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April 25, 2008 5:34 PM

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., continued to try and use the Weather Underground to rain on Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., telling conservative bloggers in a conference call today that Obama needs to repudiate William Ayers, apologize to Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., for comparing him to Ayers (as an example of a friend with whom Obama disagrees), and to apologize to the American people for his relationship with Ayers, "an unrepentant terrorist."

The presumptive GOP frontrunner expresses surprise that the media is making more out of Obama's relationship with Rev. Wright than his relationship with Ayers.

Town Hall, the American Spectator, Human Events, Commentary and others are up and running with the comments.

McCain -- unlike the husband of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., who commuted the jail sentences of two members of the Weather Underground -- seems eager to bring this subject up, as he did on This Week with George Stephanopoulos on Sunday.

- jpt

UPDATE: Obama spox Bill Burton writes to say, "We want to take Senator McCain at his word that he wants to run a respectful campaign, but that is becoming increasingly difficult when he continually tries to use the politics of association and makes claims he knows not to be true to advance his campaign.  This type of politics of division and distraction, not only lead to a campaign not worthy of the American people, but also has failed to help our families for too long."

McCain spox Brian Rogers responds: "Senator Obama was introduced to the local political scene at the home of an unrepentant terrorist, William Ayers, with whom he has had a friendship for many years. Mr. Ayers was a leader of the Weather Underground, a terrorist group responsible for countless bombings against targets including the U.S. Capitol, the Pentagon and numerous police stations, courthouses and banks. In recent years, Mr. Ayers has stated, 'I don't regret setting bombs . . . I feel we didn't do enough.' Then last week, Senator Obama went so far as to compare this unrepentant terrorist to Senator Tom Coburn, a physician who goes home to Oklahoma on the weekends and brings babies into life. Surely the American people agree that judgment matters in our next president. Senator Obama's long association with an unrepentant terrorist is an issue of judgment, and it will absolutely be an issue in this election."

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Let me ask the question; do you honestly believe the U.S. Senate’s "Foreign Relations Committee" would have a person on their committee “NOT CLEARED”. I would bet that each Senator has a security clearance which means a complete back ground check before being permitted into the Senate. So stop with the Anti-American sentiment to paint Senator Obama has someone we don’t know or someone with an agenda to change America. If anyone has changed this country look at our current President!

Posted by: Martin | Apr 30, 2008 12:40:39 PM

Thank you Senator for running for president and giving this nation real hope for the future. Elitist? Terrorist? These tired political ploys will not decide my vote. My children and grandchildren are depending on me to make the right choice and not be hooked by politics as usual.

Posted by: Radmanaustin | Apr 29, 2008 3:21:25 PM

There goes McCain and the righteous right again. The Right doesn't make up all the BS but they are good at smelling it out and stirring it up. They forget that plenty of their own politicos have been caught or are in jail for some serious stuff. Hillary has learned well from the opposition playbook. People seem to enjoy getting messed with to distract them from the real issues. Facts like:
the country being in the worst shape that it has ever been in.
85% of people are worse off than in 2000
A trillion dollar surplus then is a trillion dollar deficit now
the public is not only divided but now suspicious of eachother
The country's infrastructure is falling apart from neglect
And the uniter Clinton has managed to divide all the different groups the Dems have. The GOP must be rolling in the aisles.

Posted by: all | Apr 28, 2008 11:52:04 PM

Obama keeps lying about his pastor...the man grew up in a wealthy Philadelphia suburb

Posted by: Satan | Apr 28, 2008 12:11:06 PM

Obama's political career was launched in a 1995 meeting at Ayers' home. His own campaign states that they maintain "friendly" relations. Obama's defense is that he was 8 years old when Ayers and his Weather Underground buddies were planting bombs at the Pentagon, the U.S. capitol and other places. True. But Obama was 40 when Ayers said publicly that he doesn't regret setting bombs. In fact he said, "I feel we didn't do enough". I would not maintain friendly relations with an unrepentant terrorist--wouldn't even shake his hand. I hope he will not get one vote in Indiana or N. C. or the other upcoming states because of these "distractions"-i.e., the things that most reveal character and core beliefs.

Posted by: virginia | Apr 28, 2008 8:18:35 AM

Obama worked for Ayers for 8 years. How can he claim not to know him.

Unbelievable. Michelle Obama worked with Ayers wife for 3 years. Amazing.

He will do anything to lie and hide the devious people in his past.

The one's we know about already include Wright, Rezko, Ayers, Larry Sinclair and Donald Young.

Posted by: Chris | Apr 28, 2008 12:02:36 AM

Obama why are you so eager to take power?
do you have the resume for president?
in 2005, you became a senator, in 2007, you missed over 80% vote in senate.
are you a responsible senator?

Posted by: typical white person | Apr 27, 2008 10:23:26 PM

Funny... BO associates for many years as friend and mentee with Rev. Wright, and his response is,
"Well, Bill Clinton is in a picture with him!"

Then it's discovered that BO has associated for years as friend and political ally with Terrorist William Ayers, and BO's response? "Well, Bill Clinton pardoned two of the Weathermen!"
(Who were actually two women who had already served many years' jail time, and had been accessories, rather than direct perpetrators.)

First of all, BO is running against Hillary, not Bill. If Bill made an error in judgment, it's not Hillary's doing. Second, we don't know why Bill made that decision, but at least he was not the terrorists' friends. If those two women he pardoned had said, "I wish I could have bombed more," as Ayers did recently, I'm sure Bill wouldn't have pardoned them. They'd still be in jail!

All the double talk in the world can't get BO out of this mess. What do Michelle O, Rev. Wright, Hamas, and William Ayers all have in common? A friend who says that he likes everything about them except one thing: the fact that they hate America. Smells fishy, doesn't it?

Posted by: april | Apr 27, 2008 8:18:58 PM

google...global poverty act obama and see what this man is all about.

Posted by: Linda D | Apr 27, 2008 3:31:00 PM

Seems like we have a tremendous amount of "SMOKESCREEN" issues comming to the forefront, designed espeecially, to keep American voters COMPLETELY in the dark!!! ~ It seems, also, that NOBODY is bringing up the fact, that Obama was and is promoted and supported by the infamous Chicago Political Machine, which has been in business since the 19th century, and has NEVER been about CHANGE, of any kind!!! ~ Keeping the power and using that power to control all of Chicagoland, by maintaining the status quo, at ALL costs, be their actions legal or otherwise, is what this Machine has always been about!!!! ~ Americans NEED to know about who is promoting the candidates, instead of being "SMOKESCREENED", by the media!!!! ~ Check your facts!!! ~ Can you spell "G_A_N_G_S_T_E_R_S"???

Posted by: Arbuckle Doc | Apr 27, 2008 2:31:11 PM

A drunken Irishman who sleeps around, whose boy thinks catholics act like him.

Posted by: Nelly | Apr 27, 2008 1:43:53 PM

Hillary wants another debate for what the last one got nothing accomplished except for the curators to prove that they could be tough on Obama and soft on Hillary.The media has not been that tough on Hillary to began with, thats because they know that if they start asking Hillary the real truth about past, that her campaign would already be done.To prove that you can look at how much she has lied and the media only reports her lies for a short time,but let Obama speak in the wrong way and apologize it is kept in the news again and again.Example of the the bias of the media when Hillary lied about Bosnia there were reporters on that trip with but not one came forward to say that it did not happen the way she said.But as soon as it was made known that it did not happen that away the media played on it for a short time.The republicans are wanting her too win she easy.Thats why you have Rush pea brain on the radio trying to cause confusion and getting republicans out vote Hillary where they can change their affiliations back and forth.Then you have Mcforgetful who was in cohorts with the Keating Five who swindled thousands of elderly out of their money.So I guess he has forgotten that to.The republicans are afraid of Obama so thats why they can keep up the attacks on him but much of it has no substance.when have Hillary and McCain up on the hill with alredy corrupted. I will take a chance with Obama and an end to the war and who wants to listen to the people and do the right thing for the country than to hav e someone who people on hill favors.

Posted by: damehen | Apr 27, 2008 11:08:26 AM

Karen, you wrote: "Obama had no friendship with Ayers..." It is quite possible that there is nothing there. But Sen. Obama's own remarks keep the questions alive. Here is a quote from Sen. Obama: "(Mr. Ayers is) a guy who lives in my neighborhood...not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis." So they have on occasion exchanged ideas? Were these exchanges only during the board meetings? Or were there other times that they got together?

Posted by: James Danley | Apr 27, 2008 11:00:18 AM

Obama criticizes McCain for engaging in "politics of association".... Obama does the same thing, compares McCain to Bush which is a poor comparison.

Obama is such a faker. Bottom line, he is fundraising with an admitted terrorist, and people want to elect this man.

Posted by: Joe | Apr 27, 2008 5:25:51 AM

Tom Coburn has never bombed any building....he never advocated that kids should kill their parents...

He did not deserve the comparison. Obama's grandma didn't deserve that comparison either. Ferraro should not have been painted a racist with Obama's word brush.

I'm pretty sure that Tom Coburn does not feel like Obama is much of a friend right now.

It is not off topic to take a look at Obama's atrocious judgement...his demeaning comparisons of people...or his affiliations with radical people and churches.

I find myself inclined to believe that Obama is not anti-American. Then I remember in his interview with CNN (Anderson Cooper) he said that patriotism is "hyperbole" and I wonder. Patriotism is something that some of us actually feel..........and it scares me a lot we are perhaps going to elect a man who doesn't feel it at all.

The Republicans constant crying wolf about patriotism may very well cause people to discount the truth when we are hearing it from the candidate himself.

Posted by: Jackie | Apr 27, 2008 4:20:42 AM

Well, as usual McCain is right and Obama is wrong, and a loser. He has been emasculated by a woman and now we shall watch him be torn apart by the Republicans and watch his pastor sell him down the river, faster than he can throw his white grandmama under the bus. You go McCain, You rock!

Posted by: Jackie | Apr 27, 2008 3:35:49 AM

I just have to laugh at anyone suggesting Obama has a relationship with a terorrist...that's just pathetic. Obama knows lots of people. He doesn't do background checks on everyone he knows. He wasn't at those sermons where Wright said bad things about America, and he had nothing to do with this Ayers guy's terrorist activities.
People like Lou Dobbs are just frothing at the mouth trying to find ways to discredit Obama because these old white guys like him are scared to death that someone not from their kind might be president some day.

Posted by: Paul | Apr 26, 2008 11:24:23 PM

Hey Calli,

I'm sure you have not seen the interview!

Lets be responsible

You are being blinded by fear

Posted by: eli | Apr 26, 2008 9:59:37 PM

I'm sure that anyone suspicious, or who lives in Chicago, not matter what, whatever connection, even if it is parking his car close to someone suspicious, this someone's relashionship with be so magnified tha we couldn't even attempt to understand the truth. Look how the media portrayed Obama badly bacause of his pastor. See the interview at PBS with Bill Moyers, you will understand.

Posted by: eli | Apr 26, 2008 9:56:38 PM

lily writes:
"So what do we do with all these people then."

Just don't put 'em in the White House. The country might not be READY -- just a guess -- for a neo-Stalinist president who also claims to be "post-partisan". (Eight years of know-it-all totalitarianism from BushCo hasn't worked out all that well, has it?)

Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 26, 2008 9:29:59 PM

I guess anyone who has ever been associated with Ayers should be shunned and hung out to dry. Maybe the University of Illinois should just be shut down. Oh, maybe that won't be enough for some people. So what do we do with all these people then.

Posted by: lily | Apr 26, 2008 7:37:32 PM

The relationship with Ayers is a lot serious than the one with Wright. Both shows bad judgment, though. So I am also surprised and pondered why the media is not making the case at all out of this while they talked little too much about Wright. The relationship with Wright to certain degree can be forgiven, but with Ayers? We shouldn't forgive!

Posted by: dragon | Apr 26, 2008 7:26:00 PM

It took Mccain 40 yrs to recognize Rev Martin Luther king and acknowledged that his vote against him was wrong. What a hipocrite. How can this man be called a man of honor? What about William Ayers?

Posted by: Churchill | Apr 26, 2008 7:10:25 PM

It took Mccain 40 yrs to recognize Rev Martin Luther king and acknowledged that his vote against him was wrong. What a hipocrite. How can this man be called a man of honor? What about William Ayers?

Posted by: Churchill | Apr 26, 2008 7:10:19 PM

It is so amazing what an ignorant society we live in. The politicians know this and they play on the ignirance of people.

William C. ("Bill") Ayers (born 1944) is a Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago who has worked on school reform in Chicago. He was a 1960s-era radical and a founder of the Weatherman group, which later became the Weather Underground.

Now, I hope you obama haters would ask all those who graduated from Bill Ayers class to return their certificates. I also suggest that their fees be refunded by The University of Chicago.
Also, they must be made to rufund any salaries they may have earned with their degrees.
If you think education is expensive, illiteracy and Ignorance are deadly.

Posted by: Churchill | Apr 26, 2008 6:11:26 PM

Wisdom how selve serving and condescending of you to think people are envious of Obama, now that's an elitist's attitude if I ever read one. Just the reason the other half of the democratic party won't drink the kool-aid. You Obamanites just don't get it do you? You come flamming on with your high and mighty rhetoric thinking everyone should be thinking just like you. Well guess what, look at the numbers you only have a mandate from HALF the electorate, not 60,70,80 or 90%,HALF! That means HALF don't agree with your candidate,sheesh! You people sound like he is running away with the popular vote and he is NOT. Wisdom what an oxymoron, without the oxy.

Posted by: Average Joe | Apr 26, 2008 5:42:53 PM

Wisdom, I, for one, don't hate Sen. Obama. I believe he is very charismatic and certainly a decent person. But I believe he is too inexperienced and that he has used poor judgement when it comes to the people with whom he has associated over the past 20 years. However, my main objection to Sen. Obama is based on his ideology. He (and Sen. Clinton) propose wealth redistribution, doing away with our ownership society and giving goverment more control over our lives. If his (or Sen. Clinton's) plans for womb-to-tomb health care are ever implemented, eventually private medical insurance will be eliminated and the federal government will take full control over our nation's health care system. Then the federal bureaucracy in charge of the health care system will mandate what we can or cannot eat and drink, as well as what products we can or cannot purchase all in the name of preventative health care.

Posted by: James Danley | Apr 26, 2008 5:41:08 PM

It is your patriotic duty to question the people who want to lead our great nation, not follow blindly like they are some rock star and you are some groupie.

Hitler lead while his followers went along blindly.


"Those who fail to learn history's lessons are destined to repeat its mistakes"

Posted by: Mel | Apr 26, 2008 5:35:50 PM

Whoever has the most delegates will win the nomination. So it's really up to the superdelegates at this point

Posted by: erin | Apr 26, 2008 5:29:20 PM

wisdom
and so are your words
it is so interesting to me how obama supporters cannot talk about the issues of this election.
because they do not know what the real issues are.
I wish obama would stop preaching to you all and start telling you exactly what he is going to do for you.

a vote for obama or mccain
is a vote to have a welfare, and soup line coming soon near you.
if you want healthcare for all
and affordable college and this economy back on track vote for Sen. Clinton.

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 26, 2008 5:24:56 PM

jgaw:

vote for whoever you want to......

once again, your words are void of substance...

Posted by: Wisdom | Apr 26, 2008 5:20:36 PM

Senator Barack Obama may not have the experience of a governor or someone who has been a U.S. senator for mulitiple terms.....And no, he did not reach the rank of general in the U.S. Army, Marine, etc...etc.....

But, he does not need to be a governor to be president.....There are plenty of governors he can draw from...He does not have to be a general to be president, he will have military advisors....

The presidency is not a one man show.....Anyone who tries to do this job without seeking out others may get stuck in another type of Vietnam and Iraq.......dumb wars...

So, senator Obama is well qualified to be president....In fact, some of you may also potentially have what it takes......So, stay in school, do your job well, and do whatever else you are led to do.....You'll get help along the way......Only one person can be president at a time....and the time is right for Obama in 08.....

Posted by: Wisdom | Apr 26, 2008 5:18:30 PM

Mel:

folks like you amaze me......He is touched, and so are others through his message of hope, change, and unity....

You just can't seem to get it, huh?

Posted by: Wisdom | Apr 26, 2008 5:10:05 PM

Wisdom,

Inspired is one thing.

Fanatical is a WHOLE other story.

Obama is not the one I would consider "touched".

Posted by: Mel | Apr 26, 2008 5:07:23 PM

I think so may folks out there are envious of senator Obama.....Remember, what he has is God given.......Please stop hating the man because so many people are drawn to his message of change and his charisma and personality.....He is intelligent, capable and smart. It would nice to have a president who is so well spoken and smart.....Now, I do enjoy seeing presient Bush dancing with indigenous "people groups" from different areas of the world....but, that's not enough!!!

Senator Obama will bring prestige and value to the office of president......I just believe there are so many envious folks that they can't seem to help themselves.....

I guess you folks who are so envious can only imagine what it would feel like to have so many people show up at a meeting where you are speaking, right?

Stop being envious and spewing out your hateful words and go do whatever God has called you to do....

Posted by: Wisdom | Apr 26, 2008 5:02:36 PM

Mel:

stop giving yourself away with that silly, worn-out "kool-aid" cliche.....please

Posted by: Wisdom | Apr 26, 2008 4:53:33 PM

Belle Starr:

anything else?

Posted by: Wisdom | Apr 26, 2008 4:50:58 PM

Yrulyblue:

It was senator Obama as a state senator who publicly spoke out against the war in Iraq with these words: "I am not against all wars, I am against a dumb war."

This young state senator had the insight and understanding that Iraq was a sorry excuse to make up for the inability to get bin Laden in Afghanistan......

Senator Obama is the best defense against terrorism. This man has the natural gift to bring people together.....People can say what they want about him, but he did not give himself such an incredible friendly smile; charisma, intelligence, and brillance.....He's been touched by God for such a time as this.....

The days of the bombs are coming to an end as it pertains to solving problems in the world....

As MLK said: "We will either learn to live together as brothers and sisters, or we will perish together as fools."

This is where we are today.....We need diplomacy and peaceful resolutions to these world problems.......Greed and vanity are the driving forces of so much pain and violence......We have got to learn how to coexist in this multi-ethnic and diverse world......

Senator Obama is the right man for this time to help bring about unity in America and the world......note, I said: "help" bring about it....so, we need you and other people of goodwill....

The evil folks will eventually just be destroyed from the inside out.....

Posted by: Wisdom | Apr 26, 2008 4:32:58 PM

Paul Krugman:
"The attacks from the Clinton campaign have been badminton compared with the hardball Republicans will play this fall. If the relatively mild rough and tumble of the Democratic fight has been enough to knock Mr. Obama off his pedestal, what hope did he ever have of staying on it through the general election?"

Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 26, 2008 4:28:48 PM

Yrulyblue:

Thanks for your service.....Yes, I have a combined 10 plus years of service (Army & Air Force)......

President Clinton did not serve....and he did well as a Commander-in-Chief.....

Senator Obama is qualified to be Commander-in-Chief.....

Posted by: Wisdom | Apr 26, 2008 3:29:45 PM

Wisdom,

Yes I have 7 1/2 years of service, I'am a disabled Vet service connected. I served doing the first Gulf War. Yes this a stupid war, all i'm saying is put your money where your mouth is. When I joined i did not care who the pesident was, or what war was going on. In my family it is a tradtion to servre. We have lost love ones to war. No one person can stop this war. So, don't believe the hype. Has Obama served? Have you?

Posted by: YrulyBlue | Apr 26, 2008 3:19:12 PM

jgaw:

How do you know what Dr. King would have thought about senator Obama. Dr. King had his PhD and led a bus boycott when he was 26 years young. He was the youngest to receive the Nobel Peace Prize at 34 years....As much as Dr. King accomplished, he was killed at 39....


Senator Obama is 46......Just because you learned of him during the 2004 Democratic Convention does not mean he hadn't prepared himself. Do you think you have to know somebody before they are qualified to be president? You may very well not know who will be become president in 2016....It might be some you never heard of...even me!!!!

Do you know me? Alright then....so leave the senator alone; because he is qualified whether you knew him or not in 2001....

What if someone run through your entire life, do you think you will be qualifed to run for president?

People need to look in the mirror before they keep judging this man....

Posted by: Wisdom | Apr 26, 2008 3:18:51 PM

dgh,
We lost twice that day, Florida can't get voting right.

Posted by: YrulyBlue | Apr 26, 2008 3:12:21 PM

Yrulyblue:

Have you ever served in the military? And why would any soldier and/or Marine want to go fight in a dumb war? This war Iraq should have never been authorized and/or waged.....This is a dumb war!!!

Posted by: Wisdom | Apr 26, 2008 3:09:27 PM

As far as Florida is concerned, we were all told to vote by the Florida Democratic party. It was on the news and all the local newspapers. There was an important tax issue to vote on and there was record turnout. If you did not vote, you did not want to be involved.

Posted by: dgh | Apr 26, 2008 3:07:49 PM

Rush, Hannity, Rove, Colter are laughing all the way to the bank as they spew out the venom and people just take it as truth.Don't you realize what they really think..... these people are so stupid and ignorant they'll believe anything we say.Their too stupid to think for themselves. Hillary has gotten just as bad during this campaign. She'll crawl in the gutter with the rest of them just to win. God help us all.

Posted by: linda anderson | Apr 26, 2008 3:05:38 PM

All you guys and gals that want Mr. Obama to win go and join the military before he takes office. You want have to worry about going to Iraq. ha ha ha..., And maybe rev. Wrong will have a faith based post in the whitehouse. Don't forget go serve with your president. Put your money where your mouth at. Life is larger than a cpu screen and keyboard.


Wake up before it's too Late

Posted by: YrulyBlue | Apr 26, 2008 2:52:29 PM

The only agenda Obama wants is to use the stick of the Federal government to prod the masses into handing over the fruit of their labor to the politicians, State workers and Rezco types. After the aforementioned get their cut, whats left over can be distributed to the people (equally of course). Which won't be much. You can count on it.

The bottom line is the more money the people can keep in their pockets the more free choice the people will have to invest,spend,save and contribute to the charity of their choice. It's called the free market. When the Federal Government takes the peoples money (by force of law) the more likely it is the money will be wasted on large do nothing bureaucracies, corrupt politicians and too numerous to count, Rezco types. At least McCain wants to let the people keep some of their money and not raise taxes like Obama and Clinton do.

Posted by: simpson | Apr 26, 2008 2:50:08 PM

Chipo65:

senator Obama will win!!!!

Posted by: tony | Apr 26, 2008 2:30:43 PM

jgaw:

You much words do not produce wisdom....

He's running because of what Dr. King said: "The fierce urgency of now."

Posted by: Wisdom | Apr 26, 2008 2:20:14 PM

McCain will do nothing to help our economy.

Posted by: lulu | Apr 26, 2008 2:13:46 PM

"if Clinton "steals" this away from Black Americans there will be riots in the street ... I do care when a campaign is based on the slogan "change" and then they fail to tell us just what they change is or how it will be implemented."

Well, there could be FOOD riots in the streets before November. Maybe the point of the Democratic "leadership"'s stupidity in elevating the "diversity" candidates is to so inflame the black and white underclasses against each other that there's no chance of their getting together to overthrow this crap, electorally or any other way.

As to Obama's refusal to debate, it's not about schedules, it seems, but just a simple refusal to debate, period. Maybe he wants to avoid any questions on the Ayers-Exelon thing. I don't CARE if he's black, I think he's just a front-man for corporate mobsters.

upi: "Rep. G.K. Butterfield, D-N.C., said Obama told him that if he agreed to a North Carolina debate before May 6, he would have to agree to one in Indiana.

Butterfield said Obama told him: 'I think I want to take my message to America in a different method.'"

Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 26, 2008 2:03:26 PM

The Clintons need to focus on the small towns and the middle class here in NC. The polls say that Hillary is behind almost 10 points but I believe that it will be a lot closer than that.

If she could pull out a win here in NC that would be a great victory for her campaign.

In the long run though, NC is a red state and will stay that way. Many of the states that Obama won in were red states and will not swing his way in the general.

I just wish people could see that Obama does not have a change in the General, not now anyway. 40% of Clinton supporters will either not vote or go for McCain. If you have followed McCain then you would know he is a man we can trust and that has a strong belief in America and feels that he can best unite this country. His beliefs are not static...which is a GOOD thing. He learns from his mistakes...and admits to them. He is appealing to a lot of middle of the road Dems.

Posted by: Raleigh Voter | Apr 26, 2008 2:02:41 PM

Obama = Fatally Damaged = McCain in November.
The only way Hillary has a chance is to win in IN and NC

Posted by: Chipo1965 | Apr 26, 2008 1:56:55 PM

jock,
as an african american, I tried to like obama-
his speech at the convention-for my husband and I was good. but we did not see what all the hype was about
and we did agree he should be someone to watch and we could all see him develop and someday not be suprised to hear he was running for president.
But so soon? so for me I heard him give a speech at the convention-and the next thing I hear of him-HE'S RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT?!
Mr. obama should have made his speech,
started to clear up( what we have now found to be) his questionably associations-put together a coalition of "new friends" with more mod.unifying views-worked a while longer got to be known on the national scene for doing good work-and THEN ran for president.
If he had done something like that he would not be in the position he is in now-yes he is in the lead-since you want to leave fl and mi out-but look at what has happened to the country and the dem. party-look at what has come to light about him.
everything about him now is tainted
people having buyers remorse,black people who support the opponent being told to be quiet. the religious community divided even more.
his shady associates coming to light
mr. ayers and his kind could have continues to live under the public eye radar (as he has for many years) and we would never have needed to talk of him.
I do not think any right mined voters wants to be talking about a possible future president and even flimsy ties to a past terrorist. many of us in the black community could have gone on for a long time not having to deal with the aftermath this election will bring after many friends being split-because we do not feel he should just be given the presidency just because he is a black man.
I could have gone to rest of my days going to my church that teaches peace and love-and never have heard of rev. wright.
I could go on and on-you know it all as well as I do.
for me all I want to deal with when picking a president-is what are they going to do for me and mine
instead this had ended up being all about barack obama
obama had said once-when asked about the presidency-"I think it is a bit premature-for me-I am not ready to be president"
I wish obama had exercised better judgement-and stuck to his own advise.
because I think he said it right then
he is not ready-and with everyday that goes by-we all realize he is not ready.
(except the black-put the brother in voter and the white sen. clinton haters
I wanted to vote for obama and if I had found he was just half as smart as sen. clinton I would have given him my vote
just to help him have a shot at it.
but for me-he is not as smart as she is
the position is to important.
between obama and Sen. Clinton
Sen. Clinton is the one who can get the job done for the american people
this time around.

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 26, 2008 1:53:14 PM

Jock--You are one slippery dude. What we really have before us is fear, no more, no less, and it is your fear. And your fear is that if Florida and Michigan are included prior to the nomination your candidate is screwed.
You probably are also concerned about the Edwards issue. That nagging doubt that is continually just out of reach.
It's not about rules Jock, It's not about fairness. It's about your desire to have your candidate elected for your own personal agenda. 2.5 million voters disenfranchised?, who gives a damn as long as Obama gets elected. That really is your agenda.

Posted by: BikernAz | Apr 26, 2008 1:51:26 PM

The only agenda Obama wants is to use the stick of the Federal government to prod the masses into handing over the fruit of their labor to the politicians, State workers and Rezco types. After the aforementioned get their cut, whats left over can be distributed to the people (equally of course). Which won't be much. You can count on it.

Posted by: Uncle Sam | Apr 26, 2008 1:43:41 PM

I am one North Carolinian NOT voting for Obama. There is much talk going on here, including how Obama refused to agree to a date for a NC debate. It just would not fit into his schedule. There have been few debates between just the two candidates and I wanted it to happen. It is about answering to US, the American people and it does not fit into Obama's schedule...shame! Yeah, he would make a wonderful President alright.

His supporters are also bringing up the race card time and time again. Oh, if Clinton "steals" this away from Black Americans there will be riots in the street. What does that say about Black Americans?? I am sure many of them do not appreciate other Blacks making statements like this on their behalf.

Like it or not, the Superdelegates will decide this. And the MI and Fl votes not counting is just wrong. How unfair is it to discount two large states like that? It was their leaders, and the Republicans who cause that to happen. And what about the other states that did the same thing yet the votes WERE counted??

Lets face it...all politicians take money from all kinds of people....I do not CARE about that! I do care when politicians lie right to your face and then try to explain it away. I do care when a campaign is based on the slogan "change" and then they fail to tell us just what they change is or how it will be implemented.

Rhetoric is the name of Obama's game. No Hillary...no vote for the Dems in the National election. I will NEVER vote for Obama, mainly because just by saying that I do not support him I am told time and time again that I am a racist. Is it possible, maybe, that people do not support him based on many other reasons?

Posted by: Raleigh Voter | Apr 26, 2008 1:41:05 PM

What is "fair" to the voters in FL and MI who did not go to the polls because they were told there was no point, and even Hillary Clinton had said "everyone knows those contests won't matter."

What is "fair" to the people in Michigan who DID go out to the polls anyway, and STILL didn't vote for her. clearly indicating their preference for another candidate.

I don't think it is fair to change the rules because it now benefits one candidate, when everyone has already made decisions BASED on the rules.

Posted by: jock59801 | Apr 26, 2008 1:40:17 PM

"jgaw - If Obama wins it will be because more people vote for him, which sounds pretty "FAIR and SQUARE" to me."

No, it will be because the DNC and African American leaders will make sure of it no matter what the voters think. There is nothing fair about it.

Posted by: Deb in RI | Apr 26, 2008 1:34:36 PM

BikernAz - The problem with FL and MI is a bad job with no obvious solutions. They DID break the rules that BOTH candidates agreed to, but I don't like the idea of taking that out on the voters any more than you do.

But which voters do we dis-enfranchise? Most of the 237,762 voters that voted "uncommitted" in Michigan were clearly wanting to vote for Obama. Clinton only comes out a head in the "popular vote," if you completely ignore those people.

Sometimes it is so obvious what is "fair."

Posted by: jock59801 | Apr 26, 2008 1:34:06 PM

Belle Starr - The Clintons are way more of a "a corporate construct long in the making" than Obama. I wouldn't have used that terminology, but since you brought it up....

Posted by: jock59801 | Apr 26, 2008 1:27:48 PM

Jock---Does the disenfranchisement of Florida and Michigan seem "FAIR AND SQUARE" to you also? Does stripping 2.5 million American voters of their right to cast a ballot and have it counted seem "FAIR AND SQUARE" to you, Jock?
It's something you probably don't want to hear but I believe that those voters went out and expressed there opinion and were robbed, and it is no less than that, by others for whatever reasons.

Posted by: BikernAz | Apr 26, 2008 1:27:07 PM

oh Belle,
no doubt he will win nc
to many buppies there-expecially in the golden triangle area.and many like the crowd he runs with in chicago.
What the working class do not understand is;
for many of these people it Really does not matter who is president
they all have healt ins.
they all have their kids tracked into good colleges
and yes the economy may be a little bad but they will survive it.
For these people maybe they can afford the movement to get a black man into the white house
for the working people we do really do not have that luxury-we really do need
to know what are you going to do for us.
I think obama is all talk.

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 26, 2008 1:24:11 PM

jgaw - The delegates from FL and MI will probably be seated at the convention, but only after the nominee is chosen. That's more than fair, given their flaunting of the rules.

It is interesting to hear Hillary talking about how MI and FL should count, when she is on record from BEFORE those primaries saying "every knows those contests won't count." I actually like Hillary, for the most part, but that is pretty low.

Posted by: jock59801 | Apr 26, 2008 1:24:02 PM

BikernAz - Well, technically I was 'discouraging" the spreading of rumors and lies. I'm not sure how "un-American" that is. You seem to have a different rulebook than me.

I believe in free speech for every nasty comment on here. The answer to free speech is always MORE free speech, and here I am.

Posted by: jock59801 | Apr 26, 2008 1:17:45 PM

jock,
will obama ask that fl and mi votes count?-then I will call him fair and square

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 26, 2008 1:17:44 PM

jgaw writes:
"so the real story is why is obama still in the race for POTUS?"

Probably because the corporate white guys won't let him quit. He seems to have been indoctrinated with the presidential mission as a child, which is quite creepy -- then set up with a state senate seat, zillion-dollar book deals, etc.

I don't worry about his being "left". I worry about his being a corporate construct long in the making.

"I think he will most likely win NC"

I hope and pray he does NOT.

Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 26, 2008 1:15:47 PM

"obama needs to go back to chicago and try to help his people for the sake of helping them and not for political posturing"

Obama started helping people in Chicago right after he graduated. Instead of taking a high-powered lawyer job, he took a low paying job helping families who had been laid off by the steel industry, among other things. He and his church have been helping people ever since.

Posted by: jock59801 | Apr 26, 2008 1:14:39 PM

jgaw - If Obama wins it will be because more people vote for him, which sounds pretty "FAIR and SQUARE" to me.

Posted by: jock59801 | Apr 26, 2008 1:11:22 PM

countallthevotes - Because Iowa, NH, and SC were not included in the rule. They were "grandfathered" in due to their traditional place on the schedule. All of the new plans for "fixing this" next time include the same provision.

Posted by: jock59801 | Apr 26, 2008 1:08:03 PM

jock,
obama has only copied sen. clinton
Sen. Clinton political views are more in line with the moderate american voters
and as far as we know we can connect the dots of sen. clinton.
If there is some politcal history of sen. clinton that we don't already know with this anti-clinton media-believe me it is not worth knowing.
because they have tried to squeeze dirt from every fiber of this woman very existence.
obama is still the BIG ?-he should not be running for president.
and besides I have really tried to do my homework on obama-I look at whatever I can find and keep my own counsel about him. I have also looked at how biased the media is-which will also cause me not to vote for him
IF by some miracle obama wins
it will not be
"FAIR and SQUARE"
so so much for the change and hope and above the fray, and I'm running a new kind of campaign obama.
obama-the unknown new kid on the block with the old school politics.
obama needs to go back to chicago and try to help his people for the sake of helping them and not for political posturing

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 26, 2008 1:07:15 PM

Of course they can't bring all the troops home right away but they will start. Whereas, McCain is hell bent on keeping us there with no end in sight.

Posted by: moe | Apr 26, 2008 12:58:15 PM

belle starr
thanks,
so the real story is why is obama still in the race for POTUS?
I think he will most likely win NC
because of my dear black brothers and sister following him blindly
and the really anti Sen. Clinton white crowd.
none of them really voting FOR him-because we do not really know what he stands for.
so he will win NC.
but none of the others.
OBAMA will not be POTUS 2008

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 26, 2008 12:57:26 PM

yrulyBlue - Rev. Wright was a Marine and DID fight for our country. He also got a commendation for helping save the life of President Johnson. Boy, that all sounds real "anti-American" to me!

Posted by: jock59801 | Apr 26, 2008 12:56:53 PM