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Obama Explains Why Some Small Town Pennsylvanians Are "Bitter"
April 11, 2008 3:59 PM
The Huffington Post's Mayhill Fowler reports that, at that same San Francisco fundraiser where Obama revealed his previously unknown college sojourn to Pakistan, the junior senator from Illinois seemed to try to get inside the mind of small towners in Pennsylvania, with a dose of sociology and a dollop of dime-store psychology.
"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
It seems to me that this comment could be interpreted fairly easily as dismissing people who hold views on guns, or religion, or immigration, or trade because they believe in those views -- and not because they're "bitter" or lashing back at a system that has discarded them.
- jpt
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I have a lot of friends and family that live in rural PA. And many of them are pissed off that their jobs are being exported to cheap labor overseas. And they have every right to be angry at a government that has ignored them.
And what does rev. wright have to do with anything? Be reasonable people.
Posted by: anyone | Apr 15, 2008 12:26:41 AM
Folks, when you have a presidential nominee who belongs to--gives his heart to-- a Church with a Preacher who makes the statements he does, what do you expect? Birds of a feather do stick together. He also belongs to the black caucus in the Senate. That alone makes me waunder why there should be segregration. If he segregates as a senator, he would do the same with small town rural people. He is more concerned with inner city politics and what he can do there.
Posted by: dennis fite | Apr 14, 2008 4:21:11 PM
Oppsss... I drink to much wine so I missspoke!
Posted by: Julie | Apr 14, 2008 1:37:46 AM
The best thing that could happen is that the desperate attack by Clinton on Obama's use of the word "bitter" becomes a debatable issue on Wednesday. The truth of the statements will again show her as out of touch and leaning on the media to limit candor and serious discussion about the real feelings of America.
Tell me which of these definitions for "biter" don't fit for those who've lost hope and opportunity over the last 25 years
2: marked by intensity or severity: a: accompanied by severe pain or suffering b: being relentlessly determined : vehement c: exhibiting intense animosity d (1): harshly reproachful (2): marked by cynicism and rancor e: intensely unpleasant especially in coldness or rawness
3: expressive of severe pain, grief, or regret
I'm as independent a voter as one will find, and will vote Obama because ultimately honest remarks like this can't be spun by the media. The truth of the remarks will resurface to show that policies of old like NAFTA, steel legislation that limited competitive advantage, and inept immigration laws have all caused "bitterness." Senator McClain and Bill and Hilliary have been
major players in legislation that created much of this bitterness.
Posted by: jeoff123 | Apr 13, 2008 7:27:14 AM
I bet Obama comments probably can be traced back to what Rev. Wright might have said in one of his sermons.
It would not surprise me if there is a tape of Rev. Wright sayng the same thing in church.
I hope the media that have gumshun will look into this. Obama cannot just come to this concluson by himself. This is the Rev. Wright influence that we all fear. 20 years of listening to garbage in that church has to take a toll on Obama and his family.
Posted by: Sam | Apr 13, 2008 12:30:47 AM
It would be interesting to see how much overtime Roland Martin will put in at CNN to try and bury the story.
Did you see how camp Obama try to deny ever saying something like that until the audio was played out? To me, that is the bigger problem - this pattern of LIES.
Wake up America! Wake up!
Posted by: SO1 | Apr 13, 2008 12:07:53 AM
I think Obama should return to giving inspiring "plagiarized speeches" borrowed from Rev. Wright.
Speaking off the cuff is not working. Somebody prepare him a speech before he ruins the Democratic party.
The more he tries to explain the comment the worse it becomes.
Posted by: SO | Apr 13, 2008 12:01:07 AM
"By no means does Obama knows all... The problem however, is that he clearly articulates the situation and challenges us to work our way towards solutions."
Oh, yeah. He's all about challenging us to "working towards solutions." Of which he has precious few, I should note.
I haven't seen a more shallow, more hollow politician than Barak Obama in ages. The guy just spouts off about hope and unity in countless platitudes, never expressing how those are to be obtained. Then when you finally get the guy off with this elitist, arrogant brethren, he obliterates his message of hope and unity in ridiculous and uncomprehending condescention.
I'm happy to see him go down in flames. He has been tossing around his fluff for far too long.
Posted by: CMartel2 | Apr 12, 2008 8:29:27 PM
If you are not bitter you will be by the election is over. I love Hillary Clinton but I am not voting for her. It has been said and proven that Obama and Hillary have the same policy pretty much. It is also said that they have voted the same as she has in the senate. Stop being victims of trickery politics. They say who is more electable. It’s like the glass half empty or half full. Anyone is electable but some are easier to beat. Democrats we are so close to winning this thing but because of our divisiveness we are closer to loosing this. I urge you to look at your life, your children's lives and ask yourself are you willing to risk things getting worse for you and your family just to vote for someone who is likely to loose and not vote for someone with the same policies and more likely to win. When you make these comments or go to the polls during the primaries take a moment to unselfishly think about your children, your family, and your future. Republicans (not all) are not switching their party in large numbers in order to vote for Hillary because they believe in her. The republican despises the Clintons. It is because they know that voting for her in the primaries secures the Whitehouse for four more years. I only expect the intelligent bloggers to get this. All the polls and statistics indicate that Hillary's supporter is uneducated. I have to believe different but the republicans are banking on our ignorance and stupidity. However, I must admit when I hear how people respond to these silly politics, it makes me wonder if they are right. Many of would like to believe that we would do anything for our children. But would we put our differences aside so that a Democrat will win office. This is what I had to do. Otherwise, I would have voted for Hillary. This is not American Idol. Do your own research. She will not win. The Republican have a full proof plan together ready to unleash it on her. They can't do the same for Obama.
Posted by: Sherry | Apr 12, 2008 5:56:15 PM
For to long people like Obama have looked down thier nose at hard working class people it shows what class he is in. This is not being taken well in Pa.
Posted by: Bishop | Apr 12, 2008 5:14:04 PM
Hillary Clinton and John McCain inner thoughts Friday night: "Thank you Obama, thank you." So much for the knock-out blow in PA.
Posted by: David | Apr 12, 2008 2:04:19 PM
Being born of mixed parentage, Obama secretly wishes he was 100% caucasian.....................and for this reason, he has a big 'chip' on his shoulder!!! The more he talks, the more he 'turns off' the voters. I notice 'they' have gagged Michele!!!
Posted by: PaGirl | Apr 12, 2008 2:03:42 PM
President of Disneyland? No thanks.
Hillary and McCain are playing Pollyanna politics.
You can mince his words to your pleasure, but Obama is telling it like it is.
Americans are bitter when their customer service phone calls are answered by someone with an Indian accent.
Americans are bitter about policies that favor job outsourcing.
Posted by: ostracizzle | Apr 12, 2008 1:06:50 PM
Let's correct a few things here. Obama was only talking about black racists, white racists and Hispanic racists who are registered democrats. The dem party spends money talking about race and they are talking about themselves.
Pay attention to this dem bloodletting. It will be a huge Republican sweep in November. One wonders how many communists were in the audience in good old, *let's declare San Francisco and open city.*
Posted by: Richard | Apr 12, 2008 11:49:21 AM
If you haven't herd by now Sen. Barack Obama stepped in it out in San Fran speaking like a typical Fly-over Stater about Central Pennsylvania.
"And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Irony Essence Magazine Rolland Martin made an excuse for the comment by also answering the question of "what happens to you and your community when the economics change" you adjust and moved on. For the rest of you kids, the Rust Belt region of the US have had problems since the 1970's so what grinds my gears is when Obama used this time to "convently" blame Bush and Clinton...
... This leads into a poor lesson in Civics. The Nations Capital dose not have all the answers however your state house just might, your mayors office just might. I keep tell you that the power is in you, not a senator from Illinois. Or any other politician for that matter. These people serve you, you serve you God, family then Nation.
Whats that smell, your candidate just stepped in it deep... Hillary wins PA.
McCain Wins in Nov
Posted by: Jibreel Riley | Apr 12, 2008 11:46:30 AM
I live in a small town in PA, Obama. I only spend my time frustrated and bitter about the way the government is run, taking a huge chunk of my hard-earned income and wasting it on useless programs. That is what I spend my time doing.
Posted by: Richard | Apr 12, 2008 11:32:47 AM
Obama made it sound like the people who lost their jobs are just sitting around, going to church and stroking their guns. I think it was not wise to discuss these people in San Franciso with a room full of rich contributors. Why not address it in Pa to thse affected? Working people are the backbone of this nation. He should apologize and stop digging deeper. He's never experienced such circumstances. It seemed he was sitting on his throne looking down on the "little people". He shouldn't try to define them but rather discuss with them.
Posted by: Vivi | Apr 12, 2008 11:25:51 AM
There's no doubt that Michelle is bitter but what's her excuse?? She didn't loose her job, in fact she got some kind of kick-back raise when BHO was elected senator. Whatever the source of her bitterness, it's obvious that it made her and BHO "cling" to Jeremiah Wright and their anti-American, racist, hate mongering "religion". Perhaps BHO Freud can reflect upon that with his dime store psychology.
Posted by: Mary | Apr 12, 2008 11:25:21 AM
tchanta,
Thanks for quoting Obama, changing the subject again. Funny how his condescending, arrogant, inaccurate characterization of small-town residents gets magically transformed into an attack on Countrywide and Citibank Mastercard. It's amazing how the magician-in-chief is always able to pull off that sleight of hand without "people like you" noticing. (Yes, I'm stereotyping you as an incurious, credulous dupe -- how do you like it)?
And CaribbeanOutsider, you are missing the point. First of all, his remarks are not "true." They are an interpretation. He said, for example, that small-town Pennsylvanians are "anti-immigrant" because they don't like people who are "different" than themselves. I saw they don't like illegal immigration because it depresses wages for everyone, siphons billions of dollars from our ecomnomy which is then sent to Mexico, overtaxes our schools and hospitals and creates an underclass. Is what I said "true"? Or am I just a racist?
Open your eyes and ears, people. Obama is getting criticized (finally) because he fundamentally misunderstands this country, its people and its problems because he has lived in a cocoon of privilege his entire life.
Posted by: ajalkov | Apr 12, 2008 10:48:35 AM
Obama got the Washington insiders cornered.
McCain and Hillary are saying: We stick it to you, we ship jobs to China, but you are not allowed to be mad!
Senator Clinton says ‘No, I don’t think that people are bitter in Pennsylvania. You know, I think Barack’s being condescending.’ John McCain says, ‘Oh, how could he say that? How could he say people are bitter? You know, he’s obviously out of touch with people.’
“Out of touch? Out of touch? I mean, John McCain—it took him three tries to finally figure out that the home foreclosure crisis was a problem and to come up with a plan for it, and he’s saying I’m out of touch? Senator Clinton voted for a credit card-sponsored bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people to get out of debt after taking money from the financial services companies, and she says I’m out of touch? No, I’m in touch. I know exactly what’s going on. I know what’s going on in Pennsylvania. I know what’s going on in Indiana. I know what’s going on in Illinois. People are fed-up. They’re angry and they’re frustrated and they’re bitter. And they want to see a change in Washington and that’s why I’m running for President of the United States of America.”
Posted by: tchanta | Apr 12, 2008 10:32:02 AM
I understand his remarks were in the context of explaining to one of his supporters what she was likely to encounter should she venture into the wilds of rural Pennsylvania. LOL--rather like an anthropologist on Wild Kingdom--tread softly and listen carefully and you may hear the wail of the embittered red-necked Pennsylvania sapsucker...
I especially like that he added "anti-trade sentiment" to the list of frustration-driven phobias for the benefit of the Left Coast crowd. Was that another wink and nod to his crowd that all that anti-NAFTA malarkey was just that for the benefit of the rubes? Way to go O-Man. Winning hearts and minds and unifying the people.
And Obama? One thing about the folks in PA? They generally don't like hearing their state referred to as "mid-western."
Posted by: SukieTawdry | Apr 12, 2008 9:53:16 AM
I will not reward a racist with the White House....who has sold out his own people in Illinois for Rezko and others.
He was a community organizer to get street cred, because he certainly didn't get it in Hawaii. And like every town and every state Hawaii has a tough part of town, but Obama knew he couldn't walk down there with them. They would see right through him.
He has to wait until he 'cared' about the poor folks in the US, wait until he had his eye on the public trough.
He wants the big cash like the Clinton's got after the White House. There is nothing in that plan for the rest of us. I doubt Obama will raise black folks wages $7800 like Pres Clinton did.
He has never run a state like a Gov does. He has never run a business. He has absolutely no real life experience except the example of his rich grandparents and mother ripping of the state so she could go to school in leisure, while the rest of us paid for it.
My mother had to work several jobs to go to school as a single mother. And didn't have rich paretns to pay private school tuition to keep him away from those Hawaiians who would see right through him.
No thanks....he knows nothing about being poor or middle class. The man still hasn't helped his African relatives into a proper house. When illegal immigrants from Mexico help their family throughout their years in America, sending back money to help them into better houses and businesses back home.
But not Obama....he couldn't help his family.
He shows time and again what his priorities are and it isn't the common folk. It isn't even poor folk as his actions in Illinois and Africa prove.
Yuck...an illegal immigrant on dollars a day helps their family more than Obama has in a lifetime.
Posted by: Karma | Apr 12, 2008 9:49:47 AM
Terry don't be stupid. Hillary and McCain never said such things. Hillary never said all Pennsylvanians are happy and all is well and perfect. She said Pennsylvanians are resilient. She was defending that Pennsylvanians have strong character and spirit. However, that doesn't mean she doesn't recognize the problems. She is the one promoting the revitalization of manufacturing and steel industries in America as well as new green collared jobs. She is also the one proposing extensive breast cancer research and a Czar on Poverty. She is the one who donated 10% of her income to charities. Bill clinton also started a program to help build houses for hurricane katrina victims. Just because she used positive adjectives to describe pennsylvanians, does not mean she is oblivious to the economic problems. (it was also Hillary who started about the growing housing crisis since 2007, which now Barack claims to have assessed himself)
Posted by: joe | Apr 12, 2008 8:32:00 AM
Well I for one am relieved that Hussein explained the reason I attend church every weekend. I didn't know it was because I was "bitter". You folks backing him must be very proud. Everytime he opens his mouth this guy is showing about as much tact as Bill Clinton.
/sarcasm off
Posted by: dmc | Apr 12, 2008 8:30:10 AM
terry,
...and what about the selfish, arrogance of a neophyte to the political/national/international scene, that thinks a "vision" will miraculously take form AND be passed by congress, as well as thinking he can run a country/
Posted by: pp | Apr 12, 2008 8:22:16 AM
See no evil, hear no evil? If Hillary only see happy and optimistic people in these communities that are ravaged by unemployment, how can she claim to know what they are going through.
I think she and Mccain are truly, truly out of touch with reality. They are only picking on Obama to further their selfish political ambitions.
Posted by: Terry K | Apr 12, 2008 8:16:07 AM
Obama was asked what questions/comments to expect from potential voters... In response to that question he detailed several types of people... Indeed, some persons are quite poor and they do feel that all is lost, they are sick and tired of promises and as such they have lost confidence in the system/politicians. I am not too sure what world some of you live in but some people do respond to financial downfalls by resorting to drugs, alcohol, smoking, gambling, religion, crime, sports, recreation, education, suicide, hatred....and the list goes on and on.... So just take the time to understand that these statements are very very very very real. Obama also took the time to state that this is in 'some communities' ... If some of us will take the time to listen and then reflect maybe our undestanding will be more in tune to what was said.
By no means does Obama knows all... The problem however, is that he clearly articulates the situation and challenges us to work our way towards solutions. The question is...Do we wish to conduct our own introspection? There can never be any real solution until we choose to recognize the problem.
Barack's problem may very much be the fact that he is indeed a dreamer who has confidence in others seeing the light/dawn. ...but alas! Few but very few really see the dawn....
Posted by: CaribbeanOutsider | Apr 12, 2008 8:09:34 AM
It's stupid to say, Hillary and McCain is rich so they don't get it. Are you Obama supporters ignorant? He made 1.7 million in just 2007 alone. He lives in a Mansion in chicago while his district has poor people living in slums with no heat or electricity. His dad was discovered as a rich Kenyan,not as a goats herdsman as Barack keeps sayin. He lived in suburban Hawaii in which his providers worked as a vice president in a Bank. Then he went to all the prep schools and then college. Stop trying to pretend he is some rags to richest story.
Bara
Posted by: hello | Apr 12, 2008 7:54:10 AM
Thanks, gary, well said!
Posted by: pp | Apr 12, 2008 7:30:30 AM
Obama can try to spin this from now until November - but the Swiftboats will be spinning him so fast he won't know what way is up. There's no acceptable reason to bash over half of the people in America if you think you're qualified to be president.
Posted by: YouHaveGotToBeKidding | Apr 12, 2008 7:26:46 AM
The 2008 election was supposed to be a referendum on Iraq and the GOP and a landslide for the Democrats. Instead Barack Obama has made it a referendum on Black people and their mentality of militant victim hood. This mentality has clearly -jumped the shark- in an America where Asians are wealthier than Whites, where Hispanics outnumber Blacks, and where Black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean come here voluntarily and do well.
Martin Luther King was a great American. MLK would never have stood and listen to haters without speaking up. Obama’s spiritual advisor like Wright, Lee, Meeks, Jackson, Sharpton are discrediting what MLK stood for in life. These haters are opening the gates to something that is not health for America.
Somewhere, Martin Luther King is hanging his head in despair that the movement he worked so hard and gave his life for has been hijacked by HATRED.
Posted by: Gary Schroeder | Apr 12, 2008 7:20:24 AM
This is exactly the reason why there is a racial gap in this country, Whites are mad this Black man said something like this. Or some will say he should have voted no instead of present. But the fact is he is DEAD RIGHT in what he said White America right now is mad about "illegal" immigration, because "they" are coming over here taking "our" jobs. The jobs have left this country over the last 15 to 20 years ever since Reagan broke the air traffic controllers union. Why isn't anybody talking about Hillary helping rubberstamp everything the current administration pushed through. It's no different, she did nothing to stand up to this administration. Don't demonize this man for telling the truth, look in the mirror and look at what's staring back.
Posted by: Lucius Fieldon | Apr 12, 2008 6:49:20 AM
How it it "Arm chair psychology?" If you read the entire quote, you can see he's on their side, and feels empathy for their pain.
Obama had by far the poorest upbringing of the three candidates. His mother was on food stamps from time to time, for cripe's sake. He went to school on scholarship and had to take after school jobs at Burger King and Baskin Robbins.. He didn't make $109 million in seven years and he is not married to a beer heiress.
This is just an excuse to jump on Obama instead of really looking at what he has to say and using it as a springboard for dialog
Posted by: Sally | Apr 12, 2008 4:26:09 AM
Having been born into a relatively poor family myself, I see no merit in having a President who shares my background. Nor need my President look like me, nor share my religion. But at least I would like one who, having achieved adulthood, landed on the same planet. Obama lives in ultra-liberal la la land, and the real problem with him is that, like all uber-liberals, he is convinced he knows us. He is, paradoxically, like the great white hunter who THINKS he knows us because he visited our land and traded beads for our elephant tusks.
Posted by: dyinglikeflies | Apr 12, 2008 4:18:04 AM
once again obama reveals his feelings about white people and about God.
then he tries to spin it away.
Posted by: so saddened | Apr 12, 2008 3:59:10 AM
harping on the word 'bitter' is like harping on the word 'bosnia.' without the complete context, you're making an uninformed opinion.
"But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- close tax loopholes, roll back, you know, the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American. So we'll go down a series of talking points.
But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing."
Posted by: kravitz | Apr 12, 2008 3:15:28 AM
I'm sure credible pschologists and those in the medical field would vouch that people facing hard times are bitter. I would be bitter if I were o lose my job and my home, and my children are starving and without a roof over their heads. With rising crimes, who would want to give up their guns? And who wouldn't pray harder to save this from sinking. What do rich folks, like the Clintons, the Bushes, the McCains know about the poor being desperate and bitter. They've never have to face poverty. Senator Clinton must be blind to the desperation the PA voters are facing in their state. How can those facing hard reality be resilient. Resilent to what when they know that the Government and the Baron Robbers are not on their side! As usual, Sen Clinton lives in her fanrasy island. She just doesn't het it!
Posted by: Bill B | Apr 12, 2008 2:12:56 AM
what sort of fallout would there be if hillary had said something to the effect of: i know there are blacks in the inner cities that feel they are at a deadend, no jobs, no prospect of getting ahead, no hope. this is why they have gotten guns, become addicted to, and selling drugs, join gangs and shoot each other. they are just bitter...
she would be tar and feathered...the mainstream media just lets bho continue with his free pass...as this will.
Posted by: pp | Apr 12, 2008 1:23:38 AM
He should bow out of the race now. Clearly he has no interest in representing or even relating to the American people. He is a SCAM. I was born in a small town and so was John Mellancamp! Who needs this guy!
Posted by: Tom Burris | Apr 12, 2008 12:06:10 AM
How about THIS for why some big town denizens are perturbed with B O:
"From DD --
ELEVEN buildings in your district, and you didn't know about the problems? Or was it that, given a choice between helping your constituents or taking "fixer" money from Tony Rezko, you chose the latter?
Here's what your constituents put up with before those buildings were foreclosed and shut down (leaving your constituents without a roof over their heads):
Let us listen to constituents of Obama who resided in Rezko's tenements. Here is Joann Larkins, a resident of a dilapidated Rezko structure just eight blocks from the palatial mansion Obama jointly purchased with Rezko:
Mrs Larkins, 51, lives just seven city blocks away, in a district where posters advertise "dirt cheap properties" and "foreclosure advice". She moved there almost a decade ago, taking a subsidised apartment with her 20-year-old daughter and one-year-old grandson in a building that had fallen into neglect when run by Mr Rezko.
The family boiled water on the stove and draped plastic sheeting across the windows in an effort to keep warm during the city's bitter winters, as the heating was not working. Rubbish piled up uncollected and repeated requests for basic repairs were ignored.
"It was a terrible place to live: there were a lot of drug dealers and people fighting and getting shot," Mrs Larkins, a widow who receives invalidity benefit, told The Sunday Telegraph.
"The owners never took any interest in the place; they just wanted the rent money. We had to call the city just to get the garbage collected."
The 44-apartment complex was one of 30 low-income housing projects run by Mr Rezko and his partners with funds from the city during the 1990s. By early this decade, many were boarded up as bills and mortgage payments went unpaid, but Mr Rezko moved into the fast-food business, while tenants like the Larkins struggled with the legacy of his management.
Janet Jenkins, a neighbor of another Rezko property in Obama's state Senate district, also witnessed squalor and crime:
Janet Jenkins witnessed the deterioration of one building that Rezmar co-developed with the Chicago Urban League a dozen years ago. Today, the 12-unit building at 62nd Street and Rhodes is boarded up. And she's glad.
"Oh, absolutely,'' said Jenkins, 57, who lives a few doors south of the building. "That building has been a problem to this block for years.
"We had numerous complaints. Drug selling. Prostitution. The whole nine yards. Filthy. Deplorable. Rats. Mice. Roaches. Urine. Feces. Name it.''
Posted by: Obama can't talk himself out of this one | April 11, 2008 10:32 PM "
GIVE 'EM HELL, HILLARY!!!!!
Posted by: questioner | Apr 11, 2008 11:27:09 PM
Rob: Thanks for the clarification. Then, the answer is no, unless Obama is the Democratic nominee.
Posted by: Fred | Apr 11, 2008 11:07:15 PM
Daddio: If he were on the ballot, I might give it some thought.
Posted by: Fred | Apr 11, 2008 11:00:25 PM
So, pragmatically speaking, Fred, are you saying that you'll vote for Johnny B. Good?
Posted by: Daddio | Apr 11, 2008 10:57:51 PM
Yup, the guy has lied since Day 1!!!!!!
Rise, Hillary, Rise!'08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | Apr 11, 2008 10:57:13 PM
As I said Teri...PEACE!
Just be prepared when you use things out of context to divide for me to bring the full context out so that people can judge the whole story and not just the part of it that helps your agenda.
Posted by: Rob | Apr 11, 2008 10:37:03 PM
Ya know, Rob, you may have missed this small detail, but this isn't about me. I'm hardly the focus of this discusssion, nor would I like to be. If you've got a problem with my "facts," point them out. Otherwise, how about you say what you like, and I'll say what I like, and we'll all live happily ever after in undivided bliss.
Posted by: Teri B. | Apr 11, 2008 10:34:07 PM
Daddio...the truth STINGS!
What is happening here is Sen. Obama is bringing up things which need to be discussed, the fact that typical Washington and political blowhards and the Washington media are the furthest thing from being in touch with us in Small town PA. We are hurting.
Now if the Hillary sore losers want to use something out of context to divide us...oh well!
Posted by: Rob | Apr 11, 2008 10:33:59 PM
wrongo.
I stay away from everyone but Jake, The New Yorker, The Hofstra Chronicle, Chicago Tribune, my wee town paper, and Stephen King.
Occasionally I get to watch Oprah.
Posted by: questioner | Apr 11, 2008 10:31:06 PM
"They fell through the Clinton Admin. . . " Again, he has the audacity of arrogance to criticize Pres. Clinton's economic policies, when his biggest economic acheivment is getting Rezko to help him buy his house.
Obama's achilles heel is arrogance.
Posted by: Teri B. | Apr 11, 2008 10:16:42 PM
Hey Teri thanks for proving the point Daddio and I are saying....your post is out of context because you have a specific dividing agenda.
TRUTH = Small town PA which I am a part of is bitter because typical politicians like McCain and Clinton do nothing for us. All they do is divide us with wedge issues like "guns", "homophobia", and "religion"!
TRY READING THE ENTIRE CONTEXT!
Posted by: Rob | Apr 11, 2008 10:15:23 PM
We're dividing our nation?!? Are you mental?
I guess he could be more divisive than this, but it would take some doing: "So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." Barack Obama.
Posted by: Teri B. | Apr 11, 2008 10:11:47 PM
That's a big 10-4 Rob. Did the rest of you miss this portion of his comments:
"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.
Sean Hannity only described the last sentence of his remarks as well. Do you guys consider yourselves to be in good company?
Posted by: Daddio | Apr 11, 2008 10:10:25 PM
@Carl -
I was going to write a really mean reply about Obama, but then I saw your post. Sometimes we forget that silence can speak volumes and to make a point doesn't have to mean one upsmanship. You bought it home to me that there are people who are not just angry at his remarks, but also hurt. I hope Obama's campaign refunds your money. Best of luck to you.
Posted by: LeeLee07 | Apr 11, 2008 10:09:56 PM
To me good reporting is putting things in context and getting the facts right.
But hey what do I know!
So for all those who live for dividing our nation, keep it going!
Posted by: Rob | Apr 11, 2008 10:07:49 PM
Jake isn't pro-Clinton in his reporting. In fact, he pretty even-handed. You're just not used to seeing that in the media in this primary. It's call journalism, a rare nearly forgotten art form that we should strive to preserve.
Posted by: Teri B. | Apr 11, 2008 10:05:24 PM
Carl,
What are u talking about??? What Sen. Obama said is simple he clearly is saying that people in the working class do not vote based on the economy anymore because noone gets anything done!
They are forced to vote based on wedge issues to divide all of America like Gun Laws, Homophobia, and Religion.
Are you serious with your Marx babble, that Marx babble, you are playing right into the hands of those who want to divide us!!!!!!!
Posted by: Rob | Apr 11, 2008 10:03:13 PM
This really hurts because I was the biggest Obama supporter out there in Scranton. I have donated about $2000 to the Obama campaign that I now wish I could have back. Ok, I let the comment about your grandmother slide, I saw your perspective. But this comment is too much. Religion is a symptom of a despondent, depressed America? Does Obama think he is Karl Marx? Say it isn’t so, really, say it isn’t so. I don’t believe a word you say anymore, and I will be e-mailing Mr Axelrod for a refund tonight.
Posted by: Carl | Apr 11, 2008 9:59:48 PM
Yikes! It would appear that I have stumbled upon a nest of Hillary supporters. Best of luck to you.
She is a valuable contribitor in the Senate and I think she will continue to do good work there.
See ya in November!
Posted by: Daddio | Apr 11, 2008 9:57:29 PM
I live in PA and let me tell you something out there in America and in the "media", Obama has it right. We are bitter!!!
Bitter at the same old Washinton that does nothing to help the common people, the working class. They only talk to us when they want a vote!
To me it is typical Washington how both Clinton and McCain responded, they need to get over themselves and actually talk to the people of PA and get "in touch" with them.
Barack Obama with his statements shows he is the candidate most in touch with how we here in PA feel!
Posted by: Rob | Apr 11, 2008 9:56:25 PM
Mr. Tapper has been so consistently biased (anti-Obama) in his reportage that the Clinton campaign ought to put Tapper on their payroll. When Hillary Clinton attempts a silly "gotcha" like this one-- taking a benign comment from Senator Obama in which he clearly empathized with Pennsylvanians' frustration at losing jobs and being disappointed by false promises in the past from politicians, and intentionally distorting what he said in her pathetic attempt to whip up anti-Obama sentiment in PA-- the press should do its job and point out that Senator Clinton is clutching at straws in her increasingly pathetic, desperate efforts to revive her sinking campaign. No one who read or heard Senator Obama's comments in San Francisco could have misinterpreted the compassion and empathy they reflect-- no one, that is, except a losing, rival Democratic campaign that was hoping it could con the press into running this non-story, and succeeded in doing so.
Frankly, I'm tired of ABC news and some of its rival news organizations' swallowing anything the Hillary Clinton campaign says about Senator Obama, hook line and sinker, and then regurgitating it as "news" for the public as if it is fact. Are you reporting the news, or trying to get your favorite candidate elected?
Posted by: Staton Rabin | Apr 11, 2008 9:55:53 PM
@ Daddio
That is exactly why other insignificant things like this matter because their solutions are almost the same EXCEPT Hillary is the one with the REAL UNIVERSAL healthcare plan.
Posted by: Don | Apr 11, 2008 9:52:32 PM
Hey, Mr. America
The whole your a bad American for discussing things we don't like went out with unpatrioc Bush Admin. shaming. Go burry your head in the sand.
Posted by: Teri B. | Apr 11, 2008 9:50:03 PM
Fred
That NAFTA myth has been debunked.
It's now clear that a Canadian news report that started this flap wasn't accurate. No evidence has surfaced to show that any Obama "staffer" telephoned the Canadian ambassador in Washington, and all concerned deny that any such conversation took place.
Monday, March 3: The Canadian embassy in Washington says it "deeply regrets" the affair, and that "there was no intention to convey, in any way" that Obama was being inconsistent about NAFTA
factcheck.org
Posted by: AkaDad | Apr 11, 2008 9:47:37 PM
Pennsylvanians aren't the only bitter ones, eh?
I just hope that those of you who are Hillary supporters will not settle for more of the last 4 years and support the democrat running in the general election.
I mean really, how far apart are their views?
Posted by: Daddio | Apr 11, 2008 9:46:08 PM
LMAO! Some of you are blaming Hillary for THIS? LOL! I know! She had the tape fabricated! This is hysterical! And who was it here who said he's describing "rednecks." ROTFL!
There's a certain irony here. His strength of rhetoric, his ideological circumspection, his enlightening philosophy may be what does him in.
Oprah and Dr. Phil can psychoanalize us Bub. We NEED someone who KNOWS how to DO the JOB. He has shown us nothing but platitudes. His experience is lacking, and his character vague. HE'S VAGUE.
We don't need a Psychologist in Chief. We don't need him to proclaim our motives for things we "cling" to or believe in. It's arrogant as hell coming from the man who wants to be our president.
He can keep his condecending revelations about our puny lives and write some more books.
Posted by: Teri B. | Apr 11, 2008 9:45:13 PM
The 3am ad is only racist because you want to see it that way. Get rid of that chip on your shoulder, it's blocking your view. Lying? Obama has lied about his whole life, to include his birth. Bill and Hill ain't got nothing on FalseLips (Obama). Think about it.
Rise, Hillary, Rise! '08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | Apr 11, 2008 9:43:47 PM
Don: The "deny first and then alter course once they are busted" routine has become a common characteristic of the Obama campaign. Same thing with the NAFTA/Canadian embassy issue. Same thing with Rev. Wright . . . and on and on.
Posted by: Fred | Apr 11, 2008 9:41:01 PM
Or, I guess, Hillary supporters. Did you mention her or Bill's stand on the truth? Or, how about her Rove-style, thinly veiled racist, 3:00 AM add?
Posted by: Daddio | Apr 11, 2008 9:39:22 PM
I love how you Obama supporter say he said the truth, and then you go on to say everything but what he actually said. Are you saying that because of the economy, blue collar workers "get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." If so, how in the world would you or Obama know such a thing? Does your lord and master have some sort of umbilical connection to the psyche of middle America?
Posted by: Fred | Apr 11, 2008 9:39:17 PM
@fool me once
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
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A compliment sandwich? He said something nice about Pennsylvanians then bad, bad, bad, bad, then something nice again? I'm sorry, but THAT WON'T WORK.
If it wasn't so bad then why did his campaign deny those statements at first? They later released a statement after a RECORDING of those comments surfaced.
John Kerry '04 = Barack Obama '08!
Posted by: Don | Apr 11, 2008 9:39:00 PM
@fool me once
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
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A complement sandwich? He said something nice about Pennsylvanians then bad, bad, bad, bad, then something nice again? I'm sorry, but THAT WON'T WORK.
If it wasn't so bad then why did his campaign deny those statements at first? They later released a statement after a RECORDING of those comments surfaced.
John Kerry '04 = Barack Obama '08!
Posted by: Don | Apr 11, 2008 9:38:09 PM
QUESTIONER
Explain to me how Hillary can win in the GE when 53% of voters view her unfavorably?
Posted by: AkaDad | Apr 11, 2008 9:36:45 PM
So are we going hear another off the issues/solution speech about the middle class ::COUGH:: [save my skin speech] ::COUGH:: that the media will herald as the best speech ever told?
Posted by: Don | Apr 11, 2008 9:32:34 PM
Let me take a wild guess here. You folks are regular listeners to right wing talking point radio.