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Obama-Backing Senator Hopes Superdelegates Focus on Clinton Scandals from 1990s
April 23, 2008 2:48 PM
On MSNBC today, Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Missouri, said that as superdelegates consider the controversies that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, will be forced to deal with should he become the Democratic nominee, they should also think about the 1990s-era scandals that will come up should Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, earn the nomination.
Specifically McCaskill was asked about a report by the Washington Post's Jonathan Weisman that "a Democratic strategist familiar with the Obama campaign" said in the next two weeks the Obama campaign is "likely to turn to the controversies of Bill Clinton's White House years -- Hillary Clinton's trading cattle futures, Whitewater and possibly impeachment."
Would you support those types of tactics moving forward given how tight this race is? McCaskill was asked.
"Well, it's a really difficult decision," said the senator, who has endorsed Obama. "I mean, no one in the Obama campaigns wants -- I mean, Senator Clinton talked about her baggage in the debate last Wednesday. And everyone is very respectful and deferential to the Clinton family in our party and we don't want to do that.
"But, frankly, they keep throwing nails in front of the bus," she continued. "And as voters are considering whether or not some of the controversies around Barack Obama will be an issue in November, people do need to remember, there will be controversies about the Clintons that will also be an issue in November. And I think that's what we hope superdelegates also focus on."
- jpt
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It's obvious the Republicans want Hillary to win. Why? Because she is their ticket to another Republican White House. Do you think they're switching parties to vote for her because they all of a sudden think she's such a great person. C'mon - lets not be naive. Republicans want one thing now - Hillary to win the Democratic nomination, and one thing later, for John McCain to beat the tar out of her in the race for the presidency. One thing for sure, the Republicans do not want Obama to win the nomination. He scares the hell out of them for two main reasons. One, he speaks the truth. Two, he has the people behind him.
Posted by: Eric Funk | Apr 25, 2008 11:03:28 PM
Wow,
After reading all the comments posted here, I didn't realize how ignorant and racist some Americans really are. What a scary thought. All the derogatory remarks, all the name calling, come on people, I would hope that we as a country is better than this. Whether you are for Hillary or Barack. Stop all this none sense...geez.
GOD BLESS this country of ours and I pray for its future!!!
Posted by: Jay | Apr 25, 2008 12:10:21 PM
Oh, and further.. just like in PA and OH.. the rural Missouri counties went for clinton convincingly. The only reason she lost is the urban areas just have more people than the rural areas in that state, but if you look at the county by county breakdowns, the distinction is JUST like PA and OH. It's just there are more rural voters in PA and OH than there are city dwellers. Facts are stubborn.
Posted by: A reader in Georgia | Apr 25, 2008 10:17:25 AM
Is this the chick who said her 19 year old daughter prompted her to endorse Obama? Yeah, we should take what she says as gospel. LOL
Posted by: A reader in Georgia | Apr 25, 2008 10:12:02 AM
Obama can't win? Are you saying that you rather see McCain who promise a 100 years in Iraq. Are you telling me that?
Posted by: donis georgiou | Apr 25, 2008 4:09:14 AM
Hillary was originally projected the winner in Mo. She ended up losing by less than 1%? Obama will not carry the state & Claire McCaskill will not be re-elected.
Posted by: RL in Illinois | Apr 25, 2008 1:29:55 AM
Might either of these candidates lead opposition to confirmation of General Petraeus as commander of CENTCOM?
Posted by: mirth | Apr 25, 2008 1:02:11 AM
Bill Clinton was impeached, for God's sake!!!! And that is the least of their
deeds.
Posted by: kathleen | Apr 24, 2008 10:50:43 PM
This is the same Claire McCaskill who said "he, for the first time I think, as a black leader in America, has come to the American people not as a victim, but rather as a leader," I don't know if she's lacking common sense or just a little empty in the brain.
Posted by: Cord | Apr 24, 2008 3:04:57 PM
The Republican leadership has ALWAYS counted on Hillary Clinton as their biggest asset in terms of both contributions and focus. NO ONE is hated more by the Republican Right Wing than the Clintons and they can always use her as a rallying cry, even to back the not-so-right wing John McCain. Why else would he man behind the right-wing-conspiracy endorse her candidacy? He wants to rally his base against her in the fall and he needs her to beat Obama by any means possible right now. The truth is the truth.
Posted by: Tommy Thompson | Apr 24, 2008 9:41:03 AM
I find it strange that Edwards backers are rallying behind Obama considering his Non-Universal Health Plan and propensity to focus on Black Poverty as opposed to Poverty. But whatever floats their boats.
Posted by: HoosierSue | Apr 24, 2008 8:56:43 AM
It's difficult to take McCaskill seriously since the main reason she's backing Obama is because her teenage daughter threw a tantrum and called her a slug. Unfortunately, that's the type of Democratic "leadership" that's trying to shove Obama down the throats of the voters. Ain't gonna work, no way, no how.
Posted by: HoosierSue | Apr 24, 2008 8:53:43 AM
Let me rephrase that: Who will be available to campaign in the fall?
Posted by: Mandy, CA | Apr 24, 2008 6:34:56 AM
Actually new "baggage" is about to arrive for Hill. April 25 the court will decide onthe date in the fall for the tial of Paul v Clinton on the biggest fraud case involving Hill's 2000 Senate Campaign for $17 million.
Superdelegates may want to considet that Hill will be testifying in the fall in Los Angeles instead of be available to camapign in the General Election.
So I ask you...who really is electable?
Posted by: Mandy. CA | Apr 24, 2008 6:33:05 AM
mccaskill, who lied for obama when he snubbed hillary at the state of the union, on international tv, thereby embarrassing the entire nation, says that they're respectful of the clintons- lol!
i am SO looking forward to her losing her senate seat when she tries to get reelected. i will laugh, and laugh, and laugh.
Posted by: so saddened | Apr 24, 2008 3:23:31 AM
Clinton stuff from the 90's? Best president in the last 30 years, balanced budget, Education improvments, job creation, World respect , striving economy. Resistance to the Republican/Ken starr inquiscition. What about Obama"s past? Will republicans start when he was hooked on drugs?
Posted by: Libre | Apr 24, 2008 3:03:33 AM
Clinton scandal from the 90's? Republicans have tried to rehash them over and over and Hillary Clinton is sitill standing. I prefer and oversexed Bill than a Michelle American hater. I preferwhite water scandals before the 90's over recent and present relations of Obama with Rezko, Ayers, and Farrakahn. If hypotetical misdeeds by the Clintons are going to be thrown by Obama, maybe I prefer those than tohear about Obama and Sinclair. Obama is unelectable Sen McCaskill.
Posted by: Libre | Apr 24, 2008 2:58:24 AM
let's see, old news from the 90s that's been rehashed over and over and that everyone knows about already, vs. stuff people don't yet know about obama - hmmm, wonder which has more legs....
mccaskill's such a tool.
the obamaites are just trying this out since their guy got trounced last night.
Posted by: so saddened | Apr 24, 2008 2:26:11 AM
I'm with most people here. What about the Clinton's greasy, sleazy history and when is that coming out? The MSM has been so polite to avoid all of this, in order to let HRC have a "fair" chance...but come on now, when mud is being thrown at you, don't you have the right to throw back. Obama has been a gentleman, standing by principles, NOT bringing up old billy's history of extra marital affairs, let's see, there is Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, and oh yeah, the woman who was assaulted by hi, and says HRC tore her up like a banshee to protect her husband or more liekyl to protect her own political power and ambition....these people have more baggage than heathrow airport!
It is unbelieveable to compare scandalrs bw obama and clinton. She's got a hugh history and nothing compares to it.
I truly feel BO is going to win this nomination and we're seeing just a temporary moment in time when she's got the momentum...Good lord if she's the nominee, the Republicans, I hope they do "vett her" again. She deserves to be vetted again after the affair she has dragged her opponent through in this nomination.
Posted by: Pb | Apr 24, 2008 2:11:29 AM
Becky, this is about a ad with this Edward backer and Obama. he is fron LA
Posted by: bos123 | Apr 24, 2008 1:21:10 AM
I know that Sen. Obama does not want to do negative campaigning, but it's do or die. Clinton is throwing nails in front of the bus. Obama will not win on being "nice". I have been wondering why Clinton's baggage has not already been airing. Please don't wait too late.... The Clintons are having a "field day" with Obama. If he really wants to win the Whitehouse, he has come out fighting.
Posted by: Laura | Apr 24, 2008 1:04:12 AM
I know that Sen. Obama does not want to do negative campaigning, but it's do or die. Clinton is throwing nails in front ot the bus. Obama will not win on being "nice". I have been wondering why Clinton's baggage has not already been airing. Please don't wait to late....
Posted by: Laura | Apr 24, 2008 12:59:38 AM
Henry
Obama said today he doesn't need older voters either. And his attorneys stopped the revotes in FL and MI so he obviously doesn't need them....
Actually Obama just needs a spin and a prayer...wonder if Wright will be doing the praying?
Posted by: Jackie | Apr 24, 2008 12:57:03 AM
Good old Claire...and even as her fondest hope of being VP fades she just keeps up her attack dog rold.
I'm sure as always in an effort to play on the negatives that the Republicans opened up the Obama campaign will try to keep the Clinton scandals in the forefront.
Watch out Claire I think that the MSM has been really kind about the Obama judgement and experience...but they may tire of hounding Clinton and get tired of working Obama's talking points.
King Obama can whine and threaten and spend and fret....the truth Hillary is rising and he doesn't know what to do!
Remember Rezko!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Jackie | Apr 24, 2008 12:46:18 AM
God
How Hillary Clinton has found the personal courage to fight on in the face of such unmitigated hate and vitriol is astounding.
Indeed, her strength stands in stark contrast to the lack of moral courage Barack Obama repeatedly displayed when he failed - over an astounding 20-year period - to address the hate speech of his friend and pastor, even in private.
And his breathtaking willingness to rationalize and justify such speech should be a wake-up call to any Democrat who truly understands and the hard-won principles of nondiscrimination. Such a person is fundamentally unfit to lead a country as diverse as America.
I cannot imagine having to vote for a Republican, but if the party's superdelegates decide to run Obama I will have no choice but to do so as I will never - ever - vote for a racist sympathizer. Indeed, nominating such a person is something I would expect from the KKK or the Nazi Party, not the Democratic Party to which I have belonged for 35 years!
So thank you, Hillary, for standing up to the powerful cabal that supports Obama and for giving me an opportunity to vote for someone other than John McCain!
"Rise, Hillary, Rise" - Maya Angelou
Posted by: GPM | Apr 23, 2008 11:52:02 PM
If roughly 14 million people who have
voted have gotten over it, maybe its
time for everybody else to move on and
get over these non-issues.
Obama is unelectable, he will not be able to unite this party. He will lose
a lot of the Clinton vote, and aocording
to the polls she wouldn't lose as many
Obama supporters in the GE.
The superdelegates really do need to wait and let this play out, lets give every person the chance to vote and decide
Posted by: Melissa | Apr 23, 2008 11:43:35 PM
Missouri is called the "Show Me" state for good reason. Missourians don't often fall for rumor, innuendo and unsubstantiated facts. They're not cynical, but they are skeptical of wild claims. That's why Claire is popular: she calls it as she sees it. I expect if Missouri had its primary today, Obama would still win and by a larger margin than before.
Posted by: Tom J | Apr 23, 2008 11:25:58 PM
Regardless of the Rezko-esq scandals that surround Hillary Clinton, freshman Senator McCaskill would do well to consider what rural Missourians think about being called bitter, gun-toting religious zealots by a man who for 20 years stood by and listened as seeds of racial hatred were sown in his children and others but who not only couldn't muster up the courage to address it with his friend in private but who instead made excuses justifying such speech to the public.
There are more than enough Obama scandals to justify McCaskill's sppedy departure from the Obama bandwagon, and if she wants a second term it would greatly behoove her to do so as soon as possible.
Posted by: GPM | Apr 23, 2008 11:14:48 PM
Thinking:
"...but gets a scathing report from NYT who previously endorsed her."
Where WAS this report? Was it written in invisible ink?
Get OVER it!
Hillary is our best choice for effective
leadership at this juncture in time.
As for her color..... she can't HELP being white!
Get over it!
Posted by: eyes wide open | Apr 23, 2008 10:58:54 PM
Regardless of the spin put on by McCaskill, Hillary Clinton wins the electoral college in November against McCain.
Obama cannot.
Posted by: Jayhawk | Apr 23, 2008 10:14:17 PM
Marie, I'm glad to see you bought the spin job on Obama's comments. But really antipathy for people who aren't like you is calling them bigots. You can't spin thank. So, thanks but no thanks. P.S. His campaign basically back up his hubris towards middle class individuals by indicating they don't need their vote. Can't spin that one away either.
Posted by: Daniel | Apr 23, 2008 9:46:27 PM
Since Claire wants to remind people of the 90's, I thought she might like to be reminded of some her greatest hits:
Obama-backing Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., said at a press conference courtesy of the Kansas City Star, HERE):
"What this man has done, Barack Obama, is, he, for the first time I think, as a black leader in America, has come to the American people not as a victim, but rather as a leader."
Maybe her daughter wrote that for her.
Posted by: cappamore | Apr 23, 2008 9:14:14 PM
Yes, we should all listen to the voice of reason from a twelve year old. I think her daughter should be VP since see knows 6th graders.
Posted by: Bell | Apr 23, 2008 9:10:05 PM
Claire McCaskill on Bill Maher:
McCASKILL: It wasn’t “Mommy please.” It was Maddy in my face saying, you know, “How can you look yourself in the mirror?” “You’re a slug.” “You’re playing it politically safe.” I – “You believe in this guy.” “I’ll never speak to you again, if you don’t stand up and have some courage.” It was pretty intense. And she was right. It was like a cold – cold bucket of water on my head. She was absolutely right.
Posted by: cappamore | Apr 23, 2008 9:07:41 PM
Why should white blue collar workers care anyway? Barama's campaign manager said today that don't need their votes.
Posted by: Henry | Apr 23, 2008 9:07:18 PM
McCaskill's a joke! Nails under the bus. Please bring up the Clinton baggage I'm sure by now it will be rosy fresh. By the way, Hillary was impeached and didn't make pardon's but go ahead McCaskill show your daughter what it's like to get down and dirty in the "New" politics Barack brings. Why if he is winning so big and is sure to win the nomination would he even consider stooping this low? Is he that embarrassed about his debate performance? Or is it all the foreign policy experience he got while in elementary school in Indonesia?
Posted by: Peaches | Apr 23, 2008 9:01:15 PM
If you count the states delegates as winner-takes-all, like in the in the general election, clinton is 1800+ and bho 1100+.
ugh, oh...
Posted by: pp | Apr 23, 2008 8:56:01 PM
Lots of you want Hillary to win, lots of you here want Barack to win. Barack looks like he will win based on votes and delegates. He may be a weak candidate--or not--but the rules were put in place before the primaries, and all the candidates said they would follow the rules. The Republicans have a winner take all system, which may strike you as "unfair" or "lopsided", but that is what the Republicans have chosen. Hillary cannot catch Barack. Every person on this board knows this. I guess if you want Hillary to be President, this fact is depressing. She should have done a better job at the beginning. She really screwed up. She did it to herself. No one put money on Obama for anything before Iowa. Even after Iowa, the prevailing view was that Hillary would right the ship like George H.W. Bush did against Dole in New Hampshire. Hillary supporters need to decide whether they want their party to win--and support Obama, or if they want their candidate and not the party, and are willing to assist the McCFain campaign. Hillary's finished.
Posted by: KJK | Apr 23, 2008 8:29:00 PM
It's about time! Thank you Sen. McCaskill! I can't believe someone has finally come out to say what I've been thinking for months now. Selling pardons to finance the purchase of their very first home is unethical and shows the corruption in the Clinton family! Lying to the American public about "experience" and she's still a candidate to become the leader of our country? What has America come to?
Posted by: Wendy, Denver | Apr 23, 2008 7:55:20 PM
Lots of you want Hillary to win, lots of you here want Barack to win. Barack looks like he will win based on votes and delegates. He may be a weak candidate--or not--but the rules were put in place before the primaries, and all the candidates said they would follow the rules. The Republicans have a winner take all system, which may strike you as "unfair" or "lopsided", but that is what the Republicans have chosen. Hillary cannot catch Barack. Every person on this board knows this. I guess if you want Hillary to be President, this fact is depressing. She should have done a better job at the beginning. She really screwed up. She did it to herself. No one put money on Obama for anything before Iowa. Even after Iowa, the prevailing view was that Hillary would right the ship like George H.W. Bush did against Dole in New Hampshire. Hillary supporters need to decide whether they want their party to win--and support Obama, or if they want their candidate and not the party, and are willing to assist the McCFain campaign. Hillary's finished.
Posted by: K. J. Klassen | Apr 23, 2008 7:44:44 PM
I think he should kitchen sink the witch!
Posted by: latinovoter1 | Apr 23, 2008 7:22:17 PM
Hillary didn't bring up Obama's "issues." The media did - finally! But go ahead new politics campaign. Throw the kitchen sink and then blame Clinton. Barack is such a baby!!! It's pathetic, and Republican radio thinks it's hysterical.
Posted by: ruhla | Apr 23, 2008 7:05:51 PM
"Obama's indictment may come sooner than later."
You think so? THAT'd be a solution.
Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 23, 2008 6:47:21 PM
Well since the old gal is claiming a co-presidency, we really need to go back and look at ALL those pardons and clemencies Billy Boy granted. Just how many criminals were there and what were their crimes. We know about the Weatherman Underground but there were 16 from the FALN terrorists as well.
While we are at it, don't forget how Bill Clinton force fed the Chinese trading partnership thru. He even lifted the governing counsel that was to oversee patents etc. He wanted NO constraints on trade with the Chinese. And just how much have the Chinese donated to his Library and his foundation?
While we are at looking at the old baggage don't forget the NEW baggage with Peter Paul vs Clinton. Don't forget the Colombian trade agreement Billy Boy wants and Hillary SAYS she doesn't want. The Clintons had M. Penn and her financial advisor making backdoor deals while she is consoling all those blue collar workers in PA about their job losses.
Go for it Obama! If you don't we know the Republicans will. Clinton has proven you cannot run a campaign against her without a gutter fight. Don't anyone dare critize Obama for roughing up a woman. This is NO LADY or leader. She is a bitter woman scorned who only has this one thing left in her life.
Posted by: Texas Voter | Apr 23, 2008 6:28:48 PM
Sorry! "not convicted"!
Posted by: Mike in Texas | Apr 23, 2008 6:27:36 PM
Bill Clinton was convicted of anything. He was never tried for anything. He was impeached by a Republican congress that was infuriated that Starr and all of the OIC could find nothing but Lewinsky.
He left office with a 65% approval rating by the American people.
It is probable that more people have already been indicted in the Resko mess than were ever indicted re whitewater.
Obama's indictment may come sooner than later.
Posted by: Mike in Texas | Apr 23, 2008 6:26:32 PM
You can spin it all you want, if this primary was for Obama to win he would have won it already but once again Hillary has proven the presidency can't be bought and the will of the people will prevail. You go ahead and attack Hillary ...McCaskill and all the Obama lovers.....show how you truly are a politician and no different from everyone else...because after all the American people know you are the biggest hypocrite running for public office right now.
Posted by: mona | Apr 23, 2008 6:16:53 PM
Oh I hope Obama goes after her, then she will have licence to hit him on everything full throttle. There is a lot of material on him, known and not known "yet"
Posted by: Jim | Apr 23, 2008 6:12:54 PM
As I stated earlier, I welcome such an attack by the Obama campaign. It is their perogative and I think they should do it.
I think they should be well prepared for the backlash also.
However, they are not going to go there. They do not have the guts to do so! They have only floated a "trial balloon" in the hope that it might show up in blogs, just as it has here.
Such statements as that by McCaskill are only being put out as a "backdoor" wish in hopes such will detract from HRC's PA win.
They also want to "throw a bone" to their followers. They need to give the Obama minions something to blindly rant about, as they are doing.
Posted by: Mike in Texas | Apr 23, 2008 6:08:47 PM
Rough week for Hillary! She wins PA, but Obamna gets 2 supers. Hillary raises 10 million,( she is now even) but gets a scathing report from NYT who previously endorsed her. 49 supporters of Edwards are announcing for Obama. Obama is reminding Hillary of her and Bill's past, and her vulnerabilities. Most PA vioters acknowledge that it was HIllary who went negative.
Lets see if she backs off or does Obama unload on her.
Obama08
Posted by: Thinking | Apr 23, 2008 6:01:29 PM
"if obama has a glass jaw becaus eof his couple of scandals... the clintons vital organs are made of flourescent tubing."
That's not what a "glass jaw" IS. It's what makes boxers pass out from the slightest tap in the wrong place.
In Obama's case, he pretends to support "unity", and to forswear the "negative" because he's been babied and cosseted from birth, and he. can't. stand. conflict. (Obama got all the way to the U.S. Senate without any conflict.)
Any conflict about his own manufactured wonderfulness, infallibility, or mystical fitness to be president is going to make him waaay uncomfortable.
If somebody starts teasing this guy as the talking heads have baited Clinton (and Edwards, and Dean before HIM), Obama will cry or go into a rage. Wait and see.
Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 23, 2008 5:50:26 PM
dl,
I'm fully aware of all of those 'scandals'. The reason he finally settled on that subject is that it is hard to float a case about Whitewater when the Clintons lost money.
The 'Filegate' is a moot point now with the Patriot Act destroying the Constitution. Vince Foster has been treated like a conspiracy theory, so that won't get any traction either.
My memory about all of these is just fine and no I don't have blinders on, which is why Obama doesn't get a pass from me.
However, my issue with the Clintons had to do with real subjects like giving the UN some of our National Parks.
Do you even remember that happened? Or are you too busy on fake subjects? Like the Hillary/Iran rant?
Posted by: Cali girl | Apr 23, 2008 5:42:42 PM
belle
if obama has a glass jaw becaus eof his couple of scandals... the clintons vital organs are made of flourescent tubing.
you don't want to play on a this rough and tumble field with those organs...even if you think your opponent has a glass jaw.
go read up on scandals and clintons
in fact just google hillary and scandal...or hillary and deaths...or hillary and investigations...
or any other scandalous term...
millions of hits... "angelina" and "brad" don't have as many hits.
They have lists and lots of people who believe in those lists right or wrong.
Posted by: dl | Apr 23, 2008 5:33:43 PM
"I would never vote for Obama because he's a man or because he's half black- those things don't matter at all."
Uh, what DOES, then? His stupid health plan? The adjustable accents? The supercilious persona? The soldier-cult fervor of his determination to subdue Afghanistan? The Cheez Whiz?
Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 23, 2008 5:32:08 PM
Vanessa, that's obviously why the Republicans want Hillary running against McCain this fall.
Posted by: rco | Apr 23, 2008 5:29:18 PM
again cali girl...
that money ended up predominantly focused on the one issue they could get him ousted with ...so the idea that the independent counsel spent 80 million and found nothing on any scandal is simply wrong.
Thye found their issue that they knew they could ge thim on and guess what ...(even with all the roadbloacks and running around to block them) they won.
These scandals have not been vetted in the light of 24 hr news and in the round of an election where Hillary is the focus.
Most of these scandals just floated offinto the wind because either a new scandal came along or other tiopics...or it was settled many times with violations against the Clintons.
but obviously you don't even know that.
That is the problem...clinton supporters want to put their hands over their ears and scream "LALALALALA. sHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP I CAN'T HEAR YOU"
Go read all these things that the American population does not know...they just have heard words like "whitewater" or "vince foster" or "fbi files"... and then Monica...the only case that most of america knows and thinks that is the extent of the scandals...and that these scandals continue is the most fascinating thing...and taken individually you all can spin each as best you can but taken cumulatively... it's like saying OJ was innocent.
there's a point where "right wing conspiracy" no longer holds up to the weight...
How many politicians have THIS many investigations and fines and disbarrments and censures and returned funds and deaths and lies.
It's bad...but when they are your king and queen and it's the only light you can remember for 15 years... you get defensive and blinders.
Posted by: dl | Apr 23, 2008 5:28:48 PM
This is what I've said along.
The media has yet to "fully vet" Hillary
None of the 90s scandals are played in loops
Peter Paul vs William "Bill" Clinton and Hillary R. Clinton starts this week
Media???
If Hillary were to win the nom, the Republicans would blast the 90s all over the television, radio, and streets
Posted by: Vanessa | Apr 23, 2008 5:26:59 PM
"With his glass jaw, whoever advised him on this course, is now allowing the Clintons to stop pulling their punches."
'Bout time. PA makes it hard to miss that the lowly voters have tired of the mystical obfuscation of the tender candidate's actual biography and political practices.
Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 23, 2008 5:24:13 PM
How dare she point out reality...heavens knows the NYT isn't interested in that.
The NYT carried Bush and Cheney's water for getting us into this war. Judith Miller and her articles that were sourced by the White House, and utilized by those same people in the White House as proof on the Sunday talk shows. Trying to talk up the war.
Who cares what the NYT thinks!
Posted by: Cali girl | Apr 23, 2008 5:23:26 PM
Everyone should read the NYT article "The Low Road to Victory" ripping Hillary for her gutter tactics. Just like Michael Moore's recent comments about Hillary's disgusting campaign! And to think the NYT endorsed Hillary, i might add in her own state. They should retract their endorsement, if she doesn't clean up her act. BTW, I would never vote for Obama because he's a man or because he's half black- those things don't matter at all.
Posted by: rco | Apr 23, 2008 5:18:21 PM
Really
countall the votes
They didn't just go after him for that question...they knew he would lie about it. I don't care if the question should have not been asked or not ...
so becasue the question shouldn't have been asked you think it is okay that he dragged the country through all of that...
this is exactly the deal with the clintons and why some people like yourself should come clean when talking about the clintons
and so because the republicans were wrong...he should have gotten up and lied on the stand and then instead of coming clean
go on tv and tell the American people a lie?
It is kind of like this primary isn't it. Doesn't matter if it effects the country if the Clintons are protected they can do anything they want.
So he lies to the american people and your first thought is...he should not have been asked.
That is the answer of someone who isn't looking for the right choice for the country...that is someone who is defensive against anything with the Clintons.
Thus we see all your comments on here... they are not first about the best choice for the country and party...they are the best choice for your candidate.
some of us have woken up from the long sleep.
Posted by: dl | Apr 23, 2008 5:17:34 PM
"I felt fine [about Wild Bill's reticence re White House erotic adventure]. To me, it always was a question that should never have been asked."
The only time I EVER had any respect or affection for Bill Clinton was when he refused to discuss this. It was the right, if not the "lawful", thing to do -- and showed, I thought, that he DOES, oddly, respect women.
Anybody who's willing to delve into all THAT either has never engaged in sex of any kind, or is a misogynist. There is no way to go into it without further victimizing the object of WB's fleeting recreational intimacies.
Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 23, 2008 5:17:32 PM
Most of America knows those were overblown scandals. Like Hillary said in the debate, they've been through her baggage.
Even the Office of the Independent Counsel (OIC) and 80 million dollars couldn't come up with something more than the President having an affair and giving Monica a job referral with Vernon.
To put that into perspective, that is more money than they spent looking into 9/11, and they still couldn't find anything.
Obama is shooting himself in the foot trying to go after their scandals, because his are fresh and mostly unknown by the masses.
With his glass jaw, whoever advised him on this course, is now allowing the Clintons to stop pulling their punches.
Posted by: Cali girl | Apr 23, 2008 5:16:37 PM
Unless you had to "co-sign" for something rco, I would say that your musings regarding HRC's finances matter not one bit.
Same for you "regressive democrat"!
Posted by: Mike in Texas | Apr 23, 2008 5:13:14 PM
How much you want to bet that Hillary will not use that 10 Million she just raised to pay her mounting campaign debts. She's going to spend it in Indiana and NC! It's the Clinton way- and it's illegal to not pay these debts- it violates campaign finance laws!!
Posted by: rco | Apr 23, 2008 5:09:23 PM
"Some idiotic voters find her untrustworthy, yet still vote for her because she is a woman."
And ... some idiotic voters find Mr. Waffles untrustworthy, yet still vote for him because ...
... he's NOT a woman?
... he's half-"black"?
Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 23, 2008 5:08:49 PM
Kris,
I say prove they have raised 10 million in 24 hours. We all know after the Bosnia incident that Hillary has a propensity to exaggerate. Also, since the campaign was 11 million in debt, isn't she still in debt after raising 10 million?
Posted by: Progressive Democrat | Apr 23, 2008 5:05:35 PM
dl posted:
"how did you feel when bill pointed his finger at the tv and said "I did not have sex with that woman."
and when he came back and said "I lied "
and when you heard the details of all the rigmarole that they went through to cover these things up?
how did you feel?"
dl,
I felt fine. To me, it always was a question that should never have been asked.
Posted by: countallthevotes | Apr 23, 2008 5:05:15 PM
Good posts Dan. Don't forget she also dissed Mississippi badly when she was in Iowa. Your comment about the media propping Hillary up for ratings is an excellent one that Hillary supporters seem to ignore. The polls show that the vast majority of Americans (and PN voters ironically) don't trust Hillary. Some idiotic voters find her untrustworthy, yet still vote for her because she is a woman. Go figure.
Posted by: rco | Apr 23, 2008 5:04:53 PM
You have mentioned all of those things on here dl, time and again, and probably anywhere you blogged. what reaction have you gotten.
I truly hope the Obama campaign goes there. If they truly believe it should come up again, then they certainly have a right to do so. This is a political fight, not a tea party. All is fair!
As to your comment Roxanne, about let's play ball. I am all for that! Obama will be totally unelectable by June 23rd.
Posted by: MC | Apr 23, 2008 5:03:09 PM
"In Pennsylvania independents couldn't vote."
Right: it was a DEMOCRATIC primary. Only "closed" primaries say anything about who DEMOCRATS want the DEMOCRATIC Party nominee to be.
This simple fact undercuts any "popular vote" argument which includes open-primary states -- and the fact of bullying and lack of a secret ballot undercuts any arguments about caucus-state results.
(I'm an Edwards partisan rather than a Clinton supporter, but the remaining Obamaniacs seem all unstrung today about even the simplest matters.)
Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 23, 2008 4:58:00 PM
Hillary is running a double standard with her campaign tactics. She expects to be able to attack Obama as much as she wants, and thinks it's a fair way to 'play the game', but crys 'foul' if he attacks her, and to top it all off, if he doesn't fight back, she labels him a 'wimp'? This is not unlike many folks relationships- as a guy, you can't win for losing. Why is all of Clinton's baggage off limits for Senator Obama, his surrogates, or the blind press to rehash? Is there some unwritten Clinton 'rule' in effect? Thou shalt not impugn the Clintons with their dirty laundry from the nineties, or incur their rath? Are the press and party hacks like Pelosi and Dean afraid of the Clintons? Surely as a nation we should be able to see through all this double standard garbage, and hold Hillary accountable for her lifetime of unethical, dishonest, and intimidating behavior. Character does matter.
Posted by: rco | Apr 23, 2008 4:54:12 PM
"And as voters are considering whether or not some of the controversies around Barack Obama will be an issue in November ... "
Come November, tender candidate Obama will be back in the Senate, backslapping with Senator Coburn. Or off in the Caribbean, more likely, writing another hahaha book . . .
Posted by: New Morning | Apr 23, 2008 4:47:17 PM
Clinton has no chance at the nomination.
The media wants the ratings and the Clinton supporters are too dense to look at the math.
The popular vote argument is foolish because they aren't giving Obama any vote for Michigan.
The popular vote argument is foolish because they are not including 4 caucus states.
The popular vote argument is foolish because Obama would have had a far bigger margin in caucus states out west that can't stand candidate Clinton in a pprimary.
Candidate Clinton would have lost by big popular vote margins if there were primaries in states like colorodo instead of caucuses.
Candidate Clinton does horrible out west. She isn't inspiring. Candidate Clinton is horrific in the mountain west, upper midwest like iowa.
Candidate Clinton dissed iowa. She said it was like running for mayor. She dissed wisconsin.
Candidate Clinton is weak in the northwest.
The nomination is over accept for the media who wants the ratings and are lying to Clinton supporters.
Obama is up 150 pledged delegates and will gain 16 more in north carolina and indiana. Obama will gain a dozen more from having won 14 more states in add on delegates.
Clinton supporters are too dense to realize this.
Obama gained more delegates in washington state last week.
Yesterday was terrible for Clinton she went from a 26 point lead to a 9 point lead and only picked up 8-10 delegates.
Clinton is very weak west of the mississippi.
Obama is far stronger in colorodo, nevada, oregon, washington state, new mexico, wisconsin, iowa, virginia.
Clinton runs 9 percent behind McCain in Michigan. Clinton loses to McCain 46-37 in Michigan.
Posted by: Dan | Apr 23, 2008 4:44:47 PM
Bill Clinton left office with a 65% approval rating. The American people knew whitewater was a witch-hunt. They still do!
Those that try to beat up on Bubba seem to have a way of actually slapping themselves in the process. As I stated earlier, go for it!
The Republicans found out they could not take the Clintons down with such histrionics. As Ol' Bill says that dog simply would not hunt, and still won't.
Guess it is the Obama campaign's turn to find out for themselves. For all but the messianic neophytes it is a moot issue.
Posted by: Mike in Texas | Apr 23, 2008 4:44:47 PM
david h
what exactly are the details of billingate? travelgate? whitewater?
because to be hinest I don't think most of the people on here never mind the American people really know all the details...
I know 80% of them could not tell you almost anything baout 90% of the clinton scandals...and that's being generous...
they just know ..."oh the clintons have some scandals" they remember before 24 hr cable news people who were into those things talked about something that was questionable.
the only thing they know well is Monica.
Posted by: dl | Apr 23, 2008 4:41:01 PM
Clinton voted for confiscating personal firearms during the katrina disaster.
She voted for police to go into homes and take all the firearms away from people.
She voted against the vitter amendment.
Candidate Clinton is on tape being for the invasion.
She is a serial liar.
Candidate Clinton supporters are going to wake up after north carolina with egg on their face.
The end of the Clinton lying era is coming to an end on may 6th.
Candidate Clinton will lose both Indiana and North Carolina and it will be OVER.
Talk about being vetted. Bill got paid by columbia and dubai for the ports deal while Clinton took out a loan for her campaign that she is charging interest for.
Clinton supporters like serial liars.
They like being lied to.
Posted by: Dan | Apr 23, 2