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Nightline Debate Wrap

April 17, 2008 9:09 AM

Here's the video of the spot we did for Nightline last night.

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Barack is an "amazing orator?" "mesmerizing?"

This Barack must be different from the one I see stumbling over his words, stuttering, with long awkward pauses and "uh....uh.....uh...."

I just don't understand some peoples' crush on him. His answers, when he does manage to eventually get something out that has to do with the question, PALE in comparison to Hillary's. I'm thinking about the question about attacks on Israel. Hillary gave an answer that was absolutely spot on and full of information. Barack mumbled something about "taking appropriate action" Give me a break.

HILLARY 2008

Posted by: Sarah | Apr 18, 2008 6:39:33 AM

asian...
I am quite aware that McCain was born in Panama, which was an American territory at the time, and both his parents were Americans. He does NOT have dual citizenship with Panama. Would seem there would be a conflict of interest with dual citizenship and who you pledge you allegiance to. This is the presidency and not an "average" citizen. The supreme court discourages citizens from maintaining other citizenships. Might follow that a presidential candidate may want to only pledge alligiance to one country.

Posted by: pp | Apr 18, 2008 5:43:43 AM

pp: Do folks realize McCain was born in South America?

Posted by: H. Aslan Aslani-Far | Apr 18, 2008 5:12:20 AM

ABC News Hacks: Now you're evaluating your own Hack Job? What's the point? Fold up the tent. Send Stephanopolous and Gibson out on the campaign trail with Hillary and maybe they too will fade into oblivion. Jake, you still got a job? Is ABC even legitimate after that disaster? Get a job at Fox News, it'll be a step up out of the sewer you're currently working at...and you have the guts to question the Obama girl interviewing someone? Is that a joke? You're gonna be put out after Stephanopolous (how is that guy even invited to Bilderberg?) and Gibson (another Clinton shill) "moderated" that fiasco you're calling a debate. Let me tell you something, Jake...if a "moderator" is booed right after a debate and spends time defending his actions (like Stephanopolous did), it's a clear sign the "debate" was a total disaster. But, back to the Obama girl. You really did seemed annoyed by her being in the "Spin Room". It's funny...YOU...cracking on her!!! You're a clown.

Posted by: H. Aslan Aslani-Far | Apr 18, 2008 5:10:33 AM

Focus on this people:

Promising to raise taxes has spelled disaster for presidential candidates in the past. A good example was Michael Dukakis (one of the Ted Kennedy, John Kerry crowd).

Barack Obama has promised to roll back tax cuts (a tax increase) and is proposing programs that cannot be funded by anything else but more taxes for everyone. Indeed, Obama has stated that taxes will have to be raised in many areas just to fund his proposals, let alone balancing the budget or paying down the deficit.

With the economy failing badly, can anyone in America afford more taxes?

Barack Obama, change we all should fear.

Posted by: Jayhawk | Apr 17, 2008 11:33:09 PM

FINALLY, Senator Obama was made to speak unscripted about Reverend Wright, etc. I wish they had also asked what he meant when he recently spoke about the "typical" white person. Let's be honest, all we know about Sen. Obama is he is an amazing orator. Absolutely beautiful and mesmerizing speeches. I personally need to know more about who may become our next President, when this is such a critical time for our country. Democrat, Republican, Independent........it should not matter to any of us right now. We will never completely agree on everything with ANY of the candidates; but, we defintely need to know character.

Posted by: cathy | Apr 17, 2008 8:41:13 PM

Thanks to ABC for getting the candidates to admit that their chronic misstatements or misplaced allegiances were not just accidents, but deliberate actions. It was a revelation to hear the parsing of words in attempts to make blatant, repeated lying seem like an innocent impulse, and to hear the making of plans to punish people for earning money and working hard as a way to help the "poor". Both candidates came off in a terrible light. Had Hillary not had to confess her deliberate lying, she would have been the winner. But unfortunately, confabulation and exaggeration has done her in. These things are character issues which, in turn, makes them political issues of great importance to voters. It isn't race or gender, it is an issue of their awareness of right or wrong. And that is how the voters must decide who will be the next president. Who, of these candidates, will protect EVERY citizen from usurious taxes, pork barrel budget bloat, and terrorism?

Posted by: Pokergirl | Apr 17, 2008 6:40:17 PM

"This November, I am voting for the DEMOCRAT no matter what."

Sue, now THAT's the attitude!

The rest is senseless bickering.

Let's make sure we won't have another Republican tearing this country down!

Posted by: watson | Apr 17, 2008 6:19:04 PM

This November, I am voting for the DEMOCRAT no matter what.

You guys are arguing over Republican talking points. Who cares!

Posted by: Sue | Apr 17, 2008 5:38:29 PM

Chicago Mayor Richard Daley, whose pedigree is on the other side of their generation's cultural divide, defends Bill Ayers in a statement to the Tribune:

There are a lot of reasons that Americans are angry about Washington politics. And one more example is the way Senator Obama’s opponents are playing guilt-by-association, tarring him because he happens to know Bill Ayers.

I also know Bill Ayers. He worked with me in shaping our now nationally-renowned school reform program. He is a nationally-recognized distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois/Chicago and a valued member of the Chicago community.

I don’t condone what he did 40 years ago but I remember that period well. It was a difficult time, but those days are long over. I believe we have too many challenges in Chicago and our country to keep re-fighting 40 year old battles.

Posted by: mobird | Apr 17, 2008 5:30:50 PM

With all these people Obama has friends with, America must beware the wolf in sheep"s clothing, "

Posted by: Penipu | Apr 17, 2008 5:25:55 PM

It's obvious the Obama supporters have a problem with their candidate being asked hard questions. What do you think is going to happen IF he gets the nomination? It is better he is asked now.

Posted by: tww | Apr 17, 2008 5:20:24 PM


AGAIN --- both Obama and his wife are claiming amnesia about the 2004 event....kind of like Obama does not remember his real estate transaction with Rezko in 2005.

This is just beginning --- not over by a long shot. Obama was definitely enriched by his association with Rezko.

Even though Obama is claiming all his IL Senate records have disappeared.....no one really believes it and it's not over!

Posted by: VERYCONCERNED | Apr 17, 2008 5:19:46 PM

OBAMA HAS FAKE ENDORSEMENTS !!!!

In The Huffington Post, 04/16/08, Obama received an endorsement from the AHSA, American Hunters and Sportsmen Assoc. It said "eat your heart out Hillary."

The endorsement is to mislead people in to thinking Obama is actually suppotive of Guns.

Upon further checking ..
"AHSA is actually the latest in a long line of anti-gun groups camouflaging
themselves as pro-hunting and pro-conservation in order to split our community.
Before you give AHSA any creed " beware the wolf in sheep"s clothing, "
OBAMA ACTUALLY HAS A PLAN TO DISARM AMERICA

Posted by: nanging3 | Apr 17, 2008 5:16:25 PM


Obama’s associations with Wright, Ayers, Sinclair, Farrakhan, the Black Panthers, Rezko, Meeks, Malley, Auchi, Khalidi, McPeaks, Michelle Obama should be FULLY VETTED!

Obama said he was only a small boy when Ayers bombed the U.S. What he didn’t say was, later, in the 1990’s, when he was a man, he served on a board with Mr. Ayers, the Woods Foundation, which was a paid, “underline PAID” directorship position. They worked together, attended fundraisers together, Ayers held fundraisers and was a contributor to Obama’s Chicago’s campaign, plus they visited each other quite often. Enough said. This relationship deserves being vetted. What’s their fear?

Imagine OBAMA and ALL these friends, associates, endorsers, etc., having a Pres.-Elect party? After a few --- Wright could get up and give another, 'HATE WHITEY AMERICA!', speech...while Rezko`s trying to sell the White House to the Russians...before Lewis Ayers gets a chance to full-fill his life-long dream of blowing it up...meanwhile, BO and Sinclair renew some bad habits together...as Michele likes to watch...would be quite a party...anyone for crashing it...and you thought the Clintons were bad in the White House...
I’d much rather have the Clintons there. Maybe - and that’s a HUGE maybe - involved in a scandal which doesn’t affect the American people --- this is why the media ignores this garbage for what it is and will continue to ignore it as old news. Without the media, Obama can’t use it effectively enough to beat her...which makes her far more electable.

Meanwhile, Hillary’s policies could have us in prosperous times --- compare that to BO and Friends...who, quite frankly, may be dangerous to the American people.

McCain’s going to wipe the floor with Obama!

They’ll rip him apart, along with each and every one of those “PEOPLE/GROUPS MENTIONED ABOVE”!!!


Posted by: concerned | Apr 17, 2008 5:08:59 PM

hard question: Sen. Obama, although you constantly tell voters that you were against the war from the beginning, why did you say in an interview that you don't know how you would have voted if you actually had been in the senate? Also, how do you explain your Iraq votes since you joined the Senate?

Posted by: cappamore | Apr 17, 2008 4:55:29 PM

hard question is: how in the world are we getting out of this war that hilary voted for?

stupid question would be: "about that flag pin....." (et all...)

Posted by: drzoon | Apr 17, 2008 4:34:52 PM

On the sustantive issues, I don't think there is much difference between the two candidates so on that point I'd have to say it was a tie. I think that the rehashing of old news by Hillary and ABC however pushed Obama across the finish line by a nose therefore, Obama won the debate last night.

Posted by: ddpwoman | Apr 17, 2008 4:32:41 PM

i out/gone/finished watching the dwarf on the weekend show.

its always bugged me that he went from the Clinton White House to a news org... but last nights debate actually showed me that it turns out that he is a TABLOID guy... not that he was in the tank for HRC!

THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING GEGORE! WAS THAT THE BEST YOU COULD DO?

Posted by: drzoon | Apr 17, 2008 4:27:59 PM

From the FOX fact check today:

"Ayers contributed $200 to Obama’s legislative campaign in 2001, but there is no other sign that he has actively aided Obama’s political career."

Could it be that instead he contributed to Hillary's campaigns eversince, by way of thanking her for the pardons granted to his comrades?

Let's find that out, Jake. LOL.

Posted by: mockingbird | Apr 17, 2008 4:13:12 PM

Charlie and his partner did a very poor job for ABC with the tired questions they asked.

Thse questions had already been asked by the other networks, thus making ABC look like a third rate network. They made it sound like a slow newsday!

They avoided useful and important questions such as: "Ackowledging the whole citienship is bothered by the extreme high prices for prescription drugs, "What whoud you do to level this playing field between the Drug Corps and the consumers.?"

Posted by: Fr Roger | Apr 17, 2008 3:56:51 PM

Hey, I am all for either candidate that can beat McCain, but this kind of crap will ensure neither wins. I realize it will come up later in the presidential debates, but this is just making to worse for Clinton and Obama. I didn't mind the last 1/2 hour or so...between commercials that is.

Posted by: Narack | Apr 17, 2008 3:55:01 PM

Check out the article “Barack’s “Underground” Friends” brilliant writing plus it offers a great community in which to discuss. The editor actually takes time to answer and the political humor section is awesome!!!

Posted by: sara | Apr 17, 2008 3:47:45 PM

That was no debate. That was "talk show" junk TV. Is ABC News so deparate for ratings that they'll host a "let's see them trash one another" show.

If this is what is to be expected for the next debate, yaw can put this on cspan and allow regular viewing.

Posted by: TNeal | Apr 17, 2008 3:42:33 PM

Obama was too much a gentleman not to mention that Rev.Wright was one of the religious leaders Bill Clinton turned to for counsel during the Monica scandal. The debate made me angry. Hillary and Barack deserve better and so do we.
Flag Pins? Really? Hillary doesn't wear one. I've seen lots of pics where McCain isn't wearing one either. How stupid! You could cover yourself in flag pins and we'd still be losing our homes, jobs, paying too much for gas and sacrificing our fine troops in Iraq.

Posted by: Gerri | Apr 17, 2008 3:31:54 PM

WOW! Obama is asked a few hard questions and his supporters freak-out. This is just a warm-up for what he will be in for IF he wins the nomination. Remember MSM is owned by large corporations and they favor republicans.

Posted by: Ken | Apr 17, 2008 2:59:14 PM

Oh my, did Obama drop the ball last night? He looked like a puppy looking for mommy.

Posted by: Jajni | Apr 17, 2008 2:58:21 PM

ABC wasted 52 minutes of prime time pursuing mundane issues and appeared to be blantantly unfair to one candidate. The debate winners were CNN and MSNBC as ABC finished a distant third.

Posted by: Bob | Apr 17, 2008 2:45:30 PM

Even Republicans were disgusted! Even they start endorsing Obama... LOL. CCN reports:

"Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama has won an endorsement from Republican and former Nixon Watergate figure William D. Ruckelshaus.

Ruckelshaus was serving as deputy attorney general in 1973 when he made history as part of the infamous Saturday Night Massacre. He and his boss, Attorney General Elliot Richardson, were fired after they refused Nixon’s order to dismiss the independent counsel investigating the Watergate break-ins.

The former Nixon FBI director and secretary of the Environmental Protection Agency hopes to help Obama defeat Democratic rival Sen. Hillary Clinton in the May 6 primary in Ruckelshaus’ homestate of Indiana. The state has been a longtime Republican stronghold in presidential politics.

“Senator Obama’s ability to attract not only Democrats, but also Republicans and Independents, makes him uniquely qualified to build the broad coalitions needed to address our nation’s challenges,” said Ruckelshaus in a statement."

Posted by: marianna | Apr 17, 2008 2:42:30 PM

Last nights debate was a complete joke. Though unlike most other people, I don't blame the moderators. The people in the production office, the writers, those at the top were dictating the drama. I have watched all of the past 20 plus dem debates, and none were such a mockery of this type of forum. All of the questions were aimed at getting the candidates to pull the type of personal punches that make little difference to our country and serve only to turn everyone off to the voting process. SHAME ON ABC!

Posted by: Alex - 26 | Apr 17, 2008 2:34:49 PM

YES, REALLY.

Obama's buddy Harry Reid killed a bill that would create a tax on billionaire Hedge Fund Managers who currently use tax dodges.

The question was about ordinary capital gains that all American pay regardless of income. It had nothing to do with hedge funds.


Posted by: geevil | Apr 17, 2008 2:26:13 PM

The debate last night was insulting to the intelligence of the American voter. I'm really tired of elites, both media and politicians, thinking that the electorate is so stupid that in a time of war and recession, we care about lapel pins.

Posted by: Tessla | Apr 17, 2008 2:23:16 PM

"Obama does not know what a capital gains tax is. He started babbling about the INCOME of hedgefund managers." Oh, really?

Actually, Edgar Cayce, it would be nice if Charlie Gibson had been smarter about his question and less self absorbed about paying his fair share. Sorry, Charlie: You're Wrong on the Cap Gains Tax examines how Gibson - YET AGAIN - asked a poor question.

"Joint Committee on Taxation and Treasury both score raising capital gains taxes as raising revenues. There is some behavioral response but much of that is timing and doesn't affect the medium-to-long term revenue loss.

Note that the experience after the 1997 cut and the 2003 cut is not a meaningful way to assess the impact of capital gains tax cuts on revenues because so many things were happening simultaneously. The JCT score of the capital gains cut in 1997 was a few billion dollars annually. The 2003 cut was something like $5 billion annually. But capital gains revenues can go up or down by tens of billions annually. So it is hard to look at the noisy data and infer ex post the revenue impact of these changes.

Or, to put it more simply, Gibson's logic was flawed."

Posted by: kravitz | Apr 17, 2008 2:15:17 PM

BRING BACK THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS!!

ALL MSM LED DEBATES ARE LESS THAN USELESS.

Posted by: Ohenry | Apr 17, 2008 2:11:22 PM

Hey Spock. You're as wrong as Elisabeth Hasselbeck, who had to eat crow today on "The View" after she said Obama had never been to Iraq. He has. In 2006

But back to you.

"Do you know Obama has never had a real campaign" You say...

The Weather Underground False Debate
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-a-palermo/the-weather-underground-f_b_97144.html

"Guilt By Association. For George Stephanopoulos to bring up Ayers and not talk about the social context of the early 1970s that also brought us the Black Panther Party and other groups is to misconstrue the point of the question.

It's also interesting that a more important and radical organization of the early 1970s, the Black Panther Party, featured Chicago Congressman Bobby Rush as its titular head at the time when the legendary Fred Hampton was the inspirational leader. The irony here is that a former leader of the Black Panther Party, Congressman Rush, badly defeated Obama in the 2000 Democratic congressional primary. "Taking on Bobby Rush among black voters is like running into a buzz saw," said Ron Lester, a pollster who worked for Obama during the campaign. "This guy was incredibly popular. Not only that, his support ran deep -- to the extent that a lot of people who liked Barack still wouldn't support him because they were committed to Bobby. He had built up this reserve of goodwill over 25 years in that community." Obama learned an enormous amount from losing big to Bobby Rush."

Posted by: kravitz | Apr 17, 2008 2:09:10 PM

The debate pretty much confirms the fact that news coverage of 21st century politics in America is primarily about entertainment. If a candidate stuck to policy he or she would never get a mention in the news media, unless the candidate was the target of the other candidate's attacks.

Posted by: David H | Apr 17, 2008 2:07:08 PM

why no questions about rezko and the shady house deal ??

why no questions on aluchi the iraqi billionaire who obama partied with but claims not to know ??

why no questions on obamas wife calling american a mean country and saying she was not proud of her country

Posted by: anika | Apr 17, 2008 2:00:54 PM

fontapa - Interesting but there is a difference between Bills pardon and Obama stratigizing with the Weather underground founders, the one big one is Bill is not running, and since you Obama followers think associations should not matter then Hilary can not be blamed for that!


The screaming by Obama supporters is sad, about these so called tough questions that Obama could not answer!

Do you know Obama has never had a real campaign - His run for State senate he fought his Democrat opponents in court to get them off the ballot, he won the federal senate because no one ran against him that mattered, the person who did pulled out, and then they brought in an out of stater to run.

Posted by: spock | Apr 17, 2008 1:34:46 PM

If you play back the debate, rarely does Obama EVER answer the questions..... he always judges the questions asked...... he just can't answer anything straight forward.

Obama is the one spinning.

Obama was the one at the parties with AYERS and REZKO and PLEASE folks do not forget AUCHI.

20 Years, Most Sundays past he was getting charged up with Rev. Wright's words of wisdom.... Rev.Wright's golden boy, and now he is getting asked questions of his Judgements.....

Don't ever expect a straight answer from this guy

Posted by: carpenter.nyc | Apr 17, 2008 1:30:51 PM

WOW! Obama is asked a few hard questions and his supporters freak-out. This is just a warm-up for what he will be in for IF he wins the nomination. Remember MSM is owned by large corporations and they favor republicans.

Posted by: Ken | Apr 17, 2008 1:30:48 PM

Obama supporters Open your eyes already, the man is a sharlinton , a sham, a oil snakes salesman.

He babbled on the economy questions , he tried skipping questions about his judgement

As far as the one post about Hilaries connections not being able to fill this page, Obama's coonections to terrorists could not fill the internet,

He donates money to a Islamic front Group called CAIR, and to his racist mentor, and then a small amount to the NAACP.

So who is he more for the terrorists or the Blacks??

Posted by: spock | Apr 17, 2008 1:27:52 PM

OVER WORDS....lol

Posted by: carpenter.nyc | Apr 17, 2008 1:21:10 PM

ABC did a FANTASTIC JOB last night !

Everyone is talking now ----what everyone wants to know more about.....


Obama looked as if he wanted to kick Hillary's a$$..... and I loved the way Hillary was looking back at him like--- what?... what did I say that got you upset?....

This woman can hold her own, not physically but MENTALLY she can hold her opponent down,

Being a President, you have to be able to keep your cool, and put on your best poker face when you meet with all the world leaders..... meeting with China etc etc--- you can't look weak and guilty--- you have to look like you OWN IT and she came across as someone I can stand behind.......

We are one of the most powerful countries in the world, we cannot afford to lose it to a man who gets upset and flustered WORDS....!!

Posted by: carpenter.nyc | Apr 17, 2008 1:20:26 PM

What a couple of ill-informed, bad-tempered buffoons the two interviewers are. Stupid, irrelevent questions. Attack questions for Obama, carefully selected fawning questions for Hillary.

A FLAG PIN??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

And the debate was sponsored by an organization with Bill and Hillary on its board.

I SMELL SOMETHING REALLY BAD IN HERE ... must be a very smelly conflict of interest.

Fire those two morons, and bring back the League of Women Voters.

Ugh. ABC, you owe the American people an apology.

Posted by: Laurie Todd | Apr 17, 2008 1:11:45 PM

To all the medias why you put the guy in the ring who doesn't know how to fight, he doesn't has record to brags, he will get beat easily by Rep. Shame on you medias

Posted by: Kupuku | Apr 17, 2008 1:10:49 PM

Obama's campaign has been publicly pushing a flirtation with Jimmy Carter. This is the same Jimmy Carter that just met with Hamas. I had a lot of respect for Carter up until this very moment, he has completely disappointed me. I'm sure Obama's campaign will still welcome his endorsement, though.

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 17, 2008 1:10:00 PM

The first 50 minutes of the so-called debate were a sad disappointment and not what I have come to expect from a major network with decades of news experience. There are so many issues worth exploring...and that voters care about..but the former Clinton aide & Charlie Gibson chose to descend to the level of the lowest supermarket tabloid lackeys. Shame on you...you know better and you can certainly do better.

Posted by: Wendy | Apr 17, 2008 1:08:45 PM

patricia,
calm down, geo and charlie will not lose their jobs.
Is
chris matthews still working
keith olberman still working
anderson cooper
andrea mitchell
jack cafferty
wolf blitzer
have they taken CNN off the air?
is MSNBC still up and running?

if all of these people are still working
charlie and george will be too.

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 17, 2008 1:08:34 PM

AGREE 100 % with someone, cindy Aand skery,
Great work ABC. Finally someone had the audacity to ask some genuine questions to the so called "can do no wrong Obama". His connections to all these anti-american cults should be investigated. That is exactly what George and Charlie did. GREAT JOB

Posted by: Linda | Apr 17, 2008 1:07:51 PM

"Obama does not know what a capital gains tax is. He started babbling about the INCOME of hedgefund managers."

He doesn't have to actually KNOW anything, or to take any positions that might dis-endear him to the right. Obama's meant to be a figure-head for the very same corporate white guys who've ALREADY wrecked the economy, the media, etc.

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | Apr 17, 2008 1:07:22 PM

Shame on you ABC so called news (what a joke)! Shame on you! Why in the first place would you have a former employee of the Clintons "moderating" this lynching? Shame on you! The complete inability to ask anything midly significant or to even attempt to seem balance for a second!!!! What a disgrace you are! And, the cheapest misery, not happy enough with owning a lynching and being in the clintons payroll, there goes this sorry disgrace taking questions from Sean Hannity. Gives me nausea. I am not exaggerating. Gives me nausea. I did not think that anybody other than dictators and genocides gave me nausea. You do. Filthy disgraces. Thanks God we are a democracy. Your sorry careers will see the effect of this ignomity. Shame on you.

Posted by: Patricia A., Brooklyn | Apr 17, 2008 1:04:44 PM

Hillary had a 20+ lead in PA, remember?

Today's new Zogby poll in Pennsylvania finds Sen. Hillary Clinton barely edging Sen. Barack Obama, 45% to 44% with 12% undecided.

Key findings: "Clinton leads by a wide margin in western Pennsylvania, including Pittsburgh, while Obama leads by a large percentage in eastern Pennsylvania, including Philadelphia. In the central part of the state, including the state capital of Harrisburg, Clinton leads by eight points."

Posted by: watson | Apr 17, 2008 12:49:46 PM

Tabloid issues? I don't recall Obama being asked about his relationships to Larry Sinclair and Donald Young?

Posted by: geevill | Apr 17, 2008 12:41:43 PM

What happened to the issues guys? Pins? Church leaders? Sniper fire? George, I bought your book and used to admire you. The more you soft shoe around the conservatives on your show, and the tone of this debate makes me wish I never had. I actually wanted to see a real intelligent debate, instead, I got Rupert Murdoch style tabloid questions that focus on sensationalism. ABC News who once held some prestige, has sullied the reputation of solid journalists like Peter Jennings. Shame, shame. Our country needed to know what they will do about our economy, the war and health care, not gaffes and redundant responses to gaffes!

Posted by: Jeff Cummings | Apr 17, 2008 12:37:26 PM

"He wants to be president of our country. We deserve to know everything about him. And I believe who he associates with does matter to the security of our country."

While I agree that who they work with matters, I do beleive there should be a limit to it. How far removed does someone need to be to not be considered indellibly linked to a candidates ideology?

We want someone who can unite us and get things done, right? Well, that means they'll have to be willing to talk to or even work with people who have a different point of view. That's been a theme of a lot of Obama's past relationships.

Every time Clinton points out something like this, it only highlights how isolated and protectionist her administration will be, and how inclusive and progressive Obama's will be.

For the record, I beleive this cuts both ways. I don't think its any more relevant that Bill pardoned the 2 Weathermen.

Posted by: fontapa | Apr 17, 2008 12:35:38 PM

This was topflight journalism at its worst. This was ABC's old, flimsy history with threadbare sizzle packaged as news.

It was a tabloid debate with tabloid questions. Matt Drudge come to life on a respectable stage. From what I subsequently discovered, they actually, eventually got around to real issues -- after over an hour. But watching it for a mere 45 minutes made me feel almost seedy. I wanted to shower to get the smarm off. I love news, I admire professional journalists, I cherish the Mainstream Media, even when they flounder, because it is the core of democracy. But this was embarrassing. This was pathetic. This was just a cheesy press conference with cheesy questions.

Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos should be ashamed. I'm sure they have all of their reasons wrapped nicely with a bow, explaining why they asked what they asked and why it was proper and good and noble. Sorry, it wasn't. They put this on in prime time across the nation, and turned it into a slimy, Fox Network reality show. A cross between Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire? and Temptation Island. Something like, So, You Want to Be President?!

This was a disservice to America.

Posted by: elisberg | Apr 17, 2008 12:33:46 PM

obama has the msm, the dnc, the print media all pulling for him.
and all of the media job is to try and help the dnc, bring hillary clinton down.
they cannot do it on hoping she will slip up on the issues-she will not-she knows what the issues are and how to solve them-they cannot get her on that.
so the other way they try to bring her down is to sway things obamas way.
he will not make a good president we are just getting the dem. party left wing version on the rep. geo. bush.
if you want to know the story behind all of these newspapers endorsing obama
go to 100 top newspapers in the usa
it will list every newspaper, where they are located and who owns them
now after you find out who owns them
even if the newspaper has not endorsed anyone-start to map it. you will see
just how many of the 100 are in the pocket for obama. and it is not necessarily because the editorial boards disagree with sen. clinton-it is because the own(s) are in the pocket for obama.
obama is not the new style of politician
he has become the best candidate money can buy.
I might-just might have had a little respect for obama if he being a fresh face on the scene had new fresh faces working for him-and they really went against the washington scene and got themselves this far. but what obama is the front man for old blood (and loser blood-I might add)axelrod, dean,kerry,bradley,dashle, richardson, and co. these people are just about as old established washington as they get.
they are all "sour grape' contemporaries of the clintons-the clintons are more moderate dems. and this kerry,dean, left wing crew have been trying to hijack the dem party for a long time-
obama will not bring real progressive change to this country. what we will get is a rehash of the late sixties and seventies. except this time it will be worst. wait and see-obama and co. will not be able to bring the troops home.
4k dead now-after the left-wing of the dem party gets in-can you say "another vietnam all over again-boy we didn't see that coming"
and you can keep going over the hillary bosnia thing if you want to.
but answer me this, obama refered to his association to these radical people as flimsy-ayers-(william ayers gave 200dollars to obamas campaign)wright,etc.
but we should ask ourselves why does he have all of these ties to these radical
patriotically challenged people?
if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck-and ducks of a feather-quack together.
obama espouses some of the very views of these people he associates with.
(no matter what he tell us now that he wants to be potus) and axelrod, kerry and bradley would be supporters of some of these views also.
and don't get me started on the black people-hillary was winning the black support-as she should have-and the obama people knew they had to change that somehow-SO IT WAS OBAMAS CAMP THAT INTRO THE RACE CARD-NOT THE CLINTONS
OBAMA HAD TO BRING UP RACE IN SOMEWAY TO CUT INTO THE CLINTON SUPPORT.
OBAMA BROUGHT UP THE RACE THING-NOT THE CLINTONS
and if he gets to be president-he will repay the black people with just what he thinks they should have-a chance to go and fight in his new vietnam-and if you make it back-you can go to college-head trauma-and all.
wake up people-obama is not the one.

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 17, 2008 12:33:04 PM

MOST IMPORTANT OUTCOME OF THIS DEBATE?

FOX News reports thet three Pennsylvania superdelegates are switching from Clinton to Obama because of the negative tone of the debate.

THANK YOU ABC FOR THE GOOD WORK!!!

Posted by: petra | Apr 17, 2008 12:32:38 PM


I agree too.

"I AGREE WITH CINDY:
I am so thankful ABC had the courage to ask the tough questions of Obama.

He wants to be president of our country. We deserve to know everything about him. And I believe who he associates with does matter to the security of our country.

Thanks Charlie and George. I know you will be sharply ridiculed by the Obama supporters. But you did the right thing."

Posted by: Victor | Apr 17, 2008 12:31:15 PM

When the Media decide to focus on tabloid issues, the American people lose. We are facing multitude of problems and challenges at home and losing our credibility abroad. We need ethical journalism.

The let down of the public by the media at last night’s debate is obvious by the discussions on this blog. The American citizens deserve better.

The next day’s discussion is about the trivial issues than discussing the real policies and platforms that matters most to the American people.

The media suppose to inform and direct the general public to focus on real political issues and problems facing our country at home and abroad. Instead the public were distracted and deceived. I am very disappointed that Charlie Gibson accepted this role to help Hillary Clinton demean Barack Obama’s character. Barack has integrity and believes in uniting the party, building the coalition, and move our country beyond Hillary Clinton’s tricks and lies.

Posted by: Betty | Apr 17, 2008 12:30:50 PM

I AGREE WITH CINDY:
I am so thankful ABC had the courage to ask the tough questions of Obama.

He wants to be president of our country. We deserve to know everything about him. And I believe who he associates with does matter to the security of our country.

Thanks Charlie and George. I know you will be sharply ridiculed by the Obama supporters. But you did the right thing.


Posted by: Skerry | Apr 17, 2008 12:27:55 PM

I always admired Charles Gibson and chose to watch his national news show every evening. After last night's embarrassing debacle, I'll rethink that. Both he and Stephanapoulos sounded like gossip columnists, only interested in the superficial and incendiary. How could they sink so low? Did someone tell them to ask those ridiculous questions? The only one who kept his dignity was Obama.

Posted by: MizLiz | Apr 17, 2008 12:25:34 PM

mooen...you go....and you are so right...I saw pictures of Chelsea,Ed Rendal...all Clinton people( probably the same group in the negative ad she is running).
Same in ABC..very prejudgeous.

Posted by: cindyct | Apr 17, 2008 12:24:36 PM

Great work ABC. Finally someone had the audacity to ask some genuine questions to the so called "can do no wrong Obama". His connections to all these anti-american cults should be investigated. That is exactly what George and Charlie did. GREAT JOB.

American people deserves to know whether they are electing a member of the Black Panther community or Weather Underground.

Posted by: Soemone | Apr 17, 2008 12:24:16 PM

Thank you, George and Charlie
It was a good debate and excellent questions.

Posted by: stephanie | Apr 17, 2008 12:23:49 PM

cindyct:

Both candidates are quite capable of beating McCain, even with the baggage that either would bring to the General Election.

The key is to get behind that candidate, no matter how strongly we support our chosen candidate, and no matter how disappointed we are that the particular historical moment we supported will not come to fruition this election cycle.

Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!

Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | Apr 17, 2008 12:23:02 PM

You can debate about who one or didn't win last night...but the BIG question is who can beat McCain. Let's hope we nominate the one who can

Posted by: cindyct | Apr 17, 2008 12:13:56 PM

"I’m a pretty darn good politician."

Darn good at "post-partisan" preening, and at being placed in electoral positions by corporate white guys.

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | Apr 17, 2008 12:13:44 PM

The hosts,Charlie and George were very insulting to the Nation for their insignificant questions during the first 45 minutes of the program...Shame on you ABC.

Posted by: KBC | Apr 17, 2008 12:13:25 PM

3 question attacking obama by the moderators (WRIGHT + WILLIW? + BITTER)

"ZERO" question attackig HIllary by moderaor

1 question attacking hillary by viewer (Sniper Fire)

1 question attacking Obama by viewer (flag pin..compare that to sniper fire)

And....who were the adience? just CHELSEA, Ed RENDALL, NUTTER....where did they hide the obama supporters?

GEORGE was scared CARVILLE WILL CALL HIM JUDAS otherwise....after all he was Bill's CAMPAIGN ADVISOR and PRSS SEC.

Posted by: moeen | Apr 17, 2008 12:12:02 PM

jgaw....Ya her plan is to flip flopon the issues until she gets them right...she sounds like Kerry.....a few years ago

Posted by: cindyct | Apr 17, 2008 12:11:41 PM

The questions were softballs really, but obama usually gets tee-ball questions.

Obama wants to give speeches where he controls what is said. he cannot handle being asked questions (remember 8 questions got him flustered) He constantly digs himself into a hole trying to spin and re-spin his remarks because he feels he is always right and everyone is simply not getting it.

Posted by: geevill | Apr 17, 2008 12:11:02 PM

NEW RASMUSSEN POLL -

IN CALIFORNIA, OBAMA IS STRONGER AGAINST MCCAIN THAN CLINTON

DEMOCRATS, WAKE UP AND UNITE!!!

Posted by: mathman | Apr 17, 2008 12:10:38 PM

Wow - he is getting more and more arrogant. I get put off every time he acts as thought he already is the president, but this is another one of his moments that I just shake my head at...

In a speech to Jewish community leaders in Philadelphia, the Democratic presidential candidate, Obama said: “Let me make one last point about the comparison to McGovern and Dukakis, both excellent men, but I’m a pretty darn good politician. And I can give a pretty good speech and I can connect and inspire the American people in ways that I think will become apparent. I wouldn’t be here if I wasn’t pretty good at mixing it up.”

Let's see if the news decides this is worthy to investigate further.

Posted by: Andrea | Apr 17, 2008 12:09:15 PM

did you all know there are approx. 535 mayor in PA...so you think 100 ( 19 showed up ) is a good percentage?

Posted by: cindyct | Apr 17, 2008 12:08:23 PM

This debate was a total sham...it was VERY one sided...the whole first half hour was an Obama bash...shame on you ABC...we wanted to hear about issues, we have already seen and heard all about Bosnia, "bitter" and Rev W for the last 6 months...I wanted to hear issues... At least Obama was a gentleman and didn't bash Hillary on Bosnia...I credit him that. he wanted to talk issues....the war, the economy,gas prices....ZEEeeeezz

Posted by: cindyct | Apr 17, 2008 12:04:53 PM

Obama could not handle the pressure. The Puzzled look on his face, he kept getting, was worrisome.

I do not beleive he can take on McCain and the republican machine.

I do not think He can run this country.

He is weak, he evades and eludes and talks around most issues and Never gives details about his polices (when he is not flip-flopping on them)

He has lied on his friends and associates to many times. When the subject of them comes up he falls apart.
Remember they are the people who have backed him, paid his way to get here, They are the wind beneath his wings, he owes them dearly. He has sold them out and lied about them. He says he has denounced them, sperated himself from them, for how long? Shows extreme character flaw.

Worse is he will not and has not, put all his lies together with the stories and told the truth yet. Which shows his life over the past 20 years has been a lie and his life is a lie now.

Does he actually think he controls everyo