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The Bill Comes Due

April 26, 2008 12:57 PM

Lots of talk about former President Bill Clinton these days.

Perhaps, as Bono once said, too much talk.

He is a force out there on the trail, as ABC News' Sarah Amos reports.

And yet . . .

House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., tells Fox News that “Many of the surrogates in the Clinton campaign of recent days have been saying things that have been angering African-American voters over again.

"I mean, who 'played the race card' on President Clinton?" Clyburn said, referring to comments made in an interview Clinton gave to WHYY-FM in Philadelphia and later denied making. "What does he mean by that unless he is trying to send some kind of signal on race?”

Clyburn, the highest-ranking African American in Congress, has remained neutral throughout this contest, but he has continually expressed concern about the tactics of the Clinton campaign.

"I am concerned … that the conduct of this campaign could very well make the nomination not worth having,” Clyburn told Fox. "“Our party is much bigger than Bill Clinton. It is much bigger than Sens. Clinton or Obama. It is a party that is here to serve the American people. … And I don’t want to see us conduct a campaign in such a way that it does irreparable harm to our being able to do that. When this campaign is over, if Hillary Clinton is the nominee, she cannot get elected president if 25 to 30 percent of black people vote for McCain. She is going to have … to have that same 92 percent of black people that Obama [has] now. And if [Obama] is the nominee, he is going to need her help and her husband’s help getting white voters that he is not now getting. And I don’t see how you can go back to these people and get them to vote for the nominee if you have done all these things and said all of these things about him during the campaign … because you are not going to be able to reverse field in the middle of general election."

The Wall Street Journal's Monica Langley today takes a look at what some "insiders" are calling the "Billification" of the campaign.

"Mr. Clinton has placed several of his own aides at headquarters, including his former lawyer and a bevy of strategists. Known as a bad loser, Mr. Clinton privately buttresses his wife's drive to push on, telling her, according to aides: 'We're not quitters.' On his own daily message calls, advisers say, he implores: 'We've got to take him on every time.' At the Clintons' Washington, D.C., home recently, these people say, he reviewed possible TV spots and told ad makers to be more hard-hitting, faster and harsher."

Langley says that Bill Clinton's "role has come at a cost -- to morale among some campaign staff, relations inside the Democratic Party and with African-American leaders, and in the view of some, his own legacy. He has lost considerable credibility with many party leaders, who, as 'superdelegates' to the party convention, will be crucial in determining who is the Democratic presidential nominee. ... 'Bill is blessed and cursed as a super-spouse," says one adviser. 'He can go off-message, but mostly he delivers big crowds and positive results. He's fully invested and involved every single day.'"

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There is a lot of talk about how Blacks should owe Bill Clinton our undivided loyalty and pay him homage for what he did for Blacks during his Presidency. Loyalty is something earned and something that has to be maintained. You can’t shake our hand one day and then slap us the next, and expect us to still be respect you. And even though, Bill has earned some of our loyalty, he did not maintain it, and insulted BOTH Blacks and WHITES, in South Carolina. It is a well known fact that the Clintons do NOT do anything unless it benefits them politically, so this may explain why Bill becomes so outraged when some of his pawns failed to play by his rules – but this is politics. So many of us refused to become pawns in this political game – this is our right.

Blacks are not so naïve that we will follow Bill Clinton blindly. If Bill Clinton was running for the presidency, then he would have our support, but Hillary isn’t Bill, and from her own admission they both have different policies and agendas (i.e. NAFTA). If Hillary is so much of a stronger candidate then there is absolutely no reason why her campaign should have gone negative, regardless or not if this is just old politics. In the beginning, I was originally a Hillary supporter only because of Bill, which was foolish, and naïve, but watching her campaign from the beginning, I started to realize that she isn’t Bill and started to question what makes her more qualified than Barack. Being privileged to Top Secret information doesn’t make you qualified to be president, which our current president has proven. And remember this; Hillary did NOT have any Security Clearance, when she was in the White House, so what information did Bill ILLEGALLY divulge to her. If her presidency is going to be a joint presidency that she will share with Bill, then is she really capable of running this country by herself. Hillary makes claims that she obtained all of this experience during Bill’s presidency but she fails to produce any concrete evidences (do your research).

So for the many of you who wonder why so many Blacks support Barack, the answer comes down to who we trust more. Barack and Hillary policies are extremely similar and both lack any tangible experience, like most presidential candidates. But Hillary had a chance to show us that she can make the right decision at the right time, but she failed to vote against the Iraq War Resolution or at least raise any issues about, and this wasn’t at 3am in the morning. So we question her judgment under pressure. So again it comes down to who we trust. I’ve done some research on both the Clintons and Obama and have found more troubling things about the Clintons than I found on Obama. So please, do your homework, and I promise you that you will start questioning her honesty much more than her experience or lack of.

The reality is that Whites have always had someone in the White House that represented them, so why shouldn’t we desire the same? And remember this last thing, it will not be Blacks that put Barack Obama, in the White House, because we see him as being black, but it will be Whites that put Barack in the White House because they do not see him as being that. This proves that there is HOPE and maybe, we as a country, will finally come together.

“There will probably always be racism, in this country (both Blacks and Whites), but that doesn’t mean that we cannot take a break from it, now and then.”

Posted by: Kevin | Apr 29, 2008 12:31:01 AM

To put your trust in a lier is like putting your hand in hot oil and expecting not to get burnt.

There is something wrong with anyone who would spend more on getting a job than it pays.

Change, Change, Change! Ya my pockets and the democrats speeches are full of the word. It would be real nice if maybe they said what they wanted to change and how they were going to do it.

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Posted by: SM White, Irvine, CA | Apr 28, 2008 7:08:46 PM

I think a lot of you have blinders on. Of course Hillary is winning the larger states, she has bill on her side. Without him, she is just "Hillary", a gold digger. Obama has stood toe to toe with the clinton dynasty and is not doing bad. The problem is that the people in North carolina and Indiana are getting doped. Obama is trying to tell the truth but no one wants to hear it. Well, just listen to lying Hillary, who will ly at all cost. She hasn't paid her bills to date. She changes people who don't agree with her. It is laughable that she calls Obama an elistist when the clintons are banking 120 million in profit. Take off the blinders people so you can see the real Clintons.

Posted by: Priscilla | Apr 28, 2008 6:59:06 PM

Being a White older man,I got a question?

If you'd take a 2 year old Black Boy and a 2 year old White Boy in a room of toys together, would they get along? I believe they'd play together....And if they grew up they'd proably be friends! Only way they would fight is if Hatred was taught to either before hand!Children of all nationalities don't have a natural hate attitude unless they were taught that!And unfortunately I think that is what a majority of the problems in this world is about!

Posted by: Ed | Apr 28, 2008 6:20:09 PM

James Clyburn needs to shut his mouth and quit making inane statements about race as a way to gain air time to campaign for Obama. He is so transparent. Only the Obama crazed media would fall for his ramblings and try to pass them off to the public as "news".

Posted by: barb | Apr 28, 2008 5:21:48 PM

Helen- Your aassertion that polls show that people perceive Hillary as more trustworthy than Obama is not true. Gallop poll showed that "Hillary Clinton is rated as "honest and trustworthy" by 44% of Americans, far fewer than say this about John McCain (67%) and Barack Obama (63%)". I don't know which poll you got your information from but the ones I saw said just the opposite. Who was your souces on that or was it your perception? I would like to know so I can check it out.

Posted by: Gretchenmom | Apr 28, 2008 5:09:05 PM

Clyburn needs to shut up as well as Wright. Thes people are a discrage to all Americans and uses racial against black as an Excuse. This recial thing has been abuse and misused for their own interest to get away from responsibility.

Wright gave a long speech (I mean church sermon) last Sunday to see how good their church is. But that is not the issue. The issue is that both of them LIED and trying to mislead again the American people by saying good things. You can not fool the Americans. He said that Black preacher shouts when they preach. There is nothing wrong with shouting when preaching. What is wrong is that he shouted and mocked the entire nation specifically after the 9/11 attack. He and Obama need to start taking responsibility for their bad actions. He also sad that Obama is just a politician. Wright is also politician by giving his speech (sermon I mean) to cover up the bad comments he made and actually just justifying his mistakes and used the racial card as an EXCUSE. Being racial to African Americans are being overused, misused and is an EXCUSE for their personal interest. Really bad!!!

You and Obama lied and does not take responsibility of what you said. Instead you both make reason to justify you irresponsible and very degrading comments. You both mocked the Americans. Being bias to African American has been overused, misused and used as an EXCUSE so that theyt can get away from their bad actions/behavior. You can not fool America this time.

Beware North Carolinians and Indianians….Obama lied and just a Politician.

Mr. Wright, CNN interview, said Obama condemned his comments about american because Obama is a Politician. Yeah right, Obama wants to get away with it condemning Wirght's comments to get oput of trouble and still fool the Americans and the younger voters. Good job lying Obama. You don't tale responsibility for your action. You are a disgrace for all North Carolinians and Indianians. What's new? Obama lied just like Wright, Rezco and Ayers and he will continue to lie and overspent the voter's money just to win but still the loser.

Richardson suddenly came out at CNN after Hillary won Pennsylvannia. Why are you afraid? Yes you are because f Hilalry wins your personal ambition and interest will disappear. Richardson cannot be trusted and a traitor. Don't vote for him when runs for a Senator. He belongs to Wright, Rezco and Ayer who join any group or fraternity where he will benefit and not the Americans.

Obama’s motto and theme should be Pay per Vote. Obama overspent in Pennsylvannia and still came out the loser.

Look at the facts as to how strong Hillary is:

Obama lost in Pennsylvannia in spite of endorsement by a Senator and overspending in ads, 5 to 1.

Obama lost in Texas and Ohio even overspending in ads and manipulating info in Ohio.

Obama lost in California even though Oprah, Maria Shriver, and Katherine Kennedy endorsed him.

Obama lost Massachusetts even though Kennedy and John Kerry endorsed him.

Hillary won the big states and has more electoral college votes to date than Obama that is crucial in November.

Obama lost the big states even though the media is most of the time unfair with Hillary and always positive to Obama.

Wake up superdelegates! You will make the right choice if you pick Hillary.

Obama mocked the Pennsylvannians and the entire nation, which is so irresponsible and very degrading to all Americans. He is just like Wright who mocked the Americans and like Rezco and Ayers who we can’t trust.

Before you can have CHANGE, we first need SOLUTIONS and that is HILLARY.

Wake up superdelegates!

Posted by: Alfredo | Apr 28, 2008 4:08:43 PM

I think Cheb was pointing out the focus Barack has given to ONLY his black heritage in the media coverage. For instance, his Kenya relatives were featured in the news, yet we are not seeing his white grandmother who raised him in the newscasts and media, although she lives in the US. He characterized her as 'ordinary white folk',and she contributed the max amount to his campaign. His book talks about his personal bio. It's not the family that's running for office, so I don't see an issue with this.

Posted by: Jilly | Apr 28, 2008 3:40:15 PM

Bill Clinton did alot for the US - peace, prosperity, plus fiscal responsibility with a balanced budget. Hillary will lead us to the next level. We can get there with Hillary 2008!

Posted by: Jilly | Apr 28, 2008 3:24:47 PM

No matter how media tries to twist, he still one of the best.

Posted by: He still one of the best | Apr 28, 2008 1:11:54 PM

To JKR; Good point! Well, it's coming up a contest in a state with a high African American population so time for the black politicians to make up some phoney race thing about Hillary Clinton. Trying to make Obama unelectable so she can run in 2012? Oh, yeah, go through this campaign hell just to keep Obama from winning so she can run in four years and then go through this hell again? If the African American community is dumb enough to swallow that whole, then I have no sympathy for them at all whatsoever! Fortunately, there have already been AA's saying that Clyburn is not authorized to speak for them. Clyburn, you can fool some of the people some of the time....but you can't fool the whole AA community all of the time. Bill Clinton has been working to restore housing destroyed by Katrina, getting cheap aids medications to underpreviliged countries and various other good works. I think he should be welcome anywhere in this country.

Posted by: jkr | Apr 27, 2008 6:10:13 PM

Posted by: irma | Apr 28, 2008 1:09:33 PM

Obama is the DIVIDER who kissed up to the Republican vote during the DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY for starters. When we voiced that we didn't like that, he had plenty of insults to fling at DEMOCRATS who supported Hillary. He isn't loyal to DEMOCRATS. He, like his kindred spirit; Wright, solely cares about his self promotion even if he has to demonize and divide us to do it. As long as there is a perceived "enemy" (people who support Hillary) against him, he apparently thinks that will get him into the Presidency.

Posted by: irma | Apr 28, 2008 12:53:22 PM

Hilliary can't win with him, and she certainly can't win without him, therfor, she CAN'T win! But if you want to divide the party and elect John McCain, just keep it up Bill and Hill. No wonder you were a "Goldwater girl", and Bill has always been more Republican than Democrat from the beginning. So I guess you really are working to elect John McCain. Strange bedfellows, indeed.

Posted by: Zdnet | Apr 28, 2008 12:41:37 PM

Look who's talking. He is the one playing the race card. He used the recial card again as an EXCUSE for his speech. There is nothing wrong witht eh Black church. What is wrong is you and Obama who keeps lying to the entire Americans.

Is this another Obama tactics. Latest Obama's tactic is to have give a long speech (of I mean church sermon) last Sunday to see how good their is. But that is not the issue. The issue is that both of them LIED adn trying to mislead again the American people saying good things. You can not fool the Americans. He said that Black preacher shouts when they preach. There is nothing wrong with shouting when preaching. What is wrong is that he shout and mocked the entire nation specifially after the 9/11 attack. He also saif that Obama is just a politician. He is just ot win the white house. He is also politician by giving his speech (sermon I mean) to cover up the bad comments he made.

You and Obama lied and does not take responsobility of what you said. Instead you both make reason to justify you irresponsible and very degrading comments. You can not fool America at this time.

Beware North Carolinians and Indianians….Obama lied and just a Politician.

Mr. Wright, CNN interview, said Obama condemned his comments about american because Obama is a Politician. Yeah right, Obama wants to get away with it condemning Wirght's comments to get oput of trouble and still fool the Americans and the younger voters. Good job lying Obama. You don't tale responsibility for your action. You are a disgrace for all North Carolinians and Indianians. What's new? Obama lied just like Wright, Rezco and Ayers and he will continue to lie and overspent the voter's money just to win but still the loser.

Richardson suddenly came out at CNN after Hillary won Pennsylvannia. Why are you afraid? Yes you are because f Hilalry wins your personal ambition and interest will disappear. Richardson cannot be trusted and a traitor. Don't vote for him when runs for a Senator. He belongs to Wright, Rezco and Ayer who join any group or fraternity where he will benefit and not the Americans.

Obama’s motto and theme should be Pay per Vote. Obama overspent in Pennsylvannia and still came out the loser.

Look at the facts as to how strong Hillary is:

Obama lost in Pennsylvannia in spite of endorsement by a Senator and overspending in ads, 5 to 1.

Obama lost in Texas and Ohio even overspending in ads and manipulating info in Ohio.

Obama lost in California even though Oprah, Maria Shriver, and Katherine Kennedy endorsed him.

Obama lost Massachusetts even though Kennedy and John Kerry endorsed him.

Hillary won the big states and has more electoral college votes to date than Obama that is crucial in November.

Obama lost the big states even though the media is most of the time unfair with Hillary and always positive to Obama.

Wake up superdelegates! You will make the right choice if you pick Hillary.

Obama mocked the Pennsylvannians and the entire nation, which is so irresponsible and very degrading to all Americans. He is just like Wright who mocked the Americans and like Rezco and Ayers who we can’t trust.

Before you can have CHANGE, we first need SOLUTIONS and that is HILLARY.

Wake up superdelegates!

Posted by: Alfredo | Apr 28, 2008 12:33:48 PM

Yeah, well Obama's camp has been saying things that bug a lot more groups since the beginning. Is that where the BO camp wants to go now? Okay, lets talk about who insulted who more, we have quite a list on the insults you and your camp dish out Obama whether in alluding, insinuating or straight out saying things. So far anyone who doesn't support you, according to YOU, is a gun toting, bible thumping, uneducated, old, lunch bucket, racist who don't appreciate WORDS you fling at us because we don't know you. Well, we know enough; that's why we're NOT voting for you.

Posted by: irma | Apr 28, 2008 12:17:04 PM

I really admire some of you folk's passion for your respective candidates. However, I think it would be wise to remember that this campaign is not about Barrack Obama or Hillary Clinton or John McCain...it is supposed to be about us and moving from a stagnant, backwards America. I swear some of you people act just like children with the personal assaults and mischaracterizations and downright lies. Take a deep breath already!

For the record, I haven't heard any of the candidates outright make race an issue in this contest! I have noticed that their respective supporters have done a pretty good job of muddling this fact.

The bottom line is that the "status quo" Americans are not going to be the King makers on this one. People who have traditionally voted the Republican and Democratic line will in all likelihood continue to do so. The key to this campaigns success will lie in the new voters and switch over votes.

So for Christ's sake, will some of you people please back off of the personal insults and attacks. I am an Obama supporter and I am African-American as well. I will defend HRC's right to try to win to the end, and any right minded Democrat should feel the same way. However, if she does win the nomination, what kind of a fool would I be by supporting the other guy, who clearly does not share any of my views or interests?

I think it is time for all Democrats to get out of the gutter with this personal crap and take the high ground on this campaign and on these issues. Yes the candidates are going to go after each other...this is politics! It does not matter if the race card, sex card, or whatever card is played, these candidates are trying to win and we should not blame them.

Posted by: ruthella10 | Apr 28, 2008 11:46:53 AM

I know hillary personally and she is deceptive in all terms,handing out inauguration invites to college students through chelsea,how low she has not even been nominated

Posted by: sneakei | Apr 28, 2008 11:44:47 AM

Good grief, what a heading! Both Clintons are wearing out their welcome. Bush (VP), Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, and now another Clinton? When did we get an imperial presidency with lines of succession? Who's next? Laura, then Chelsea, then Jenna?

L.

Posted by: L.E.B. | Apr 28, 2008 11:08:31 AM

The Blacks supported Oj too. That was a good choice

Posted by: kidding | Apr 28, 2008 9:50:02 AM

Hillary will do or say anything to win this election. Truth has no place in her campaign unless it serves her agenda. Remember, the Clintons are a package deal. There won't be an intern in the White House who will be safe. The Clintons are old news. There's nothing exciting or innovative going on in that campaign.

McCain better come up with a good running mate. He's older than dirt and will not make it through the first four years intact.

The only candidate without political baggage is Barack. He may be young and he may be inexperienced, but he has potential. He's smart. He'll take us to a level of leadership that we haven't seen in years. Give me something new and exciting.

Posted by: Judith | Apr 28, 2008 9:38:29 AM

Rick from Pa - You are wrong to say that Bill Clinton did nothing to deserve the criticism. I remember those years well and history will not look at Bill Clinton kindly because of the "legacy" he left. One scandal after another, one lie after another, he helped destroy any trust or respect that people felt for the office. To me, great presidents inspire trust - not destroy it. Great presidents bring honor and respect to the office - not disgrace it. A balanced budget does not make up for the psycological damage he inflicted on this country and Hillary has already shown she has a dislike for the truth like her husband. Both are power hungry to the point where it is sick. I don't want them anywhere near the white house again. If she wins - hide the dishes.

Posted by: Gretchenmom | Apr 28, 2008 8:27:45 AM

President Clinton has done absolutely nothing to deserve this type of treatment.

Americans that were babies at the time he was in office don't understand what a great President Clinton was.

We should feel blessed to have him anywhere near the White House.

He is the last person anyone should call a racist. This man has supported and has done more for African Americans than any other president. For African Americans to turn on him is cruel.

President Clinton balanced our budget, mended ties internationally and stood up for all of America. He is not liked but LOVED not just in America, but throughout the world.

Please stop falling for the comments said "fairy tale" and whatever silly thing the media has tried to spin into being a racist remark.

This is discusting to think that anyone black or white would even consider this man a racist.

Wake up America.
Be grateful he is helping to win the White House for the Democratic Party.
He is a PLUS for all Americans.

Posted by: Rick from Pa | Apr 28, 2008 6:12:36 AM

President Clinton has done absolutely nothing to deserve this type of treatment.

Americans that were babies at the time he was in office don't understand what a great President Clinton was.

We should feel blessed to have him anywhere near the White House.

He is the last person anyone should call a racist. This man has supported and has done more for African Americans than any other president. For African Americans to turn on him is cruel.

President Clinton balanced our budget, mended ties internationally and stood up for all of America. He is not liked but LOVED not just in America, but throughout the world.

Please stop falling for the comments said "fairy tale" and whatever silly thing the media has tried to spin into being a racist remark.

This is discusting to think that anyone black or white would even consider this man a racist.

Wake up America.
Be grateful he is helping to win the White House for the Democratic Party.
He is a PLUS for all Americans.

Posted by: Rick from Pa | Apr 28, 2008 6:12:26 AM

jbate where was Obama on Feb 4 1999? He did not go to work at the Senate in Illinois.

Posted by: libre | Apr 28, 2008 4:27:22 AM

So now to Rezko we have to ad Blackwell as beneficiary of Obama's "favors" with the Illinois taxpayers money in exchange for financial personal gain. Obama is a liar and a dirty old style POLITICIAN.

Posted by: libre | Apr 28, 2008 4:24:35 AM

To jbate:

She was in the cabinet meetings and General's meeting throughout President Clinton's presidency. You might want to do your homework on that one. She has immense experience. She has worked for American families (like us) for over 35 years; she has worked with foreign countries. She is backed by Generals and the military! She is very strong and she WILL get the job done for you and for me. She WILL fight for us! She is an amazing woman. I hope that you get a chance to realize this.

Chris in Indiana (where we are the so called "tie-breaker")..."Clinton country"
Indiana is ours! I hope that you're not from Michigan or Florida, what an injustice there (I would be so upset if I resided there)! I thought this was America!

Posted by: chris | Apr 28, 2008 3:14:27 AM

To the previous comment,

President Bill Clinton seemed to be giving a sympothatic remark to Obama, not a negative remark. He was sticking up for the guy! The poor guy had to decide when he came to the mainland to be "black" or "white"....he must have had some confusion with his identity and where to go with it. He chose to go to an African American church and have an African American family. What's wrong with that? President Clinton didn't say anything negative, he was only speaking what Barack himself has expressed.

That being said, how many Americans know that he went by the name Barry Obama his first 18 years or so?

His hand over his heart during the pledge; I think we all learned that around the first grade. Barry, if I'm not mistaken, was in a Muslim school during this time in Indonesia (must not have received the lesson).

However, my main point that I'd like for people to take a look at is this:
Why did he wait so long to take a good, hard look at his church? Doesn't that say something about Obama's character? Didn't even Oprah Winfrey distance herself from the same church a few years back?

Let's wait about 4-8 years and get to know the guy a little better and maybe, just maybe, he might be one of the greatest leaders of all time, maybe.

Chris in Indiana (where it is really starting to count here, finally!!!)

Posted by: Chris | Apr 28, 2008 3:03:14 AM

President Bill Clinton has not made one racist remark when touring The United States. He has a deep affection for African Americans. Why are they forgetting him. He is very fair, just as Obama is. President Clinton has done nothing wrong; he has only tried to campaign fairly for his wife (he dearly loves his wife and is very proud of her)...Obama's name doesn't even seem to be brought up during Clinton's events/rallys and I've attended many of Clinton's events.

Senator Clinton is very strong and she WILL get the job done for us. We need her. It is not a Clinton or Bush legacy...it's about Senator Clinton finally having a chance to help the American people. She has a passion to help us...that is all she wants. She doesn't want power; she wants to help the American people as she has always done. Please give her the job (look at her resume). You will not be disappointed. She will not quit; she will not give up; she will fight for all of us until things in this country are right again. She is not a quitter and that is what we need in a leader.

One last point, why will Senator Obama not debate Hillary in Indiana? Is he afraid that she is the better candidate? He has time to play basketball here, why can't he take some time to do some old fashioned debating?

If he were to be nominated, the Republicans will eat him alive....Senator Clinton's baggage has been out there for many years and it is over with. It's in the past....what can the Republicans tell us that we do not already know about the Clintons?

Chris in Indiana

Posted by: Chris | Apr 28, 2008 2:46:40 AM

Joel:

Are you sick, or what? To infer that black people vote for Obama simply because he is black is an insult. Blacks have been voting for white men since 1870; it just that now the best candidate happens to be black. The other candidate is from the "32 years" of the status quo. Her so-called experience is bogus and her credibility is in the pits.

Posted by: jbate | Apr 28, 2008 2:08:48 AM

I am proud of everyone here that has said how corrupt the Clinton regime is. I was very young when Clinton was in office, but I know far too well the corruption that came with him. I am also aware of the racism that is carrying Senator Obama. I think it is sickening to see black people vote for someone just because he's black. They vote for him because they're tired of white racists, but the way I see it, there are more white people voting for Obama than black people for Clinton or McCain proportionally. To me this says that the BLACKS are actually the racists. I am sick and tired of racists, I am ready to see America be what it's supposed to be, which is a diverse country unified under one belief and love for the country which our Founding Fathers created!

Posted by: Joel | Apr 28, 2008 1:50:11 AM

The heck with these super delagates...we need to bust up this Bush/Clinton deal once and for all.....I'll just vote for McCain. It may leave a bitter taste in my mouth but at least it won't be a Clinton or a bush again.........

Posted by: Dave Peck | Apr 27, 2008 11:13:09 PM

Now Dean is trying to tell Us that Hillary and Obama are now in a dead heat! Can you beleive that stuff ???? She got by a bunch of Pennheads, and now she is in a dead heat!
I saw that comming. I knew they would try to force Hilly down our throats and that is why I have changed my affilation to independent and I urge all the Obama followers to do the same. If Obama is not on the ballot, we can still write him in and at the same time, get even with all these "super delagates" that sold us out!!!
Leave it to those idiots in the Penn State to keep this going......what idiots!!! When the democrats loose this one, you know what state to thank!

Posted by: Dave Peck | Apr 27, 2008 11:07:20 PM

Bill Clinton, in my opinion, is why Hillary cannot win this election. If she takes the nomination she will not win in November. Too many Americans remember eight years of dishonesty, scandals and lying. I am a life long Democrat but if Hillary wins, I will leave the party. The Clinton's have made a mockery of the presidency and I blame them for the mess we are in now with Bush. When Clinton left office the economy was good, so there was absolutely no reason that Gore should not have won. The reason was, in my opinion, because people were disgusted and fed up with the Clintons and the backlash was against the Democratic nominee. If we as Democrats stick together and vote the party ticket...we can't lose simply because there are more Democrats than Republicans. Disgust with the Clintons and all the scandals that haunted their administration is the reason people voted Republican in 2000. There is no way I would subject the country to the Clintons again even if it means voting Republican. At least McCain is a decent person. Can't say the same for Hillary or Bill.

Posted by: Gretchenmom | Apr 27, 2008 10:44:16 PM

Please no Clintons for the sake of my family. We cana't have liars and cheaters in the White House - what message does that send to our kids - yes, its fine to lie and cheat on your spouse etc.

I'm voting for anybody other than Clinton. Please lose HRC for the good of the US and the world.

Posted by: democratfor08 | Apr 27, 2008 7:28:46 PM

Hi Tina D,

How could anybody hold the Clinton's in high esteem. I'm trying to raise three kids and teach them about right and wrong in this world. How do I explain the behavior of Mr. Clinton in the White House and all the lies that both Clintons have told over the years. I'm not trying to support Obama here but the Clintons are not good people - they are cheaters and liars - and I'm sure criminals in the eyes of some.

I'm voting anybody but Clinton for the sake of my kids.

Posted by: democratfor08 | Apr 27, 2008 7:26:28 PM

democrats are showing what they truly stand for-a devisive america- the utopian speeches about uniting america and helping the poor are mere political manuver to score political points but yet their records shows their liberal and uncompromising stance.

Posted by: sgmisa | Apr 27, 2008 7:26:22 PM

Unless one of your parents was Black and one was White, you really have no business talking about "embracing" and "denoucing" parts of someone's heritage. My late father was Black, my mother is White and my heritage comes from both of them. However, my racial identity was made quite clear to me on my first day of kindergarten when the a little boy yelled out to the teacher, "I don't want to sit next to a n****r." Racial identity is something that society determines for you because of how you look, it is not something determined by personal preference or choice. I'm now 55 years old, and have yet to have anyone refer to me as "White", even with my mother standing next to me.

Posted by: Teachfor53 | Apr 27, 2008 6:27:32 PM

Bill Clinton is showing some chinks in
his black armor. His faithful steed,
Hillary, tho, looks none the worse for
wear.

Ride on, ride on to victory.

Posted by: hombre | Apr 27, 2008 6:22:52 PM

The Clintons are bad for America. They teach our kids that cheating and lying is ok.

Posted by: democratfor08 | Apr 27, 2008 6:16:21 PM

Well, it's coming up a contest in a state with a high African American population so time for the black politicians to make up some phoney race thing about Hillary Clinton. Trying to make Obama unelectable so she can run in 2012? Oh, yeah, go through this campaign hell just to keep Obama from winning so she can run in four years and then go through this hell again? If the African American community is dumb enough to swallow that whole, then I have no sympathy for them at all whatsoever! Fortunately, there have already been AA's saying that Clyburn is not authorized to speak for them. Clyburn, you can fool some of the people some of the time....but you can't fool the whole AA community all of the time. Bill Clinton has been working to restore housing destroyed by Katrina, getting cheap aids medications to underpreviliged countries and various other good works. I think he should be welcome anywhere in this country.

Posted by: jkr | Apr 27, 2008 6:10:13 PM

Obviously Bill has worn out his welcome.

The Latino community is very upset at the Clintons for their venom toward Richardson and Gabriel Guerra-Mondragon.

Latinos feel Bill and Hillary used them. We have a good memory and will never support a Clinton again.

Posted by: Juanita | Apr 27, 2008 6:03:24 PM

The Clintons have always tried to divide an conquer, then they try to tell people the media is the one to blame.

Newsweek recently had an article mentioning all of the countries Hillary has upset by her comments. If Hillary had any understanding of foreign governments, she would not have upset allies like Great Britain, Irish Protestants, New Zealand, and Bosnia.

Her comments about Putin and Russia have guaranteed another cold war is she is elected president. Only this time, America is dependant on Russian oil.

Posted by: Debbie | Apr 27, 2008 5:59:17 PM

J Bate,
I understand that this is the first time Black people are able to vote for a Black candidate for president but that should not be the only criteria. My argument with you is that Hillary Clinton is much more qualified to be president right now. Obama has NO foreign policy experience......none.....which is so important at this moment in time....Obama needs to learn the ropes some more.....he really needs to accept the VP spot so he can learn and then run again after Hillary and he will win. Right now, he is not the one for the job. getting back to Bill Clinton...he has done so many good things for African Americans and it is very very sad to see how they have just turned their backs on him and Hillary. It's as if their support in previous years meant nothing....it is very very sad.

Posted by: Keith | Apr 27, 2008 5:08:35 PM

ENOUGH! STOP USING THE TERM "RACE CARD" MY GOD, YOU GUYS HAVE TOTALLY WORN IT OUT FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS! GET OVER IT! YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO'S PULLING THE "RACE CARD"? WE ARE, IF OBAMA OR CLINTON IS NOT WHERE WE WANT THEM TO BE WE ARE THE ONES WHO SAY, "IT WAS THE....RACE CARD" FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, MAY THE BEST MAN WIN.

Posted by: ugh! | Apr 27, 2008 5:05:48 PM

Keith:

Consider this: Black people have been voting for white people since 1870 when they were first given the right to vote. Are you really surprised that they would vote for qualified black man when given the opportunity. Or should they vote for a white woman who not only is part of the status quo of the last 30 years, but is manifestly not as qualified as the black man.

And why do the Clintons raise the issue of race at every opportunity. Because they want everyone to know Obama is black and the implication is, for that reason alone, they should vote for her.

Posted by: jbate | Apr 27, 2008 4:33:47 PM

Bill Clinton has revealed himself to be what he was all along: a racist hillbilly.
Many of his and her remarks have a racist undertone: Jesse Jackson remark intended to trivialize Obama win in SC, Hillary's "as far as I know." when asked if Obama is a Muslim. These are just two of the many remarks the Clintons have made that have a demeaning overtone. Hillary is down in number of states won, number of delegates won, number caucuses won, number of he popular vote.

The only area in which Hillary is leading is in the number of lies told.

Posted by: jbate | Apr 27, 2008 4:25:44 PM

Bill loves the blacks but its obvious that Obama dislikes us whites!

Posted by: Alfredbutts | Apr 27, 2008 4:16:29 PM

Of course it is about race ! And what a presidential race it is !

Posted by: Dan | Apr 27, 2008 3:58:30 PM

No, we are not tired of President Bill Clinton. He has a right to feel the way he does. After all he has done for African Americans through out his years of public service, its as if they have abandoned the Clintons just because a Mixed (Black and White) person is running for office. What about the loyalty for all of the work and support the Clintons provided before Obama came into the picture? I guess Race trumps it all!

Posted by: Keith | Apr 27, 2008 3:48:19 PM

"Obama supporters are more highly educated and articulate."

Not necessarily. I have two post-graduate degrees and I am supporting Hillary. I know many folks with college and post-graduate degrees who are also supporting her.

Posted by: J | Apr 27, 2008 3:19:40 PM

This is so like the Democrats. When Bill was in office it was ok for him to talk like a village idiot. Now it's not? The Clintons have not changed since Bill was deemed our first black President. The democrats thought at that time, even though he was impeached, that he was the next best thing since sliced bread. Now the democrats can't believe he's acting as he is? Just like the democrats not knowing what they stand for!

Posted by: rdotx | Apr 27, 2008 3:18:21 PM

BO can't win the GE. BO is tearing the party apart. The supers know this! BO needs to spend more time with his family.

Posted by: where the beef? | Apr 27, 2008 1:40:07 PM

BO supporter Jessie Jr was the first BO to use the race card when he subjected that Hillary didn't cry for the the Katrina victims!!! Then BO used the race card in SC and when Bill responded clyburn said "chill". Well Obama has used dirty politics since 2007!!!

Posted by: where the beef? | Apr 27, 2008 1:36:39 PM

Mr. clyburn seems to be saying that only black people will vote for BO.

Posted by: where the beef? | Apr 27, 2008 1:31:23 PM

The way its going, Hillary and Obama will cancel each other out and the Democrats will have zilch come elections time...and America continues to suffer.

Posted by: Brown | Apr 27, 2008 1:23:30 PM

Truth be told, Bill and Hill have made it difficult for either candidate to win in the fall. If HRC manages to steal the nomination, many blacks and many of the the young new voters energized by Obama's campaign will either vote for McCain or not vote at all. And whether HRC supporters want to believe it or not, she is more disliked now than when she was when she started her campaign due to her and Bill's own behavior. She will go to ANY extreme to win what she perceives to be her right. And by the way, she won PA by 10 points. Huge win since she was ahead by 20 points the month before???????????

Posted by: truth be told | Apr 27, 2008 12:50:06 PM

for those who say "they had respect for bill and hill,but do not anymore because they have run a dirty campaign.
and really believes obama is the above the fray , hope and change candidate
should read about how obama started his political rise and read about alice palmer.
Mr. obama is a new kind of politician though
he has not lived the black american experience-and he has them flocking to him like sheep-asking nothing of him.
mr.obama has not lived the white american experience-and they flock to him like sheep
actually mr. obama has not lived the american experience at all.
when he came back to the us-he was in a prestigeous university.
it is well doc. about the work that sen. clinton did when she got out of law school-the people she worked for and with are still alive to tell.
has anyone really checked into this work that obama keeps telling us about he did after law school? how long did he do it? what were the circumstances?
and what was the outcome of his involvement?
as far as bill clinton legacy
the clintons have their foundation that is serving people not just in the us but all around the world. it is an established institution.
and even though the black people have done what they have done to the clintons. the clintons will continue to try and help level the playing field for all americans because it is the right thing to do.
not just for political posturing
such as obama.
the clinton legacy is good and it is intact.
words against good deeds
good deeds always win out.
no matter what you say.
the clintons will continue to do good.
and when the cure for aids comes along
the world will have the clintons and many others to thank.
legacy intact

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 27, 2008 11:41:54 AM

I used to have respect for Bill Clinton (in spite of the Monica scandal) and voted for him both times. However, this dirty campaign that has been run by Bill and Hillary and the numerous insensitive off the cuff remarks by Bill Clinton has caused me to lose any respect that I may have had. Bill Clinton has destroyed any decent legacy that he may have had.

Posted by: PhilBgood | Apr 27, 2008 10:46:34 AM

Get a grip people.19% of people polled in Pa said race was a factor, so yes, there are some scared bigots in PA. This white female stands behind Barack 100%. Obama has no problem with white voters. His rallies show a sea of white faces, young and old that believe in him. PA was an overblown media spin. Let's quit with all the racial bs and come together as Democrats for the good of this country and our party. Do you wish the media to start saying that Hill uses the gender card? That will be the next hot button distraction.

Posted by: mandm | Apr 27, 2008 10:01:32 AM

simple truth,
thanks for being another voice telling the truth.
my american people
forget all of that crap you carry on about HRC and not trusting her.
she will deliver
think about what she is saying will be done.
she has the best plans
obama only copies,
if you want healthcare,economy back on track,etc hi;;ary will deliver.
obama does not have the will
look at all of the attacks from the media on sen. clinton and she just keeps right on marching with the truth
not distracted, not floundering
obama had a few hard questions toward him
and he is caving=will not debate
will not answer questions
just wants to make the big speeches
he was already stumbling and fumbling
when asked questions-now he really stumbles.
I can remember when bush started saying he did not want to debate-there was a reason for that.-and we have over slowly found out why.and it has hurt us
in the long run.
better we hear obama debate, and take the hard questions now and let him suffer a little
that to give him a pass and we suffer in the long run for it.
it is his all that he keeps telling people he is-let him debate sen. clinton
and let some of the undecided voters see them together.

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 27, 2008 8:51:33 AM

Can anyone tell me where in the Judicial System or the Constitution of The United States does it mention that someone can be found guilty by association?

Can anyone tell me, is Reverend Wright one of the candidates? Has his church been emptied all to one man and his family?

Senator Obama is a decent human being, who is now probably only staying in the race to the white house out of sheer pride. How will he survive and overcome the abuse? How does he get up every day and get back out there. Maybe he should go on national television and cry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: exatlantic | Apr 27, 2008 8:43:47 AM

I - perhaps like many, many others - am FED-UP with the campaign. The villification has gone too far. I always knew in the back of my mind that this campaign would come down to a race fight and I pretty much now feel sorry for Obama, because President and Mrs. Clinton and their advisors know very well what hurts and what works. If Senator Obama responds, they will say "Yuh see! he is playing the race card." If he doesn't debate, they will say "Yuh see, he is afraid to face her" and so it goes, and so it goes. They will maximize their tactics at every opportunity. BUT AT WHAT COST TO WHOM?

Posted by: exatlantic | Apr 27, 2008 8:37:29 AM

Brothers don't like the truth.

How many Social Activists including MLK have passed any legislation? Believe it is impossible according to US Constitution. While MLK was a great Civil Rights Activist, he could not have passed a single Civil Rights Law, it did take LBJ to get it done.

Monady morning Quarter Backing on the War is great but he didn't have to make decision so it is mute point. If he did, he would have either voted for it, voted present (suppose, only possible Illinois), not shown up. Would not have voted against it because he is too ambitious and a political animal.

Ted Kennedy voted against it because he has no where to go any more and voters in Mass sends him back every time because he brings them bacon (no, steak) every year.

Obama's judgement doesn't seem impeccable now as he claims it is. Past and present Associations, unempathetic comments, and clinging to inspiration, hope and change without describing them.


Posted by: Indenpendent | Apr 27, 2008 8:25:17 AM

Black and White...All the comments this week from Bill and Clyburn were just tactics. This race is clearly a power play struggle in the party. I think Nancy Pelosi may have her eye on the VP slot with Obama. The democratic presidential losers from the past elections want more power, and the freshman elected in last couple elections see a chance to skip over established congressman and senaters and gain more power in the party. Just like there has been a quasi civil war in Irag, there is a civil war in the party, left vs. middle, new vs. old. A case could be made for either Obama or Clinton, but at the end of day whom ever wins will have the power in the party, choose carefuly!!

Posted by: Jim | Apr 27, 2008 8:11:30 AM