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NRA Lobbyist: Despite New Rhetoric, Clinton's "Name is Synonymous With Gun Control, Like Rosie O'Donnell"

April 13, 2008 9:23 AM

Given the new "Second Amendment" rhetoric of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, (see the New York Times' Julie Bosman's "Clinton Portrays Herself as a Pro-Gun Churchgoer" ) I thought it might behoove hunters to hear what the NRA thinks about all Clinton trying to "out-gun" Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois.

"I'm not surprised by this," says Chris Cox, the chief lobbyist of the NRA. "They know that its bad politics to be on the wrong side of the gun issue. The political graveyard is full of gun control supporters and they are trying to avoid the same fate."

Will Clinton be able to sell this new self to gun rights enthusiasts and hunters?

"Her name is synonymous with gun control, like Rosie O'Donnell," says Cox, so she will have "a very, very tough time."

- jpt

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MM wrote:
"Bill's primary focus was to get the automatic assault weapons off the streets."

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The so-called "assault weapons" ban only banned semi-auto rilfes, it did NOT ban fully automatic rifles. The two types of rifles are very different. The ban was a bait and switch tactic that fooled you and others who are ignorant about firearms. They pretended the law was about machine guns with the scary labels "assault weapons" and "AK-47" and "Uzi", when the law only applied to semi-auto rifles.

The only two federal laws regarding fully automatic weapons are NFA(1934), and FOPA(1986).

Posted by: JMullen | Apr 14, 2008 3:39:28 PM

Amazing! Hillary wants to paint Obama as an elitist and out of touch. This, after her husband made a fortune off "public service" and after treating the White House as his own personal playground and leaving in disgrace. Oh, I forgot Bill is not running and this is not a "two for one" like Bill promised in 1992....Right! America does not need Clinton Act II. Wake up Democrats! It was the Clintons who begat GWB and it will be the Clintons that hand the presidency back to the Republicans once again...

Posted by: indy_voter | Apr 14, 2008 11:34:52 AM

Kenny from CT, Obama is "no uniter". Oh, and Hillary is? I have never seen anyone more divisive in public life than the Clintons. Even Nixon wasn't as divisive...

Posted by: indy_voter | Apr 14, 2008 11:20:53 AM

Hillary is against the second amendment.

Hillary is against allowing DC residents to have concealed handguns.

Hillary is taking the side of district of columbia against heller.


On every issue Hillary takes the liberal side on gun control. For her to portray herself as a friend of the second amendment is a disgrace. The Clintons lie about everything.

Hillary against allowing guns in parks.

Hillary against dc residents having concealed handguns.

Hillary for the assault weapons ban.

Hillary for americans having to pass a test to own a gun.

Hillary for americans having to be put in a database to own a gun.

Hillary against gun shows.

Hillary for suing gun manufacturers.

Hillary on every issue takes the side of the left on gun control.

Fine but then don't come out before pennsylvania and make it like you are a sportsman.

The media isn't hitting her on her lies. You notice she didn't say this before the new york primary.

How can someone like Hillary who lies about EVERYTHING even be considered for president.

Posted by: Jason | Apr 14, 2008 7:56:35 AM

Why is it that people associate Hillary with Bill when they think something he did was bad... but dis-associate the 2 when something he did was good? You can't have it both ways!

I will not speak about her record on gun control since she became a senator because I don't know. But I will say that Bill's primary focus was to get the automatic assault weapons off the streets. And I'm sorry NRA, but I think that was a good thing. We don't need criminals, thugs and murderers walking around carrying automatic weapons fire. These weapons were created for military use for 1 thing... to kill people. To gun entheusists, they may be cool to own, but you don't need an automatic weapon to go deer hunting.

And you DEFINATELY do NOT want to put one of these assault weapons in the hands of Cheney. Bullets are alot bigger and more deadly than bird shot.

Posted by: MM | Apr 14, 2008 7:25:00 AM

We know Clinton suck, but the country is wealthy under Clinton. Certainly Hillay can be better President than Obama.

Posted by: Tindh | Apr 13, 2008 7:59:37 PM

Diana said:

"I'm just trying to figure out why a supporter of Obama would call him a "public servant" in contrast to Hillary. They hold the same job. Why is he a public servant, and she is not? And he's plenty wealthy."

Maybe because he's serving a state with which he has a long association, while Clinton is a carpetbagger who chose New York because she felt it presented the best opportunity to advance her career?

Just one possible reason!

Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!!

Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | Apr 13, 2008 5:30:35 PM

Wow, "theda" has been busy today. I've seen that same comment posted several times today. I do enjoy seeing people who claim "privvy" information like sitting in on meetings. Very special.

I'm just trying to figure out why a supporter of Obama would call him a "public servant" in contrast to Hillary. They hold the same job. Why is he a public servant, and she is not? And he's plenty wealthy.

Now that I've read some of the comments here, and read statements from the NRA, I'm off to take a shower. I feel dirty.

Posted by: Diana | Apr 13, 2008 5:24:58 PM

Jack51,

I am not a Clinton surrpogate, whatever that is. I am a Clinton supporter. I am 4th generation Cambridge. I am a townie, working class person who "clings to my religion, while toting a gun to Mass every Sunday morning, out of despair." LOL. I am from the other side of the tracks, not Harvard.

Posted by: countallthevotes | Apr 13, 2008 5:18:28 PM

Theda,

I am amazed that as a noted sociologist you would rest on the discrepancy between the incomes of the Obamas and the Clintons to somehow support your assertion that it is unconscionable that Hillary would call Obama elitist.

Elitism has no annual income requirement. I am 4th generation Cambridge. Cambridge is replete with town/gown friction. It matters not whether it is a Harvard grad student making 15K annually or a full professor. The snobbery and elitism and condescension toward the townies are well documented.

And, by the way, as you well know, the Clintons certainly did not always enjoy the mega incomes. They, too, sought public service early on in their careers.


Posted by: countallthevotes | Apr 13, 2008 5:12:05 PM

Wow, Countallthevotes, are you a Clinton surrogate? Googling the few "real" names that show up on these pages?

Wow!

And who are you, prey tell, and what are your own biases???

Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!

Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | Apr 13, 2008 5:09:08 PM

I was once an admirer of the Clinton's but the blinders are off. They will clearly say anything--no matter how manipulative or hypocritical or just plain untrue--to get back in the White House. And why not? Selling power and influence has made them very wealthy.

Posted by: Andy | Apr 13, 2008 4:45:00 PM


I have been in meetings with the Clintons and their advisors where very clinical things were said in a very-detached tone about unwillingness of working class voters to trust government -- and Bill Clinton -- and about their unfortunate (from a Clinton perspective) proclivity to vote on life-style rather than economic issues. To see Hillary going absolutely over the top to smash Obama for making clearly more humanly sympathetic observations in this vein, is just amazing. Even more so to see her pretending to be a gun-toting non-elite. Give us a break!

I wonder if she realizes that gaining a few days of lurid publicity that might reach a slice of voters is going to cost her a great deal in the regard of many Democrats, whose strong support she will need if she somehow claws her way to the nomination -- and even more so if she does not clinch the nomination. The distribution of "we're not bitter" stickers to her campaign rallies is the height of over-the-top crudity, and the reports are that very few audience members seem to have much enthusiasm for this nonsense. Not surprisingly, people cannot see the reasons for so much fuss.

Yes, she wants a big break, she desperately wants the nomination she and Bill believe is hers by right. We all know that. But where is her authenticity and her dignity and her sense of any proportion?

This has to be one of the few times in U.S. political history when a multi-millionaire has accused a much less wealthy fellow public servant, a person of the same party and views who made much less lucrative career choices, of "elitism"! (I won't say the only time, because U.S. political history is full of absurdities of this sort.) In a way, it is funny -- and it may not be long before the jokes start.

Posted by: Theda Skocpol | Apr 13, 2008 4:20:54 PM

Obama made similar comments on Charlie Rose in Nov. of 2004. Nothing like be consistent. And then he hadn't even been sworn into the Senate yet.

Posted by: Peg | Apr 13, 2008 2:47:37 PM

Gun toting republicans are not going to vote democrat anyway.

Posted by: Ken | Apr 13, 2008 2:32:54 PM

I can't even believe that bush is going to go against all advice and go to the opening ceremony of the China Olympic Games. He'll do just what he pleases----he always has. He just wants the notoriety of becoming the first American President to attend an Olympic Games in a foreign country----he doesn't care about anything but himself.

Posted by: Where's the REAL Democratic Party? | Apr 13, 2008 2:27:33 PM

Where's the REAL Democratic Party?

Two things, one: I agree with you. two: I didn't vote for Bush...

Posted by: Bill | Apr 13, 2008 2:23:56 PM

So, are you saying that the Clinton's are Racist?

Posted by: Where's the REAL Democratic Party? | Apr 13, 2008 2:19:18 PM

Where's the REAL Democratic Party?

Bush didn't cheat on his wife, then said to the whole world that it didn't happen...

Posted by: Bill | Apr 13, 2008 2:16:22 PM


Apparently, per Gallup poll his comments have not affected Mr. Obama's standing. Of course, many liberal pundits have turned his attempt to trying to tell different things to different people as utter honesty. Certainly, there is something amiss here.
As with the Rev. Wright controversy, Mr. Obama has deflected attention once again from his insincere and "chameleonic" nature.
In the church controversy, the focus should have been on him and not Rev. Wright. And in this case, the focus should be on the consistencies between his remark and his stand on "separarist" religion, anti-NATFA, and his embrace of second Amendment.
As long as the Wallaces, Coopers, Kings, Russets and Simons dominate the people will not be informed of truth.
And, how can we justify going to Fox to get the truth.
So 'hoodwinked' we will be thanks to award-winning journalists.
It is choice of being 'hoodwinked' or being labeled a 'racist'.

Posted by: Onlooker | Apr 13, 2008 2:09:59 PM

Bill.....you are a Bush supporter, aren't you? I did not vote EITHER TIME for him, I am proud to say.

Posted by: Where's the REAL Democratic Party? | Apr 13, 2008 2:05:32 PM

I just saw an interesting speaker on C-SPAN-----it was a woman who has done research on what the Media and reporters have said about "Women running for President" from 1874 Shirley Chisholm) to today......they have consistantly denied that women can become leaders because "Women are emotional" and because "Women can't deal with crises". This attitude that prevails in the Media, still today, even---contributes to the MYTHS that women cannot be strong leaders.

It was an Excellent show !! And HOW TRUE !!

In fact, there have been women in History that have been very powerful leaders and have handled many crises very effectively.....they are just "swept under the rug" by people who are threatened by a woman as a leader (and I am also referring to women, as well as men, so I am not "male-bashing" like some of you want to accuse me of).

Posted by: Where's the REAL Democratic Party? | Apr 13, 2008 2:02:37 PM

Hillary and Bill will bring dignity back to the White House, good luck with that one...

Posted by: Bill | Apr 13, 2008 2:02:20 PM

Here this everyone .

ANYONE who thinks Barack Obama can CHANGE washington is a BIGGER IDIOT than I can even imagine.

Is this honestly why obama lovers STILL want him to win after the Wright Scandal and now this ridiculous bitter gun totin bible thumping stereotype?

You STILL want him to be president? How?

You have to be in such THICK denial to STILL want this clown to represent all americans.

He clearly DOESNT REPRESENT ALL AMERICANS. He has now said so himself.

He represents LIBERALS.

Posted by: tomdavie | Apr 13, 2008 1:31:20 PM

Here this everyone .

ANYONE who thinks Barack Obama can CHANGE washington is a BIGGER IDIOT than I can even imagine.

Is this honestly why obama lovers STILL want him to win after the Wright Scandal and now this ridiculous bitter gun totin bible thumping stereotype?

You STILL want him to be president? How?

You have to be in such THICK denial to STILL want this clown to represent all americans.

He clearly DOESNT REPRESENT ALL AMERICANS. He has now said so himself.

He represents LIBERALS.

Posted by: tomdavie | Apr 13, 2008 1:25:49 PM

What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party?
what happened, you leaving? truth hurts?
you are more than welcome to defend your person, but bring something better than Hillary or Bill's records, the 90's are over!!

Posted by: Bill | Apr 13, 2008 1:25:01 PM

Where's the REAL Democratic Party? writes:
"There you boys go again, obsessing with the Bill Clinton thing...apparently our other Democratic popular politician men couldn't keep their pants zipped, either, but you say nothing about that..."
-----
Obama, you mean? Certainly the press is conspicuously absent on that one. Should Obama -- heaven forfend! -- become the Democratic nominee, the Republicans won't be.

Posted by: Navarro | Apr 13, 2008 1:23:25 PM

With the Clintons, it always comes back to China. The Chinese government funneled money into Clinton’s re-election campaign in 1996 in a major fund-raising scandal. Clinton managed to survive it, but questions about China’s connections to the Norman Hsu and other fund-raising scandals for Hillary’s bid still remain.

Posted by: liu | Apr 13, 2008 1:18:31 PM

There you boys go again, obsessing with the Bill Clinton thing......apparently our other Democratic popular politician men couldn't keep their pants zipped, either, but you say nothing about that.....

Posted by: Where's the REAL Democratic Party? | Apr 13, 2008 1:16:23 PM

Is including the NRA guy's reference to Rosie O'Donnell (an Obama supporter, it seems -- and who'dda thunk she's be anti-gun?! Maybe she isn't: maybe the NRA guy made it up?) somewhat anti-woman?

I sure don't think Rosie O'Donnell (who's probably best-known for 1. presenting her butt after sort of singing the national anthem, and 2. suggesting publicly what many privately believe, that 9-11 was an inside job) is the first person most people think of when thinking of "gun control".

Most comments here seem NOT to have to do with guns. The Democratic "leadership" is anti-gun, God knows why.

Maybe the idea that the citizenry can dissolve this imperfect union with wrist-rockets appeals to them more than the Second Amendment -- which, like it or not, was meant to guarantee the American people the means to overthrow an illegitimate government. Which seems kind of quaint, maybe, under present technological circumstances.

Posted by: Navarro | Apr 13, 2008 1:13:42 PM

I have to say I will be happy when this is all done and you all spouting your bologne about Obama and blind support of this woman that MOST of America doesn't like (now even more clearly after this campaign, because of people like me who use to blindly hang on to her as our only hope...foooled as I was... I am glad we were lucky enough to wake up) ...

You all have done so much blind damage with not opening your eyes and listening to anyone besides "your queen" ...I bet more than 3/4 of Obama's supporters have been to Hillary's site and rallies and read her standings (the ones she has) and I bet a tiny percentage of the Hillary supporters have actually gone and done the same (and only you all personally know if you have gone to a site or rally)... You see the predominance of Obama supporters are people who took the time to get to know a second candidate...openly and truthfully in many cases through their own protectiveness of the Clintons.

I am so glad that the reigns of the Clintons and Bushes are almost over. I bet there will be a good chance she doesn't even regain her seat in the Senate after people have finally realize how she risked this all for her own career and "right" to the nomination and all we got out of it was the damage she's done to the party from putting her own career and leadership above the policies that the party stands for (and yes Florida and Michigan not being counted has more to do with the people running her campaign and supporters ...go look up the hearings the DNC had about the rules of the delegate selection process...thank you Rendell, Ferraro and McAuliffe...oh and Clinton who agreed not to count there votes)...

To all of you with your angry vitriol toward anyone who woke up from the 15 year sleep... I say soon...

Ding Dong duh doo doo doo... duh doo doo doo.

Posted by: dl | Apr 13, 2008 1:08:17 PM

I didn't say that Hillary and McCain are Saints.......I WILL say, however, that Hillary has the Plans and the SOLUTIONS to get America BACK ON TRACK-----and she is articulate, clear, has much knowledge of the issues facing America, and is the best person to lead this country out of the Depression we are sliding in to now.......

Posted by: Where's the REAL Democratic Party? | Apr 13, 2008 1:06:40 PM

.....it won't work, Mickey Blue......

Posted by: Where's the REAL Democratic Party? | Apr 13, 2008 1:03:42 PM

What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party?

So what you are saying is that Obama has lied a lot more for the time he's been a senator than Hillary has and MC, put together, Hillary and MC are saints!
Obama must be stopped, I guess he can't count your vote...

Posted by: Bill | Apr 13, 2008 1:03:05 PM

"wrong Clinton"?

Bill and Hillary enjoy shared bank accounts and both (plus Chelsea) are running the Clinton Foundation. Here's more on China:

Foreign contributions to American-based charities are allowed under U.S. law, but political and philanthropy ethics advocates worry that Bill Clinton's reliance on international businesses and foreign governments to finance his worldwide charity campaigns raise issues of potential conflicts of interest if he were to take an active role in his wife's administration.

"This is a perfect example of why it's critical for both Clintons to provide prompt and complete disclosure of all their sources of income, not just personal sources but also his foundation," said Sheila Krumholz, executive director for the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, a government reform advocacy group.

The Clinton foundation and the former president's library in Little Rock have received millions of dollars in donations from the Saudi royal family and the Middle East sheikdoms of the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and Qatar, along with the governments of Taiwan and Brunei.

Fueled by such cash, the foundation has grown into a worldwide philanthropic dynamo, using its financial clout and influence with business leaders to streamline solutions for logistical logjams that have long plagued charity operations. The foundation has pressed to lower the price of expensive AIDS medications and set up long-term projects across the Third World.

But like many charities, the Clinton foundation maintains a strict policy of keeping its donations confidential to protect the privacy of donors. Still, partial lists have emerged in the foundation's tax filings and in press accounts, leading to growing scrutiny of the activities of some contributors.

Some human rights activists suggest that the Clinton foundation's contribution from Alibaba undermines his wife's outspoken stance on China's internal crackdown.

"A former president of the United States received a donation from a Chinese firm that is involved in censorship, and now his wife is running for president. This is a shame of the U.S.," said Harry Wu, an exiled Chinese activist based in Washington.

Posted by: gregory | Apr 13, 2008 12:58:21 PM

Polls do not matter. Polls said OH primary was a dead heat between Hillay and Obama... did you not see what happened?

Posted by: GS | Apr 13, 2008 12:54:46 PM

Bill: news flash: (are you THAT naive?) ALL POLITICAL CANDIDATES LIE.

obama takes the cake----his contradictions/lies/untruths-----whatever you want to CALL them----outnumber Hillary AND McCain TOGETHER.

Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | Apr 13, 2008 12:54:41 PM

Gregory,

Regarding your breaking news, wrong Clinton. Nice try dude.
========================================
Obama supporters, helping us forget that Obama jumped the shark!
========================================

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Apr 13, 2008 12:54:05 PM

BREAKING NEWS
Bill Clinton, China linked via his foundation

Eugene Hoshiko, Associated Press
IN HANGZHOU: President Clinton gave the keynote address at a 2005 conference organized by Alibaba, hailing the Internet as “an inherently cooperative instrument.”

A firm that has donated to the president's charity is accused of collaborating with the government in its crackdown on Tibetan activists. Hillary Clinton has spoken out against China's actions.

(whole report in the LA Times)

Posted by: gregory | Apr 13, 2008 12:51:37 PM

What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party?

I don't think any of the three candidates are any good, but Hillary, to me, seems to be the worst of the three, a lot of people don't liked getting lied too, but when she lies a lot, like she has been, it's pretty scary...

Posted by: Bill | Apr 13, 2008 12:43:36 PM

jgaw: here's what should happen (especially since the Michigan and Florida votes won't be counted):

After ALL of the states have voted for the Democrat Nominee that they want, there should be a just-Democrat vote on how the Superdelegates should vote.

It is apparent that obama is trying to buy the Superdelegates-----and IN AMERICA, this is wrong. An election should not be able to be "bought" (Look, the Clinton's could easily sink their whole $106 million dollar fortune into their campaign and blow obama away, but they KNOW buying a campaign is WRONG).

Thus: the Democratic America people should vote (and those states Florida and Michigan would get a chance for THEIR VOTES to count), and the SuperDelegates honor what the outcome of that is. Howard Dean could pay for it all.

Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | Apr 13, 2008 12:41:39 PM

Thinking: obama may "bring new people to get involved with politics", but an obama Nomination will run off MORE people than it "brings in by inspiration"-----that is the TRUTH. Watch.

Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | Apr 13, 2008 12:34:03 PM

To ME, Bill, a "bad line of thinking" and lack of judgement is about as bad as it can get. Lying assumes that you know the difference between the truth and a mistruth. "A particular line of thinking" cannot really be changed---the person can't change what their basic belief system is. To admit a lie can. That's why obama is WRONG for America-----he has entrenched, rigid beliefs and does not understand the people he is trying to unify.

Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | Apr 13, 2008 12:30:04 PM

countallthevotes: thanks for the post: did not know that about the Supreme Court gun control case. It will be interesting to see what transpires.

I live in a large Midwestern city, and have a first-hand look at how guns in the hands of street gangs can kill and mame young black youth in our community, and give bullied school students false-empowerment feelings-----I do not live far from the city where there was the most recent school shooting in a college campus massacre.

I am ALL FOR people to own guns-----but there needs to be stringent standards on how to store them properly, and use them. Hunters could go to their local hunting club and rent guns to go hunting with. The citizens who live in sparse areas of the country need them for wolf control, to kill rattlesnakes, and just general protection. But gangs like in MY city who have killed 15-20 young black males since the start of the year, some so innocently (mistaken identity)----do not need guns to "settle scores" and "protect turf" and threaten everybody else with their drive-by shootings everywhere.

I don't know the answer to Gun Control. The Constitution protects it, but it may be up to states' to regulate it----as you say----because of states' variations. This issue is LONG-OVERDUE in being debated, and something needs to be done about the powerful lobbying FOR guns. There ought to be powerful lobbying AGAINST GUNS in specific cases to counter it. There is NOT.

Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | Apr 13, 2008 12:24:32 PM

Mr. Obama probably wrote off NRA support long ago. Gun owners tend to be conservative and vote accordingly. Mrs. Clinton may get a small boost with her revised position on gun control. It won't affect the outcome but it could make the race tighter giving her a little more bargaining power.

Posted by: texasdemocrat | Apr 13, 2008 12:22:22 PM

I would like to see a list of the things obama and clinton has promised the superdelegates to see if there is any truth to richardson backing him because they gave money to help pay off his presidential debt
and a superdelegate who is supporting obaman because obama gave 10k to him for ?.
where can I get a list of superdelegates and what they are getting in return

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 13, 2008 12:18:16 PM

One of Minnesota's last uncommitted Democratic superdelegates is backing Barack Obama, the Obama campaign announced Sunday.

Nancy Larson, of Dassel, a Democratic National Committee member, told The Associated Press she decided to support Obama because his campaign will bring new people into the political process, and she believes he has the best chance of winning in November.

"It's looking more and more that the one person who can do it is Barack Obama," Larson said.

But Larson said the choice wasn't easy. As one of the last two uncommitted superdelegates in Minnesota, Larson had been lobbied heavily by Obama's and Hillary Clinton's campaigns. She said she spent countless hours speaking with the campaigns and others about her choice.

Larson joins eight other Minnesota superdelegates who are supporting Obama. Three are backing Clinton.

Larson's announcement leaves Rep. Collin Peterson as the only uncommitted superdelegate from the state.

Posted by: Thinking | Apr 13, 2008 12:12:34 PM

He did apologize, but he didn't misspeak
if your wrong your wrong, but don't lie, like Hillary and Bill....

Posted by: Bill | Apr 13, 2008 12:09:51 PM

Bill: it deppends upon the context in whic you say it, and to WHOM (to wealthy Ultra-Liberal Elitists in California).....apparently obama screwed up on BOTH accounts.....he sure is apologizing for the thousands of people he "offended" with it.....

Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | Apr 13, 2008 12:05:45 PM

tomdavie,

I think the NRA has ranked all three candidates with an "F." LOL I do think that Obama is the farthest out there when it comes to gun control though. They have to know that.

Posted by: countallthevotes | Apr 13, 2008 12:04:59 PM

Thinking: Hillary Clinton VERY WELL KNOWS where she stands on issues, especially the ones that affect HARD-WORKING Middle-class Americans. I would bet that you have not even watched Hillary talk in debates or campaigning at all. She is the most intelligent, articulate, and thoroughly knowledgable candidate out of the 3 running for President. She does her homework, and doesn't shoot off her mouth "offending people" and THEN claim to be a "UNITER".

The other two candidates can't see past the people they are trying to please this week.....

Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | Apr 13, 2008 12:03:09 PM

What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party?
Who dosen't cling to something they love or love to do?
pretty much it's how you take it in.
I don't see it in a bad way...

Posted by: Bill | Apr 13, 2008 12:03:01 PM

What happened to the real Democratic Party,

I agree with you. The NRA is way too strident in their positions. I think what you find is marked differences in support of gun control as you go around the country. Large cities have different problems than rural areas. Hunters have very different issues than non-hunters.

I come from a large city in the Northeast. No one I know, other than cops and criminals, have guns. I lived in Wyoming for a year. There everyone has at least one firearm.

I think it is a mistake to have broad legislation on gun control. It is cultural in many parts of the country and guns are really not misused/abused. It is a part of the lifestyle and that needs to be respected.

Let's see what the U.S. Supreme Court does with the case now pending on gun control in DC. It was argued in March.

The justices are being asked to determine whether the Second Amendment recognizes an individual right to bear arms or whether private gun ownership is strictly linked to service in a state militia. The justices' answer could determine whether the District's gun ban stands or falls, and it could have ripple effects throughout the country.

The implications of the case are huge.

Posted by: countallthevotes | Apr 13, 2008 12:02:27 PM

This is ridiculous. ABC comes up with an NRA guy to 'slam clinton' but says NOTHING about the ridiculous comments from Obama???

Thats impossible. Why does an NRA guy have anything to do with this?

Besides, nobody has come out against hunting. Mc Cain, Obama or Clinton.

This is the Liberal media AGAIN trying to smooth over Obama's latest PATHETIC attempt to show he isnt fit to be president.

Posted by: tomdavie | Apr 13, 2008 11:59:13 AM

obama can't run on the issues
without being able to copy what hillary does.

he can't run on the issues because he needs someone to tell him how to run
(he would prefer hillary's plan)
but he will go with what his handlers tell him)

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 13, 2008 11:59:11 AM

Hillary can't run on the issues. She can't seem to remember where she stands.

Posted by: Thinking | Apr 13, 2008 11:50:40 AM

Bill: you need to go back and read the WHOLE QUOTE that obama stated. Yes, he IS wrong, about the end of the quote: that Midwestern Americans cling to guns and religion because they are bitter. THAT is WRONG.

Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | Apr 13, 2008 11:42:11 AM

If you read Risie O'Donnell's response to Tom Selleck (just click on "Rosie O'Donnell in Jakes article above and that's the link to the article)----Rosie O'Donnell is right: the NRA weilds TOO MUCH political power in Washington, with their own money to throw at politicians to "see things THEIR WAY". With the NRA, they are SO RIGID and UNCOMPROMISING in their stance regarding guns. The NRA stance is that AMERICANS DESERVE GUNS NO MARRER WHAT. No, they won't compromise and agree that guns are killing SO MANY adults and children across America because of violence and accessability of guns to small, curious children who think they are "toys"---so they blow their own heads off. The NRA wants ALL AMERICANS AT ALL COSTS TO HAVE GUNS FOR ANYTHING "because it is their 'right' as American citizens".

NEVER MIND that banning guns in certain instances may have kept those many school shooters in the recent past---AND IN THE FUTURE---could have been prevented to access to the guns that they commited their heinous acts with.

Guns need to be kept out of the WRONG HANDS in this country. THAT STANCE IS NOT ANTI-AMERICAN & DOES NOT THREATEN THE RIGHT OF AMERICANS TO HAVE GUNS. It takes it a step further and protects the innocent American citizens who could be harmed with or around guns.

The NRA's black & white, rigid, unbending, and uncompromising stance on guns is WRONG. People are getting killed !! Therre IS a safe way to settle this for the good & safety of ALL AMERICANS----but the NRA, like obama's stance on a compromise on counting the Michigan and Floorida votes and Delegates---just won't budge from their militant "can't change the rules" stance.

Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | Apr 13, 2008 11:38:44 AM

What was it that Obama said that was not true, who's not bitter when they loose their job, they pray or go to their recreation to forget about problems for a while, I know a lot of people who lost their jobs to overseas deals, who wouldn't be pissed. go ahead and vote for Hillary, the person who made deals with China and Colombia...

Posted by: Bill | Apr 13, 2008 11:18:15 AM

'So i misspoke,..well, i'm human,.. to some it's a revelation'....
'shame on you Barak, MEET ME IN OHIO!',...'he's not a muslim,..not that I know of!',....'i opposed NAFTA?!'......'WE MUST PUT AN END TO THE WAR I VOTED FOR'??,...Your words era something out of xerox, but I can copy words from John Edwards or my husband Bill'....Hillary is a joke for a presidential candidate

Posted by: dave desmond | Apr 13, 2008 10:51:17 AM

You can only have reasonable, intelligent debates on issues like gun control if you respect people on both sides of the issue. To say folks are "clinging" to things like guns, religion, etc. shows that you are starting from a place of disrespect and condescension. That is not where you want the president of the United States to be coming from.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | Apr 13, 2008 10:48:58 AM

I think these comments miss the point. Guns are to be respected and enjoyed, but they do kill people. Obama made a ignorant mistake. Guns are a comfort for protection and a necessity for hunting. It is an American right. Obama's message is not the same as Hillarys. Hillary might not meet NRA standards, but she understands the role they play in our culture. The only "clinging" I see going on is Obama trying to cling to his false persona. He is no uniter.

Posted by: Kenny from CT. | Apr 13, 2008 10:44:53 AM

Once you are a liar, you always remain so. We all know Hillary is the liar. She is going to lie all way through.

I can sense that Obama has arrived at a special place and at a special time in the country history, and we do not need those liars (like Hillary) any more!

Posted by: Peace | Apr 13, 2008 10:36:07 AM

This last lie has put Hillary into the pathological liar category.

Posted by: AkaDad | Apr 13, 2008 10:28:42 AM

Obama and Gun-Control, Wikipedia:

Gun control
As a state legislator in Illinois, Obama supported banning the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic firearms, increasing state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms and requiring manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.[101] He supported a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.[102][103] He sponsored a bill in 2000 limiting handgun purchases to one per month. He voted against a 2004 measure that allowed self-defense as an affirmative defense to those charged with violating local laws making it otherwise unlawful for such persons to possess firearms.[104] Although out of line with most of his anti-gun voting history, in 1999, Obama voted "present" on SB 759, a bill that required mandatory adult prosecution for firing a gun on or near school grounds. The bill passed the state Senate 52–1.[105] Illinois allows lawmakers to abstain from issues by voting present instead of yes or no.

Obama was also a board member[106] of the Joyce Foundation which funds and maintains several gun control organizations in the United States.

He supported several gun control measures, including restricting the purchase of firearms at gun shows and the reauthorization of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban.[107] While in the US Senate, Obama has voted against legislation protecting firearm manufacturers from liability.[108] Obama did vote in favor of the 2006 Vitter Amendment to prohibit the confiscation of lawful firearms during an emergency or major disaster, which passed 84-16.[109]

During a February 15, 2008 press conference, Obama stated, "I think there is an individual right to bear arms, but it's subject to commonsense regulation."[110] He voiced support for the District of Columbia's ban on handguns, for which arguments pro and con were heard by the Supreme Court in March 2008 in the case D.C. v. Heller.[110] Obama has also stated his opposition to allowing citizens to carry concealed guns.[111]

Obama is rated F by the National Rifle Association.[112] The NRA describes the recipient of its F grade as a "true enemy of gun owners’ rights."[113] He is also rated F by Gun Owners of America[114] who stated that Obama will "Get the Dems 'Barack' into the Business of Gun Control".[115]

Posted by: countallthevotes | Apr 13, 2008 10:17:52 AM

More lies from Hillary.

Candor should be a quality a candidate posses.

Obama may say things he shouldn't, but at least he his honest.

Posted by: for Hillary | Apr 13, 2008 10:05:27 AM

"Independent in NC" - yeah right, you're totally independent. please.

all of those people are already Hillary supporters. the second one from the bottom, Tom Hendrickson, has been doing all of her introductions in NC.

Do you work for the Hillary campaign too, "Independent in NC"? You're doing a terrible terrible job hiding your actual voting status considering anyone can google any of those names on that list at any time.

Posted by: Gion | Apr 13, 2008 10:04:27 AM

Bill Clinton March 1, 1993:

" We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans to legitimately own handguns and rifles."

This as been their long standing stance on gun control.

Hillary lies, again.

Posted by: JB | Apr 13, 2008 9:57:00 AM

Simply not True. There is a huge difference between favoring common sense gun restrictions aimed at aiding law enforcement and keeping guns from criminals and the insane.. and a policy banning all guns. The NRA knows this, even though they'll never admit it.

Posted by: A reader in Georgia | Apr 13, 2008 9:53:41 AM

There is no need to defend Obama statements

The people of PA are aware of it's contexts

Bloggers who "oh!!! how can obama call me bitter? I'm not voting for him anymore"

are simply Hillary supporters posing as undecided

Lastest PA poll has Hillary leading by 4

Down from 16

Posted by: Vanessa | Apr 13, 2008 9:52:23 AM

Kudo's to North Carolinians

Does Anyone Think Obama will be a man about this, Admit he was wrong and Publicly Apologizes to the Great people of The small towns in America.
Like he should.

I have never heard Obama Actually Admit he was wrong. I have heard him use excuses, blame others but never take responsibility and apologize.

I was Afraid he would do like he did before when the country became upset with someone Damning the country, He
Came back and called Americans Racist. (instead of Addressing Patriotism)

Will he do the same This time. for being upset and not agreeing with a black man? Come back and call everyone racist!

If he does he should just leave the race.

Posted by: seah | Apr 13, 2008 9:52:16 AM

Obama, simply used a Poor Choice of Word, due to being tired, and on the campaign trail for over 15 months. What he meant, instead, is that People are Resentful, experiencing Pain, and Prolonged Discomfort, due to harsh and painful encomonic conditions. However, the fact that McCain, Clinton and others are trying to take a poor choice of words and make nothing into something -- playing politics as usual, which in Reality is a Truthful Statement is dispicable. People in small-town America have experienced a loss of jobs in a geater degree and opportunity with very little to look forward to other than church, hunting and their local tavern, and the Military for the young, and so many have become bitter and disillusioned. And in general, People are bitter over high gas prices, increased food prices, loss of jobs and hope, high education costs, increased mortgage costs and foreclosure, loss due of jobs that leave the country and move to India and/or China, and as hard as it is to say, some people are bitter over immigration and the loss of jobs due to companies hiring immigrants for a much lower wage than Americans would go for -- in an America that does not resemble the one we used to know and belive in. We have even lost the respect and admiration of other countries around the world due to the demise of the America we love and belive in. As Barack points out, we should not blame the Immigrants but the policies that have caused this chaos. America, we have to ask ourselves, which is more aggrecious, a politician telling us the hard truth, things we may not want to hear but need to hear OR a politician telling us a Fantasy/Lie (Bosnia Sniper Fire) a fabrication and PERFORMANCE, that we did not need to hear because not Truth, and which is a betrayal of the public trust. There was a time that politicians was the most Honest Game in town -- George Washington, Honest Abe, Thomas Jefferson these are just a few examples, but they were men of high ethics and moral character who would not dare to tell the public a bold face ... for their own personal gain, it just was not done. And to say that Obama is an elitist, is like coloring Sen. Kerry a deserter, which they tried and was somewhat successful at, and look where it got us, into a war that should never have been waged and a host of other woes that only True Change from the botton-up can Transform. I hope the people will see through Clinton and McCain's politicking, Distorting and twisting his words and Message for their own political gain and rally to Obama's aide who in all honesty is trying to Change Washington from a Power Broker to Power People, because in the end it will be the people's voice and votes that matter.

Posted by: Angellight | Apr 13, 2008 9:44:55 AM

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