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dj: Wake up and smell the coffee. Hillary wins big in PA. O can't close after Oprah, the Kennedys alive and dead, MLK, tons of money, a misogynist press cable and hard copy 24/7. No wins in the states that THE DEMOCRATS win and THE SWING states that the democrats need to win.

Clinton/Edwards 08! I believe and hope we can change the way the world treats women. Hillary is the way to create real change real fast!

How about this, since my post was removed. In answer to jbate, you totally did not read my first post. I'll reword my 2nd post in the form of a question and hopefully someone who knows will answer. Is it illegal to burn the American flag?

amazon traveler,

I think that you have been in the amazon too long!!
How in the world can you possibly excuse Hillary for the Bosnia issue?
Don't you see the deep implications of what she said?? Wake up and stop drinking that snake oil that the Clintons are handing out.
Face the FACTS. The Clintons are a discrace to this country. They proved it in the past and now they are proving it big time with this Bosnia issue. Look how Bill outright lied last week to try to squash this Bosnia thing. Hillary got right on him and shut him up. Just look into their faces when they told these lies and see how good they are. They are really convincing but any intelligent person can see right through these scam artists.
Clinton can't even manage her own campain. She's broke due to her mis management. How could she ever manage this country!!

It's so easy to confuse getting shot at by snipers with receiving a poem of peace from an eight-year-old. Natural mistake. Just ask Hillarious.

It's so easy to confuse getting shot at by snipers with receiving a poem of piece from an eight-year-old. Natural mistake. Just ask Hillary

So what? Obama has been throwing the toilet at Clinto 3 to 1. Why is no one asking where Obama is getting all him monies. Americans know that its not from average Americans. I don't know many Americans that can afford $1,000 (50% of all Obama donations).

ABC had one American that has given each month $50. This is a bit short of $1,000. This means that 241,000 donors gave Obams $1,000. This is allot of average Americans but not those that make the average American pay.

RL in Illinois:

This country is not about a flag pin; it’s not about a flag; it is more about a citizens right to burn that flag in protest. Anyone who thinks wearing a flag pin makes them patriotic is sick. It’s like a baby that cries, not because it hurts, but because it wants others to think it hurts. This country is about the right of a person to get up and put forth an opinion that others might totally disagree with, and you have the right to protest it . That is what America is about, that is what we should celebrate. Our military fights for our Constitutional right to burn that flag if we wish. It’s called freedom of speech. The right to express ourselves any way we wish.

Jackie:

Hillary did not just "embellish the landing at Bosnia," she told an elaborate, bald-faced lie that she had given a lot of thought to. She told this lie on at least three (3) separate occasions. Thank God for Sinbad for revealing this lie. And when Hillary was first questioned about it, she said: "Well you know Sinbad's a comedian," and just laughed it off. She had the nerve to laugh it off again on Jay Leno.

What moral posture does she have to lay the wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier on Memorial Day - none.

Yeah, he's from Chicago alright. Gutter politics. I don't think the retired general realized that the ONLY reason Obama put the flag pin on that day was to get the veterans to vote for him. Soldiers are dying in Vietnam at the same time Obama's Weather Underground friends are killing people in the US. Bad comparison, general.

Ou Tai:

I agree with you. Also, it should be noted the Hillary served on the board of Wal-Mart where her main function was the do all she can to suppress any efforts by the employee to establish a union. She succeeded: there is no union at Wal-Mart even today.

Misogyny is his campaign. That's not the china that is breaking, that's the Obama curtain coming down in a real campaign with real voting, not the keg parties. That't the money flowing out wasted on meaningless ads that say what he says... nothing.

Wait I hear the millions of women slamming the doors of their homes as they head to the polls with a car load of their girlfriends, they're voting for Hillary.

Millions of smart men listened in and they are setting a great example by taking their daughters to the polls so they can see their dad voting for Hillary.

Another major state, PA, goes for Hillary.

NC early voting picking up and the drum beat is Hillary! Hillary!

Indiana will go with Hillary!

Whine and rhyme now.

It's not only insulting to the military but also to civilians that have been hurt or killed by sniper fire. MLK for one and all the innocent people caught in the crossfire of inner city gangs etc. If ANY military officer ever lied and then joked about sniper fire they would be discharged immediatly. The commander in chief should be held to an even higher standard. Hillary has disqualified herself for being pres. I believe that she should be kicked out of the senate for her lie and joke about it. Ask the families that lost loved ones to sniper fire. They must be furious with Hillary. On MLK's anniversary Hillary was all teary eyed. Now a couple of weeks later she is joking about the very thing that killed him!! Ask Ted Kennedy what he went through after his brothers were killed by snipers.

Give me a break, Tapper. It wasn't a 'gaffe', it was a damn lie and her subsequent joke about it on late night tv was an insult to military personnel both living and dead.

Jeanie, you wrote: "If he (Sen. Obama) believed that America was populated by racists, he wouldn't run. Duh!!"

There is so much wrong with that statement. First of all, Sen. Obama is well aware of the White Supremists groups who live in America. So it isn't a case of believing, he knows, they are out there. He also knows, not just believes, that there are African-Americans who deeply believe in Black Liberation Theology. So Sen. Obama KNOWS that America IS populated by racists. They may not be in the majority, but they are out there none the less. And he IS still running for the office of President of the United States.

Now then, I don't know whether Sen. Obama, personally, believes in Black Liberation Theology or not. But I find it very difficult to accept that a person who has been surrounded by Black Liberation theologists for nearly all of his adult life, can be totally oblivious to the tenants of the movement. It's nothing like the case that you point out regarding Sen. Clinton (if true). She didn't have a choice. Her father was her father. But in Sen. Obama's case he CHOSE to surround himself with individuals who believe, support and actively promote Black Liberation Theology.

People have a right to believe the way they want to. However if someone is running for the office of President of the United States, the electorate has a right to know whether a candidate is a White Supremist or a believer in Black Liberation Theology.

surfer,

Read the article above by Tapper again. He is NOT siding with Clinton. He is pointing out the serious nature of her Bosnia lie and her then joking about it.

Rev Wright is not running for President,there is a trial on for Retzco,If Obama is implicated in anything illegal,it will come to light and he will have to pay.
Comments in San Francisco are exactly that,one can either accept Obama's explanation or not.What he said cannot be said to be immoral even if one accepts his explanation or not.
For Mr Tapper to not see the giant character flaw in someone who would continously give speeches in which a blatant LIE is repeated to make that someone look more heroic,shows Mr Tapper lack of objectivity and now blatant bias against Sen Obama, By the way which he has exhibited against Sen Obama numerous times before.Maybe he was slighted by Sen Obama before or maybe after watching the last debate,ABC has made it an unofficial policy to keep the democratic primary going for business reasons or they are simply in the tank for Sen Clinton.

I think Obama is going through some kind of mid-life crisis. He's pretty immature for a 47 year old man.
Guess he has to appear cool to keep the young voters.

I'll take experience, depth, patriotism any day.

Go Hillary...or McCain if Obama wins the nomination.

"Is Clinton's Bosnia-sniper-fire story not a "distraction," while Rezko, Wright, Ayers, Bitter-gate, and the flag pin are "distractions"?"

Well... yes. Clinton's story was a blatant lie uttered by herself on multiple occasions. Rezko, Wright, Ayers are all 'guilt-by-association' efforts, the 'bitter-gate' incident was one badly-phrased remark which regardless had a large element of truth to it, and the flag pin? Are you kidding me?

Now Obama is showing sexism, would you use the analogy if Hilary was a male, I do not think so!

Obama is throwing more dirty politics then any in history!!

He is a deceitful lying individual that meets with terrorists!

campaign organized a conference call?

who in obama's campaign?
who was the conference call to?

cause the only facts in this story tell me it was a group that supports obama speaking out. not obama.

the way i see it hillary should be talking about substance, not attacks. true, obama is talking about attacks in a hibrow manner, but - he aint the one doing the attacking. the difference is important to me.

The bare truth of the matter is that Hillary IS untrustworthy and IS a BIG LIAR and so is Bill. This is not spin or a "label". These are FACTS that are from her/his own spoken words and her/his own actions.
Yes I agree that all politicians lie. There are lies however that damage beyond repair. Bosnia is one of them.
Being pres and lying under oath is another. It is really bizarre that the Clintons are even at this point given their past history.

Why is it every woman in America has to be labeled with some negative tag? At the beginning of this campaign, she was to soft. Next, she was a b***h. Later she was untrustworthy and now she is a lier. The labels kept coming until one stuck.
Hillary has been doomed to fail since the 1990's. She has taken more hits for Bill's actions than Bill has.

Obama is and has ran a negative campaign since New Hampshire and no one seems to care. If Hillary fights back then it is all over every news media from one exploited incident to the next.

All politicians lie. For example, Obama cannot change domestic policy even though he continues to tell people that he is going to change Washington. As president, his job will be to set foregin policy. Obama says that he does not take money from lobbist but he does take money from ex-lobbist who have joined his campaign. A lobbist by any other name is still a lobbist, they still raise money from corporate contributors.

Funny he should mention China.
He should wish along with the "CHINA"
she'd throw some of the china money along with it!

I believe Hillary has a history of throwing White House lamps.........or was that a fabrication of the vast
right wing conspiracy?

Obama was paid $6,000 per year for serving on the Woods Fund board; it was not an unpaid position as was stated earlier here. Through that board, Obama and Ayers granted $75,000 to anti-Semite Rashid Khalidi.

The internet is SERIOUS BUSINESS

To me, all of these claims of unfair treatment and biased reporting are what the republican party has endured for the last 30 years, the constant PR campaign for the Democrates and they are only even with the republicans now tells me that our country simply does not follow the democrate line of thinking, PERIOD. A more moderate social policy and a more conservative fiscal policy is what Americans really want, and for once we have a candidate who is exactly that, John McCain.

If you really look at the facts and the baggage of the 3 candidates then McCain wins hands down.
Hillarys Bosnia lie and then joke on Leno totally eliminates her to be commander in chief. No way out of this one. She has dis-honored thousands of people that have been killed by sniper fire. She could NEVER expect any service person to respect her.
Obamas pastor and shady friends etc. eliminates him.
McCain is lucky that in an election year when a dem has a good chance of winning, they put up 2 outright losers in this race.
If this is the best that the Dems have then that party is in deep trouble.
By the time all of this ends and Obama is the nominee their party will have split down the middle.
Thank you Hillary!!

Hillary has nothing but lies to through.

Obama has been a hypocrite from the start. He has just used the media to do his dirty work. He attacks in conference calls and memos and then goes out and says that he is above that kind of politics. Hillary had to do it out in the open because the media wouldn't pick up her attacks like they did Obama's. That is why we always thought there was a media bias. Now that the shine has come off of Obama, the media is finally seeing that. Kinda. LOL

Threw the China? You mean she threw a bunch of lead-painted, low quality crap made by a society enslaved by its government at him? Now THAT's rough.

It's just more proof that Hillary will do, say, or be anything to win. It's 90s-style politicking and mudslinging at its best, and if Obama fights back the media decries negative campaigning. What the media and Hillary fail to realize is that Americans have moved past the Jerry Springer-style politics and want cooperation. There is no red and blue, us-and-them anymore-it's who's going to get the job done?

Oh, and by the way-ABC? Next time, if you host a political debate, you may not want to have a member of Clinton's former cabinet as one of your panel. "I know you're not comfortable with this, Senator Clinton, so we'll move on"

OH PLEASE!

This is more fun than a barrel of monkeys-to watch...wish this garbage would never end; that way good well-meaning democrats would get continual flow about what the enemies of this nation are truely all about.

Obama might want to be careful about his use of the word "China". Everyone knows that China is synonymous with Crap, and that using China in that context is offensive to Communist Red China. We must be more sensitive to the people of Communist Red China. We need Communist Red China if we are going to survive as a nation. Obama must understand this if he is going to be President. Even George Bush understands this. GO CHINA!

Half black socialist vs. Half woman socialist. Who cares?

Let them rip each other apart! (hehe)

McCain '08

Frankly, if he doesn't fight back he is a wimp. If he does he is going negative.
If Obama was really going negative he would bring up the numerous scandals while Bill was in the white house, and ask people if they want to live through that again. Remind us all of whitewater, Monica gate, etc. No, what you call Obama going negative is him reminding us of a LIE that Hillary told in the previous 4 weeks on this campaign trail.
All you have had to do to win an election in America is hint... terrorists, muslim, etc and people get SOOO scared they vote REpublican, because we all KNOW the Republicans are going to save us.
IF Obama was involved in corruption or himself spoke hate rhetoric, I would want to know about it. But frankly I don't care if he served on a charity board with Ayers or Ayers gave $200 once to his Senate campaign. There must be millions of people who have given money to Obama this time around. What a load of nonsense.
And as for McCain - 'ol straight express needs to release his full tax returns and not hide behind his wife, AND his health records.

the reality is they all lie when it suits them. this year we really have no outstanding candidates for either party.

jeanie,
duh, he is a racist in america, so of course he ran.

Rev. Wright doesn't even come close to the racism that Hillary Clinton grew up around. Her father's favorite word for African Americans was the N-word. Now I know a little something about child development. When you grow up in a racist home, under stress you tend to revert back to those attitudes. The Hillary campaign reflects her racist roots. Obama joined Rev Wright's church when he was an adult. And let's face it, any biracial man who is part black just doesn't run for the highest office in the land and hold some of the beliefs that Rev. Wright holds. It's a contradiction. I mean people use your common sense. If he believed that America was populated by racists, he wouldn't run. Duh!!

If you don't want to vote for Sen. Obama, fine don't. But please don't use really ridiculous arguments to rationalize your voting against him.

mary,
you made the point you agreed we should all be called americans, wondering why we always point out a persons race or color.
what in the world do you think the black population does everyday by calling themselves "african-americans". you do not have to point it out, they do it for you...as their choice.

Doug,

I agree that association with a neighbor is a questionable link. A pastor, however, that was the spiritual light that brought Barak to Christianity. So pursuaded him that he not only stayed with him for 20 years but was married by the Reverand and thought him educational enough to bring their two children to the church. When Barak defends the Reverand and refers to him as practically a member of the family then this has transgressed beyond a passing acquaintance.

When the heat was applied Barak danced from:
I understand why the Rev. would say these things if he said them because I was not there. I can't disown him.
to:
I might have heard some talk of the Rev. saying things like this.
to:
Okay, I was there for some of it but I don't agree with everything he said.
to:
If he had not retired I would have left the church.

What a politician!! Note that his grandmother was just a typical white person but he gives an entire speach on why we should not judge Rev. Wright.

This year will be a "hold my nose and vote" year and it will not be for either Dem.

OMG, the Oracle is trying to make the Tuskegee Experiment sound like it was OK. First of all, how were the men in "the last stages" for forty years. But this is the evil part: They didn't tell them what they had, and because they didn't know THEIR FAMILIES CONTRACTED SYPHILLIS. Many, many people suffered for a very long time over that "experiment". Perhaps the Oracle wouldn't mind if his government did it to his family?

ORACLE:
"I never said that everything he said is true. But be honest, you don't think some of our policies have led to all time highs in anti-Americanism?? The fact we stick our nose into other peoples affairs all the time when its in our best interest, then turn around and say it's because of our "values" or "moral authority". I'll say this much, what he said bout AIDS is probably not true. But before you go and totally dismiss this as the raving of a madman, go and check your country's history. It is "FACT" that we injected AA's with syphylis in the 1940's I believe. It was called "The Tuskegee Experiment". So is it totally crazy to think it can happen????

Except that it Was called the Tuskegee Experiment, your post was a total, blatant lie.

In fact, most of the pro-B O posts are filled with blatant lies... not all. just most.

"So I'll give my vote to HILLARY!"

So would you, if you could get over her being white! None of us can help what color we're born (except fo Michael Jackson) ;-)

Some people have said that we should all be called Americans. I agree I don't see why it's so important to always point out the person race or color. Only Americans can vote for president. Oh by the way, I have been wondering why no one is talking about the fact Bill and Hillary Clinton have a fraud case against them, and they have a court date this week ? You all know that if this was BO it would be all over the net and the Clintons calling for him to step down.

Good discussion tonight. Oracle, pp, and Danny, I enjoyed your points of view. Thanks for letting me join in, and thanks very much for the constructive comments. Be safe, I'm outta here. Good evening and good luck to all.

I think it is fair to critically examine the behavior and character of the candidate. However I draw the line at holding the candidate accountable for the behavior or character of someone they happen to know. There is a distinct difference and when we cross that line and scrutinize the behavior of their pastor or neighbor, then we are just looking for excuses to smear someone.

ORACLE:

The people involved in the experiment were people who had ALREADY contracted syphillis.. They were in the last stages of the disease, and the it was a study of the effects of syphillis on the body.

The sad part was that no one was going to cure them.... not that the "experimenters" had injected them with the disease.

Please read:

"The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment

by Borgna Brunner

For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,” their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all.

The data for the experiment was to be collected from autopsies of the men, and they were thus deliberately left to degenerate under the ravages of tertiary syphilis—which can include tumors, heart disease, paralysis, blindness, insanity, and death. '

Talking about Rev. Wright and Obama's grandmother, I thought it ironic that Barak would explain that where the Rev. made questionable statements so did his grandmother. He took the time to justify the Revs comments but never offered any explaination for his grandmother. Kind of tells which he is more willing to defend.

And his comments about how could Hillary honor the Tomb of the Unknown. I suppose he could lay a pair of tennis shoes instead of a wreath. He certainly plans on running from the war instead of winning.

Yes Wright is not dwelling in the past. He will soon be dwelling in a 10 million dollar house in one of the rich white neighborhoods. His neighbors will be the same white people that he preached who are controlling the blacks!!!
I am sure that in his generation he had to endure many things. Hey other ethinic people had to endure a lot too. During his lifetime he saw huge racial changes for the good. This is what he should be preaching and not preaching like it was still the 1920's.
BO listened to this BS for 20 yrs. This says a lot about his character. I believe that 1. he used this church to advance his political future and 2. He may believe in what Wright preaches.
Wright has really damaged BO chance for the presidency. He will be the nominee and lose the general. I cannot believe that this is the best that the Dems had to offer. You would think that BO past would have been totally checked out by them at the start. Now they are stuck with a losing candidate.

Oracle, all you say is true. Let's not forget the Tribal wars and capturing of enemies turned in to slave, along with separation of families, torture, and death. It didn't only happen here. Many slaves were treated adequately by their owners (I refuse to use the word well, because how can you be treated well if you are not free and owned by some one), but as in most cases studying or reading about good humanitarians of the time would not be very interesting.

We still see a lot of the same things today in many of the Arab Countries, and in China.

It never ceases to amaze me what one man can do to another.

I'll leave you with this Danny. I started this discussion with you cuz of the posts you had on the dems. when I talk about McCain's past those are some reasons I wouldn't vote for him, aside from things like Bush tax cuts, voting against MLK holiday, Iraq war, him knowing nothing about economy, etc. I could go on and on. But I never hear people attacking BO's policies, it's always the BS. I'm just tired of people bringing up his baggage w/o bringing up their respective candidates baggage. But for the record I don't think McCain's a bad guy.

Well Danny, Chase, pp, my fellow Obama supprorters. It's been real, I had fun, hope ya'll did too. I've got a flight in the morning so hope we can do this again. Everyone be safe.....

An i doubt Wright is dwelling in the past. But I'd bet both of our salaries his life has been harder then ours. So lets not judge till we walk in a mans shoes. Good enough??

Chase, i've had this discussion before, and I'm gld you brought it up. For one, the slavery of that place like that of the Romans was a diff slavery than that over here. For example, some became slaves to pay off debts. Some were indentured servants. The biggest diff was that people were slaves cuz they were conquered. Alot of times they even became family. Alot diff from the dehumanizing, and torture that went on here. Families being broken up and the such, ya know??

Well danny, you have the right to your opinions. But you said something perfectly:BO said that his grandmother used racial slurs that made him "cring".
"I" would say that if you use racial slurs then you are a racist. So you're tellin me that "you" would call her a racist. Once again, he didn't say that. I live in a multi ethnic area, blacks, whites, jews, hispanics, etc. An I would actually disagree with you, I've heard people say things but knew they weren't racist. I've got white friends who have told me, "I like black guys and have no problem with them, but I wouldn't want one dating my daughter." Now I can respect that, and I don't even think it's racist. Now switching gears, what about McCain and the Keating five, him finishing like 894 out of like 899 in the naval academy. What about him glazing over his wife stealing prescription meds??

Oracle,

I am well aware of the Tuskegee Experiment. That also was a totally different time in America and how the blacks were treated back then. Much has changed since then.
The Tuskegee Experiment is no excuse for such a bold statement that was designed to turn his congregation against the US and whites.

How come the discussion never goes back to Africa when Blacks used to own Blacks and then trade or sold their slaves to other than Africans, such as, explorers, and adventurers?

This is not to make light of all the tragic and disgusting things that all men have perpetrated on each other.

At least in the US we have tried to correct these events (not as fast as they should have been, and not completely to the satisfaction of everyone).

I look back where my grandparents came from, it still has serious suppression of its masses today. They didn't have it easy being here, but they made the best of what they could, my parents did better, and I am trying to make my way the best I can. I feel I have opportunity, and most off all freedom. I am aware of the past, but don't choose to dwell on it or use it as an excuse for my short comings.

An for the record Danny, The Tuskegee Experiment wasn't public umtil almost 30 yrs after it happened. Just playing Devil's Advocate for ya.

Oracle,

BO said that his grandmother used racial slurs that made him "cring".
I would say that if you use racial slurs then you are a racist.
Wrights videos were so anti white and anti american. The words are there and from his mouth.
I also liked BO when he first started running however after the past months I have seen his far left side and the people that he has associated with. His judgement is very poor. He knew about Wright. How could anyone with good judgement not take care of this issue right at the start. He had to know that sooner or later he would have issues with this guy. Total lack of judgement. He has told lie after lie trying to explain Wright. IMO BO would be very dangerous for this country as commander in chief especially with the issues of the world today. HE is a very slick talker. That's all.

So why do white people go to his church?? See whats funny is he really said nothing diff than MLK. But White Americans revere MLK.

Well for 1 Danny, BO did not call her a racist. You just did, an he didn't have to call Wright a racist Fox news and you did already. So can you find 1 racial slur that Wright used?? An I think you missed the big pic, what happened in that speech is why i support him. Whether you like it or not, he is in the middle. He was raised as a white man, but lived as a black. Who better to bring the country together?? He can see from both sides.

zrzoon,

Where is the proof?????
If someone is going to make a bold statement such as Wrights then there better be proof to back it up.
Just because things happenned in the govt the past does not make acusations against the govt today to be true.

Oracle,

Just because the govt did experiments in the 40's does NOT justify Writes outright lies about aids.
There were lots of things that happenned in the 40's to AA's and others.
There is NO excuse for (of all people) a pastor to spread anti american, anti white lies such as his aids lie. Think about it. All of his church members that heard these comments believe them to be true. After all he is a pastor.......
He is spreading hatred towards this country and towards white people. His words CLEARLY show this. There is no way to spin this into anything else than what it is.

danny doris

have you heard of (or like myself .. i was taught in college) the tuskeegee experiment? 400 black men in alabama INJECTED with the syph?

that might give you some kind of where crap like the govt injecting the black community with aids.

we have a very nasty and repulsive history when it comes to black americans. my god man... white folks used to own them as property!

Oracle,

Yes BO told the truth about his white grandmother and basically called her a racist. She was afraid when she saw a black man on the other side of the street and that she also used racial slurs. This is what BO said. He did not call his pastor a racist when it is so obvious that he is. He used Whites church to climb the political ladder. Id he dis-owns Wright now it will kill the black vote for him.

pp, thanks for the comments. It is sad to see what was once a proud party that stood for the ideals of America tear itself apart. Maybe it's time to start the Moderate Party, where those of us that are a little to the left, or a little to the right can find a home. Some place a true discussion with acceptable compromises can be found. I know in my heart there are good people from both sides of the aisle that would like to see this happen.

I never said that everything he said is true. But be honest, you don't think some of our policies have led to all time highs in anti-Americanism?? The fact we stick our nose into other peoples affairs all the time when its in our best interest, then turn around and say it's because of our "values" or "moral authority". I'll say this much, what he said bout AIDS is probably not true. But before you go and totally dismiss this as the raving of a madman, go and check your country's history. It is "FACT" that we injected AA's with syphylis in the 1940's I believe. It was called "The Tuskegee Experiment". So is it totally crazy to think it can happen????

Well danny, i agree with what you said about the media forgetting. But is that BO's fault?? I also, agree that we should all be called Americans. But I don't think he "dissed" his white side for our votes. Remember he was not fully supported by AA's until around the South Carolina primary. An even tho i don't personally think that what Bill said was racist, certain comments lead to HRC losing the AA vote. As for him throwing his GMA under the bus, how?? Because he told the truth about her?? She obviously had no problem, so why should we??

Please show us the facts that proves that the US government injected black americans with the aids virus?
These were words straight out of Wrights mouth. He told his church that this was a fact in one of those 10 sec videos. How do you explain his aids statement?? Show us proof that what eh said was true?

Lol. Well to that pp, I say, I'm glad you and most that believe like you are in the minority. But you're completely right. You have the right to say what you want. It just seems funny to me that you don't know Wright but you try to brand him. I give you the clip of a man who is good friends with Wright and respected in the white church community, but you say I don't care what his opinion is. Why don't you listen to his "whole" speech instead of the 10 sec clips that fox edited for people just like you. I guess that'd be 2 much like real research...

you are right, Chase. the party has been a huge disappointment to me since 2006 when they came in to power in congress only to squander the opportunity. i do not think the party has any real leaders any more, and this primary has probably split the party for good. perhaps this division is a reflection of changing values and beliefs within the party. i do not know. i do know that after being a loyal democrat for36 years, i am ready to leave the party i loved.

Oracle,

I feel that the press has totally forgotten his white side. He is half an afro american and half a white american.
IMO everyone should just call themselves americans!!
My whole point is that he exploited his black side for the black vote and no one has really complained about him calling himself an afro-american. Point is that if it were the opposite there would be a huge outrage and he would lose the black vote big time. Seems that his dissing of his white side has not lost him white votes. Even when he threw his white grandmother under the bus and praised his anti american black pastor there still was no outrage from the white community.

oracle, I could care less who defends him. i am voicing my opinion--which is similar to many americans.the church is built on racist ideals. criticizing america and whites from the pulpit, last i heard, good "god fearing folks did not take the lord's name in vain", i would think this really applied in a church.
being in the marines exonerates him for nothing he does today.
i do not care who criticizes what. what is at issue here is a presidential candidate, who syas he is a uniter, being a member of a church with such a foundation.

Well, here we go again. I knew a Democrat once, in fact I was a Democrat once, and I can tell you these two (Obama and Hillary) are no Democrats.

Sounds like the whole mess is boiling down to race and gender, or a beauty contest.

Are these the best the Democrats have to offer? God save us all if it is!

I say dump both these immature "School Kids!" Recruit Joe Lieberman, Bill Bradley, Harold Ford, or at least some one more moderate, honest, and respectable with the true interest of us all in mind, instead of their own political self-interest.

I just can't believe Hillary is the best womankind has to offer.

I just can't see how Obama is ready for the World Stage, although I will admit he one of the most dynamic speakers I have seen in politics in quite some time.

But come on Democrats, bring somebody forward that can lead, or at least won't get in the way.

Danny, I'll give you that. I even agree, but the way I see it. The media dubbed him the 1st viable black Pres candidate. An I see him tout his white heritage more than his black, what about you?? See if you have 1 drop of black blood in you, you are perceived as black. I just don't think it really matters.

Hi -

While I agree that I'm sick and tired to Hillary's Bosnia Story, and would be very happy with Obama if he were to drop it, I have to say that the Bosnia story and the Wright/ Ayers association are not quite in the same ballpark.

I mean, with the Bosnia thing, Hillary told a lie... repeatedly... like, 3 times or something. It wasn't a slip of the tongue late at night after a long day, as Bill said it was. She told the same lie over and over.

That speaks to her character. Not her pastor's character, or some guy's character with whom she served on a board... HERS.