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The "Double Standard" Hillary Clinton Is Talking About
April 08, 2008 8:47 PM
I've never argued with the notion that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, gets tougher media coverage than either Sens. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, or John McCain, R-Ariz.
There are a lot of reasons for it, starting with some (fair or unfair) Clinton fatigue among members of the media. But I do think, sometimes, there is sexism at play. (I'm not talking about at ABC News, I'm talking in general.)
Tonight on NPR's All Things Considered, Clinton herself alluded to a "double standard," telling Michelle Norris -- as ABC News' Teddy Davis reported earlier -- "there has been, throughout this campaign, something of a double standard. I accept it; I live with it."
Clinton was not necessarily talking about a sexist double standard in that interview, but it is a common complaint of hers -- whether after an MSNBC reporter referred to Chelsea Clinton being "pimped out," or after Obama-backing Sen. Pat Leahy, D-Vermont, said the delegate math wasn't there for her and she should drop out and, according to the New York Times, she complained privately that "big boys" were trying to bully a woman out of the race.
Some Clinton supporters made a Youtube video illustrating what Clinton and her supporters are often talking about when they gripe about media coverage. (Hat tip to Ann Althouse.)
What do you think of that video?
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Whatever you think, I can't say I think there was a "double standard" in the same NPR interview. (Listen to it HERE)
Michelle Norris, hardly a leader purveyor of sexist thought, asked Clinton what she thought when people pointed out that the delegate math worked against her, and the only way she could win is by destroying Obama, making him unelectable, winning "ugly."
"I don't know what it means because there is no way for Senator Obama to win unless he also obtains a significant number of superdelegates," Clinton said.
That's when Clinton complained about a double standard.
Norris asked her what the double standard is.
"Well, I think that it's pretty obvious to anybody who has followed it," said Clinton.
Norris tried again.
"No, but you know - for example, why is the question directed at me?" Clinton responded. "I mean, neither of us has the number of delegates to win. It is a problem for both of us."
I can't speak for Norris, or for anyone else. I think there has been sexism.
But I think the question is being asked because Clinton is trailing in delegates and the Democrats' proportionally-allocated delegate system means the math is tough for her.
Numbers aren't sexist.
- jpt
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It cracks me up all the "she can't win" talk. BO should relax, go on an even longer vacation -- he gets so tired with all the campaigning. She can't win, so he should take a month off and get ready for the general. What's the problem?
Of course there's been sexism -- from calling former First Lady, Sen. Clinton, "it," to claiming she's like a nagging wife and on and on. Sexism has been at the root of BO's campaign, coupled with an effort to paint all "typically white people" as racists.
Well, women are pissed -- many of us will not support BO in a general election.
The thing that gets us base Democrats really pissed off is the exclusion of FL and MI. If we count those two contests this thing is tied. And, Democrats, before BO, used to want to count every vote. Talk about hypocritical.
Posted by: ann | Apr 9, 2008 12:32:34 PM
This is so true...
You have exposed another desperate Clinton measure. These things are getting hard to bear!
Playing the gender card (as when she quipped she should get some votes for taking more time in the bathroom to groom herself!) is not going to rescue this blundering campaign...
Whoever gets the popular vote should win and even the superdels tend to think that way...
Unlike Clinton with her preference for cloakroom politics many Dems still believe in democracy over winning at all costs...
Please end this disgrace, Hillary!
Posted by: outragious008 | Apr 9, 2008 12:05:26 PM
Hillary is right there is a double standard if the roles were reversed, Obama would have been pull asided long ago and would have been told to bow out. But Hillary can go on and on destroying the party with nochance of being the nominee
Posted by: tiredofthelackofknowledgeofvoters | Apr 9, 2008 11:59:12 AM
Can anybody tell me Obama's current position on gun control?
Just curious.
Posted by: Aston | Apr 9, 2008 11:48:08 AM
What's the scariest thing in the world?
Obama and Pelosi together in DC using all the powers of their office -- socializing America.
Posted by: S | Apr 9, 2008 11:46:30 AM
The question is being asked of her because she has won fewer contests and received fewer votes, and the primary season is likely to end that way. Therefore, if the superdelegates were to choose her over the winner of the primary season, it would be a coup against the will of Democratic voters. That's why she's being asked if she wants to "win dirty." Most of the superdelegates know that nominating the loser of the primary season, in the absence of a catastrophic crisis that disqualifies the winner, would render the nomination worthless, and wreck the party itself for many years to come.
Posted by: TKD | Apr 9, 2008 11:40:15 AM
Hillary continues to paint herself as victim...the fact is she is asked about how she can win enough delegates because there is no way she can win enough pledged delegates to come out with a lead, which in turn is the most likely metric to convince a plurality of the remaining superdelegates to commit!
Yes, I know, *technically* the delegates can vote any way they want, but the political *reality* is, Clinton has lost. Everyone is being very polite and treating her with kid gloves, but sooner or later (I hope sooner) reality has to set in.
Posted by: Ruth | Apr 9, 2008 11:24:44 AM
The Inconvenient Truth. No need to panic. Just chill out, help is on the way. A lot of Penna Democrats are Senior Citizens which are from the Old Guard mentality. Obama is out of line. You'll see!
Yes there is a Horserace here in Penna. Hillary with her 35 years of combat experience, most recently her heroics in Bosnia, has all the Horses coming to her rescue. As usual Mr. Ed & Mayor Nutter have come out to take Lil Hillary by the hand, spoon fed her, and lead her around to the FUND RAISERS which she enjoys very much.
Senator Obama has been going at it alone. No small task since the The Old Guard Demos mounted a 26 point lead for Hillary when Obama came to town. He has shown us here in Pa. that he is willing to do it the American Way. He works for it.
Hillary Horses have been trained well, they sing many songs of praise for her. However, if you listen closely it becomes quite clear which part of the Horse this talk is coming from. That''s no BS.....
Posted by: Inconvenient | Apr 9, 2008 11:15:31 AM
Thanks for the link. The video shows what most of us know. The MSM set out to push her off the bus. On the other hand, I guess one would want to ask given the anti-Hillary statements coming from the female talking heads if it is only misogyny when men say it? Back to the dictionary, Joy Behar, to find a defense for the indefensible.
Oh where oh where is Anita Bryant when the Republicans need her?
This will only get worse. At some point, the hard right wingers will harvest the abundant homophobic sermons from the cable-church shows. The Hollywood elite and the Silicon Valley contributors will get the eye-opener they've been ignoring.
A conversation is two-way or it is just polemic. Obama's campaign has opened a can of worms no one in the country was ready for. Now it's "go fish" season.
Posted by: len | Apr 9, 2008 11:14:38 AM
Racism and sexism exist in America, and the press reflects those prejudices in its coverage. As a person of color and a woman, I see both playing out in this election cycle. The only beneficiary seems to be John McCain.
On a personal level, I've experienced both sexism and racism and they both hurt, and dehumanize. One doesn't trump the other.
We can continue to bash Obama and Clinton for the Republicans, or we can see beyond the minor policy differences between the Democrats, make a choice at the primary voting booth but ultimately support a Democrat. Neither is perfect, both have lied, but one of them must enter the White House in 2009 if we are to avoid a war with Iran and the corporate takeover of our shared Democratic values.
Posted by: Marina | Apr 9, 2008 10:18:36 AM
YOu know Obama's grandmother lives in a hut. Her son went to Ivy league schools and had a PHD. Her grandson went to Ivy league schools and she continues to live in a hut.
Anyone who thinks that sexism isn't pervasive needs to look at the Obama family in Africa and see how it's women live in compared to it's men.
Posted by: s.b. | Apr 9, 2008 9:45:09 AM
I don't think there is a double standard. I just think there are any standards tat are appropriate dealing with sex and race. She has made some serious mistakes and cries victim when she is criticized. As for others asking her to step down, I always thought that came from her saying McCain had more experience than Obama. If she were a man they would have hit her hard on that one too.
THe Clintons are always complaining about something. Always have been always will be. It's disheartening how they always play the victim. I hope the America people are as tired of it as I am.
Posted by: Esme | Apr 9, 2008 9:44:23 AM
Is the media going to fall for this again like they did before Ohio and Texas. Bill Clinton said 2 weeks ago. If you can't take the campaign get out of it. Perhaps she should take her husband's advice.
Posted by: rachel | Apr 9, 2008 9:41:39 AM
s.b., get a grip.
Hillary does not represent most women - she definitely doesn't represent me.
Obama 08
Posted by: Melissa | Apr 9, 2008 9:35:35 AM
Wow one sentence to justify disenfranchising 2.3 million voters.
Hillary has always maintained, as has the DNC by the way, that MI and FL wopuld be seated at convention.
They just didn't think it would effect the outcome. This is still what Howard Dean is hoping for.
You can't disenfranchise 2.3 million voters 8% of the electorate and win the white house.
One sentence from one candidate is not justification for disenfranchising anyone.
You either want to win the white house or you don't. Obama cant win without MI and FL.
You can scream about one sentence or rules of which there are many that can also reinstate them, or removing a name from the ballot which the candidate himself requested and was not necessary.
However, the FACT and it is a FACT remains, he can't win by disenfranchising MI and FL. That's 8% of the electoral college folks.
You want to win the nomination with MI an FL, or you dont want to win in NOV.
There are no justifications that change that fact.
Posted by: s.b. | Apr 9, 2008 9:35:06 AM
s.b. - enough "misstatements".
The Democratic Party said to all the candidates at the news of the primaries in Michigan and Florida picking their own date earlier than agreed, that those votes would not count. All candidates understood that and knew that those primaries would not count.
Hillary is quoted on New Hampshire NPR saying that those primaries wouldn't count. Now that she's not the frontrunner and barely able to stay in the race, of course she wants those votes to count. Her campaign is in such shambles now - even those states wouldn't help her.
duh
Posted by: Mark in Wyoming | Apr 9, 2008 9:29:46 AM
By the way, last time I checked, every race is made up of 50% women who are oppressed more than their male counterparts, in every part of the world.
Sexism is much worse, much more accepted and universal. Racism is not.
How about all those women we are helping out in Iraq and Afghanistan??? No one even cares. Sexism is worse, everywhere.
Posted by: s.b. | Apr 9, 2008 9:28:33 AM
Ann Althouse should be applauded, that video was on the mark. I will remember how MSNBC and the other have used their airtime and will vote for Hillary on april 22 in PA. As a son, with a great mom if "Kieth O" ever spoke that way about her I would find him and punch him in the mouth....he deserves it.
Posted by: Jim | Apr 9, 2008 9:25:54 AM
Hillary started ahead by 20% in most polls.
Since then, state elections results were basically split 50/50 through super Tuesday.
Hillary still had major leads in many states, but she ended up losing several elections in a row.
In life, starting ahead by 20%, but losing with the race almost over is not a good sign.
If it wasn't for Hillary's initial 100+ super delegate lead before any states voted, things would be even worse.
Given the Democratic party proportional allotment of delegates, Hillary needs to win 70% of the votes from this point on to be ahead in the pledged delegate count.
It's true she could lead in the votes cast. There were several states who had caucuses instead of primaries. States decide what type of election they want. These states chose this format because it saves them millions of dollars.
DNC rules say the delegates, not the votes decide things. All Democratic candidates signed the rules, so they know what is fair. Any candidate who doesn't like the rules, should never sign their name to agree to the rules.
Hillary and Obama are both lawyers, they fully understand the rules. No one in America wants a politician who doesn't abide by the laws.
Posted by: Debbie | Apr 9, 2008 9:25:54 AM
By the way, Obama's campaign organizers in Michigan, and he does have campagin organizers in Michigan have asked that he let the results stand and the delegates be seated.
They know the consequences if this doesnt happen. He loses the white house.
Posted by: s.b. | Apr 9, 2008 9:24:44 AM
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