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McCain wants to stay in Iraq until American soldiers are no longer being killed. That could very well take 100 years... "perhaps 100 years of war," as Obama put it.

And then, once peace is finally achieved in Iraq, we'll say for 100 years more.

Nice.

It's really hard to criticize anyone for jumping all over McCain's insane Iraq policy.

I can kind've understand how you might twist things yourself to suggest Obama is twisting the truth on this issue. You want to be an equal opportunity sandbagger: clearly able to call out both sides. But this sort of faux balance is phony.
Because McCain clearly said he was happy to be in Iraq for however long. He also said the public weren't concerned about US troops being there, but about casualties. What he didn't say- what he won't say, because he knows how it'll wash- is what his plan is to acheive no casaulties in Iraq.
Because his plan is simply to keep troops fighting there. However long it takes. Until there are no more casaulties, or no US troops left, or hell freezes over. You take your pick. I can't work out which one is more likely to come first.

Obama is a Pied Piper. He is going after the high schools, (our children) with his melodic speeches and promises. Where do you suppose he is leading them, and what will it take for us to get them back? His mezmerizing tone and slow, deliberate speech pattern makes it possible for him to get away with lying openly, saying he didn't, and the fools who follow him just believe.

Hillary suppporter calling somebody a liar?

I think I just giggled a little.

Why should anyone thank you?
Mccain has gotten a pass from the press. He wants to stay in Iraq indefinitely with an ambiguous open ended goal. 100 years if there are no US causalities? What does that even mean? So if there are US causalities after 5,10, 15 years then what? US soldiers causalities seems to be irrelevant to the conversation. He wants a continued presence in Iraq so that he can have leverage over Iran. One can obviously interpret this from his continued hawkish stance on the middle east. So Obama is correct. Mccain wants to stay in Iraq indefinitely and instead of just openly admitting it, you play this word parsing game, of Mccain's double speak that isn't specific enough to be critical of Obama.

The problem is a continued acceptance of vague rhetoric that has been occurring for 8 years. At what point do you make them accountable. All the predictions of how this war would turn out have been wrong. It is up to you (THE PRESS) to grill Mccain on what he means, not attack Obama who simply looks at Mccain's history and comes to a logical conclusion as to his intent.

Thank you for telling the truth, unlike most people in the media who want us to believe Obama is the Messiah

If the shoe was reversed ... oh wait, McCain hasn't distorted anything Obama has said for political advantage ...

McCain may not be as conservative as some would like and he may be willing to finish the fight in Iraq that others claim is a lost cause but does anyone think he would lie to win ?

Apparently Obama will do anything to win and lying about your opponent or allowign your suppoters to smear him is fine with him ...

This is a big con job ...

Obama claims to be a moderate, but...

Would a Moderate man go to that church ?

Would a moderate man marry someone who is obviously not moderate ?

Would a Moderate man NEVER cast a moderate vote in his entire political career ?

No to all 3 ... so why does Obama claim to be what he clearly is not ? Because it won't win this election, so he lies to everyone, everyday ...

Look here, everyone.
The much larger issue than parsing words over Obama's interpretation of McCain's 100 year comment, in which many here believe he interpreted correctly, by the way, is which president candidate will use common sense and keep America out of future Vietnams and future Iraqs.
McCain has demonstrated in action and words little except that he would carry on the same mistaken shoot-first-ask questions-and plan-later, military-action-before level-headed- diplomacy policies of the failed Bush Administration. Do we want four more years of failure?
Do we want to continue four more years of a no-end-in-sight, black hole war sucking away our economy, our best young men and women, our credibility and security overseas?
The choice between McCain and Obama is clear. Obama for president!

Gee...do you think Obama will twist the truth when he is in the White House? I wonder who can twist it the best...George or Barack?

All politicians seem to embellish facts. I think you have to look at who does it in a way that is most harmful to the American people. I am concerned about Obama's many links to people of questionable background. They are always brushed off as "acquaintances" but it seems to suggest a pattern of poor character judgement.

Of course Obama twisted McCain words. Obama is a politician. No big surprise to anyone but his hard-core supporters who cannot fathom that their Savior would ever say anything but the whole truth.

The more things "change", the more they stay the same.

There are only 2 kinds of republicans. Rich ones and suckers.

Senator Obama's arrogance about foreign policy is only matched by his cluelessness.

Senator Obama's arrogance about foreign policy os only matched by his cluelessness.

PP, I think she is locked up until Nov.

where has michelle o. been?????

re: Sitting1

When I get my next bill for the war, I will send it to you!!!

ken its simple, he is running as a black candidate and media, superdelegates are hestitant to mention that fact, otherwise they are considered to be racist. Go Hilliary 08 or McCain08.

Obama has a lot of experience twisting the truth about twisting the truth. Not to change the subject, but it was the same thing he did on the Rezko issue. For 16 months he lied about it in various forms, then had to twist some more when he finally met with the Tribune board.

Morningside:

What credibility does Hillary have in regards to Iraq? I'm still waiting for substantive arguments from a Clinton supporter.

McBush ... just another 4 years of war / lies / kissing up to big business, and special interest groups. "Your doing a heck of a job Brownie" and let's not forget "Mission Accomplished"

I'm an ardent Clinton supporter but as far as Iraq is concerned, I think that McCain has the best opportunity to resolve the mess we're in in Iraq - kind of like Nixon going to China back in the early 1970's.

Many believe it would have been years before a Democratic president would have been able to accomplish such an opening.

Obama has no credibility where Iraq is concerned - and he has no business smearing Sen. McCain.

With all that, Hillary Clinton is still the best all-around candidate. Go Hillary!!!!

Bubba:

I agree with you. Stella's posts are some of the best posts I have yet to read on this site.

They sure open up your eyes to Obama.

Obama stated he would bomb Pakistan with or without their permission. Maybe he won't keep us in Iraq for 100 years. Does he have an estimate on how long we'll be fighting in Pakistan.

"This country would be better off with a stupid old patriotic pre-alzheimer's warmongering white man than an intelligent young "blame america for everything" race-baiting socialist who believes the only way to make this country great is by the government confiscating every dollar we earn." - Obama\Osama '08

-- LOL how incredibly clever, witty and insightful.

Can anyone expect that troops can be in any country where the people don't want them for a hundred years, or even for one year, and not have a state of war exist? Being there means war. End of story.

McCain actually did support a prolonged war. He has said recently he only meant an established base, but during primaries he was very clear that a 100 ("or even 1000") year war was fine.

S, Unlink Iraq troops in Bosnia are part of a NATO deployment. Once NATO leaves Bosnia so should the U.S.

"This country would be better off with a stupid old patriotic pre-alzheimer's warmongering white man than an intelligent young "blame america for everything" race-baiting socialist who believes the only way to make this country great is by the government confiscating every dollar we earn."

- Government is already wasting our tax dollars, so nice try. Amazes me the breadth of ignorance among American voters.-

WestCoastMessanger, are you now defending McCain/McNasty against a fellow democrat? what a shame, Hill the Bosnian General has tried that and failed miserably. McCain/McNasty said it 100 years in Irak, he would like to become the Governor of Bagdag living in one of Sadam's palaces. That could be a good place for him. God bless America and God bless Obama.OBAMA08.

If he says something that is not true or a half-true it should not be overlooked. He should be scrutinized the same as Clinton and Mccain. I can't believe the double standard, the media should be ashamed of the way they have covered this presidential season.

Obama's whole campaign started in earnest by calling Senator Clinton a racist and a liar....General charges fed by perceptions not facts.

Obama's campaign will continue to use this winning combination of denial and hypocrisy. The media loves it, because they get to play a part in the game.

I am concerned though that Obama's lies about Wright, Rezco, gun control, sex education and his shift on Iraq are not even really pointed out. When the story seems to be which hospital a deceased unnamed woman that Clinton mentioned rather than Obama's blatant lies about his gun control and abortion stands (in his own writing)....it gets scary.

wake up!
she can not manage her campaign.

She never managed Anything.

It is Baby talking to make president from Hillary.

Let's become adults and think.

Obama has spent his entire time as a Senator---running for President! If he can’t do his Senate job---he surely can’t lead our country. Obama has told so many lies that he is not credible.
does he realy know what is responsibilility?

Mike in Tampa, FL and all other think you know Obama's Irq stance.

There is recent NPR talk about how Obama used the 2002 speech to support his anti-war position. In fact, per NPR, that speech was not made when he was running office, so there was no such so-called "high-stake" involved. Also, the speech was not even reported by any reporter covering the event that day. There is not even a recording of that speech left. The obama people went to the extent to re-make the speech and even adding the background applauding sound effects. (Please check NPR to verify)

NYT also recently reported on Obama's Iraq stance. He voted everything exactly as Clinton did, against troop withdraw and continue funded the war. He DID NOT openly do anything against the war after he started running for president.

The biggest problem I have with him is he only has his words but no actions at all to suppor his words. And when his actions are getting examined, you get to see complete hypocricy. Actions don't match up with his words. There is a long list of irony in Obama:

1. He claims he is a clean different politics, but his own evolution, associated with Rezko, Emil Jones, and other shady people is completely the opposite
2. He claims he can unite people, but his willingness to in a black racist church, his only contribution from his tax returns to the black-related cause, and his unwillingness even now to confront Wright's stance says other things.
3. He claims he cares about people. Why 11 Rezko's badly constructed low-income projects happened to be his own chicago district? How could he claim he did not know how terrible the living conditions were for those people living there? Just do a little bit online search you will see a lot of things he did in Chicago is not so goo.

The list can go on. My suggestion to all Obama supporters is "don't confuse words with actions"!

Axelrod should really be the one running instead of Obama.....he's the one pulling Obama's strings....oh but Obama has more Foreign Affairs experience.... Pakistan during college years, Indonesia during his elementary school years, ..... oh yeah ... I see the next President of the United States....

Hillary Clinton!

Ken:

I want to be clear about what Obama did! as you probably know from my previous post, I am Pro-life.

Once in 2003, and twice before that, he effectively voted for infantcide. He voted to allow doctors to deny medically appropriate treatment or, worse yet, actively kill a completely living baby. Infanticide-I wonder if he'll add this to the list of changes in his next victory speech and if the crowd will roar: "Yes We Can"!

Even Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer, Hillary Clilnton, etc. did not oppose the BAIPA bill to save late-term babies born alive to be killed. Only, Obama was opposed to it.

John McCain's campaign and conservative pundits have listed the numerous times in Obama's short Senate career where he sided with the extremes in his party against broadly supported compromises on issues as:

Immigration
Ethics Reform
Terrorist Surveillance
War Funding

Fighting on the fringe with a handful of liberals is one thing, but consider his position on an issue that passed both houses of Congress unanimously in 2002....the BAIPA Bill (Born Alive Infant Protection Act)

Just remeber Obama's own words:

I don't want my daughters to be punished with a BABY!!!!!

This country would be better off with a stupid old patriotic pre-alzheimer's warmongering white man than an intelligent young "blame america for everything" race-baiting socialist who believes the only way to make this country great is by the government confiscating every dollar we earn.

Here is something that matters, folks, and that tells us everything IMO we need to know about John McCain:

HE CONFUSED SHIITES AND SUNNIS AGAIN during today's Senate Armed Services hearing! Incredible but true.

So yes, he's worse and more laughable than Bush ALREADY.

Plus, therefore, more dangerous to our national interests and security.

indy_voter

When do you suppose Clinton's troops still in Bosnia will come home?

Obama continues to defend his false and misleading statement because the MSM does not push back on him when he is wrong or take him to task when he runs the kind of dirty campaign he says the others are running.

He is a slick Chicago style take no prisoners politician and if he gets the nomination, McCain and the republicans will turn him into ribbons.

So, Obama supporters agree that Obama will not attack Iran even if Iran starts supporting terrorists, gives them nuclear fuel, nuclear bomb blue prints, supports Al Qaeda in Iraq, funds terrorist groups in U.S.A.

That's what we have been saying. He is a America-hating liberal.

Unity, Change, and leadership we can be proud of. Vote for the smartest person in the race.

Vote Obama!

all you need to do is remember McCain singing 'bomb bomb bomb Iran' and you get a very clear picture of his cavalier attitude about war. Not Presidential and embarassing. I wonder what other world leaders think about his song.

What will Obama do about Iraq war? He doesn't know. He will appoint a task force and let them deliberate on C-Span till the next election. You see he wants to do things in the open like deliberating, cleaning his nose etc., so his supporters can applaud.

I thought being Rich and Powerful made you an elite. I had no idea it just took a good education. I never thought I would see the day when a guy who just paid off his student loans would be considered an ELITE. And for all those crying about John McPain's 100 year comment- He said we could stay 100 years. Guess what people, soldiers are dying now. They will be dying next month. They will be dying for years to come. If we are there for 100 years, soldiers will be getting killed for 100 years. John McCain still thinks like a soldier. He wants to kill until he can kill no more. He still wanted us to fight Vietnam. We don't need a soldier, we need a President. So far, Obama is the best person for the job.

I personally do not see any distortion at all. McCain seems to be perfectly content to leave troops in Iraq "for as long as it takes". Does that mean, 5 years, 100 years, or a thousand years? Iraq was and continues to be a mistake. Why continue the mistake "for as long as it takes"? At what cost? I admire McCain and believe he is good man but his stance on Iraq is what will lose the election for him. I cannot vote someone who wishes to continue the Iraq mistake indefinitely.

People should be scared of Obama. He is another George W. Bush with a liberal paint on his face.

Ken - "might learn you something"??? Yeah, I reckon I might learn me somethin' too. Like how to spot a snake oil salesman. No, I already learned me that. Obama

People or so scared of this debate between Mccain and Obama. I mean if Obama repeats what John Mccain said on the stump then let him. I mean be honest with yourself Mccain did say we can be there another 100 years, if he didn't want it repeated why say it?

It's so funny how Mccain or Clinton can say anything they want but Obama can't.

Obama's word or turned around all the time. This is not name calling or mud slinging. It's Politics

What will Truth say to Obama when they meet?

Truth will say "Hello Stranger"

Mike in Tampa FL:

In addition to the fact that Obama did not actually have a vote in 2002, he has since made comments that he doesn't know how he would have voted if he had been a senator at the time.

What about the twisting of the truth from John McCain with regards his rescue in Vietnam and then the way he was treated in capture, but then it may have not sounded as good for the book!

Hillary and LIES the latest one with the story of the death of a 35 year old woman to push her Health Care Plans is nothing less than Disgusting!

It is not McCain's war. It is Bush's war.

Hillary will win the war quickly and remove troops asap.

Barack Obama is a phony and he doesn't really mean what he says. Unless, he means to say something different. In which case, that is not what he said. Therefore, he didn't really say what he is being accused of because that is not what he meant when he said it. He was clearly saying something else.

Of course, I mean what I say when I say "Obama is a phony".

stella, how would you explain that Obama is more popular among his fellow senators than Clinton is?

He has a clear lead in endorsements from Dem Senators over Clinton.

Plus, you are clearly lying about 'no record of working with the other side of the aisle', or you're simply writing about something you in reality know nothing about. One look at Obama's work on the important Ethics Reform Bill (that passed) might learn you something.

Barak should continue to expose the true intention of McCain... No more stupid war...No more sacrificing American lives and treasure ...no more deception.

I am confident that only Barak will use smart diplomacy before resorting to war.

McCain is a war monger and will drag the country in to another war, this time with Iran. Foll me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me!

American voters will choose between two candidates this election year.

One inspires hope for a brighter, better tomorrow. His rhetoric makes us feel we are, indeed,one nation indivisible-indivisible by ideology or religion, indivisible by race or creed. It is rhetoric of hope and change and possibility. It's inspiring. This candidate can make you just plain feel good to be American.

The other candidate by "CONTRAST" is one of the Senate's fiercest partisans. This senator reflexively sides with the party's extreme wing. There is no record of working with the other side of the aisle. NONE. It's basically been my way or the highway, combined with a sanctimoniousness that breeds contempt among those on the other side of any issue.

Which of these two candidates should be our next president? The choice is clear, right?

WRONG, because they're both the same man-Barack Obama.

The nonpartisan National Journal for example, recently rated Obama the Senate's most liberal member. That's besting some tough competition from orthodox liberals as Ted Kennedy and Barbara Boxer.

Who would oppose the Born Alive Infant Protection Act (BAIPA BILL), that said you couldn't kill a baby who was born, during a partial-birth abortion? Not Ted Kennedy, Not Barbara Boxer, not HILLARY CLINTON. Not even the hardcore National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL). Obama, however, is another story. The year after the Born Alive Infants Protection Act became a federal law in 2002, identical language was considered in a committee of the Illinois Senate. It was defeated with the committee's chairman, Barack Obama, leading the opposition.

That's right. He bowls a "37" because he wants to impress the hard working PA voters. A phony. Don't try to be something you are not.

Being a Harvard elite is not a bad thing. My problem is with the elites who think like communists.

I said it first here that "Harvard is over rated any way. It seems Harvard folks are either not too smart or down right diabolocal based on the arguments they put forward".

The sad reality of Americans:

they are discussing, with the war going on, if there might be a twist of words in an attack on McCain -

instead of discussing the WAR that is ruining American lives, American economy, American national security and the American reputation in the world.
And in the meantime, it is destroying Iraq and any sense of order in the Arab world.

A war whose most prominent cheerleader now is John McCain.

But the MSM is writing lengthy articles about some radio host who calls McCain a 'war monger' for being a cheerleader of an illegal and disastrous war...

And people here attack Obama instead of the man who wants to make our total disaster even greater...

AMERICA, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU !?!?!

Roger Miller,
Good point, and there you go with that math thing again. Obama supporters are quick to point out that Obama excels when looking at the campaign math threw the eyes of an Obama supporter. I did notice that the guy bowled a 37, which is not bad for a Harvard elite.
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Obama bowls a 37.
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The essence is "Obama says and does anything to win a election. A phony". Get it?

I think you are splitting hair and you are not talking about a real issue. I think you would have contributed to a real debate if you had focused on the essence of the matter, instead of writing about minor distortion on form. The essence, to me, is occupation of the country for 100 or more years would likely be a source of continued war, judging by how things have gone in Iraq. Given what the reason was to go to war and how things turned out to be, it is not responsible to suggest occupying the country up to 100 years. So if you really want talk about the real issue, ask people to debate this question: "Given the Iraq situation, what does it mean to you when a presidential candidate suggests that US military would be present in Iraq for up to 100 or more years as far as there are no casualties?"

No one bends the truth like Obama. When he does it about Hillary, the media conveniently ignores his remarks, but when he twists McCain's words, suddenly, there's a problem. Obama lost his credibility long before he began to embellish McCain's positions, he lost it when he lied about Rezko, NAFTA, Rev. Wright, Exelon, his associations with lobbyists, and about virtually everything else that suits his political purposes.

Hillary or McCain '08

Al,
The article today is about Obama getting busted with his distortions. Can we talk about that? You folks are busting Hillary's chops non-stop. Could you at least hold on to the imaginary defects until there has been some due diligence around it?
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Obama did it, it must be Hillary's fault!
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WCM,

How dare you compare Newman to Obama? Newman works on some days when it doesn't rain and delivers almost 50% mail.

Obama, he only hates America 45% of the time.

Phillip,
The problem with your analysis is this -- Obama has already publicly stated, recorded in video clips, that he knows that McCain was not speaking about 100 years of active war, but a post-war presence. He can't backtrack on his own analysis, or can he? Maybe he was a Newman fan during the Seinfeld years.
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Maybe Obama is like Newman!
Hello, Hillary! Goodbye Newman!
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Does McCain even know that a large majority of Iraqis want the Americans to get out?

Does McCain realize that this war will alredy last longer than the World Wars did?

Has McCain been paying any attention to what the prolonged Chechen War has meant for Russia?

I'm afraid McCain's ideology is Simplism. I want Obama and Clinton to verbally attack him as strong as possible, for the man would mean disaster for our country would he become President.

I can't believe how people will quibble over the smallest of things but leave the big issues untouched.
McCain may have seemed rational a few years ago but not now. Sorry, I know PTSD and Alzheimers when I see it. It would be disastrous to elect this man.
Further, who cares if he said leave the troops there for 100 years or continue the war 100 years. Both are asinine proposals. A simple gauge and a simple question to ask any of the candidates about continuing this debacle: If this war were being waged in a country without a huge oil reserve would we still be involved? Doesn't anybody else see why we have let Afghanistan go basically unchecked? This isn't rocket science, folks. Bush, Cheney, McCain, Clinton and probably Obama want the oil. They are just too cowardly to admit it. They want total control, end of story.
I agree. This editorial was worthless. MSM is so far up the ass of McCain, it would be laughable if not for the fact it is so frightening.

I think anybody who was in that room on that day would get the impression that Senator MCain wants American soldiers to continue their presence in Iraq indefinitely especially the guy who asked the question.

And what are we talking about here? Are you suggesting that American soldiers are not fighting a war now in Iraq; that they are just staying there and having a good time like soldiers in Korea? Tell that to the families of soldiers who hears on the news that another american soldier has just been killed.

Senator McCain is trying to have it both ways and you are helping him. How can he say that Americans will stay there for 100 years as long as they are not being injured or killed. That's hilharious. Well Senator McCain, they are being injured and killed month after month over a war that should have never been authorized.save the lives of these brave men and get them out!

I am laughing so hard, because the media is doing all they can to say that the independents and the republicans will vote for Obama in the remaining primaries.

We all know that Obama may get some Independents, but Republicans, what a joke.

Like A Republican will lean all the way to the left(as far to the left that you could go with Obama), and not lean towards Hillary whom is more in the middle as the Republicans would vote.

More information from the Democratic controlled media, trying to persuade voters to vote for Obama in the remaining primaries.

Obama needs to be exposed for what he is. The mainstream media will not talk about this. Spread the word about this link.

Obama Supporters,
Pay attention to what Henda says. Henda doesn't deny that Obama is twisting the truth, instead Henda spins off of it, and says go for it Obama!

The rest of you Obama supporters that are pointing the finger at Hillary, pointing the finger at Jake, denying what Obama has done, take heed. You are just being cynical and negative. Henda is being proactive and positive. You should consider Henda for Vice President. Henda doesn't attack the messenger, Henda consumes the messenger's words, and regurgitates it back to the rest of the little penguins. Good job Henda.
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Pay attention to Henda for Henda knows!
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BTW, thanks Lou.

Obama is twisting again just like he did last summer ... in Iowa ... promising farm subsidies which MAC opposes. We are really getting hosed by the big Agri-biz companies getting billions in tax dollars.

There is more to life on this planet than what is happening or not happening in Iraq.

Obama and Clinton are twisting the truth about what is happening in Colombia. If you know anything about the politics of South America - you will know there is a struggle between Hugo Chavez and his left wing goons in Bolivia and Ecuador and President Uribe of Colombia.

Both Obama and Clinton favor Chavez against Uribe.

STOP WORRYING!!!!
As soon as we stop using oil, we'll be OUT of he whole Middle East!

And at the rate we're using it, it'll be a lot less than 100 years.

We'll probably already have a viable alternative energy source in 50-60 years, though if you think that the war is expensive, wait until you find out how expensive conversion will be!!!
And wait until we start having serious energy rationing until then!!!!

Oh, den we all gon' be cryin' da blues!!!

I am rolling on the floor laughing, thinking about how all Americans think that the freedoms, rights, and the lifestyle we have shouldn't cost much!!!!

The only one who can save America is: SURPRISE!!!!!!
EACH single one of us, taking individual responsibility for our actions, and,
conserving energy and resources just the way our grand- and great- grandparents did?

Only an idiot looks to politicians and government to solve anything.

When you hear someone say "Hi, I'm from the government, and I'm here to help,"
grab your wallet, your gun, and your family, and head for the hills.

BTW - yes I am a conservative Repub.

Obama: A man school in the arts of duplicity and a practitioner of those arts.

I rather have a President whom is proud of his country; than a President whom gives Great Speeches".

Jake: "It's beyond me why Obama would want to change the focus of this debate from McCain's willingness to have troops in Iraq indefinitely to his misrepresentation of what McCain said."

But not beyond me! Obama does NOT change the focus, on the contrary: he focuses on what a continued US presence in a divided Arab muslim country will mean till the end of times: war, attacks against Americans and a fueling of radical islamists' hate of the USA.

McCain's story is a soft-core fantasy about hardcore reality. Remember as well how Bin Laden as a Saudi became the terrorist monnster he is: his anger and hatred of Americans was fueled most and foreall by the continued American military presence on Saudi soil.

Obama is very much RIGHT on this and IMO he should attack McCain on this issue and the 100 years fanatsy even harder.

Obama is a , , with no sense of patriotism. He's such a lying who's secretly wanting to .

Seriously... can we stop all the name calling and labeling and resort to more educated discussions on differences between Hillary and Obama.

I swear, its only been in the past month or so that supporters, particularly Clinton supporters, have just give up trying to explain why their candidate is better and have resorted to being incredibly insulting and demeaning against everyone who doesn't agree with them.

I understand your frustration, and I understand that its hard to debate policy differences when they have the exact same voting record in Senate with the exception of just 1 vote. But please, don't resort to this 9 year old "my dad is stronger than your dad" stuff.