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The "Double Standard" Hillary Clinton Is Talking About

April 08, 2008 8:47 PM

I've never argued with the notion that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, gets tougher media coverage than either Sens. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, or John McCain, R-Ariz.

There are a lot of reasons for it, starting with some (fair or unfair) Clinton fatigue among members of the media. But I do think, sometimes, there is sexism at play. (I'm not talking about at ABC News, I'm talking in general.)

Tonight on NPR's All Things Considered, Clinton herself alluded to a "double standard," telling Michelle Norris -- as ABC News' Teddy Davis reported earlier -- "there has been, throughout this campaign, something of a double standard. I accept it; I live with it."

Clinton was not necessarily talking about a sexist double standard in that interview, but it is a common complaint of hers -- whether after an MSNBC reporter referred to Chelsea Clinton being "pimped out," or after Obama-backing Sen. Pat Leahy, D-Vermont, said the delegate math wasn't there for her and she should drop out and, according to the New York Times, she complained privately  that "big boys" were trying to bully a woman out of the race.

Some Clinton supporters made a Youtube video illustrating what Clinton and her supporters are often talking about when they gripe about media coverage. (Hat tip to Ann Althouse.)

What do you think of that video?

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Whatever you think, I can't say I think there was a "double standard" in the same NPR interview. (Listen to it HERE)

Michelle Norris, hardly a leader purveyor of sexist thought, asked Clinton what she thought when people pointed out that the delegate math worked against her, and the only way she could win is by destroying Obama, making him unelectable, winning "ugly."

"I don't know what it means because there is no way for Senator Obama to win unless he also obtains a significant number of superdelegates," Clinton said.

That's when Clinton complained about a double standard.

Norris asked her what the double standard is.

"Well, I think that it's pretty obvious to anybody who has followed it," said Clinton.

Norris tried again.

"No, but you know - for example, why is the question directed at me?" Clinton responded. "I mean, neither of us has the number of delegates to win. It is a problem for both of us."

I can't speak for Norris, or for anyone else. I think there has been sexism.

But I think the question is being asked because Clinton is trailing in delegates and the Democrats' proportionally-allocated delegate system means the math is tough for her.

Numbers aren't sexist.

- jpt

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If you really listen to the comments being made on the video, it's clear they don't relate to Hillary's policies/politics or even her personally. They're talking about every woman who ever made them feel uncomfortable--"the ex-wife" and all the other stereotypes they're joking about. They're stereotypes of women who made them uncomfortable in part because they'd stopped being giggly schoolgirls or passive or caretakers--they grew up and owned the fact that they have as much right to their power as men do to theirs. The female "newscasters" who are participating, I think, are not there yet. They still think they can only be cheerleaders for the quarterbacks. I try to imagine what sort of female candidate these guys and gals would not joke about in a stereotypical way, and I can't. They're taking the cheapest of shots, based on all of their own fears, resentments and prejudices. Fifty or 60 years ago, the comments might have been directed at Obama and based on race--they're those kinds of comments, complete with the raucous laughter and back-slapping attitude of middle-aged boys with power and afraid of losing it.

Posted by: Linda in DC | Apr 10, 2008 11:20:54 AM

The media is treating Hillary like a republican and she doesn't like it. Her and her husband never had a problem in the past when the media was unfairly ripping into their opponents 24/7, but now they have fallen out of favor with the media and the shoe is on the other foot. Hillary is finished. You can't expect to lie your way into the White house without attracting some negative media attention. But then cry and whine about it when it happens? Give me a break!

Posted by: John | Apr 10, 2008 6:47:39 AM

This has been going on for way to long!! Finally a very few people are going to reort on it!! The MSM (MainStreamMedia) have been putting her down since well before January!!! (I wrote MSNBC and told them I was no longer watching thier network because of it) They are acting sexist, The female reporter's on these station's should be ashamed!!! Nobosy without looking on the internet can name one thing Obama has done in office. Not to mention the 15 Million people who will be left out of his health care plan, and those who do not want to pay for it, leave it up to the rest of us to pick up the tab.

Posted by: Rob jensen | Apr 10, 2008 4:10:32 AM

Senator Clinton has never made herself out to be anyone's victim. The people who made that video were angry on her behalf and angry on behalf of all women. The behavior of these some of these "journalists" has been nothing short of despicable.

On this video, you actually see a TV commentator saying "someone should take her [Hillary] out behind the barn..." Can you imagine? WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE??
Is this what men and women wish to teacher their daughters about how it is acceptable to treat and talk about women?

Don't tell me it's just because it's "Hillary" -- that is merely an old extremist vile talking point to try to discredit her.

Don't you remember that a couple of months ago, some female anchor on a news show made a horrible joke about Tiger Woods so outpacing the field at a golf tournament that his competitors might be thinking of 'taking him in alley and lynching him'?? Wasn't she suspended? Or fired? Rightly so. No one let her get away with that.

Please explain to me why the rest of this frat-boy misogyny aimed at a woman, any woman, is acceptable.

What does any of this have to do with the issues on which the respective candidates are running?

Posted by: annagain | Apr 9, 2008 9:13:45 PM

I believe she can win but it is going to be hard. She not only has to run ageist obama she has to run ageist the MSM. Let's hope the white woman of PA come out in force.

Posted by: Ken FL | Apr 9, 2008 7:53:23 PM

I don't understand how she is ALWAYS the victim being dumped on by the guys?! First she was the underdog that came back to beat the Patriots. Then she was the underdog that came back to defeat Memphis. Let us not forget she was the underdog that came back and found her voice(N.H.) and to show us how the West was really won(Nevada).

Please.

In the words of Bill himself "Give me a break"

Oh, wait, I don't need a break the rest of the public does. I've seen through her gender and sympathy ploys. I can't take my vote back but at least I woke up to her nonsense...."The boys are picking on me. The press is picking on me....The boys are picking on me again...I'm always asked the first question....I won't quit.....there is a double standard.....the press is being unfair and the boys are PICKING ON ME AGAIN!...."

Lord knows if the situation were reversed, Obama would be hounded everyday to get out of the race, no one would have any sympathy for him and he would be called a you know what for complaining.

Therefore, het cries fall on deaf ears.

Posted by: Elizabeth | Apr 9, 2008 7:23:29 PM

Ya Know,

McCain was behind in delegates too. And, his campaign was so broke he started carrying his own luggage. No helpers. No one told him to quit. No one called him names, no one in the press beat him to a pulp. And my gosh, look where he is today. I wonder where Hillary would be if only the press would have treated her the same as they treated McCain.

But, with all this against her, Obama cannot win either.

Hillary 08'

Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | Apr 9, 2008 6:39:37 PM

Well, Mike K, lets talk technicalities. Each one of Hillary's delegates is backed with more voters, sometimes thousands more. You know, because of those little Red States that had like 6,000 people show up at caucuses and bully a win for BO.

If Republicans couldn't vote in our primaries BO's lead would be erased. If FL and MI counted, most of his lead would be erased. Plus, regarding the electoral college, the thing that decides who is going to be president, Hillary is ahead.

So lets here you little SD argument again. this time with something that makes sense.

Posted by: MJJ | Apr 9, 2008 5:20:51 PM

They are asking Clinton because if there were no Superdelegates she would NEVER catch Obama - plain and simple. It isn't that they both need them - they do - but that is for a magical number - it is that she is behind and without help she will always be behind. In other words, if they received the same amount of Superdelegates he would win.

But this is typical of the Clintons who often successfully reshape the conversation to their advantage - it is ludicrous and we are pathetic if we buy into her argument.

Posted by: mike k | Apr 9, 2008 4:45:32 PM

Speaking of putting people under the spotlight, when is the MSM going to put Obama's lies under the spotlight? Granted, the man goes to great lengths to avoid saying anything whatsoever he could be held accountable for, and sends his minions out to use words like "monster" so he can claim to be above it all. But every day there's new evidence that he's a complete fraud. So why it is, exactly, that the MSM doesn't investigate any of it?

Posted by: Linda in DC | Apr 9, 2008 4:31:57 PM

If you really think Hillary can't win, even if we count FL and MI, then why not count them? If you really think she "can't win" why are you fighting so hard? Obama certainly thinks she still has a shot, he's working hard. He's mostly laid off the shots at Hillary, too. Why can't you follow his example?

Usually, we think well of someone who doesn't give up, but stays in the game, right?

Posted by: Doctor Jay | Apr 9, 2008 4:31:14 PM

I'm a woman and I'm SICK and TIRED of Clinton playing the gender/victim card. One day, I hope to vote for woman for POTUS who EARNED it through sheer hard work and discipline and not because of her husband and all his dubious political connections.

Of course Clinton has been put under harsher spotlight than any other candidate and that's because she's a CLINTON, not a woman. I don't know why people get confused with that. Its in the Clinton DNA to lie effortlessly (see Bosnia) and hence, whatever she or Bill says will be analyzed more carefully and harshly.

This is, after all, the family that redefined the meaning of the word 'is'.

Posted by: AM | Apr 9, 2008 4:13:29 PM

I am a female, 56 y.o. I haven't seen any of that video stuff not being a TV watchers (NPR and the Internet are my sources). Some of the stuff there is offensive, some is just reactions to what Clinton says and does, and those two have to be separated thoroughly. I myself at first was not committed to any of the candidates, in fact thought that since she is a front-runner it's a done deal. But little-by-little I started turning against her. Mind you, I am a person who for 15 years defended her from everyone around me who attacked her. And now I got to the point that I cannot stand her. I think she is ruthless and would do anything to destroy her opponent. Remember: a day after she said in a debate that she is honored to run against Barack Obama she was screaming "Shame on you, Barack Obama!" So those who say, "which one is it going to be?" are absolutely correct.

Posted by: alindra | Apr 9, 2008 3:39:24 PM

I saw this video the other day and was flat-out horrified. How the hell does the MSM get away with such blatant, outrageous sexism??? If they made even remotely similar crude, crass remarks about Obama, they'd all be fired. What hit me most of all was how many of the male reporters clearly have a major issue with powerful women. What is it, guys, a mother complex, performance anxiety, what??? well, get over it and start at least pretending to do your jo instead of using your spotlight to vent your little-boy terrors. Sickening. (As for the female reporters who follow suit (suits?), I can only say they're worse.)

Posted by: Linda in DC | Apr 9, 2008 3:29:51 PM

karela, You are right. Everyone says Hillary is a fighter but how many fights has she won and to whose benefit? She polarizes people hence the need to fight.

Posted by: indy_voter | Apr 9, 2008 2:58:45 PM

I think Mrs. Clinton causes much of her own problem with the press. She stood up there in her St. Patrick's day scarf and told "snipergate" in great detail and she knew it was a giant lie. If she doesn't want to look tight and angry and shrill on national news, she shouldn't call every reporter near at hand to an impromptu news conference and shout "Shame on you." She does it over and over. Mrs. Clinton likes to fight. Everyone near her ends up fighting i.e. healthcare failure in the 90's and her whole campaign in 2008. She fights. It draws attention. She doesn't like the kind of attention she draws, but she can't seem to change her spots.

Posted by: karela | Apr 9, 2008 2:00:08 PM

The article "Lewinsky Scandal follows Chelsea on the Campaign trail" says it all. No mention of Larry Sinclair anywhere. The media will get down in the mud when it comes to women and sexism, but don't touch the golden Harvard Boys. Guess what networks, democratic women are mad as hell and aren't going to take it anymore!

Posted by: rs | Apr 9, 2008 1:38:02 PM

SB is correct in her description of sexism and how it has played out in this country and others. The reason the older women are strong supporters of Hillary is because we have lived through it. We know how it feels to be passed over for promotions for which you are qualified simply because you are a woman. The younger women who support Obama have been beneficiaries of our struggles. Maybe they will understand some of those struggles when McCain becomes our next president. The republicans will double their effort on Roe vs Wade once McCain is elected.

Posted by: Firefighter | Apr 9, 2008 1:25:56 PM

hey Jake - instead of focusing on "sexism" - let's just focus on Double Standards in media coverage - have there been -yes. has there been an outright acceptance of the framing of the delegate pickup as SHE doesn't have enough to win, so she should quit. Whereas HE doesn't have enough to win is never the meme. Yes.

Even in your article, you're picking on every word she says - SHE never says anything about sexism, you're inferring it, and the rest of the media will likely say, Clinton Claims to be victim of Sexism, right? Whereas Obama words are never picked on for traces of race-baiting, never, how dare the media even consider that.

Double Standards are everywhere in the media - from the same old Zogby and Rasmussens polls the media keeps citing (because it shows "Obama surging") even when these specific polls have been wrong. How about the case of Trina Bachtel which some of your colleagues have proven Clinton to be true - and yet the meme that Clinton lied about it keeps circulating and beaten like a dead horse. Compare that to "Passport-gate" as soon as it was discovered Obama's own advisor could be the source, the media shut it down.

Is Clinton fatigue a good reason for the media to be so biased? - where is the respect for the electorate? I suppose that why journalists are suppose to have Ethics and Standards for their work - sadly, no one cares about this anymore.

Posted by: bbln | Apr 9, 2008 12:56:30 PM

It's sad when FOX News is providing the most fair coverage for the Dem primary...

they don't have a love affair w/ Obama, which is why they're not providing biased coverage toward Obama at the expense of Hillary Clinton

Posted by: Cowboy Jack | Apr 9, 2008 12:44:52 PM

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