.

Racism cuts both ways, just ask the Rev Wright

Thanks to the 'race baiting' of the racist Clintons since their trouncing in Iowa!

That's a brilliant response from a true Legend. lol

Americans will 'this time' do the right thing and elect the best and true leader, Obama, or sink further into the abyss.

The bigots are already suggesting that they would jump the Dems ship when Barack raps up the nomination.

Barack Obama is not just 'a Black man' BUT AN AMERICAN running for the Presidency!

So the 'race baiting' question is usually phrased by racists to ignore the VIABLE candidacy of Obama and make him appear as 'just another Black American'.
FOR SHAME!

Americans played a similar selfish and stupid game in 2000 when they ignored Al Gore because of the implosion and self destruction of the classless Clintons.
And America has been paying the price with 911, and even now with the destruction of the US economy and the lost of lives, limbs and mental health in the mindless and destructive bush war in Iraq

the implication that the decision on whether to vote for obama is a decision on whether to vote for a black person is insulting and tiresome.

i will NEVER vote for obama. i would happily vote for harold ford, jr., colin powell, and a number of other african american candidates, if we were fortunate enough to have them running.

obama disgusts me. that has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

20% of the Ohio and Texan dems would not vote for a black man, by the exit polls.

Has anyone seen Wright's tax returns? $1.6 Million home, $10 Million line of credit.

Oh come on that was funny!!!!

Racism cuts both ways ... it knows no color. Bigoted minds it knows very well.

Being "unique and special" does not qualify a person for the presidency. We ALL are unique and special. Barack does not get my vote because he is in-experienced and has not done anything to particularly merit him getting the position of POTUS. BTW, I am black and has always voted as a Democrat. If Barack gets the nod, I will vote for John McCain.

Hillary wins the nomination with MI & FL votes included, then she also wins the Election also.

Was this not the implicit message propagated by utterances and speeches of Mr. Obama and his campaign staff and surrogates for primary voters who opted not to vote for Mr. Obama?

"The only reason people could not vote for him is because of their racial prejudice. End of discussion!"

BKMC - Interesting analysis. And how does Obama clinch the nomination at this point in spite of your analysis?

True Truth and geevillo, do you think that the millions of people who voted for Obama are crazy or insane? Obama has more popualr vote, more pledged de;legates and won in more states of the USA (blue and red states alike, young mene and women, working families alike). Hillary is capable of building a museum of Woodstock in her constituency, that is what her America needs, her dream for America a Hippy museum for Hill and Bill. Nobody knows where Hill got her 35 years of experience from or her ability to manage anything since she is running one of the most disastrous political campaign in the world history. Even Mugabe in Zimbabwe has done better than Hillary. Nobody will trust Hill to give her the responsibility to manage a rumshop in Kinsgton, Jamaica. Trust me. Because she will see Bosnian snipers everywhere. God bless America and God bless Obama.OBAMA08.

Who the hell is John Legend and why would anyone care what he thinks. Must be a member of the media and have an overinflated view of his own opnion.

Actually, Legend's statement is almost accurate. He is not saying most republicans are racists. He is saying that most racists happen to be Republican (very small portion). Based on the policies that Republicans favor, that's not that far off. After all, just look at the people the Southern Republicans continuously vote for (e.g. Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions - just do a google on this racist).

Dogsoldier,
so what do you think? Who is gonna win this thing?

10% vs. 1%. I'm sure there will be many Obama supporters here who can find a way to spin this to show how evil Clinton really is.

ddpwoman-Thank for the getting supper reminder. I have to do the same in twenty minutes. And do not make me compare my cooking to yours. One of us could lose and I'm sure it's me.

dogsoldier: "ddpwoman-I'm just bugging you. It's Friday and I have nothing better to do outside of being an idiot of course."

That's cool I've got nothin' else to do either until the timer on my oven goes off.

ddpwoman-I'm just bugging you. It's Friday and I have nothing better to do outside of being an idiot of course.

Dogsoldier,
certainly not you. I was too impressed with the definition of "racism" you posted over a week ago to accuse you of such a thing. Remember, I said that I was going to let my kids read it? I was referring to "geevill", but not simply based on this blog but posts I've seen in the past that he or she has poste makes me a little suspicious.

True Truth-Obama 1% charity? Wow. Well, we all know the South Side for the paradise it is so why give to the needy, Wright?

Kardasia_Prime-Actually I never heard of Legend. But Paris or Spears are equally as intelligent. Why not ask them? They got to be out there on the far left where the Obama folks hang out as well.

Hi Dogsoldier:

10% from Clintons to Charity vs 1% from Obama...

Obama claimed he is a true Christian but never paid his 10% share....

Only a loser is a loser because of his race. A winner is a winner in spite of his race. I believe he has his right foot in the grave of left-wing "we can do anything for anybody if you will give us the money" liberalism and his right foot is hunting a banana peel.

What are you talking about?

Please...just because you are a different race or gender doesn't mean you deserve to get someone's vote/be the Democratic nominee.

You only deserve if you have SOLUTIONS AMERICANS NEED!

Jake, George Stephanopoulos also said the same thing about voters who wouldn't for someone simply because they are black. Is he also "tremendously ingorant" about the complexities of voters.

@geevill
"Now that the Clintons taxes are out-why was Obama demanding they be released. They paid their fair share of taxes and donated a lot to charity."

Are you naive or what? The point in these returns is that 18 MILLION DOLLARS have not been accounted for.

Just because you support Hillary instead of Obama does not mean you would never vote for a black man. If the candidate, who happened to be black also, had more experience, didn't have a spotted legislative resume, didn't have ties with savory people, didn't say he was for change and then show himself to be just another politician that distorts his record and past, then I would vote for him as the best candidate running for president. I just happen to think Hillary will be able to handle the country's problems better based on her many years of service and experience. And, I have done the research on Obama, my decision by any means is not by what people say on the blogs as some are just out of control for the person they are voting for and down right nasty if you don't agree.

geevill: "John could not be more wrong."

O.K., I was just checking.

" Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and former President Bill Clinton report $109.2 million in income for seven years."

Check this:

51 million dollars for "just speeches" !!

(and remember: "speeches don't matter, speeches don't put food on the table...")

Again, I'm not an Obama supporter, but John Legend is being treated as an Obama surrogate, rather than the Obama supporter that he is.

Truly, I think he just misspoke. I don't believe this means he thinks Republicans are racist.

I'm a white, Hillary supporter who loves John Legend....go figure.

John Legend is dead wrong! Their are just as many racist and sexist in the democratic party as in the republican party. Remember people racist are not only white!

Now that the Clintons taxes are out-why was Obama demanding they be released. They paid their fair share of taxes and donated a lot to charity.

He is wrong. The democrats that will not vote for Obama don't think he has the experience to do the job.
Just look at George W. Bush, see what a mess he go us into. I will not vote republican I will vote Nader.

Because John Legend is Black, his opinion counts and it is the truth - not the same racist talk that Geraldine Ferraro got called out for. This is not about Obama being black. It's about Obama disowning his white mother and grandmother, for belonging to a Black Theology Church that teaches hatred of whites to its children the way Palestinians use puppets to teach hatred to their children, it's about Obama's down and dirty Chicago political connections, and most importantly, it's about Obama's ARAB CONNECTIONS!! CNN and MSNBC will never report on any of them!

Dogsoldier - I'm with you, maybe they'll ask Paris Hilton too

John could not be more wrong.

@ greg

Obama told a Chicago newspaper, if he was NOT african american he would not get as much attention as he's gotten!

True Truth-How much did Obama give to charity?

geevill,
so does that mean John was wrong after all?

He's guilty of elitism, he would like to think that people who register as democrats couldn't possibly hold racist beliefs. Racism is an equal opportunity defect in both parties.

Surprise surprise, they are democrats who mouth phrases about black people many of us find shocking.

CNN news: The campaign said the records showed Bill and Hillary Clinton had paid more than $33.7 million in federal taxes on a joint income of $109 million and donated $10.2 million to charities over the past eight years

Wrong. I am a Democrat. just not a far left liberal Democrat.

If you can find someone whose opinion would begin to bring the Democratic party together, it would be a great service to the country.

Greg-As a Hillary supporter who detests Obama and his racists buddy Wright and Farrakhan I find your comment somewhat lacking. It appears it is Obama who surrounds himself with racial bigots. And Obama defend them.

Fox news: Clintons Release Tax Records; Show Nearly $34M Paid On $109M Income Over 8 Years

Why do we refer to Obama as African American if he isn't? He's biracial. He had a white mother, remember?

Fox news: WASHINGTON — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and former President Bill Clinton report $109.2 million in income for seven years.

Do we need to say: Ferraro? The Democrats have a segregationist past, and this campaign has convinced any observer that there's a hardcore racist anti-Obama camp among the Hillary supporters. A (small) minority of course, but nevertheless shocking in its blind and fanatic outings.

Why not ask Brittany Spears? Or Paris Hilton? Same level of brain material. And another thing, where do the hard left find these people to constantly shoot themselves in the foot so often?

geevill,
I'm guessing you're a republican.

Thankfully the majority of us have moved past this kind of thinking. The number of people who won't vote for an African-American are probably roughly equal to the number of people who won't vote for a woman. So it's probably a wash. Give us another generation (two at most) and the majority of us will vote for a gay person. Inch by inch, we keep moving forward.

Why JOHN? IS it because Obama is black?
Would he be unique and special if he wasn't?

"I think America is ready to elect Barack. It's not insert-any-black-man-here and they would vote for him, but Barack is a unique and special person. And so I don't really like the question of 'is America ready for a black president?' because it's more about the specific individual. And the thing is, the people who wouldn't vote for a person because they're black wouldn't vote for a democrat anyway."