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Senator Casey: Clinton Arguments Against Obama Getting "Really Ridiculous"
April 10, 2008 4:46 PM
You may recall, last week on the ABC News Shuffle Podcast, we chatted with Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, a supporter of Sen Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.
This week we interviewed Sen. Bob Casey Jr., D-Penn., who endorsed Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, despite having previously said he would remain neutral.
You can listen to the Casey Podcast HERE. (My thanks to ABC News Shuffle producer Julia Hoppock and assistant producer Clare Malone.)
The mild-mannered Casey showed a little fire after I asked him about Rendell’s argument that Clinton had been thoroughly vetted and Obama has not –Rendell's calculation being that there’s only 10% unknown about Clinton and 50% unknown about Obama.
"I think the other side needs to start coming up with better arguments about how Obama can’t win," Casey said. " Some of these arguments are beginning to get really ridiculous because this should be a campaign about why their ideas are better."
Taking aim at Rendell’s "vetting" argument, Casey said "the idea that everybody in the country has everything they need to know about one candidate and 50% about Obama is a mystery, because to make that argument, and to get that argument past the hysterical laughter test is to assert that the national media has a conspiracy to keep Sen. Obama’s record under wraps until the Republicans get a hold of it and hit him over the head with it. It’s a ridiculous argument. Both of these candidates have been vetted for 18 months now, and they’ll be vetted even more. So I think whoever is nominated, they’re both going to be vetted."
Casey said he decided to publicly endorse in March after he decided whom he'll vote for in the state's April 22 primary.
"When a primary of this dimension is taking place in your state and you are a decided voter and you are an elected official who has run for state-wide office a number of times," Casey said, "I thought it was important to weigh in."
"I think he can best unite the country and the world," he said of Obama. "Both challenges are going to be before the next president."
Casey’s endorsement was thought to be of added importance because of the "Casey Democrats" important in the state (first named after his father, the late Gov. Bob Casey, Sr.) –
white, blue collar, often Catholic, economically populist, a bit more culturally conservative.
In short, voters Obama has had trouble wooing.
"I think we’ve made a lot of progress with regards to working families and workers generally," Casey said. "I think that's reflected in some of the endorsements he’s received from labor organizations like SEIU is a tremendous boost for his campaign. It represents a broad cross section of workers. The Teamsters are another example of a Union that’s very concerned about trade."
By why is Clinton so far ahead with those voters, according to polls?
"I do think that time and history play a very big role," Casey said. "I’m speaking to you as someone who has benefited tremendously from the fact that a member of my family ran for office ahead of me. There's no question that I've benefited from that during the time that I've been in public office for more than a decade now and I think that Clinton has benefited greatly from President Clinton's years in government. For example, in Pennsylvania, they've been campaigning here for 15 years. A four-week or an eight-week or a 20-week campaign by Sen. Obama can’t overcome that."
Right when Obama started campaigning in Pennsylvania is when the story of the Rev. Wright scandal broke. Casey said he hadn’t heard much about Wright from voters, who were more concerned with economics and home foreclosures.
"With regard to the controversy, I know two things," Casey said, "I know Sen. Obama’s heart and his character and I know what he said in his speech. And of course I and every American I know would condemn what Rev. Wright said, but the way Sen. Obama dealt with that is an example of uncommon leadership that I haven’t seen in an American politician ever in the national level."
Asked about the potential for a vicious convention fight, Casey said, "It’s a real concern, I think that most Democratic Party leaders, elected officials, delegates, voters, whoever you talk to, (are) very concerned about having a big fight at the convention. I don’t think that's going to happen though, there's going to be at some point in time, for a variety of reasons, a confluence of the will of the people, a lead in delegates, the so-called super delegates weighing in as well and I think it will be resolved before the convention."
"I think we can get through this stalemate," Casey said at another point, "but it’s not going to happen in the next two weeks, its going to take a while I think."
When Casey decided to endorse Obama many in the media (including me) recalled how poorly Casey’s father – the late Gov. Bob Casey Sr. – had been treated by then-Gov. Bill Clinton and those running the 1992 Democratic convention. Casey Sr. had wanted to give a speech promoting his views against abortion. Not only was he not allowed to do so, the Clinton forces made a show of rejecting him quite publicly, allowing to speak an abortion-rights Republican activist who had worked to defeat Casey in his re-election. To his dying day, Casey Sr. resented how he had been treated by the Clinton campaign.
"I think that there's a strong consensus that that was a terrible mistake and should never have happened and I think that both sides know that now," Casey Jr. said. "But I do think when you’re talking about the question of who you’re going to support it does come down to whether you really have confidence, and more confidence in one candidate versus the other."
Listen to the full Podcast HERE.
- jpt
April 10, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (117)
Casey isn't the only politician relying on their children to make their decision about whom to support. Remember Maria Shriver showing up at an Obama rally with Caroline Kennedy and Oprah?
Obama lost in California - despite these "star" endorsements. and relying on your children? - so, I guess Casey and Shriver are the kind of parents who think parenting is giving their children anything they want!
Posted by: morningside | Apr 11, 2008 7:06:53 PM
Shouldn't both of them take the position that they're the ones who can win? Obama's been saying that for months, that he can get voters she can't. Isn't convincing people that they're the best person for the job and the one who can beat the McCain what they're supposed to be doing?
My God this is petty! It's unbelievable that a statement like that IN AN ELECTION can be turned something racist.
And I think all this crap about these kind of statements hurting Obama in the general are a crock. In fact, IMO the fact that they went after each other so hard and put everything out on the table in this primary will be an advantage. All of their skeltons will be old news, while the public will see all of McCain's negatives as fresh issues. I think the idea that this primary has hurt either Dem for the general is just another way for Obama supporters to bash Clinton. It's a presidental election. If he can't play with the big kids, he should go home. And another thing, how credible would Hillary's idea that Obama can't win be after he's beaten her?
And another thing, this, like the tactics his supporters use when complaining when Clinton brings up Rev. Wright, along with anything else he'd prefer not to be discussed, is starting to sound a little too much like all Bush's accusations that people who brought up things he didn't like were unpatriotic.
I've always said Axelrod was the democratic Karl Rove, but he's proving to be a little too close for comfort.
Posted by: Teri B. | Apr 11, 2008 4:17:50 PM
The Washington Post today 4-11-08 --"But those with wealth and power also have played a critical role in creating Obama's record-breaking fundraising machine, and their generosity has earned them a prominent voice in shaping his campaign. Seventy-nine "bundlers," five of them billionaires, have tapped their personal networks to raise at least $200,000 each. They have helped the campaign recruit more than 27,000 donors to write checks for $2,300, the maximum allowed. Donors who have given more than $200 account for about half of Obama's total haul, which stands at nearly $240 million. HASN'T ANYONE NOTICED---REZKO TRIAL HAS ALREADY POINTED OUT THAT REZKO GAVE MONEY TO DONORS TO GIVE TO THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN IN 2003 AND THEN PAID THEM BACK BREAKING FEDERAL LAWS. HE IS DOING IT AGAIN AND EVERYONE IS JUST SITTING BACK AND LETTING HIM DO IT??????
Posted by: Anne | Apr 11, 2008 1:06:17 PM
Casey: Just for the record. Yopu just lost your re-election to your seat.
You have made lots and lots of us Pennsyulvanians made by endorsing someone like Obama.
I thought you were a practicing Catholic.
How dare you vote for someone whom is so pro-abortion and is getting the backing and endorsement of the Planned Parenthood Organization...You should be ashamed of yourself.
I can't wait until your candidate looses; especially after they get all the dirt on Obama....Oh! Yeah! Belive me! It's all coming out soon.
It ain't ending with Wright...now the news media is focusing on William Ayers and Bernadine DOhrn. Interesting!!!!
Posted by: mary | Apr 11, 2008 12:40:40 PM
Casey is an insult to his father. His father stood for life, not for abortion. His father was one of the most outspoken government officials against abortion. He was totally Pro-Life.
Then her comes his idiot son, whom endorses the worst candidate ever on the issues of aboriton. Mr. Obama has the worst record in the senate on abortion issues. In fact he is the only one that tried to overturn the 2002 Bill that was signed to save late-term abroted babies from being murdered.
Obama and his wife Michelle (she threw a 140.00 plate luncheon) to help her husband here in Illinois to overtrhrow that signed Bill.
Even the real Liberals in the senate such as :Ted Kennedy, Barabar Boxer and even Hillary Clinton voted for the Bill to pass.
Obama is the closest to infanticide of all the candidates.
Casey should be ashamed of himself (especially him being a Catholic and his dad for pro-life) to endorse some one as evil as Obama.
Posted by: stella | Apr 11, 2008 12:34:50 PM
Or maybe the question comes down to which is worse, guilt by association (Obama) or lying (Clintons).
Posted by: Cindy | Apr 11, 2008 12:24:58 PM
Casey is an idiot.
Hillary Clinton cannot unload on Obama the way the Repubs are going to do, because the media will savage her if she does. That is why the Rev Wright scandal (which contrary to the media IS really hurting Obama) didn't come out until the end of the Primary and not the beginning.
If Hillary was as nasty as Obama supporters say she is, she would have came out with the Rev Wright stuff before Iowa and Obama would have been the first Dem candidate to leave the race.
Casey said his daughters pushed him to vote for Obama. How lame is that? A parent letting his kids push him around.
Casey is also an idiot for holding a grudge against the Clintons, when it was his father's refusal to endorse Bill Clinton, which was the reason why his father didn't speak at the convention.
Casey also harbors resentment to Ed Rendell because he lost the election for state Governor to Rendell.
I supported Casey when he ran for Senator simply because he was a Dem. But now that I have been getting to know more about what kind of vain and petty person he is, He's lost my support forever. Screw him.
I'll work to defeat him when the next election comes up.
Posted by: OxyCon | Apr 11, 2008 12:16:05 PM
Jacksmith writes that "She (Hillary Clinton) won by larger margins than the vote totals showed" and reminds me of Mark Twain's quote that "Wagner's music is much better than it sounds."
Go Obama!
Dredbear in Texas
Posted by: Nancy Roberts | Apr 11, 2008 12:11:14 PM
Does everyone have to argue absurdly like a lawyer today? You're not getting 3 mill to represent that serial killer as their defense attorney. If you are a supporter of candidate X it is alright to admit they made mistakes.
1) Stop with the Barrack Hussein Obama racist garbage
2) McCain couldn't possibly use public financing while others used the old financing methods.
3) Its ok to admit that Hillary is pretty good at the game of politics. Its her profession. You're not potentially voting for her to be your Mom.
Accept the various backgrounds that people come from and leave it at that.
Posted by: wallywojo | Apr 11, 2008 10:47:50 AM
Regardless of the outcome in Pennsylvania, Obama will win the nomination and the general election in the fall. Obama has the best organized and funded presidential campaign in history. Clinton's campaign is the poster chid of incompetence. And John McCentury's campaign will implode before the election arrives. Get used to hearing "President Obama" all you haters out there. It will happen with or without you because the majority of the voters are ready to move the country in a new positive and progressive direction.
Posted by: kamenwati | Apr 11, 2008 9:47:39 AM
What is really ridiculous is that Casey admitted his minor CHILDREN were the reason he endorsed Obama. I guess he wanted to be a "cool" dad. I guess that sums up America these days, huh? It's more important to look "cool" than to make sense. Being older and wise is now a NEGATIVE and earns you slander and disapproval in the press, while kids with no life experiences are driving our nominee. God Help Us All. And I wonder if that Casey dude will win a second term from PA? Seems folks up there are pretty sensible and I am not sure they'll appreciate their senator taking cues from his kids. What else is the kid dictating?
Posted by: A reader in Georgia | Apr 11, 2008 8:05:38 AM
Let's hope Obama doesn't win Penn.
If he does, Clinton will have to drop out now, the other primaries won't matter, the Clinton croud will cry foul, and a sense of unfairness will make it impossible to unite the party.
Since Clinton can't win, the best thing that could happen is that Obama consolidates his lead slowly, with each remaining primary remaining important and fair. In the end, Clinton can claim she lost fair and square and we can unite behind Obama.
Other than that, the only other scenario I could see happening is that a new big-time scandal sinks Obama completely and we can unite behind Clinton. But how likely is that?
Does anyone see any other alternatives?
Posted by: R.S. | Apr 11, 2008 7:08:59 AM
Time to face the music.
Obama will be the nominee and McCain is a weak candidate. Obama knows you can't snub Florida so the delegates will be seated. The only reason Gore hasn't openly endorsed Obama now is that he knows he can wield more effect by holding back and dropping hints.
The only reason Hillary has so many pledged superdelegates left is that they endorsed her early on, when she was 'inevitable.' They are with her now out of loyalty only; that is, out of fear that if they jump ship they will face her wrath later when she is still the senatior from NY. They even say so!
Wake up democrats. Our infighting is like Lord of the Flies all over again. That you demonize Obama is natural and human nature - Politics is gang warfare our human minds do this to the opponents of our favorite candidate.
Try to rise above it and save your hate for the republicans. If some new scandal sinks Obama, I will vote Clinton.
Posted by: Russ Schmieder | Apr 11, 2008 4:02:21 AM
I think Rendall has a valid point. Not only was the "Wright " controversy a surprise to voters...many who had already voted would have made a different choice...but it was quickly supressed by the MSM. I believe there are lots of problems with Obama as a candidate. This is a guy who has demanded unprecedented disclosure from Clinton and has NO papertrail of his terms in the IL State Senate,
This is a guy who claims that living in Indonesia as a young child is foreign policy experience and the MSM ignores it. This is a guy that is fattening his resume by claiming that a college trip to Pakistan is more valid experience than meeting with heads of state.
Give me a break these types of statements are being ignored. But I'm pretty sure that the Republicans won't ignore them.
It's really hard to consider voting for him. At least with McCain you know where he stands. And the Clinton's despite the medias attempt to assure America that they are worthless and corrupt have spent their lifetimes working to make other people's lives better.
Posted by: Jackie | Apr 11, 2008 2:01:25 AM
Jacksmith, it's so laughable that you're always posting the same post on every site, saying "She's a woman and a mother." LOL, since when was that a presidential quality? 50% of the adult population on Earth are women, and most of them are or will be mothers- should we all become president? I wish you'd stop copy/pasting your lame post everywhere and actually say something logical.
Posted by: Sally | Apr 11, 2008 1:26:13 AM
Hey, Sharon, to answer you, Obama was NOT born a Muslim. Stop trying to spread false info and read for once. His mother, a white woman from Kansas, was Christian, and his biological father was practically an atheist, and abandoned the family when Obama was 2 years old.
Posted by: Sally | Apr 11, 2008 1:22:02 AM
This just shows you that everyone has a right to their opinion. The current results do show that more people prefer Obama, otherwise can someone explain why he is winning?!! - and don't tell me its the media - that's jus a lame excuse.
Posted by: JustChill | Apr 11, 2008 1:13:03 AM
just the facts, Amanda
(yawn)
Just the facts.....
Posted by: QUESTIONER | Apr 11, 2008 12:55:24 AM
Now, what I see as really ridiculous is when politicians like Casey come out with all these touchy feely intangible descriptors when explaining why they've decided to endorse Senator Obama.
For instance:
"Best to unite the country," well how is he going to do that when he can't even unite the Democratic Party? Oh, and as for uniting the world, I have been wondering exactly how Muslim fundamentalists will view a president who was born to a Muslim father and decided to become a Christian (I'm not an expert, but I thought that was frowned upon by fundamentalists, and one would think his constant claims about not being a Muslim might just be a tad insulting).
"Uncommon leadership" with respect to his speech on race? Hmmm ... I saw his speech as a diversion, I expected him to explain why he sat in the pews for 20 years, and he attempted to burden me with a whole lot of guilt (while throwing grandma under the bus, ouch!). And, I think people who say Rev. Wright won't matter are fooling themselves.
Posted by: Sharon | Apr 11, 2008 12:04:47 AM
DON'T BE DUPED !!!
Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.
But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. “Carpe diem” (harvest the day).
I think Hillary Clinton see’s a beautiful world of plenty for all. She is a woman, and a mother. And it’s time America. Do this for your-selves, and your children’s future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.
You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don’t want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves.
Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!
As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.
Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! OUT GUNNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.
If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.
The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.
I think Barack Obama has a once in a life time chance to make the ultimate historic gesture for unity, and change in America by accepting Hillary Clinton’s offer as running mate. Such an act now would for ever seal Barack Obama’s place at the top of the list of Americas all time great leaders, and unifiers for all of history.
The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.
Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.
“This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)
Sincerely
jacksmith...
Posted by: jacksmith | Apr 11, 2008 12:02:27 AM
One can understand all these frustrated hillary supporters and their whining and crying. Its not easy when all these folks hoped to see was Americans just closing thier eyes and voting for that lying woman and her cheating husband Bill. They did not expect that Americans have become smarter not to fall for the same old lies of the Clintons.
Hillary is not only phony, she is totally inefficient. She can't even run a smooth campaign, all the time, some problem or the other, her campaign is in deep sh*t. How on earth she is going to straighten the economy when her own economy is now in crisis. All these 35 yrs of cooked up experience is no use folks. She is no leader, only a liar! She is a good for nothing, but a whining and complaining woman. She brings shame to all good women. I would never allow her to run even the Dunkin Donuts around the street corner.
Posted by: amanda | Apr 10, 2008 11:52:02 PM
So far everything that we know about Barack Hussein Obama,seriously, who would want him as president of the USA? And Michelle as the first lady in the White House? Both of them haters of America.
Posted by: Francoise | Apr 10, 2008 10:47:17 PM
countallthevotes: The Casey kids remind me of the other big name endorsements that were influenced by the strong urging of their children -- Shriver, Caroline Kennedy, and my favorite, Claire McCaskill. I'll never understand why she went on program after program so proud of her teenage daughter that screamed at her, called her a slug and said she'd be ashamed of her if she didn't support Obama. Oh, man....
Posted by: cappamore | Apr 10, 2008 10:20:52 PM
1Vote - I disagree with your claims regarding the questioning of Gen. Petraeus. Here is RCP's take-
"Of the three presidential candidates displaying their intellectual wares in questioning Gen. David Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker, Obama surely was the most subtle and shrewd.
He also gave a bit of a hint of how he would practice his much-promised bipartisanship if he were elected president: He would coordinate and cooperate with Republicans when they agree with him.
By contrast, Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) basically delivered dueling campaign speeches over which was more "irresponsible" -- too-hasty troop withdrawals or continuing present policy."
Posted by: Amith Rajan | Apr 10, 2008 9:51:24 PM
Clinton supporters say they give all they can to their candidate and at the same time condemn Obama supporters for doing the same. They say all that money could be spent on . . . list your cause. They miss the point. I axed my grocery money lots of times to donate to Obama. It's my money and my choice if I want to eat cheap to help to take my country back from the fat cats. Mrs. Clinton's campaign was strongly funded from the top down with wealthy people. Obama's is mostly from the grass roots up and we aren't done yet. Not by a long shot. If you want to cut your grocery money to the bone to support a cause of your choice, please do. Organize a million people who agree with you and get it done. But don't say that the 1,300,000 of us who have already done it,don't have the right. This isn't public money that's being spent. This is money that we earned by our own hard work. It's money that we made sacrifices for. We stood together and we effected a change in the way that political campaigns will be funded in this country in the future. Nobody who donates $10.00 thinks that they have the right to try to threaten or intimidate The Speaker of the House of the United States of America. That distinction went to twenty of Hillary Clinton's wealthy supporters. If we don't want all the laws made for the benefit of fat cats, lobbyists, PAC's and special interests, then we have to take financial responsibility for our own elections. Obama supporters did that. If you really believe that democracy should support the people, you should be happy about that. It is a huge step forward for government for and by the people.
Posted by: karela | Apr 10, 2008 9:03:04 PM
The Clintons have made a $100-million fortune since leaving the White House, but that hasn’t kept Bill Clinton from taking full advantage of the publicly funded perks offered to ex-presidents.
In fact, his presidential retirement benefits cost taxpayers almost as much as those of the other two living ex-presidents combined.
The price tag for Clinton’s federal retirement allowance from 2001 through the end of this year will run $8 million, compared to $5.5 million for George H. W. Bush’s and $4 million for Jimmy Carter’s during the same period.
Since 2001, Clinton has received more of almost every benefit available to former presidents — from his pension to his staff’s salaries and benefits to supplies. His $420,000 phone bill and $3.2 million office rent tab both nearly surpassed the totals rung up for those purposes by Bush, Carter and the late former presidents Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan combined. As a group, they spent $484,000 on telephone service and $3.8 million on rent in the same span.
Posted by: Money! | Apr 10, 2008 8:51:05 PM
Hillary just today undid her support among the US military...
Military advice doesn't count for her! I think that is pretty shocking news...
At a news conference today, Hillary was asked if she would keep to her promises on withdrawing troops, even if she is advised differently by military leaders on the ground.
Her answer:
"Well, let me just describe to you
the way our system works," Mrs. Clinton said. "Policy is set by the civilian leadership. The president of the United States sets the policy. Our military, and thankfully so, carries out the policy that is set."
Isn't that amazing? She'll no longer have my vote. I'm from a military family and everyone here is furious about these remarks. And rightly so guess, for the security of American soldiers is at stake, among many other things.
"Let me just describe to you the way our system works"... that is ice cold arrogance. I'm for Obama now.
Posted by: karen | Apr 10, 2008 8:24:14 PM
1VOTE, OMG someone on MSNBC actually said something nice about Clinton. I bet we will never see him again.
Posted by: Tina D | Apr 10, 2008 7:52:06 PM
Eyes Open:
I also was thinking the exact same thing. Much has been written on the amount Obama is pissing away in PA. It is historic, never seen by any other candidate in that state's history. It dwarfs that spent by Hillary Clinton. The gist of one particular article was whether or not the nomination was up for sale in PA.
There should be a law to control this. Like campaign pledge Obama once agreed to with McCain and now reneges on.
All that money could have bailed out a lot of homeowners; could have paid for a lot of free medical care; could have supported low income kids in after school day care; could have funded drug rehabs, and on and on and on.
Hillary Clinton is the first candidate to whom I have contributed. I feel very strongly about her candidacy and so I do what I can. But, at the same time I do agree that sooooo much money coudl have been spent elsewhere.
Posted by: countallthevotes | Apr 10, 2008 7:35:44 PM
Confidence in a Clinton? LOL Your kidding right? NO ONE who views the facts has any confidence in a Clinton.
Good gosh check out the new news reports that show Bill Clinton has taken 8 million dollars from the american people in the last year and that almost 500 thousand last year alone was for his PHONE BILL!
We need to GET RID OF THIS TRASH!
Posted by: Brian | Apr 10, 2008 7:33:47 PM
Casey's real reason for endorsing Barack Obama:
“Also, his kids were on his case, his four daughters. Not that they dictate to him, but he was paying attention. He was wondering, why are these kids, who aren’t very political, so interested?"
NYT, March 28, 2008
Nice going Sen. Casey! Kids who aren't political now essentially endorsing.
Posted by: countallthevotes | Apr 10, 2008 7:27:44 PM
Frankly , I find it truly disgusting that so much money has been squandered on political pomp when it could better have been spent on food kitchens or mortgage funds or health care and education.
I hope that next time, the amount to be spent is limited to a reasonable figure.... for everyone.
Posted by: eyes open | Apr 10, 2008 7:26:34 PM
HILLARY's LATEST FOREIGN POLICY NEWS!
A deeply embarrassed Prime Minister Gordon Brown today found himself being wrongly lauded by Hillary Clinton for "boycotting" the Beijing Olympics.
To the fury of the British PM his decision to miss the rituals that will start the 2008 Games was being reported around the world as a snub to China.
Downing Street desperately tried to douse the story by pointing out that it had been saying for months that the Prime Minister would only attend the closing ceremony, where the torch will be symbolically passed from Beijing to London 2012.
See, Hillary has been going around praising Brown for his decision to skip the opening ceremonies, and the media has been all "Oooh, Hillary's pal Gordon is totally giving China the proverbial finger here, just like she wanted him to," and now the British government is trying to explain that really, Brown never intended to go to the ceremonies, but it was just some kind of scheduling issue, not a self-aggrandizing symbolic statement.
Posted by: hencken | Apr 10, 2008 7:26:04 PM
Casey obviously doesn't know as much about Obama as some of us do, or he would realize Rendel's argument is 100% correct. Of course, he also wouldn't be endorsing St. Obama and squiring him around Pennsylvania.
Posted by: HoosierSue | Apr 10, 2008 7:21:33 PM
@AMERICANPIE
"I want my slice of the pie!"
So do your fellow Americans. That was the whole point, you silly.
Posted by: kingston | Apr 10, 2008 7:15:55 PM
Quote of the Day
"He didn't have a lot of experience in running a presidential campaign, did he?"
-- Former Secretary of State Colin Powell, interviewed on Good Morning America, when asked if Sen. Barack Obama had enough experience to be president.
Posted by: greg | Apr 10, 2008 7:13:37 PM
AMERICAN PIE!
Michelle Obama said: “Most Americans don’t want much. Folks don’t want the whole pie. Someone is going to have to give up a piece of the pie so someone else can have more!”
Is she totally nuts? She is a socialist! I’ve given enough to the government. I don’t want to give any more. I want my slice of the pie!
VOTE HILLARY 2008!
Posted by: AMERICANPIE | Apr 10, 2008 7:12:00 PM
"ONE PERSON" did NOT strip Florida and Michigan of their voting rights;
The DNC did that.
And I don't have all the answers.. which is why I call self "Questioner"...
But if I were to hazard a guess, I'd say that Hillary needs Ickes to gather up some superdelegates; she sure isn't etting much assistance from the media, is she?
Posted by: questioner | Apr 10, 2008 7:05:56 PM
"Muslim Americans for Obama 08" features the masthead comment, "DONATE TODAY: One $1 DOLLAR for ONE NATION UNDER GOD"
In case there is any doubt as to which "God" these folks are speaking of, the first two paragraphs make it abundantly clear.
With God's Name ~ Quran 49:13 Oh Mankind! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that you may know one another. The best of you, in the sight of God, is the best in conduct. Allah is the best knower, aware.
As Salaam Alaikum, (The Peace of God Be Upon You) and welcome to Muslim Americans for Obama'08.
“Muslim Americans for Obama ’08,” proposes installing Muslim prayer areas in public places and giving Muslims time off for prayer and has denounced Obama’s colleagues in the U.S. Senate who happen to be Jewish.
Posted by: hooper dooper | Apr 10, 2008 7:05:05 PM
CNN headline: McCain erases Obama lead, poll says
(it's the AP Ipsos poll that shows a tie between McCain and Obama in the GE)
I personally think we (that is, the Democrats) will need more of these headlines. There's no doubt in my mind: as soon people actually are foreseeing 4 more more years of GOP politics devastating our great country and our fellow Americans' lives in the Iraq war, a large majority - angry and disappointed Hillary supporters first - will seriously start to think twice about NOT voting for the Dem candidate who'll happen to be Obama.
So let's hope for a McCain surge in the polls in the months to come... we'll see a dramatic turn of the tide, and I foresee a VERY convincing win for BO in the GE.
And True Truth, you write "show Americans how Obama can beat McCain with his less white supports, least experience, and questionable race issue..." I'd say he already has proven that he is a GREAT winner by demolishing the Clinton Machine that has always been too powerful for the GOP. If he can beat the very strong Clinton, he SURELY can beat the very weak McCain, IMO.
Posted by: ken | Apr 10, 2008 7:03:22 PM
I turned on MSNBC regarding the questioning of General Petraeus and the analysts seemed to agree that Hillary Clinton was the best of the three senators running for president in her questioning of Petraeus.
Hillary took command of the issues and came across most effectively. I think Chris Matthews may have even got an “Obama tingling up his leg.” Something rubbed me wrong the way Obama cross-examined the general. The general is not our enemy and the questions that Hillary asked were on the mark and could possibly lead to reconciliation to the point we would get the hell out of Iraq.
Obama may be aces at being a prosecutor but he just doesn't have what it takes to be a commander in chief. The commander in chief should be selected --- not as in a popularity contest or a reality show!
Hillary 2008!
Posted by: 1VOTE | Apr 10, 2008 7:03:00 PM
to Julescator- as a native Pennsylvanian I would like to tell you you don't know what you're talking about. I will match my education against yours anyday. Have you heard about Pitt and CMU. I didn't get my education from one of those online degree places. For your info, CMU is the place where Michelle Obama was looking for more white people
Posted by: Lee | Apr 10, 2008 7:02:09 PM
In three months Barrack's campaign has gone from describing the U.S. presidential hopeful as never having been a Muslim and never having been raised as a Muslim to now having never having been a practicing Muslim.
Posted by: hooper dooper | Apr 10, 2008 6:56:19 PM
Obama threw his "typical white grandmother" under the bus --- to keep attention away from his radical mentor, Jeremiah Wright.
Now, he has given his grandmother a 3-second spot on his latest ad. Once, that runs and he no longer needs her --- I suppose he'll throw his "typical white grandmother" back under the bus!
Posted by: Concerned American | Apr 10, 2008 6:55:27 PM
din seattle:
so give me some really enlightened
examples of how B O sets an example?
(but you have to back them with
f a c t s.)
Posted by: questioner | Apr 10, 2008 6:44:10 PM
Ken,
You are doing your math...
SD will look at a bigger picture and where to draw the line...
The key question SD will ask themselve is that who will be the best to beat McCain in Nov...
So show American how Obama can beat McCain with his less white supports, least experience, and questionable race issue...
Posted by: True Truth | Apr 10, 2008 6:41:01 PM
PUTIN IS ON THE PHONE? TELL THAT BRO TO WAIT A MINUTE, UNTIL I CAN STOP STUTTERING. WHAT? NUCLEAR MISSLES HEADED THIS WAY? TELL HIM I HAVE A PLAN FOR HOPE AND CHANGE, AND I'LL GET BACK TO HIM AS SOON AS I FIGURE IT OUT!
Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | Apr 10, 2008 6:40:00 PM
- Clinton LIES.
- Clinton DIVIDES everyone for the smallest reasons. "Divide & Conquer" could have been spoken by Clintons.
- Clintons want CONTROL, status, MONEY, limelight.
- Clinton only makes you feel important if you can benefit her. She has no time to spend on the grass roots. It's all for strategic political positioning.
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McCain is old and confused; needs to prove his military bravado; is disrespectful. He's getting senile.
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- Obama UNITES, inspires, motivates.
- Obama leads by example.
- Obama is not perfect but is on a mission to SERVE the American people, not control them.
- Obama is brilliant, sensible, even tempered, respectful, compassionate, forgiving.
- Obama runs a lean, mean, well funded machine because he is for grass roots people; "ground up", bottom level.
- Obama makes everyone feel relevant. That's why, for the first time since jfk, a candidate makes us see possibilities and reach for them! We will rally behind Obama & do the work that is required to bring about CHANGE.
Posted by: DinSeattle | Apr 10, 2008 6:37:52 PM
WOW - I stumbled into the uneducated, blue collar PA/OH bunch. How do you people live with the hatred of Blacks. I really feel sorry for you. I hope you get some education soon. If I were you I too would be afraid of a Brillant, Charismatic, Charming Black guy when you look at the alternatives we have to vote for. A lunatic lying woman or an old fool who had 20 hours of combat and calls himself a "war hero" lol lol
Posted by: Julescator | Apr 10, 2008 6:37:19 PM
MY WIFEY WAS JUST TRYING TO SAY, SHE WOULD ONLY BE PROUD OF AMERICA IF GOOD OLE BUCKY WAS ELECTED PREZ. NOW DON'T BOTHER ME ASKING ABOUT ISSUES ANYMORE. (yes but mister president, it's time for the State of the Union Address). WELL, JUST RUN THAT HOPE AND CHANGE CAMPAIGN SPEECH BY THOSE SUCKERS AGAIN.
Posted by: Chapman | Apr 10, 2008 6:35:08 PM
dl,
The problem is that if Obama can not win white votes during his own primarier, how can he win over white votes in G.E.??
Reps will be much more racial and more white people will b against Obama...
So without support from white votes, Obama can't win G.E.? It doesn't know if he can get enough support from Latinos, Asians or Jewish...
Posted by: True Truth | Apr 10, 2008 6:35:08 PM
True Truth,
it seems the only thing you do here is repeating Wolfson's talking points and spins.
Obama does not need to win PA to 'prove' he can win the GE. Bob Casey just explained above why that is nonsense. Two weeks ago over at Hillary's official blog they were discussing the possibility of Hillary winning 85% of the PA vote.... LOL.
If her win will be a single digit, it'll go against everything the HRC campaign has foreseen about PA. Remember them complaining only recently that Obama was 'skipping' the state?
She had a 20+ lead, the RCP average today is +7,8 for Clinton. Not bad, but for Clinton certainly not good enough; remember, it's about the popular vote for her. PA is her main resource, and it's drying up quickly. She'll have NO argument (according to Murtha a.o.) to ask the SD's to go her way.
Posted by: ken | Apr 10, 2008 6:34:49 PM
Jan...
Oh Yes I Do!
You don't have to be black to find yourself in that predicament!
And that's just one of the reasons I favor Hillary. Her goal is to provide better schooling for the 14 year old, and health care and pre-school for the baby.
She has already gotten health care for 6,000,000 children ..... and is fighting for everyone to be covered!
What has Obama really accomplished?
He is so focused on himself, he could not even take the time off from campaining to show up at the recent memorial ceremonies for Martin Luther King!
Don't vote for or against him because of his color... but don't expect to get anything out of him just because you're black.
Ask the Chicagoans who froze in Rezko's tenements during Obama's watch because the money for heat was instead handed over to him.
Ask his polical contenders in Chicago who were eliminated from the slate by his shady, underhanded maneuvers.
The only thing that's changed here is the size of the arena. Obama has not changed!!
You know what happens to teflon when it begins to peel....? The cracks and the crud are beginning to come through!
Vote for whom you want, but Barfy will NEVER get my vote!!!!
GIVE 'EM HELL, HILLARY!!!
Posted by: questioner | Apr 10, 2008 6:31:47 PM
true truth
the primary has nothing to do with the general...nothing absolutlel nothing!
One more time it is comparing apples and oranges... it's like two colors of blue competing against each other and then havign them compete against red.
the only time primaries make a difference are when they have HUGE margins...above 15%.
That is actually the complete truth...
especially primaries where you have minimal wins... which in most cases that is what Hillary has gotten in the states she has won...
Posted by: dl | Apr 10, 2008 6:28:50 PM
You gotta' love how Clinton's endorser gets 0 scrutiny & the first thing out the gate they paint Casey (Obama's endorser) as deceptive (who had said he'd remain neutral). When will the MSM come out & ask the Clinton campaign for a response on the fact that Wright was invited to the Whitehouse to help absolve Billy boy on the Lewinsky affair??? Why is it that not one of the Clinton supporters will even address that issue??? Wright was just fine to support Bill but once he's found to be supporting Obama he is all of a sudden the anti-Christ??? Come on people get a clue... Do we really have to ignore the fact that the Clinton campaign has imploded multiple times while we wait for & assist in the implosion of Obama's campaign???
Obama has answered & continues to answer every question asked on the subject (which he should).
He really deserves credit for handling an explosive issue with poise & grace & honesty.
Posted by: Chapman | Apr 10, 2008 6:26:13 PM
Every votes has his/her own right to vote for what he/she believe in...
Passion to his/her candidate is well admired and it proves a lot of people like to involve the democracy.....
Whether obama can win the majority of American, the Penn will be a good test. If he can win, he will be next president. If he can't, then it just proves he can't get enough white votes to support him...
When Obama faces Reps, it will be worse because the race issue will definitely be one of dominant issues to him....Not mentioning his least experience...
Posted by: True Truth | Apr 10, 2008 6:22:11 PM
William Ayers, people…William Ayers!
Someone aspiring to the Presidency of the United States does not nurture an ongoing personal and professional relationship with a known and unrepentant domestic terrorist. Let alone sit in that church listening to that garbage for 20 years. He's unfit to command and will bring ruin to our party in November.
Posted by: oldspice | Apr 10, 2008 6:14:30 PM
There are pleny of dillusional democrats who will disagree with Casey and rather listen to a Negative person like Rush Limbaugh and nominate Hillary so that Rush's candidate McCain can have a easier win.....
Now decide what kind of democrat are you and dedice.
Posted by: moeen | Apr 10, 2008 6:13:53 PM
I will support whomever earns the nomination. I will support whomever finishes the Primary with the pledged delegate lead. If the pubas decide this thing in Hillary's favor if she ends up trailing by 120 delegates, what do you think will happen? Hillary supporters will not be too mad when Obama wins because deep in their hearts, they will know that he EARNED it. When Bush beat Kerry, i was disappointed but not mad because unlike 2000, he EARNED it.
Posted by: Kevin | Apr 10, 2008 6:09:40 PM
With regard to the controversy, I know two things," Casey said, "I know Sen. Obama’s heart and his character..."
Isn't that what Bush said about Vlad Putin?
Colin Powell claims that a man with inexperience can be President if he surrounds himself with the right people? Isn't that what the Republicans claimed about Bush?
How many of you have had the experience of having a company you worked your whole life for taken over by the Ivy League "I'm a manager so I can manage anything" types? These are the kids who take over the company then start the outsourcing, then they bail with a golden parachute in search of their next prey.
Well, ask around Illinois, and you find out that is precisely what Barack Obama did to them. If that is the character you see, Casey, you are not doing your constituents any favors. If that is not what you see, then you aren't doing your homework.
Either way, the voters should be rather suspicious of your support for Obama.
Posted by: len | Apr 10, 2008 6:09:31 PM
dl - Who's chances are better in the general? Heck, PA is still a lifetime away and the general looks like eternity from here. Furthermore, the world refuses to stand still and wait for this thing to play itself out so who knows what tomorrow or next day will bring? Let alone months from now.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | Apr 10, 2008 6:06:33 PM
It's too bad that "us clinton supporters" see themselves as so supreme that they would desert their party and the troops by trying to elect John McCain in November! Shame!
Thankfully, enough of the voting public does not follow the Clinton Coronation Manual, and will think for themselves in determining if they want another four years of the Bush economy and Bush War!
Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!
Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | Apr 10, 2008 6:06:22 PM
Dogsoldier
You say now that if Obama wins, you will not vote for him. I assure you, if you are a true Democrat, you will feel differently when this race is over. Right now you are just pissed because your candidate is losing. But if the Democrats steal this nomination from Obama, then the party is toast. If Hillary wants to win this thing, she has to find a way to win it fair and square. No backroom deals. The Obama supporters are not mad right now because we are ahead and chilling. But if we smell any shenanigans, even a toad running on the Republican platform will beat Hillary in November. The nominee has to EARN the nomination. Plain and simple. Not steal it.
Posted by: Kevin | Apr 10, 2008 6:05:49 PM
Hillary supporters you may be wasting your time. I hope you realize that in nearly every country outside of usa, Obama has millions of followers than any other candidate, infact near nil unless by obligation of some sort. Why? because Obama is the BEST not only for America but the world. Obama is the leader the world needs and we wait to join in a HUGE worldwide celebration of hope,joy and peace for all.
Have you all listen to Obama's speeches. Aren't they eloquent, facts, gives one hope and brings many to tears because they come from the HEART. You must have noticed the many differences from the others.
Thankyou Senator Casey for your support for the only Obama
Posted by: pana | Apr 10, 2008 6:04:06 PM
@Dogsoldier
"this has to be a MAJOR headache for democrats whatever side you happen to be on today."
might be true or not, but that's how things stand today. One thing however is for sure: if the SD's would all decide to go for Hillary, the disaster would be even more complete. Obama still represents the majority of the Dem voters in the primaries, remember?
Posted by: ken | Apr 10, 2008 6:03:42 PM
Dogsoldier
I agree and the longer this goes on the worse it's going to get...
My point is she had a very small window to win anyway (half of America didn't like her even "personally" and over half doesn't trust her.
She had a very low ceiling to win...and now this election has brought both their ceilings down...luckily Obama's was much higher...consistently on both candidates.
So if you are going to look at statistically who has the better shot on this issue...dare I say much better shot. It's Obama hands down.
Posted by: dl | Apr 10, 2008 6:01:54 PM