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Obama Responds

April 11, 2008 9:30 PM

In Terre Haute, Ind., tonight at a town hall meeting, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., responded to the "town hall" controversy.

“When I go around and I talk to people there is frustration and there is anger and there is bitterness," he said. "And what’s worse is when people are expressing their anger, then politicians try to say what are you angry about? This just happened – I want to make a point here today.

“I was in San Francisco talking to a group at a fundraiser and somebody asked how’re you going to get votes in Pennsylvania? What’s going on there? We hear that it's hard for some working-class people to get behind your campaign. I said, well look, they’re frustrated and for good reason. Because for the last 25 years they’ve seen jobs shipped overseas. They’ve seen their economies collapse. They have lost their jobs. They have lost their pensions. They have lost their healthcare.

“And for 25, 30 years Democrats and Republicans have come before them and said we’re going to make your community better. We’re going to make it right and nothing ever happens. And of course they’re bitter. Of course they’re frustrated. You would be too. In fact many of you are. Because the same thing has happened here in Indiana. The same thing happened across the border in Decatur. The same thing has happened all across the country. Nobody is looking out for you. Nobody is thinking about you. And so people end up; they don’t vote on economic issues because they don’t expect anybody’s going to help them. So people end up, you know, voting on issues like guns, and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and things they can count on. But they don’t believe they can count on Washington. So I made this statement -- so, here’s what rich Senator Clinton says, ‘No, I don’t think that people are bitter in Pennsylvania. You know, I think Barack’s being condescending.’ John McCain says, ‘Oh, how could he say that? How could he say people are bitter? You know, he’s obviously out of touch with people.’

“Out of touch? Out of touch? I mean, John McCain — it took him three tries to finally figure out that the home foreclosure crisis was a problem and to come up with a plan for it, and he’s saying I’m out of touch? Senator Clinton voted for a credit card-sponsored bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people to get out of debt after taking money from the financial services companies, and she says I’m out of touch? No, I’m in touch. I know exactly what’s going on. I know what’s going on in Pennsylvania. I know what’s going on in Indiana. I know what’s going on in Illinois. People are fed up. They’re angry and they’re frustrated and they’re bitter. And they want to see a change in Washington and that’s why I’m running for President of the United States of America.”

He didn't really address the part of his comments in which he said these "bitter" small-town folks were grabbing their guns and religion and antipathies.

What do you think?

- jpt

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I am surprised with the amount of replies to this issue, I with the knowledge that if I vote for McCain I will be voting for Bush ideologies and philosophies, a vote for Hillary will to me mean the end of morality in politics, I do not want to see a woman who was so humilated by her husband stand with him. If Hillary can forgive Bill after such a humilation and attack on character what will she look over next? Employment, Healthcare, Taxes, Interest Rates, Social Security?

The only intelligent vote is for Obama we as the leader of the free world need to demonstrate that we are capable of intelligent rational thoughts and actions.

Posted by: Craig | Apr 13, 2008 10:02:58 PM

America - please lie down on Obama's couch . . .

I'm so sick of Sen. Obama's platitudes and ideological circumspection, his enlightening philosophy. Oprah and Dr. Phil can psychoanalyze us. I want someone who KNOWS how to DO the JOB. He has shown me nothing. His experience is lacking, and his character vague. He's VAGUE.

Whether his "bitter" gaffe even reflects truth is a matter of perspective. It's not just the "bitter" part, of course. It's the fact that he said this bitterness is why people cling to religion, guns, and their positions on undocumented workers and trade deals. I may not agree with everyone on those issues, but I certainly don't assume they're just bitter and ignorant, and I'm not even campaigning to be their president. THAT is what's wrong with what he said.

Hey, he can say this kind of stuff all day long if he likes, but not if he expects the bitter, ignorant working class, small town lunch bucket democrats to vote for him. I wonder if Obama thinks his clinging to religion is born from some type of bitterness, or was it for political gain?

But what's truly disturbing is that these comments, like those of Rev. Wright, seem to focus on the motives of Americans, and find us people of hate, ignorance, and pettiness. That surly exists, but does it exist at the level these remarks seem to indicate? Is this why Michelle Obama is finally proud of her country? Because she has a distorted view of her country?

Seems like Obama is trying to apply some psychological motives to a lot of Americans that don't ring true. I have my own views on religion, immigration, and gun control that are probably in line with Sen. Obama's views, but my views don't come from bitterness, and I take issue with his analysis of the small town America I come from.

We don't need a Psychologist in Chief. We need a president who has more than platitudes to right this ship.

Posted by: Teri B. | Apr 13, 2008 2:38:19 PM

@ To all the people here who did not understand the essence of his remarks:

Obama did not insult or look down on small town folks in anyway in his remarks. He did not even generalize small town folks in his remarks, he said "some". To be frank, If you are sincere to yourself, you will recognize that what he talked about is 100% true. The problem people have with it is that it is 100% true and nobody can deny that. He has shown courage as a politican. He is the only one who has come clean with voters up till now. I would rather be fouces on the issues than minor distractions like this.

How does it add up to you that HRC is agianst NAFTA/CAFTA but laughs when ask about the $800,000 her husband recieved in their bank accounts from the Columbian government.

Disclaimer: I am not an Obama supporter but rather an independent

Posted by: George | Apr 13, 2008 1:15:10 PM

Lets get real here for a minute!! Do you people deep down inside really believe that Hillary or John McCain will really make this country better? I served in the U.S. Army. McCain served his country and I applaud him for that. But this does not make me ready to be President of the United States. This war has been a “strategic blunder” from the beginning and John McCain is going to continue to make it blunder. The REAL reason that you people in Ohio and Pennsylvania lost your jobs is because of NAFTA. Hillary’s husband helped to bring this into existence.

The news media is keeping Americans who have been affected by this and other IMPORTANT issues on an emotional roller coaster with the Rev. Wright crap, Obama’s wife Michelle, and now these comments. You people had better wake up and realize you are being FOOLISH if you keep paying attention to this crap that has nothing to do with your current situation. Keep running off of your emotions and making emotional decisions instead of intelligent ones, and you are going to be in the same position you are in now, which is regret.

People regret now voting for Bush and they are paying for it in SO MANY WAYS!!! If you vote for McCain because you won’t vote for Obama in the general election that is an emotional, dumb, stupid, idiotic decision. You better pay attention to the issues and what will be best for your family long term. McCain is certainly not your answer. But vote for him because you don’t like Obama and you deserve whatever you get. You better REALLY think about your decision. Make and intelligent vote and not an emotional vote. Emotions come and go but these issues you will have to live with.

Posted by: Dennis in Orlando, FL | Apr 13, 2008 11:10:13 AM

What exactly has Obama done for Illinois and their job creation that makes you think he can do it for PA? He already said jobs aren't coming back.

Pointing out the ill without any plan and a globalization insult to small town PA points out he is for NAFTA, like we always knew he was.

Any politician worth their salt knows not to mess with the big money of NAFTA.

This ruse that Obama is going to fix what those other politicians help to break might fly if he fixed Illinois and their economic outlook.

11% state tax, doesn't look like anything was fixed except how much the little guy has to pay for EVERYTHING!!!

Wake up! It's easy to say something is broke....but he doesn't have a plan to fix it. A five hundred dollar tax break for middle class and poor families is an insult....just like Bush insulted them with his three hundred version.

Geez....apply logic with every politician not just the ones you dislike. And please explain to me what you like about an 11% tax on the basics?

Posted by: Eleven percent tax rate. | Apr 13, 2008 6:42:20 AM

obama was right. i am bitter,angry,fed up.

Posted by: joe blow | Apr 13, 2008 6:05:11 AM


Mr. Obama is starting to show his fundamental color. He wants to be different things to different people. In SF, he condescends (essentially belittles) the mid-western small town people and claims that he works for them.
This is not unlike Mr. Bush during 2000. And we were punished for electing him. One wonders what agenda Mr. Obama has for this country.
Cling on to religion: Mr. Obama was clinging on to an separatist church for 20 years to escape what?
Cling on to anti-trade: Did he not say that he was anti-NAFTA in Ohio to win votes?
Cling on to guns: Did he not say that Second Amendment applies to individual's right to own guns?
This man is a scam artist.

Posted by: Onlooker | Apr 12, 2008 11:59:18 PM

@Hope 1906

Some very astute observations about Hillary. However I'm not certain I agree with your conclusions about the others.

I do think Obama is more likable...more human than Hillary has ever been - I really think there is something mentally wrong with her. And now she's claiming to be pro-gun, anti-NAFTA which is about as credible as her claim that she dodged sniper bullets. I think lies demean the liar - you'd think she'd be embarrassed but she obviously isn't since she's still at it.

Posted by: SuziQ | Apr 12, 2008 9:50:06 PM

I grew up in one of the small Pennsylvania towns Senator Obama was talking about--and he is right. Since Bill Clinton's policies shipped jobs overseas, small towns have fallen on hard times--because there are no jobs. While politicians like Hillary and George W. Bush (her true soulmate) distract the American public with nonsense issues like this--they make millions of dollars while the middle class struggles. Hillary pretends she is from my part of the state--northeastern PA--but she isn't--her father left Scranton and moved to wealthy Park Ridge, Illinois where Hillary grew up--she did not grow up in Scranton--but she condescendingly pretends to be a working class Scranton girl because it works for her politically. Sadly, half of the American people fall for the head games politicans play with them--and believe in people like Bush/Cheney and Clinton/Clinton who care only for their own ambitions. Hillary like to divide people because that makes them weak--and she is such a weak, petty person, she feels stong only when others are weak. So she appeals to our fears and prejudices, just like Bush and Rove. Obama comes from a modest background and he has earned everything he has. He is not an elitist--he speaks for ordinary Americans of all economic classes, all races, all ethic groups, both genders. That's what frightens people who prefer to hold on to their predjuices--they don't understand that we will achieve more together than we will if we are divided. Hillary appeals to the smallness in people--she thrives on division and rancor. It is tragic that working class Americans who vote for Hillary will vote against their own best interests. She doesn't care about working people--she just wants to be the first woman president--the American people are just a tool she must operate to reach her goal. I just hope there are enough of us to keep her out of the White House.

Posted by: Hope 1906 | Apr 12, 2008 9:41:58 PM

I can't for the life of me understand the vile directed at President and Mrs. Clinton. What is it about the peace and prosperity of the Clinton administration (which is what the presidency is all about!) that people don't like ??

Posted by: JackDaniels | Apr 12, 2008 7:52:12 PM

If you don't think there is an issue with what he said.

Then just replace small town PA with South Central Los Angeles, Compton, Watts, etc....and then have a white politician spew it.

Posted by: Karma | Apr 12, 2008 6:32:58 PM

"What do you think?"

Obama: "I’m in touch. I know exactly what’s going on. I know what’s going on in Pennsylvania. I know what’s going on in Indiana. I know what’s going on in Illinois."

I think he's a megalomaniac. A BORING megalomaniac.

Posted by: Navarro | Apr 12, 2008 6:19:58 PM

HoosierSue writes:
"Of course he never dreamed that one of them would betray him by making his remarks about "them" public."

Pretty dumb if he thought that. Could the whistle-blower be the formerly-unrich Michelle Obama?

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | Apr 12, 2008 4:58:27 PM

Edgar Cayce, exactly right. Obama was at a $2,300 a plate dinner addressing San Francisco elite liberals at a closed door event. Of course he never dreamed that one of them would betray him by making his remarks about "them" public.

If the Dems are foolish enough to nominate him, the Republicans have more than enough to bury him in a landslide win for McCain. Thank God Hillary Clinton is still in the race to serve as a viable nominee.

Go Hillary! or Go McCain! Whichever.

Posted by: HoosierSue | Apr 12, 2008 4:46:58 PM

Question: Who's the biggest fool in America?
Answer: The next superdelegate to endorse Obama.

Posted by: HoosierSue | Apr 12, 2008 4:32:15 PM

bitterangryandhopeful writes:
"I want to thank Senator Obama for speaking on behalf of those of us who have no voice- for those of us who crave change and hope that the American Dream may once again be possible."

Very touching, I guess. Not quite the plight of the black poultry worker, but not bad.

BUT note that Obama wasn't "speaking on behalf" of the "lower middle class", but bemoaning -- to a high-ticket audience in San Francisco -- the disinclination of some of the unrich to flock to his bandwagon, instead of to guns, god, and their own (rather than Obama's) class interest in general.


Posted by: Edgar Cayce | Apr 12, 2008 4:05:39 PM

I am from a small town-approx. 1600 people live here.For the first time somebody has actually put into words the grief and anger that I have felt for years. Our family is average. My husband and I didn't go to college, not because we weren't intelligent enough but because life and kids happened. We have two small boys. I work in healthcare and battle the moral conflict, but I am there every day so that my family survives. My husband works construction more than two and half hours away Monday through Friday. We only see him on the weekends. There aren't jobs that he can work here close to home that would allow us to survive in this economy. I kiss him goodbye every week and have grown used to raising my kids alone until he is able to come home. This year will be a struggle- we are afraid with the cost of gas that we may have to limit the amount he can come home to twice a month. That is a decision we have to make in order to pay our mortgage and other monthly bills and still provide for our family. We roll up our sleeves everyday, we work hard and don't complain.. we take comfort in the small things that bring us joy: but we are not content with just getting by, we are not content knowing that our children may fall into this generational poverty because we spend every dime we have to fill our heating oil tank up and the kids have no college fund. Writing this I am crying- out of some sadness yes, also out of frustration towards the very government that is sworn to protect us. I was taught as a child that if you worked hard in life you could earn what you deserve. It doesn't work that way anymore- the rich get richer off of our sweat and tears and we the "lower middle class" have been ignored and told that we should be happy with what we have, as they spoonfeed us our rights and freedoms. I want to thank Senator Obama for speaking on behalf of those of us who have no voice- for those of us who crave change and hope that the American Dream may once again be possible.

Posted by: bitterangryandhopeful | Apr 12, 2008 3:35:25 PM

SAM writes:
"I long ago concluded that Obama's "eloquence" is meaningless when you realize that the message is empty."

He isn't really "eloquent", just lectures for a long time, which misleads certain over-educated members of the press, confusing his schtick with their boys-only prep-school days, to market him as "eloquent".

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | Apr 12, 2008 3:07:36 PM

Even Obama now claims that what he said was wrong. Still, the lemmings are convinced that what he said are right. Why the disconnect?

Posted by: S | Apr 12, 2008 2:00:56 PM

You people who say what he said was right. Do you cling to guns and religion?

Posted by: Tina D | Apr 12, 2008 1:55:00 PM

I do not trust Obama. I do not trust his loyalty or committment to the United States of America. The fact of Reverand Wright, Anti-American Ayers, wife's "never proud of my country" speech and now the Pennsylvania "gun-toting, religious, bitter losers" of PA. It all adds up to a very angry, passive-aggresive attitude. I think he follows those who speak his thoughts....

Posted by: RAINE LARA | Apr 12, 2008 1:34:28 PM

Magda: thank you.

Nancy | Apr 12, 2008 11:49:13 AM said:

"The man is so eloquent his meaning is lost in a reading by a person with an agenda."

Nancy, prattle on all you want. You merely reinforce the horrible impression Obama is making on the country. I have three advanced degrees, and I long ago concluded that Obama's "eloquence" is meaningless when you realize that the message is empty. At this point, his lips may be moving, but a lot of people are tuning him out. I bet he gets torpedoed in Pennsylvania.

Posted by: SAM | Apr 12, 2008 12:52:48 PM


Having been born in the segregated South, I have come to understand racism. Sometimes it is overt; more often nowadays it is covert. It is my belief that Obama is a racist: he continues to resent his mother's race (his words from his book). Such a man or woman is not fit to be president, period.

Obama is a fraud. He is a slick corrupt politician from Chicago. He is an elitist, a racist and a socialist.
His followers cling to 'hope' and 'change' as actual reasons to vote for him, while continuing to convince themselves that the fantasy of who they want Obama to be still exists.

The problem is: Obama is the ‘dream’ of the politically correct crowd and they will just ignore anything that gets in the way of the fairy tale.
Obama could butcher a kitten on the White House lawn and the media would make it sound like a good thing!

NO OBAMA IN 2008! HE HAS TOLD TOO MANY LIES!

Posted by: concerned | Apr 12, 2008 12:52:43 PM

Nancy | Apr 12, 2008 11:49:13 AM said:

"The man is so eloquent his meaning is lost in a reading by a person with an agenda".

eloquent |ˈeləkwənt| adjective
fluent or persuasive in speaking or writing : an eloquent speech. • clearly expressing or indicating something

Believe what you want to believe ....

Posted by: magda | Apr 12, 2008 12:44:17 PM

Lori 11:08.

Forgive me for piggybacking on your comment. I'm (unfortunately?) white. I'm a rightward-leaning independent who, without knowing much of Obama, initially considered his candidacy.

No way after Jeremiah Wright. I just don't get Obama. He's absurdly unqualified. Quite honestly, if he doesn't win the election, his career is over. I grew up in Illinois, and I doubt he wants to return there for a re-election campaign in 2010. I bet he'll be working at appointed positions or in educational positions the rest of his life.

As intelligent as he is, he's actually a trainwreck when he's not working from carefully scripted remarks on a teleprompter. He's really no better than a news broadcaster. How many of these gaffes is the mainstream media going to allow him? These aren't instances of being momentarily tongue-tied.

In the end, consider where he was delivering the speak. In this case, context supports the obvious reading of the words. As I heard and later read his remarks, I was reminded of the famous Al Campanis interview with Ted Koppel on "Nightline" in 1987. I saw that live and couldn't believe Campanis said the things that he said. He was pilloried for those remarks. So should Obama. I'm looking forward to the Democrats trying to look united while backing this loser.

Posted by: SAM | Apr 12, 2008 12:27:28 PM

Now Obama gets the obligatory do-over. "I did not say that as well as I could have ..." Everything is OK now, and the press can go back to swooning over his elegance.

Does Hillary get a do-over for anything she says? Not on your life. Not only does she not get to explain anything she says, but every comment made by her and Bill gets picked apart for hidden meaning.

Recently, Hillary laughed out loud at a dumb question by a reporter. David Shuster was immediately on television being offended by Hillary's lack of respect for the press. Yes, David, the Clinton's think the press are slime. Do you blame them?

Posted by: David H | Apr 12, 2008 12:07:31 PM

The man is so eloquent his meaning is lost in a reading by a person with an agenda. There are a lot of folks with agendas on this comment line. All he is saying is that "we're mad as hell and we're not going to take it any more". He says clearly people have lost jobs and government support and don't trust any more so they seek comfort elsewhere; in their communities and their faith. McCain doesn't know the Shites from the Sunnis and wants a 100 year war in 6 month increments. Where is the money coming from?? China and Germany own us. Wake up people, this country is failing. Iraq has billions of oil dollars set aside and we the US taxpayers are financing the rebuilding of their infrastructure. The Bushs have been in bed with Saudia Arabia royalty for generations. Guess what, they're in the oil business. Ms Clinton is a politically ambitious liar. She is the same old, same old Washington folk. She is devisive unwiling to compromise. All this and you people are picking apart comments of transparent honesty and calling him an empty suit. My god, no one has spoken the truth in this campaign like Obama has. Are we so afraid of the truth that we will stone those who speak it. We are then no better than the crazies in the Middle East who make their women drape themselves in shrouds, perform female circumcisions and honor kill their daughters and wives. By the way, how many of you who are so willing to pick these comments apart read the Clinton supporters statement this is a response to? And how many of you have lost a job to down sizing or overseas withdrawal of companies. I live in NC and we are for Obama here. Look it up in the polls. We have lost millions of jobs to mills and industry moving out of the country. Clinton lied when she said she didn't support Nafta. Look it up. Fact check is a great source. How come you aren't picking apart McCain's speeches when he refers to Iran as a Sunni nation? It is Shia. Saudias are Sunni. He doesn't know one from the other. How come you all aren't picking apart Hillary when she lies about Nafta and the 1996 trip to Bosnia. Lots of lies there. She wasn't the first first lady to go into a war zone and she didn't run from sniper fire. She and McCain are pulling wool over your eyes. God help us!! We will need those guns and our own faith to make it out of this mess which apparently you all want to continue.

Posted by: Nancy | Apr 12, 2008 11:49:13 AM

This is The Clinton's again..It goes on and on...They are so desperate.Obama is right and is facing the reality of issues..If she gets the nomination..I will write in Obama or not vote..I will continue my quest in moving to another country..Has anyone else had enough yet?

Posted by: Janice | Apr 12, 2008 11:43:00 AM

if you listen to the video of him in Indiana, he didn't say "Here's what rich Senator Clinton says..." as though he was addressing her 110 million dollars- he said "Here's what's rich (pause)- Senator Clinton says..."

Posted by: brueso | Apr 12, 2008 11:42:20 AM

brueso

Does your dear boy believe that, should he fix whatever core problems he thinks exists, the bitterness will go away and people will no longer need god? He seems to have real issues with other people's god compared to his own.

Posted by: S | Apr 12, 2008 11:33:57 AM

He DID explain what he meant by the 'cling to guns and religion'- he meant that since they don't vote for economic things anymore (since previous politicians have shown them nothing changes about that), they make their votes based on things like guns and religion. Does anyone really think Obama- who has been more upfront about his faith than anyone in this election season besides Huckabee- was mocking people for turning to religion? Not bloody likely. Look- if you don't support the guy, fine- but don't try to turn what he said into something else as a justification for it. If Clinton or McCain were actually looking out for the 'little man', they wouldn't be in the bag for lobbyists.

Posted by: brueso | Apr 12, 2008 11:31:48 AM

Why is this man running for president. He has divided Americans on their issues of patriotism, he has divided blacks against white, he now dividing rich against the poor, he has divided the jewish community , and his lists keeps getting longer as the days go by.

Obama and his wife seems very anti-American, for them America seems to have everything wrong with it, but yet the Obama's seem to be doing well.

How long are people just going to sit by and let him continuously, keep on separating people on a host of issues. Yes elections are a battle, buts its a battle between parties to find the right candidate for president, not what is going on now with Obama.

Obama seems to be fighting a personal battle with America and all its people, this type of division is not going to do any of us any good in the long run.

Posted by: SJ | Apr 12, 2008 11:25:50 AM

Hillary supporters:

Your candidate will loose to the liberal left. Here are your GE choices:

*Vote for McCain
*Vote for Nader
*Write in Hillary's name
*Dont' vote

You have been betrayed!!!!

Posted by: Aston | Apr 12, 2008 11:12:20 AM

Obama is right. People are bitter. I'm glad he recognizes that people are bitter in certain areas due to economic problems. This is the first step in trying to change the economic situation in those places. I come from such a place and we have little faith in the government being of any help to people willing and eager to work hard for decent wages to allow us to live a nice middle-class life. The government does not need to give welfare to the people in these areas, but, if they want to help those people, they can help us make it more attractive for businesses to operate there (and in the US in general) and more attractive to buy American. At least Obama realizes there is a problem and a huge wealth divide in the U.S. Too bad the other politicians don't focus on this very very important issue, but I guess that's politics.

Posted by: Marilyn | Apr 12, 2008 11:12:13 AM

Obama insulted, belittle put down and abuse the Backbone of this country.

Posted by: seah | Apr 12, 2008 11:10:24 AM

I rarely post on these bulletin boards but read them quite often. It has been interesting to see the evolution of Obama-mania. I have looked at this from so many angles and I still don't get it.

I am a black woman, registered independent, from the south. While I am excited about the fact that a black man could actually be so close to winning the nomination, I wish it was someone who was actually qualified to do so. Every time I hear Obama speak I have flash backs to George Bush campaigning - a great guy to have a beer with, but essentially an empty suit. We've already been down the road with an inexperienced, untested, 'groomed by the party elite' candidate. The consequences have been undescribably damaging. Bush was not 'seasoned' enough to make his own decisions and wound up being a puppet doing the bidding of Cheney and co.Perhaps this is why the dem party elite want Obama to win. It seems that as Americans have not learned that lesson and are destined to repeat it.

I know the Clinton's have a lot of baggage, some brought upon themselves and some heaped upon them unfairly by the media (which by the way is SCARY the way the media have wielded so much influence in this election).

At the end of the day, I know the record of the Clintons, what they have stood for and the good works they've done. They are not perfect. It is not a crime for an ex-president to make money. Of the $109million, about $43million went towards taxes and charity. This leaves $66million over a ten year perod, still not chump change at $10million per year, but I don't think we should judge them for earning a living. I know bankers who earn more than that.

I guess this whole message is to focus on the issues. In my gut, I can not trust the future of my children to Obama. As an independant, I will either write in Hillary's name or vote for McCain should Obama be the nominee of the democratic party. I do not believev he is electable. I know it's futile to try and convince anyone on the boards to change their minds, but I wanted to put my thoughts out there.

Posted by: Lori | Apr 12, 2008 11:08:25 AM

Since much of the Republican party is characterized as pro-gun, pro-religion, and anti-immigration, is Obama really saying that the Republican party is bitter and frustrated? Is he saying that Republicans and conservative Democrats are sick? Is he saying that if they were not bitter and frustrated the skies would open up, light would shine down on them, and they would throw away their guns, stop going to church, and welcome immigrants with open arms? Is that what he believes?

When Obama wrongly says that people turn to religion out of bitterness and frustration we hear echoes of an earlier political theorist, Karl Marx, who said "Religion is the opiate of the people."

Posted by: David H | Apr 12, 2008 10:53:46 AM

The only people that are "bitter"
are those that thought Obama had an IQ
over 50....


Thank Allah that he has now lost the
nomination!

Posted by: bob | Apr 12, 2008 10:48:55 AM

Obama needs to shut up about guns, religion, and immigration. He is just digging himself a deeper hole. He has characterized people who are pro-gun, pro-religion, and anti-immigration as bitter and frustrated. In his attempt to explain himself is says that because of bitterness and frustration "people end up, you know, voting on issues like guns, and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and things they can count on."

He does not seem to believe that people can support pro-gun or pro-religion causes without first being bitter and frustrated. This is just wrong. Lots of people are single issue voters. They are not political junkies who weigh all of the issues before them. This is not wrong, and it does not mean people focus on one issue out of bitterness and frustration.

Obama needs to stop digging this hole. He needs to shut up and stop trying to explain his first remark. He needs to say he was misquoted, drunk, sleep deprived, or whatever.

Posted by: David H | Apr 12, 2008 10:35:25 AM

The father of a friend of mine would always say that a working man voting Republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders. Yet election after election blue collar voters pull the lever for the elephant. If you do not think that there is a nugget of truth in what Obama said (please read the whole quote, not just a couple of sentences) please explain why we keep shooting oursleves in the foot.

Posted by: steve | Apr 12, 2008 10:16:23 AM

Him and his left wingnuts he trashes middle america and then our party and he didn't really say bitter gun toting bible thumping fear of strangers people.He just said people need jobs and he can understand what we are going thru and so can his wine drinking and latte drink friends. how arrogant.

Posted by: Bishop | Apr 12, 2008 10:01:25 AM

It's not the bitter part that bothers me it's the "they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,” he makes people sound like uneducated backwards hicks that still people in God being the creator of life and not the theory of evolution because they're less educated and poor and it does seem like he's looking down on the middle income working class Americans.

Posted by: Kardasia_Prime | Apr 12, 2008 9:52:27 AM

This is a typical case of a man and his own self-reflection. A bitter and hatred person will spend the rest of his manhood to manifest his own self toward the object(s)in front of him.

Posted by: mtr2311 | Apr 12, 2008 9:51:11 AM

Hillary fans:

It looks like your candidate won't make it any more than the traditional values of the democratic party will make it. Here are your choices now:

* Vote for McCain

* Vote for Nader

* Express your true beliefs by writing in your candidates name

* Don't vote at all

Posted by: Aston | Apr 12, 2008 9:41:28 AM


He said NOTHING about what he would do. NOTHING at all.

He's an empty suit. What more would you expect?

Posted by: S | Apr 12, 2008 9:39:11 AM

I am tired of people letting Obama get away with stereotyping white people.

What if McCain or Clinton had said that Black people cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations

Obama makes racist remarks over and over and over again.

Posted by: Joe | Apr 12, 2008 9:34:36 AM

What do you expect from a member of the Harvard Boys Club? And his wife is a graduate of Princeton and Harvard Law School? Obama was right in his element in San Francisco, mingling with rich left wing liberals. Obama is a creation of the media, and if Americans don't open their eyes and ears, we will have a change in Washington - Bush to the far left named Obama - and the elite liberals in Washington won't be thinking about the little people in small town America. Obama is bamboozling those rich liberals, look at his "real friends and mentors" Rezko, Wright, Farrakhan, Ayeres, Khalidi, Said - wake up and smell the coffee Obamanations. Check out the story in the Washington Post yesterday. Obama has 5 BIllionaires (not including Oprah) bundling money for him. Politics of Change, ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha!!!

Posted by: rs | Apr 12, 2008 9:30:05 AM


Just the facts people...

In the 109th congress, only ONE bill sponsored by Obama was signed into law.
(relief to the Congo)

In the 110th congress, exactly zero bills sponsored by Obama was signed into law.

Yep -- he's really on top of things.

Posted by: S | Apr 12, 2008 9:22:27 AM

“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” Obama

What a fancy way of stereotyping people.

He might as well have come right out and said that they are gun slinging, racial churchgoers, afraid of people not like them such as black, gays, white, Mexicans,etc.

He was right that people are bitter..but wrong to add the other comment.
Obama is still standing by his comments. He has no idea that some find this offensive.

Posted by: chuck | Apr 12, 2008 9:18:28 AM

I have spent my entire career in heavy manufacturing right in the buckle of the rust belt (IN, MI) anyone who thinks that there is no bitterness among the thousands of people who have suddenly found themselves out of a decent paying factory job and are now scrambling around to just find a job at any wage that provides health insurance for their family, is delusional.

Posted by: steve | Apr 12, 2008 9:17:37 AM

Let's just think for a second about why Americans voted for George W Bush, especially last time.

For all the things he is and all the criticisms that can be levelled at GWB HE IS NOT ARROGANT.

He's the goofy boy next door you invite to your cabin for a hunting trip.

Americans hated John Kerry's condescending arrogance. Obama pretends to be one of the people by putting on a fke accent when in the south and using words like ain't and talking about fried chicken to crowds. (why they dont find that condescending I dont know)

But when the press aren't around and he thinks he's speaking to Liberal whites all that condescending elitist ego comes out.

Interesting that the press weren't suppoed to get ahold of this little tidbit don't you think.

He is unelectable.

Posted by: s.b. | Apr 12, 2008 9:17:16 AM

By the way, the fact that he said they are bitter is not the damming part of the comment.

He denegrates why they vote and what they vote for by insulting their values. That's unamerican undemocratic, condescending and elitist.

Posted by: s.b. | Apr 12, 2008 9:09:03 AM

I think he has listened to Rev. Wrights sermons too much. Add to that a more than healthy does of Liberal Elitism and get comments that are completely insulting and out of touch with middle America.

He actually believes what he said was ok, not out of the ordinary. he doesn't even get how denegatratinghis comments were/are.

He cannot win the white house in Nov. he's totally unelectable. His candidacy has no real basis. One snear could lose him the white house far less words like these as well as all of his other liabilitites.

This is why you dont nominate a young first term junior senator to be you nominee for President. He's unelectable against the Republicans.

Posted by: s.b. | Apr 12, 2008 9:06:16 AM

i will say once again before i sign off here...and i think it's great that everyone is so passionate about what they believe in......however,obama was nothing until oprah winfrey got involved. i will go on her show personally and argue with her about the race based bias that she has shown.

Posted by: carla sue | Apr 12, 2008 8:06:02 AM

Well .. well .. there he goes again ...

He says something .... and then he comes back and says he is clearly something else ..

He said PA Small Town voters are racist, are anti-immigrant, pro gun, pro religion, anti-trade because they are bitter due to jobs loss. That's why they are voting for Hillary.

Now, he says, they are bitter because they cannot count on Washington. Of course, they can count on Washington for religion, guns, trade etc.,

Give me a break. Either Obama thinks people are stupid or hopes at least the main stream media pundits will wink wink and repeat what he says.

Of course, we all know the pundits are in the tank for Obama. It is not a perception but reality.

Of course, let us see how MSNBC spins this one.

Posted by: Roger Miller | Apr 12, 2008 7:55:37 AM

How about blacks voting for him for he just been black? Are they not bitter?

Posted by: GS | Apr 12, 2008 7:52:40 AM

dl, i will state loud and clear. i am a woman, i am white, and i am physically disabled. i have been disabled since age 16, but fight the good fight every day. now what do you have to say about me

Posted by: carla sue | Apr 12, 2008 7:51:00 AM

dl,
yes, i do understand frustration from the small town, jobs lost people. i live in a small town, and nearly lost my job to mexico. i am barely hanging on, and won't blame hillary or obama in fact for any of the state that the economy is in now. it is from that idiot that is in the white house.
however, despite mistakes you claim hillary has made, that is fine, we are all human and make them, obama does not have the experience to make mistakes on a senatorial front, let alone on a presidential front. he also said in the msnbc debate with hillary, that and i quote 'i am looking for strong people in my administration, as i will not always be right'......who is anyway??
and as i said in an earlier post, if it weren't for oprah, obama would be a nothing to this day.....

Posted by: carla sue | Apr 12, 2008 7:48:20 AM

I really think this is being blown out of all proportion by the Clinton Campaign, and the media. Obama made the point that small town america doesn't feel it is represented well in Washington, and that makes them worry more about social issues, rather than economic areas, and small town america tends to be socially conservative. Maybe the word 'bitter' was a bit insenstive, but other than that, how does this become an issue?

Posted by: markymark | Apr 12, 2008 7:48:08 AM

then again Carla Sue maybe you are not black or hispanic or Jewish or second generation or first generation or physically disabled or elderly or poor ...or a woman...

Because those are the people that get effected by the statistics that Obama was talking about in these small towns that had factory closings.

This is the difference between someone who left college to take a job helping those people and one who has no idea what it is to be out of a job, have no money a family full of kids and polticians that fan the flames of issues that play to their "win" rather than the issues that will save these families.

Posted by: dl | Apr 12, 2008 7:46:31 AM

Carla Sue

You are wrong on may fronts. ...and you obviously don't realize that many of those towns that are frustrated have a direct correlation between their factory closing and NAFTA.

There are many "questionable" decisions and relationships that Sen Clinton has had or made...enough that puts almost any other politician out there. That is the problem...because her last name is Clinton and she lived in the White House for 8 years...you all don't realize if you compare her to other Senators and candidates for that matter...her legislative, personal choices, and like ability history is not good enough to be where she is. ...seriously compared to so many other candidates...but because her name is Clinton and she lived in the White House...you all suddenly are blind to all her weaknesses...and her list of weaknesses is exponential of almost anyone else on the national stage.

...and you say we are blind sheep... I think just is years of hope in the dark and fighting for her that makes you so myopic.

...and Obama is going to come out better from all this stuff with Pennsylvania small towns...he unlike the other two addressed what it truly means when a factory closes and the economy turns down...

cause let me tell you it is about to get much worse here...and if Hillary and John don't see the statistics prove that racism, violent crime, angry ethnocentrism go up dramatically when the economy goes down (which has been proven over and over in MANY studies)...then heaven help us if they are the next President. Life in America is going to get much worse if we have a President that attacks another candidate for stating that.

Posted by: dl | Apr 12, 2008 7:41:11 AM

james,
talk about error on one's part......obama sat in a church (if you want to call it that) for 20 years subjecting his kids to the rev wright.....do you think that is good judgement? what about the endorsement by the nbpp....or the crap with rattso....is this ok, and just an err in judgement, but acceptable because it is a man doing it????? every time hillary does something, here comes the lynch mob. you know, obama was nothing until oprah got on the bandwagon and endorsed him with 'the truth'....now that the rev wright has come out, where the hell is oprah now???? hiding from the 'truth' as obama is. what a free ride he has taken from the media....and of all people....oprah winfrey. she needs to take her blinders off/

Posted by: carla sue | Apr 12, 2008 7:09:28 AM

Hillary did not even acknowledge that people are bitter about the situation. She said they are resilient. Sure they are. We are optimistic that regardless of Hillary or Obama, we hope that either of them get their and hopefully change our bitterness. She decided to use it as an attack without reading the full content of the transcript. Another error in judgments on her part

Posted by: james | Apr 12, 2008 7:05:58 AM

bitter......bitter????? just who is bitter....let me tell you who is...no one under bill clinton's presidency, no one is bitter until this puke we have now in the white house took office. it is going to take another clinton to clean up another bush mess....
and don't even think about putting a rev wright, nbpp, rattso, canadian trade act, bitter pa voter accuser in the white house either.....

Posted by: carla sue | Apr 12, 2008 7:00:40 AM

The truth is that I am tired of the media and their snippets. Just like this blog. It make sme bitter. But I also known that what this election has revealed is that the conventional media are going out of bussiness due to technology explosion. Who would have thought of realclearpolitics, politico, tnr and so many. There are so many source of information these days. good or bad. By the next election analyst on Lou Dobbs and O'Reilly would be out of jobs. Maybe They will get bitter

Posted by: james | Apr 12, 2008 6:11:27 AM

People are bitter and angry because of the Iraq war and the job lost to China and India but this time they are angry and bitter because the voters in Florida and Michigan are ignored by DNC and Obama doesn't want their voices be heard even a revote.

Posted by: stock_craft | Apr 12, 2008 5:56:08 AM

I know , I know Obama lovers who post on the internet. Its ALL taken out of context.

Doesnt matter what he says. Doesnt matter what he does. Doesnt matter who he knows. Doesnt matter if he has any experience in the slightest.

Just listen to the RHETORIC in his prepared speeches and vote for the guy.

Thats what we Obama lovers do.

Posted by: tomdavie | Apr 12, 2008 5:30:11 AM

Reading the full transcript at the fund raiser supports the point that he is in touch unlike Hillary and McCain. They did not take the time to read the transcript or investigate and jumped into what they heard from the media and attacked immediately. Same way they both took us to war in Iraq. Obama response showed how bad their judgements are..

Posted by: james | Apr 12, 2008 5:10:03 AM

Boy, you can sure tell the Hillary campaign's people are online to blog everything tonight.

Posted by: BlueCalico | Apr 12, 2008 5:05:13 AM

Below is the full transcript from the same huffington post blog. He was asked a question about how to win Pensylvania workling class and they focused on j