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Senator Casey: Clinton Arguments Against Obama Getting "Really Ridiculous"

April 10, 2008 4:46 PM

You may recall, last week on the ABC News Shuffle Podcast, we chatted with Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, a supporter of Sen Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.

This week we interviewed Sen. Bob Casey Jr., D-Penn., who endorsed Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, despite having previously said he would remain neutral.

You can listen to the Casey Podcast HERE. (My thanks to ABC News Shuffle producer Julia Hoppock and assistant producer Clare Malone.)

The mild-mannered Casey showed a little fire after I asked him about Rendell’s argument that Clinton had been thoroughly vetted and Obama has not Rendell's calculation being that there’s only 10% unknown about Clinton and 50% unknown about Obama.

"I think the other side needs to start coming up with better arguments about how Obama can’t win," Casey said. " Some of these arguments are beginning to get really ridiculous because this should be a campaign about why their ideas are better."

Taking aim at Rendell’s "vetting" argument, Casey said "the idea that everybody in the country has everything they need to know about one candidate and 50% about Obama is a mystery, because to make that argument, and to get that argument past the hysterical laughter test is to assert that the national media has a conspiracy to keep Sen. Obama’s record under wraps until the Republicans get a hold of it and hit him over the head with it. It’s a ridiculous argument. Both of these candidates have been vetted for 18 months now, and they’ll be vetted even more. So I think whoever is nominated, they’re both going to be vetted."

Casey said he decided to publicly endorse in March after he decided whom he'll vote for in the state's April 22 primary.

"When a primary of this dimension is taking place in your state and you are a decided voter and you are an elected official who has run for state-wide office a number of times," Casey said, "I thought it was important to weigh in."

"I think he can best unite the country and the world," he said of Obama. "Both challenges are going to be before the next president."

Casey’s endorsement was thought to be of added importance because of the "Casey Democrats" important in the state (first named after his father, the late Gov. Bob Casey, Sr.)

white, blue collar, often Catholic, economically populist, a bit more culturally conservative.

In short, voters Obama has had trouble wooing.

"I think we’ve made a lot of progress with regards to working families and workers generally," Casey said. "I think that's reflected in some of the endorsements he’s received from labor organizations like SEIU is a tremendous boost for his campaign. It represents a broad cross section of workers. The Teamsters are another example of a Union that’s very concerned about trade."

By why is Clinton so far ahead with those voters, according to polls?

"I do think that time and history play a very big role," Casey said. "I’m speaking to you as someone who has benefited tremendously from the fact that a member of my family ran for office ahead of me. There's no question that I've benefited from that during the time that I've been in public office for more than a decade now and I think that Clinton has benefited greatly from President Clinton's years in government. For example, in Pennsylvania, they've been campaigning here for 15 years. A four-week or an eight-week or a 20-week campaign by Sen. Obama can’t overcome that."

Right when Obama started campaigning in Pennsylvania is when the story of the Rev. Wright scandal broke. Casey said he hadn’t heard much about Wright from voters, who were more concerned with economics and home foreclosures.

"With regard to the controversy, I know two things," Casey said, "I know Sen. Obama’s heart and his character and I know what he said in his speech. And of course I and every American I know would condemn what Rev. Wright said, but the way Sen. Obama dealt with that is an example of uncommon leadership that I haven’t seen in an American politician ever in the national level."

Asked about the potential for a vicious convention fight, Casey said, "It’s a real concern, I think that most Democratic Party leaders, elected officials, delegates, voters, whoever you talk to, (are) very concerned about having a big fight at the convention. I don’t think that's going to happen though, there's going to be at some point in time, for a variety of reasons, a confluence of the will of the people, a lead in delegates, the so-called super delegates weighing in as well and I think it will be resolved before the convention."

"I think we can get through this stalemate," Casey said at another point, "but it’s not going to happen in the next two weeks, its going to take a while I think."

When Casey decided to endorse Obama many in the media (including me) recalled how poorly Casey’s father the late Gov. Bob Casey Sr. – had been treated by then-Gov. Bill Clinton and those running the 1992 Democratic convention. Casey Sr. had wanted to give a speech promoting his views against abortion. Not only was he not allowed to do so, the Clinton forces made a show of rejecting him quite publicly, allowing to speak an abortion-rights Republican activist who had worked to defeat Casey in his re-election. To his dying day, Casey Sr. resented how he had been treated by the Clinton campaign.

"I think that there's a strong consensus that that was a terrible mistake and should never have happened and I think that both sides know that now," Casey Jr. said. "But I do think when you’re talking about the question of who you’re going to support it does come down to whether you really have confidence, and more confidence in one candidate versus the other."

Listen to the full Podcast HERE.

- jpt

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Casey isn't the only politician relying on their children to make their decision about whom to support. Remember Maria Shriver showing up at an Obama rally with Caroline Kennedy and Oprah?

Obama lost in California - despite these "star" endorsements. and relying on your children? - so, I guess Casey and Shriver are the kind of parents who think parenting is giving their children anything they want!

Posted by: morningside | Apr 11, 2008 7:06:53 PM

Shouldn't both of them take the position that they're the ones who can win? Obama's been saying that for months, that he can get voters she can't. Isn't convincing people that they're the best person for the job and the one who can beat the McCain what they're supposed to be doing?

My God this is petty! It's unbelievable that a statement like that IN AN ELECTION can be turned something racist.

And I think all this crap about these kind of statements hurting Obama in the general are a crock. In fact, IMO the fact that they went after each other so hard and put everything out on the table in this primary will be an advantage. All of their skeltons will be old news, while the public will see all of McCain's negatives as fresh issues. I think the idea that this primary has hurt either Dem for the general is just another way for Obama supporters to bash Clinton. It's a presidental election. If he can't play with the big kids, he should go home. And another thing, how credible would Hillary's idea that Obama can't win be after he's beaten her?

And another thing, this, like the tactics his supporters use when complaining when Clinton brings up Rev. Wright, along with anything else he'd prefer not to be discussed, is starting to sound a little too much like all Bush's accusations that people who brought up things he didn't like were unpatriotic.

I've always said Axelrod was the democratic Karl Rove, but he's proving to be a little too close for comfort.

Posted by: Teri B. | Apr 11, 2008 4:17:50 PM

The Washington Post today 4-11-08 --"But those with wealth and power also have played a critical role in creating Obama's record-breaking fundraising machine, and their generosity has earned them a prominent voice in shaping his campaign. Seventy-nine "bundlers," five of them billionaires, have tapped their personal networks to raise at least $200,000 each. They have helped the campaign recruit more than 27,000 donors to write checks for $2,300, the maximum allowed. Donors who have given more than $200 account for about half of Obama's total haul, which stands at nearly $240 million. HASN'T ANYONE NOTICED---REZKO TRIAL HAS ALREADY POINTED OUT THAT REZKO GAVE MONEY TO DONORS TO GIVE TO THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN IN 2003 AND THEN PAID THEM BACK BREAKING FEDERAL LAWS. HE IS DOING IT AGAIN AND EVERYONE IS JUST SITTING BACK AND LETTING HIM DO IT??????

Posted by: Anne | Apr 11, 2008 1:06:17 PM

Casey: Just for the record. Yopu just lost your re-election to your seat.

You have made lots and lots of us Pennsyulvanians made by endorsing someone like Obama.

I thought you were a practicing Catholic.

How dare you vote for someone whom is so pro-abortion and is getting the backing and endorsement of the Planned Parenthood Organization...You should be ashamed of yourself.

I can't wait until your candidate looses; especially after they get all the dirt on Obama....Oh! Yeah! Belive me! It's all coming out soon.

It ain't ending with Wright...now the news media is focusing on William Ayers and Bernadine DOhrn. Interesting!!!!

Posted by: mary | Apr 11, 2008 12:40:40 PM

Casey is an insult to his father. His father stood for life, not for abortion. His father was one of the most outspoken government officials against abortion. He was totally Pro-Life.

Then her comes his idiot son, whom endorses the worst candidate ever on the issues of aboriton. Mr. Obama has the worst record in the senate on abortion issues. In fact he is the only one that tried to overturn the 2002 Bill that was signed to save late-term abroted babies from being murdered.

Obama and his wife Michelle (she threw a 140.00 plate luncheon) to help her husband here in Illinois to overtrhrow that signed Bill.

Even the real Liberals in the senate such as :Ted Kennedy, Barabar Boxer and even Hillary Clinton voted for the Bill to pass.

Obama is the closest to infanticide of all the candidates.

Casey should be ashamed of himself (especially him being a Catholic and his dad for pro-life) to endorse some one as evil as Obama.

Posted by: stella | Apr 11, 2008 12:34:50 PM

Or maybe the question comes down to which is worse, guilt by association (Obama) or lying (Clintons).

Posted by: Cindy | Apr 11, 2008 12:24:58 PM

Casey is an idiot.
Hillary Clinton cannot unload on Obama the way the Repubs are going to do, because the media will savage her if she does. That is why the Rev Wright scandal (which contrary to the media IS really hurting Obama) didn't come out until the end of the Primary and not the beginning.
If Hillary was as nasty as Obama supporters say she is, she would have came out with the Rev Wright stuff before Iowa and Obama would have been the first Dem candidate to leave the race.
Casey said his daughters pushed him to vote for Obama. How lame is that? A parent letting his kids push him around.
Casey is also an idiot for holding a grudge against the Clintons, when it was his father's refusal to endorse Bill Clinton, which was the reason why his father didn't speak at the convention.
Casey also harbors resentment to Ed Rendell because he lost the election for state Governor to Rendell.
I supported Casey when he ran for Senator simply because he was a Dem. But now that I have been getting to know more about what kind of vain and petty person he is, He's lost my support forever. Screw him.
I'll work to defeat him when the next election comes up.

Posted by: OxyCon | Apr 11, 2008 12:16:05 PM

Jacksmith writes that "She (Hillary Clinton) won by larger margins than the vote totals showed" and reminds me of Mark Twain's quote that "Wagner's music is much better than it sounds."
Go Obama!

Dredbear in Texas

Posted by: Nancy Roberts | Apr 11, 2008 12:11:14 PM

Does everyone have to argue absurdly like a lawyer today? You're not getting 3 mill to represent that serial killer as their defense attorney. If you are a supporter of candidate X it is alright to admit they made mistakes.

1) Stop with the Barrack Hussein Obama racist garbage

2) McCain couldn't possibly use public financing while others used the old financing methods.

3) Its ok to admit that Hillary is pretty good at the game of politics. Its her profession. You're not potentially voting for her to be your Mom.

Accept the various backgrounds that people come from and leave it at that.

Posted by: wallywojo | Apr 11, 2008 10:47:50 AM

Regardless of the outcome in Pennsylvania, Obama will win the nomination and the general election in the fall. Obama has the best organized and funded presidential campaign in history. Clinton's campaign is the poster chid of incompetence. And John McCentury's campaign will implode before the election arrives. Get used to hearing "President Obama" all you haters out there. It will happen with or without you because the majority of the voters are ready to move the country in a new positive and progressive direction.

Posted by: kamenwati | Apr 11, 2008 9:47:39 AM

What is really ridiculous is that Casey admitted his minor CHILDREN were the reason he endorsed Obama. I guess he wanted to be a "cool" dad. I guess that sums up America these days, huh? It's more important to look "cool" than to make sense. Being older and wise is now a NEGATIVE and earns you slander and disapproval in the press, while kids with no life experiences are driving our nominee. God Help Us All. And I wonder if that Casey dude will win a second term from PA? Seems folks up there are pretty sensible and I am not sure they'll appreciate their senator taking cues from his kids. What else is the kid dictating?

Posted by: A reader in Georgia | Apr 11, 2008 8:05:38 AM

Let's hope Obama doesn't win Penn.

If he does, Clinton will have to drop out now, the other primaries won't matter, the Clinton croud will cry foul, and a sense of unfairness will make it impossible to unite the party.

Since Clinton can't win, the best thing that could happen is that Obama consolidates his lead slowly, with each remaining primary remaining important and fair. In the end, Clinton can claim she lost fair and square and we can unite behind Obama.

Other than that, the only other scenario I could see happening is that a new big-time scandal sinks Obama completely and we can unite behind Clinton. But how likely is that?

Does anyone see any other alternatives?

Posted by: R.S. | Apr 11, 2008 7:08:59 AM

Time to face the music.

Obama will be the nominee and McCain is a weak candidate. Obama knows you can't snub Florida so the delegates will be seated. The only reason Gore hasn't openly endorsed Obama now is that he knows he can wield more effect by holding back and dropping hints.

The only reason Hillary has so many pledged superdelegates left is that they endorsed her early on, when she was 'inevitable.' They are with her now out of loyalty only; that is, out of fear that if they jump ship they will face her wrath later when she is still the senatior from NY. They even say so!

Wake up democrats. Our infighting is like Lord of the Flies all over again. That you demonize Obama is natural and human nature - Politics is gang warfare our human minds do this to the opponents of our favorite candidate.

Try to rise above it and save your hate for the republicans. If some new scandal sinks Obama, I will vote Clinton.

Posted by: Russ Schmieder | Apr 11, 2008 4:02:21 AM

I think Rendall has a valid point. Not only was the "Wright " controversy a surprise to voters...many who had already voted would have made a different choice...but it was quickly supressed by the MSM. I believe there are lots of problems with Obama as a candidate. This is a guy who has demanded unprecedented disclosure from Clinton and has NO papertrail of his terms in the IL State Senate,


This is a guy who claims that living in Indonesia as a young child is foreign policy experience and the MSM ignores it. This is a guy that is fattening his resume by claiming that a college trip to Pakistan is more valid experience than meeting with heads of state.

Give me a break these types of statements are being ignored. But I'm pretty sure that the Republicans won't ignore them.

It's really hard to consider voting for him. At least with McCain you know where he stands. And the Clinton's despite the medias attempt to assure America that they are worthless and corrupt have spent their lifetimes working to make other people's lives better.

Posted by: Jackie | Apr 11, 2008 2:01:25 AM

Jacksmith, it's so laughable that you're always posting the same post on every site, saying "She's a woman and a mother." LOL, since when was that a presidential quality? 50% of the adult population on Earth are women, and most of them are or will be mothers- should we all become president? I wish you'd stop copy/pasting your lame post everywhere and actually say something logical.

Posted by: Sally | Apr 11, 2008 1:26:13 AM

Hey, Sharon, to answer you, Obama was NOT born a Muslim. Stop trying to spread false info and read for once. His mother, a white woman from Kansas, was Christian, and his biological father was practically an atheist, and abandoned the family when Obama was 2 years old.

Posted by: Sally | Apr 11, 2008 1:22:02 AM

This just shows you that everyone has a right to their opinion. The current results do show that more people prefer Obama, otherwise can someone explain why he is winning?!! - and don't tell me its the media - that's jus a lame excuse.

Posted by: JustChill | Apr 11, 2008 1:13:03 AM

just the facts, Amanda
(yawn)
Just the facts.....

Posted by: QUESTIONER | Apr 11, 2008 12:55:24 AM

Now, what I see as really ridiculous is when politicians like Casey come out with all these touchy feely intangible descriptors when explaining why they've decided to endorse Senator Obama.

For instance:

"Best to unite the country," well how is he going to do that when he can't even unite the Democratic Party? Oh, and as for uniting the world, I have been wondering exactly how Muslim fundamentalists will view a president who was born to a Muslim father and decided to become a Christian (I'm not an expert, but I thought that was frowned upon by fundamentalists, and one would think his constant claims about not being a Muslim might just be a tad insulting).

"Uncommon leadership" with respect to his speech on race? Hmmm ... I saw his speech as a diversion, I expected him to explain why he sat in the pews for 20 years, and he attempted to burden me with a whole lot of guilt (while throwing grandma under the bus, ouch!). And, I think people who say Rev. Wright won't matter are fooling themselves.

Posted by: Sharon | Apr 11, 2008 12:04:47 AM

DON'T BE DUPED !!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. “Carpe diem” (harvest the day).

I think Hillary Clinton see’s a beautiful world of plenty for all. She is a woman, and a mother. And it’s time America. Do this for your-selves, and your children’s future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don’t want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! OUT GUNNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

I think Barack Obama has a once in a life time chance to make the ultimate historic gesture for unity, and change in America by accepting Hillary Clinton’s offer as running mate. Such an act now would for ever seal Barack Obama’s place at the top of the list of Americas all time great leaders, and unifiers for all of history.

The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

“This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith...

Posted by: jacksmith | Apr 11, 2008 12:02:27 AM

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