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I was wondering why in the world ABC does not let their correspondents wear the American Flag lapel pin when they do allow them to wear ribbons for other causes such as cancer awareness of all kinds. Americanism is on the decline with rules such as yours. We are being tethered by our own justices for fear of offending others. We have our own serfvices persons going to fight for this country to protect and serve and sacrificing to the utmost. If you want to live under those kind circumstances,then be my guest and go where freedom of choices such as a free mind is limited.We do live in the greatest nation on God's earth-or am I not supposed to mention God either? That is a big Contriversable also.
I am giving my full name as I am not ashamed to be an American. As one of seven in my family who have worn a uniform of the U.S and proudly wear a U.S Flag pin whenever I can. I do salute it. Our colors do not run.
Thanks for letting me bend your ear(maybe)My comments may end up in the scrap heap, but I've had my say.

I think we all know how Hillary and McCain stand on patriotism and know for sure they are for the United States. That is why it doesn't bother me they don't wear the Flag pin. So the woman had a right to ask Obama about his love for the United States because she wasn't sure of it. we already know how Hillary and McCain Stand, No one needs to question that.

Gumby:

1796 Treaty with Tripoli

John Adams -- 2nd President of the US

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahomedan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

This country is not about a flag pin; it’s not about a flag; it is more about a citizens right to burn that flag in protest. Anyone who thinks wearing a flag pin makes them patriotic is sick. It’s like a baby that cries, not because it’s hurts, but because it wants others to think it hurts. This country is about the right of a person to get up and put forth an opinion that others might totally disagree with, and you have the right to protest it . That is what America is about, that is what we should celebrate. Our military fights for our Constitutional right to burn that flag if we wish. It’s called freedom of speech. The right to express ourselves any way we wish.

At the risk of repeating myself, again. If the American people want to see Obama wear a flag pin, why doesn;t he just DO IT. I'll tell you why, because he doesn't CARE about what the american people think or feel. He is acting like a stubborn 2 year old digging his heels in the sand at the playground. He is being defiant. With his behavior about the flag pin, he may just as well put his fingers in his ears and scream, na, na, na, na,. I won't wear the pin and you can;t make me.

Stop drinking the cool-aid. You saw with your own eyes how Sen. Obama fumbling, looking tired, worn out. He was out of his element without a teleprompter and friendly media adoration. So he struggled like a fish out of water. The thought crossed your mind─ during the Tuesday night debate─ can Barack Obama be even worse than George Bush─ if elected president? We all asked the question, what happened? What happened was that on Tuesday night Sen. Obama got treated like a front runner─ that’s was all. What Charley Gibson and George Stephanopoulos did was just that; and nothing else. During the course of the debate Sen. Obama appeared frazzled and weaker than ever? How can this fumbling man take on the responsibility of two raging wars, devastated economy, and a long list of gargantuan issues from education to immigration, infrastructure and transportation, health crisis, pensions and social security, energy costs and so on and on, how can he shoulder all the heavy duty rigors of the presidency and besides, you watched him in utter dismay that he was even stretching himself even more thin, as he kept promising to “cleanup Washington.” (While his campaign is planning a discreet fund raiser by Murdoch family in Nottinghill, London hosted by Elizabeth Murdoch.) Tuesday night Sen. Obama became a like any other "ordinary" politician. It was tragic fall, for Sen. Obama, as David Brooks of the New York Times pointed out for a man who started his campaign as a transcendent figure, but on Tuesday night we watched with utter horror, Sen. Obama slipping over the existential edge.

Under Bill Clinton, the S&P 500 returned 210%. Under George Bush the S&P500 has returned 3%.

Do we really want another four years of Bush economics under John McCain?

Shame on ABC news for trying to pin the flag pin issue on Obama when NO ONE ON THE STAGE was wearing a flag pin... not Hillary, not Stepho or Charlie Gibson, and most especially, the nitwit that asked teh question. Exactly WHO are the hypocrites here?

I cant believe that you all think it was about wearing a flag pin. The lady was questioning Obamas patrionism. Its not so much wearing the flag as honoring it for what it stands for. I still get tears in my eyes when the National Anthem is played. Wanting to be President of the United States but not honoring her is a thing that scares the hell out of me.And by the way it's GOD BLESS AMERICA. And damn proud of it.

The broadcast of that debate had me so angry that I refused to listen to Jake Tapper at the end because people who have failed miserably do not recognize or own up to their failures witness this posting. This is what GWB has been doing for eight years, denying poor results.

Make decisions on a superficial basis and you get the most superficial candidate rising to the top.

McCabe was chosen by ABC because they knew she would ask the question she did.

Guys get real. If only a flag pin can measure your level of patriotism, how about Mr.Bush? Is he patriotic? He has done such an irreparable damage to US. You are guys are out of your mind. This is exactly the kind of politics that Obama intend to change and we all hope that happens.

Kids learn patriotism in elementary school when they say the pledge/moment of silence....If a kid went to elementary in Indonesia, and was not saying the pledge in his formative years, why do you think he would be patriotic now UNLESS it served his purpose.

Here's the big question about Obama.....what must be the size of his ego for him to believe that at the tender age of 46, with TWO years experience in politics at the national level, that he is anywhere near qualified to become the most powerful person in the world?

i see the american sheeple again miss the point. where is the discussion about ABC seeking this lady out & planting her in the audience.

ABC didn't let an average citizen ask a question. ABC already knew what question they wanted, the just sought out someone they knew would do their dity work...

also,how silly do some of you look putting so much importance on a flag pin made in china?

This is all such B S...
Hillary DOESN'T wear a flag pin!
Check the pins on the so called Patriotic Folks, were they made in a union shop in America or some little chinese sweat shop?
I don't wear one, do you?
Let's concentrate on $4.00 gas, unemployment, two wars and our NEW homeless issues. Let's work on bringing America back to a true world power before we all have to hock our flag pins for a bowl of soup!

The point is, not because he does not wear the pin but why he refused to wear for over 6 years until 2 days ago.
The other thing is more important than wearing the pin is why he did not pledge at the ceremony.

I believe all Americans are patriotic by default until their actions prove otherwise.

This woman FIRST appeared in a New York Times story and now she shows up to ask a question on ABC's nationally televised debate. Coincidence? I think NOT. ABC obviously sought this woman out in order to have her ask Obama about flag lapel pins, a fake issue if there ever was one. Yesterday we found out that Stephanopolous got one of his questions from rightwing world's Sean Hannity. What new revelations about ABC's disgusting tactics will we find out about tomorrow?

Well, that is why Republicans win elections.

This woman shouldn't be so bitter and cling to issues such as FLAG PINS!

Running for the top position in government is pretty patriotic too me!!

Oh, geevil, you're just so sad.

There's nothing unpatriotic about not wearing a flag pin, and there's nothing particularly patriotic about it, either -- particularly for politicians for some of whom it seems to have become an accessory that is not matched by their own voting/policy history.

An individual's vote is certainly subject to many different factors. For some of us, we put a great deal of thought into our vote, looking at many issues and following things closely for many months.

For other, the vote may come down to one issue: whether they wear a flag pin; the color of their skin; their gender; their eye color; the color of their hair... I could go on and on.

It' unfortunate that this woman, who has so many reasons to want change in Washington and PA, has clung to the flag issue as the turning point for her vote.

Should the MSM be giving her "15 minutes of fame"? I wonder! What will the rest of us learn from this?

Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!

This is not a Christian nation.

It may say it is, but it isn't. Sorry -the bar is pretty high to give yourself that title, requires not supporting torture or capital punishment. Or similar, un-Christ like teachings.

Sorry!

I think it is silly. People want to play a game of "I'm the most patriotic". "I'm the most Christian". Silly and really we have bigger fish to fry.

And let me address the point that is surely coming from the Republicans and Hillary supporters - that, as an Obama supporter, I am an elitist.

I will just say that I live my life and make personal and family decisions based on what impacts me. I vote for people who will get things done that will impact me favorably.

I concentrate on what matters and generally make good decisions. Ms. McCabe concerns herself with trivia, votes against her interests, and makes bad decisions. And that is why I am where I am, and why she is where she is. She's in debt, on welfare, a total charity case who unable AND unwilling to work (no Burger King in Latrobe?).

I am happy to pay the taxes that enable her to carry on. But it is tough to know that this woman is an enemny of many of my core interests, and uses the money that we taxpayers GIVE to her to stick her face in front of every camera or microphone in the state.

I know there is a Wendy's in Latrobe.

I too am wondering why the imprtance of a lapel pin? Do you see all people that go to church wearing a cross, that does not mean they are not Christians. I think we have taken the important issues off the table and need to get down to the business of who will be the best president and I choose Obama. The republicans just care about them selves. Ask Hillary about her picture with the Rev.Wright. She will come up with some story like the Bosnia deal. Or ask her about whitewater.As a Christian nation I think we should start acting like one.

From Talking Points Memo

Well, it turns out TPM Reader JL did give it some thought. And he came up with something very interesting (see JL's post at the DrexelDems blog). He did a little googling and found out Nash is pretty popular with the traveling press now in Pennsylvania. It turns out McCabe was featured in an April 4th story in the Times which begins like this ...

Ask whom she might vote for in the coming presidential primary election and Nash McCabe, 52, seems almost relieved to be able to unpack the dossier she has been collecting in her head.
It is not about whom she likes, but more a bill of particulars about why she cannot vote for Senator Barack Obama of Illinois.

"How can I vote for a president who won't wear a flag pin?" Mrs. McCabe, a recently unemployed clerk typist, said in a booth at the Valley Dairy luncheonette in this quiet, small city in western Pennsylvania.

Mr. Obama has said patriotism is about ideas, not flag pins.

"I watch him on TV," Mrs. McCabe said. "I keep looking for that lapel pin."

Now, it does seem like McCabe is not a fan of Sen. Obama's. And I think we can assume that it's not a coincidence that McCabe managed to show up featured in the Times and also as the sole outside questioner in the ABC debate. Presumably, a researcher for ABC or Gibson saw the piece in the Times, figured, hey, this lady hates Obama and is seriously ginned up about the lapel issue. Let's send a camera crew and film her slamming Obama to his face. It'll be great in the debate.

If you have on two flag lapel pins, does that make you twice the American? Just a thought. Can not believe this is an issue with the shape the United States is in!!

Eloquently put Marie. I guess I've run out of sympathy. Her comportment, both on TV and in the NY Times, showed an aggressive perspective on her part. I'm tired of coddling and cajoling. It's not nice, but she's stupid. She's a grown woman who is free to make her own decisions. In this instance, her decision was bereft of thought.

The vote GOP til they die. Always have, always will. Ever since the Union Hall got replaced by the evangelical church as the center of their towns.

These people know the GOP screws them, but they vote for them because they equate Democrats with cities and...gasp...black people.

Those are the dynamics of this state - I have lived here all my life.

They see Democrats and cities as havens for black welfare recipients, who take all their taxes.

Amazingly, this attitude persists - even now that a lot of these people no longer hold down any jobs at all and pay no taxes. They are OK taking welfare, they just don't want to pay taxes to fuind such relief efforts.

In sum, they want a free ride. As long as black people aren't allowed on it.

How very Republican!

These people have been left behind, and that is sad. But they were complicit in their own demise.

This proves Obama's point. Here, you have someone who was forgotten by the government, and what does she worry about? A flag lapel. This is what the Lee Atwaters and Karl Roves done to people.

I truly have deep sympathy for Mrs. McCabe and her husband. She is one of the 'bitter' people Obama was talking about, & her full story makes it clear why she has a right to be bitter.

She has been ignored by the current administration & she was ignored by the Clinton administration. This is a woman who should be desperate for change -- anybody but the teams of phonies who allowed her to slip into her hard times.

Unfortunately, just as Obama implied, Mrs. McCabe has let her bitterness cause her to displace her own interests & focus on a totally inconsequential dress code, a code which, by the way, neither Obama's primary opponent nor his inquisitors abided by either.

Nobody knows if Obama will really be able to deliver for people like Mrs. McCabe, but one thing experience has taught us: McCain & Clinton definitely will not. Both McCain & Clinton have proved they forget all about the Mrs. McCabes after the election is over. (Clinton's record for 'helping' New York state is abysmal.)

Mrs. McCabe's fears have turned her into a catatonic voter -- one who knows the old guard won't work for her but is afraid to try a new one that might. I hope her friends & neighbors can explain this to her, because she needs help, not snide or belittling remarks.

Obama is making fun of a voter when she asked her question. I guess he makes fun of all voters that might question him, if he does not like the question. Reminds me of Georgie Bushie.

As a Pennsylvania tax payer who has been bank-rolling this woman and her husband's life since neither hold down jobs, I have to tell you I am thrilled to have her asking about the pin.

Because why would someone who is no doubt deep in debt because of medical bills, who is unemployed, and who has no hope of a better life care about things like health care or jobs.

She doesn't care because she is making me pay for it all.

And ABC actively sought her out for the "random question" since she has been featured in other media commenting on this same issue. I guess she has plenty of time to comment on nonsense since she doesn't work.

Ya gotta have pride to be a Republican!

Nobody has explained how the wearing of an artifact, a piece of jewelry, provides insight into how someone will govern this country. I'm not attacking this lady because I'm an Obama supporter, I'm attacking her because I'm a supporter for rational intelligence and I want America to be a country of rational and intelligent people. We seem determined to NOT be that. As I said, her question provided NO illumination about how HER life would be impacted by an Obama presidency. Patriotism is about acts, not symbols. She could've asked: "Senator Obama, can you explain the actions you've taken over your career that demonstrate your love of this country and your patriotism?" That is clearly a more intelligent question that would yield more useful information.

Flag pin? Why is this a salient question in a presidential debate? Why are we distracted by a fashion accessory when there are substantive issues that go begging? Indeed, whence the criteria for a flag pin determining one's patriotism?

In that first 40 minutes ABC reached a new nadir in presidential debates.

It was Senator Obama that started this issue. This lady, a citizen wanted to know why.
Some people deserve to wear flag pins, some do not.

Some obama supporters are becoming really scary. Pretty much acting like cult members. Attacking this woman for asking a simple question. This was a softball that obama should hit out of the park. It has been an issue a long time. What's wrong? his speech writers could not come up with a great answer. NO THEY couldn't, because they do not understand or relate to patriotic Americans. They are comfortable hanging out with the Wright and Ayres.

Russell, I think you're saying that while you're a Clinton supporter, if she doesn't win, you'd rather have McCain in office. Is that correct? This means that by your estimation, McCain aligns more closely to Clinton on policy issues than Obama? Is that correct? You also seem to be saying that working class people care more about some ephemeral "love America" quality than things like minimum wage requirements, health care, and effective schools. I think someone who actually helps the "working class" experience a higher quality of life here in America demonstrates love for the country.

Elitistunite! Your attitued is stupid not her question! That's why Obama will never win working class voters and wil lose in November! So we will get our revenge by voting for McCain a man who loves america and is not ashamed to show it! Go ahead and call people names it say more about you than it does her!

Of course she has the "right" to ask. However, that in no way makes the question and her asking it NOT stupid. You and I have the right repeatedly bash our heads against walls. We have the freedom to do so (cue waves of amber grain). That said, it would still be dumb. ABC's decisions are a completely separate matter. In this instance, Ms. McCabe made an un-intelligent decision to ask that question. Maybe in other parts of her life she's not stupid. But in this part, she's stupid.

Roxanne: You and Obama are Cultural Bigots! I guess that blacks who support Obama all love chicken and watermellon too! With all of her problems I bet you would have been more satisfied if she aske Hillary about Bosnia! What has that got to do with any of her problems?

Elitesunite! ABC could have used it or they could have used another one! They decided what would be ask and what would be shown! She has a right to ask anything she wishes! You and Obama just don't get it!

Yes, but who was that "smart" reporter who chose that question of all possible questions, or even in conversation with her did not ask her if she had other concerns?

Some people are poster children for the Nation of Islam.

Russell, she is stupid for asking that question. It's not a subjective thing. She was given a forum to ask a question to a potential president of the United States and she chose to ask something that illuminates NOTHING about how that person will govern. An Obama presidency adorned with a lapel pin would be EXACTLY the same as an Obama presidency sans lapel pin. So, she knows nothing new about how such a potential presidency would impact her.

I have to go to work now. Got to make some reparation money if you know what I mean....
The NOI is calling Roxie, they don't like to be put on hold, sister.

Sterotype? That's the pot calling the kettle black. I hit the nail on the head, your just another ABF, just like Michelle.
It was pretty easy to spot, you people are so easy.

Another example of ABC media bias:

1) Clinton's questioner is a man who said he had supported her until the Bosnia flap and who asked her "How can you win my vote back?"

2) But ABC knowingly chose McCabe, who had already stated to the NY Times ten days ago that she would not vote for Obama and had never been a supporter.

As balance, ABC should have found someone who had supported Obama and now was going to Clinton.

Is it possible that it's hard to find anyone who would switch to Clinton from Obama ?? Maybe.

But ABC did readers a huge disservice in not balancing this issue.

She represents all that is inane, dumbed-down, and unsettling about our electorate. We fear people with good educations who don't drop their g's when speakin'. We are unable to think about character in a meaningful way. We are unable to even TRY to understand policy issues and the decisions that will ACTUALLY change lives. The vitriol addressed to Ms. McCabe is completely justified. If you care about a pin more than you care about education reform, health care reform, foreign policy, the economy, etc. ad infinitum, you're an idiot.

Crass language?

How about the rules of fair play? I'm being called names, being insulted, but not to worry;;;; I can dish it out too.

Can you handle it without your handbooks?

Vnd? You're not going to get a sense of someone's character by asking about a flag pin! Go and vote Republican again. It worked out so well for you the last time!

VAPID!

Observer,

Your crass language makes me feel that you and I would really never have a conversation generally speaking...Uninformed unsupported rheotoric...A college education may taught you how to critically think..might be worth considering..

It's not about the flag pin it is about the people who use to burn the flag and its more about how they want to take over the goverment they are the left of the left wing nuts who have been waiting a long time.Obama has been a long planned candidate.IMO

With all the personal hardships that she and her faimly have endured she is not bitter and still beleives in her country! This is what Obama can not understand that ones economic condition does not determine ones faith in God or Country! I am sure she is mad at times about her own personal problems but she still beleives that america is a great country and that we have the power to make it better for her and others like her! This is the values that small town america holds and what makes this country so great! If you travel around small town america you will see that those who are the most impoverished are the ones who fly the flag eveyday and go to church every sunday! Obama and limo liberals just don't get it!

With this country in a war we cannot win, gas prices sky rocketing, people losing their jobs and their homes, the dollar losing value, citizens with no health insurance, a 9 trillion dollar national debt, corruption in our government and people are concerned with a flag pin. Are they really or is it the media?

The flag pin is a symbol. It is an outward reflection of what is suppose to be in our hearts. Are people who wear flag pins more patriotic than those who do not? Maybe, maybe not. Actions should speak louder than symbols.

Were the commentators wearing flag pins? I did not see Senator Clinton wearing one and her patriotism is not questioned.

What has Barack Obama done to have his patriotism questioned?

Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.
I Samuel 16:7

Observer! Oprah? How did we get to Oprah? If we're going to start comparing celebrity supporters, tell me, what do the folks in Pennsylvania think of Hillary on stage at Madison Square Garden with her pal Elton John who said that Americans are misogynistic? I'll wait while you go look up that word tiny tim!

Just to be sure I am patriotic but I would never put any pin be it the flag pin or a decorative pin on my dress, I do not need all that pin marks left behind, so I really could care less about a pin.

I think it was important in the debate to ask questions about the character of candidates. Character is as important as position on issues to me. What Obama wants to do is avoid character issues and instead keep giving us the same old rhetoric about change, and fortunately Charles and George did not let me do that during the first segment of the debate.

Careful roxzan, you have some freudien flips on your post.Get your mind out of the gutter and stay on course.

What page of the "non-beleiver" hand book is that attack out of?
Someone sounds a little sexually frustrated there roxie girl. Why don't you take a few minutes in a nice hot bath with your.....

Wearing a flag pin does not amount to character. Also, why then is OBama the only one being grilled about a flag pin... I have never seen Hillary wear a flag pin. both George and Charlie did not have on flag-pins... what is going on here? My children and I dont have healthcare and it scares the hell out of me, can we get real issues discussed for God's sake !

I will wear one, why can't obama?

Did anyone notice that Hillary Clinton did not have a flag pin on at the debate? Look at the pictures.....both lapels are free of any flag lapel pin. Is this a male thing - only male candidates have to wear flag pins but not female canidates? If it was the other way around, Clinton would be screaming sexism!!!!!!!!!

It was not a trivial question. It goes to the heart of identity. That woman was not bitter or resentful. She wanted to know whether an aspirant to the highest office in the land deeply believes in its symbols.

WE support the war, our Veterans, waterboarding, and fighting for freeom and human rights.

You people burn flags and babble about sheets and "change". Nothing has changed you are the same counter culture hippies that were losers 30 years ago and still are.

I greatly appriciated the job that Stephanopoulos and Gibson did on the debate. The finally asked question that get to the character of the person. Questions that have to answered from the soul and not rehersed responses about the war, health care etc. I was disapointed the criticism that the host received for their questions in the debate. People need to start using their reasoning power and not just blindly accepting political promises that will not be kept.

I cannot believe that some people would spend so much time over a flag pin! You think its important to wear a flag pin, but how patriotic is it when you show division, racism, hatred among your fellow Americans? It is shameful how many hypocrits there are who's making a mockery of being Americans. I have not seen Hillary or McCain wearing pins, but you consistently make noise about Obama wearing a flag pin. Your double standards are sickening!. Now who is the real patriot?

I DON'T THINK THAT WEARING A FLAG PIN CAN MAKE YOU A TRUE PATRIOTIC.

John McCain is a war hero, you communist.
While you were taking hits out of a bong he was sitting in a concertration camp getting bamboo shoved up his fingernails.
You people make me sick

If anyone thinks the flag lapel is a legitimate issue, they should vote for John McCain, then sign up your children for military service to join our troops in the upcoming invasion of Iran. Americans are being killed because of pro-war decisions made by Mrs. Clinton and Mr. McCain, and both have taken positions that will push us towards war with Iran. If you want to torpedo the only anti-war candidate with this flag pin issue than back up that choice with your sons and daughters lives.

illustrative of one of the great things still about america, from the man/woman on the street to the rare journalist, you can ask a future president anything you want.

Observer,

About your comment on paid blogging, it clearly shows that you don't understand how inspired a lot of us have become with the candidacy of Barack Obama..that we would be passionate enough to go out and join our voices together to bring about a new day..as a common people..we feel empowered for once..

AND if might blow your mind, that we would simply express our opinions..

Little small town Americans the woman is not "bitter" or selfishly asking for a handout. She is asking for a President who loves America.

This is a woman that knows the importance of symbolism in leadership. It is the small symbols that indicate a mighty heart, or just the reverse.
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God bless the flag pin lady and her husband!
God bless America!
Clinton '08
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Obama only "Loves" this country when he is pressed by the PRESS.

Please look at his histroy of Associations and what he really believes.... ( not much as he still portays himself as a blank screen for us to project our own views---- what load of crock is that!?!)

Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Meeks, Farrakhan, and soon to be in the spotlight again------- Here's Auchi !

The issue is not so much that Obama decided to take off the American flag pin from his lapel, but more importantly when he did it - right after the trade towers were taken down. The weeks following that event flags were being raised everywhere in the free world. Patriotism had risen higher then I had seen it in my life time. And for Obama to remove his American flag from his lapel at that time was like he needed to show which side he was really on.

well all I have to say about this article
is If this ladies life has been and is as hard as you say.
the last thing she needs is to read or be told about this article.
I believe she had a right to ask any question she wanted to ask.
and for obama yesterday to be talking about it the way he did is insensitive
and it kinda proves the point he was making ast the sf closed door fundraiser. which he meant the first time he said it. and he does look down on people like her.

If Hillary is so smart why is she still married to that perpetual cheat? As a woman, I find women like her offensive. She's a door mat and he's been stepping on her for years. You can't have a President of the United States who doesn't have any SELF RESPECT! The woman who posted about him not winning her heart? This isn't the dating game. It's an election. It would appear that Obama was dead on when he said that these issues are used to distract you. We'll expect to see all of you down at the WELFARE OFFICE!

Bush is a terroist. He thinks it is OK to torture people, he thinks it is OK to invade another nation and kill people.

Why don't more people worry about Bush?

Sounds like she's had tough life. Of all the things, the flag pin, come one. Sounds like your problems will never be solved with that kind of attitude. George Bush wears a flag pin and he's a traitor, punishable by death!