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Why Can't Obama Win Pennsylvania?*

April 22, 2008 1:55 PM

There's this presumption out there, it seems to me, as if it's just a CRAZY notion that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, would be able to win the Keystone State, like the idea is INSANE, just unfathomable, as if the state consists of Bill, Chelsea, and les freres Rodham.

I don't begrudge the Obama campaign for successfully setting Sen. Clinton's bar so high -- that's its job -- and of course I understand that in order for Clinton to have a real shot, she needs a big W so as to eat away at Obama's 800,000 popular vote lead, and to make the argument to super-Ds that states such as Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Florida are a problem for him.

Fine, fine.

But what's so crazy about the idea that the Democratic frontrunner -- flush with cash and outspending Clinton 3-to-1, running against a candidate with such high unfavorable ratings -- should be able to win a blue state primary?

Just because Clinton has the support of the governor and the mayors of the two largest cities? So what? This isn't about Ed Rendell.

After Obama swept Wisconsin, doing well if not winning in key traditionally Clinton-backing constituencies -- labor voters, seniors, white women, Jews -- his campaign put forth the notion that he was about to put this thing to bed. But then the dynamics returned to what they had been -- seniors, women, whites, and blue-collar voters for her; educated voters, blacks, young voters and men for him.

Why can't the frontrunner win working class voters?

The Obama campaign may likely spin tonight's outcome as a W for him as long as she doesn't win by 25 points. I, for one, ain't buying it.

- jpt

* If Obama wins Pennsylvania, despite all public polls and predictions by the Clinton and Obama campaigns, I apologize in advance for this posting.

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OBAMA cannot close the deal. Why? Cause the "the new politics"is a lie. He's been more negative than Hillary. You totally lost me when you said the Clintons's were racist. I don't have a racist bone in my body and I still think Hillary is the best candidate.

Posted by: oh yes | Apr 23, 2008 10:58:22 PM

MIke in Texas writes, "Obama had 6 weeks and a 3to4 to 1 spending advantage to re-introduce himself and "connect to the voters". He flat out failed!"

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No offense Mike but you do realize there are people in this forum who are actually SMART enough to understand that he was 20 POINTS behind Hillary. Low and behold she wins by only 10 points without there being ANY change in the number of delegates, etc. The fact that you (and it seems others) can't grasp that is a little scary.

Posted by: Dems | Apr 23, 2008 9:31:09 PM

Why Can't Obama Win Pennsylvania? Real simple. Whether people want to accept it or not these blue-collar white voters in Pennsylvania won't vote for a black man. Simple as that. They are uneducated people who can't make a logical vote. They will vote for John McCain in the fall over Obama, which is a vote AGAINST they're economic interest, which is a FOOLISH vote!! Cut your nose off to spite your face blue-collar white voters because Barack will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. Also when John McCain does nothing to help your economic situation. I don't want to here you cryin' and whinin' about how bad things are for you. Nobody will care because you had a chance to CHANGE that. You won't vote for the man because he is black and that's the bottom line. That is FOOLISH, NOT USING COMMON SENSE, STUPID, DUMB etc.

Hillary can't catch him in the delegate count and the Democratic Party is not willing to risk the fallout of losing the voters that have voted for Obama.
Mainly the African-American vote.

If they take this nomination away from Obama and he has earned it fair and square you will see the Democratic Party lose its most loyal base.

Some White democrats are simply fickle and when they get mad then they protest by voting against what is best for them in the long run. THAT IS SOOOOOOOOOO STUPID!!!!

You're letting your emotions cloud your better judgment. Frail emotions change like the weather and when you come back to reality and realize what you have done then it's too late. It's like acting out in a road rage situation. You take the law into your own hands because your stupid emotions took over and clouded your judgment, now you do something stupid like kill someone and you go to trial and go to jail for 20 to life. Now was that decision better for you and your family? Or should you have used some logical reasoning and calmed yourself down, realizing that letting your anger get the best of you is going to put you on the losing end.

You will regret putting McCain in office. Then you will end up more bitter than you already are.

Posted by: Dennis In Orlando, FL | Apr 23, 2008 8:29:26 PM

Obama's supporters are so heavily invested in his campaign that they grasp for any straw. Hence the continued she cannot win the nomination narrative.

Obama had 6 weeks and a 3to4 to 1 spending advantage to re-introduce himself and "connect to the voters". He flat out failed! Remember the long running chant of "everywhere he has the chance and time to personally campaign, he wins"! His campaign, despite such mantras, continued pronostications and wishing, seems to actually be imploding.

If Obama were everything he is proclaimed to be, HRC should be long gone by now. Yet she is still winning primaries, has a solid non-yeiding base, and shows more resilence and fortitude every day.

Pudits say "math" dictates HRC "cannot" win. Yet, I have yet to see a pundit delineate the "math" by which Obama "can" win the 2025. I have asked, and still ask, anyone of said ilk to produce such a concrete formula by which he can. Perhaps someone on this blog would be good enough to do so.

Right now, the truth as I see it, is that the only true formula for an Obama win involves HRC "quitting", and that seems highly unlikely.

Posted by: Mike in Texas | Apr 23, 2008 4:09:09 PM

Well, I don't know what the media is up to. However, I do know that the same media that sold us on Bush (not me!) twice and helped the Bush administration push the WMD story in Iraq and helped to push the war, are the same media that is desperately and visciously pushing Obama on us. Uh, no thanks! We would rather make our own choice since the media choices have been utter failures. Since the media loves Obama, they should give him an anchor job or make him one of their useless, bias pundits.

Posted by: irma | Apr 23, 2008 2:23:25 PM

Hillary has already won the Democratic Nomination, since the hardcore, long term Democrats have consistently voted for her. Hillary is the OBVIOUS DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE. Obama has received votes from Republicans and Republican leaning Independents; which is highly suspect. 100,000 new Democrats in Penn. were Republicans switching over. Come on people...the Republicans have nothing to lose since they already have McCain. The question then would be WHY? Why do the Republicans want Obama? I know they don't want a Democrat. So what's up with that?

Posted by: irma | Apr 23, 2008 2:16:20 PM

I have been involved in politics for over 50 years and frankly they are so sleasy so often that all of this is just hype.

First, Hillary Clinton should have won Pennsylvania by a larger margin than she won Ohio. All things being equal she has several major advantages.

1. It is a carbon copy in many ways of Ohio.

2. It is her home state and that is a very big advantage. People who pay no attention to politics will vote for a home state person. As will people who have something to gain by having a local become President.

3. Since she was going to win it anyway, it has been hyped as the only state that matters which will cost her in the General Election.

4. Obama has the most sensible plans that have the best chance of succeeding. Experience alone has never produced a good President. But the media is nothing if not shallow and vapid when it comes to a real debate.

All they are capable of doing is rerunning ads, doing polls and basically gossip the East Coast is so wound up in strategies they do not cover realities or long range objective issues. That favors Hillary as well.

However, the General Election is another matter. McCain is an adult. Hillary for all her experience is not mature or able to think long range.

She and her husband have always immediately and often erroneously blamed or claimed that their problems were those of their victims. Eight years of it got very old very fast and I was a supporter. One person committed suicide, Al Gore's chances were hurt as much by the Clinton games as the Republican impeachment. Frankly repeating that is depressing. And it has already started.

Hillary Clinton swift boated herself. In the General Election she is no match for McCain as Commander in Cheif to any voter who looks at the surface. Bosnia and her Red Phone ad were both monumental mistakes. Sometimes it seems the only game the Clintons play is how much can I screw up and still get away with it?

My son is a Democrat and guess what. He supported Hillary and is now supporting McCain. She damned the Democrats to extintion is his mind.

More and more people outside the state that is currently voting, are tired of the sandbox stuff and will not listen to or vote for a Democrat. They have tuned in turned on to the campaign and dropped out with the endless money spent and refusal of the pundits to cover or discuss issues. Or allow the candidates to really debate.

Meanwhile McCain looks better all the time despite everything at least he is perceived as an adult that is going about the business of government.

It is sad that the East Coast press is into strategy that they do not care about anything else. First, they brought us the War in Iraq and non exitant weapons of mass destruction,as well as George Bush the second. Now we get the next royal dynastic nominee which will make 28 years of mediocrity or seriously flawed candidates from only two families. That should not happen in a democracy.

Posted by: Jill Gering | Apr 23, 2008 2:11:37 PM

With all his money, and all the star power, and all the media who clearly love him, Obama can't win convincingly in the states that will make the difference in November.

Why? Because his popularity is narrow. His wins in caucus states are being touted with equal weight as Hillary's wins in large states. That's problematic. By simply comparing a Win vs. Loss chart it doesn't tell the true story. Caucus wins reflect a miniscule slice of voters in a state.

The General Election looks much more like a primary election in Ohio or PA, than it does a caucus in Wyoming. Maybe the majority of Democrats are tired of the DNC and the media trying to shove this guy down our throats when we KNOW in our hearts he can't win the GE. He's not ready, and he has more baggage than a socialite on a world cruise.

Posted by: Diana | Apr 23, 2008 2:04:11 PM

The real blow came from that farse of a so-called debate the other night...that's why he didn't win PA.

Talk about piling on, ABC anchors Gibson and Stephanopolous, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Rendell, and Nutter.

Posted by: Ugly Politics | Apr 23, 2008 11:07:21 AM

Its OK, he will outspend her 6 to 1 next time, its not his fault those bitter people are so expensive! He just pulled a Romney, but what if it works next time...

Posted by: danglibrul | Apr 23, 2008 10:57:12 AM

I am so tried of the bias and un-objective reporting by the media. Do these guys only look at the cup as half empty or what? Why do we continue to hear -- Why Obama can't put her away? Well... WHY can't Hillary put him away? Look she has lead in double digits in every state and he has manage to cut her lead by more than half and in some cases actually winning the state overall (i.e., Texas -which incidentally no one acknowledges). Now please be objective, Obama is not running against someone un-established, goodness sake this woman's husband has WON the white house TWICE. Please ask the question, WHAT is wrong with HILLIARY? Why can't she put HIM away????

Posted by: pb | Apr 23, 2008 9:01:38 AM

Obama likes to claim he has more political experience that Senator Clinton because of his time in the IL senate. OOn paper he may have but that can be debunked easily enough. The IL Senate meets for a total of 55 days a year.

He claims he has more foreign "policy" experience because he lived in Indonesia and went to Pakistan for 2 weeks. He discounts Hillary's experience and says it was teas, pre-arranged visits, etc....no...Hillary is the real deal

Hillary and Bill were $9 million in debt when they left the WH. Since that they have managed to overcome those odds and made a lot of money. Hillary connects to the blue collar worker because she really understands us.

Between my husband and I we make almost $100,000 per year now. We have 23 1/2 years of experience through our time in the Navy. I have a college degree. The schools we both attended in the Navy were the equivalent of electical engineering school. We live on God's 4 little acres in KS and we live on a dirt road.

Obama doesn't understand this. He doesn't get it. His arrogance and elitism pushes people like us away. We are the luchbucket Democrats in all to familiar Blue State that hasn't been red in 40 years.

Obama took Kansas. But as much as the Democratic Party thinks we will be red in the Red in the fall, they are wrong....we will be what we have been for 40 years. So there goes one of his statea right there.

Governor Rendell didn't say Obama could take Pennsylvania in the fall. He said he would do all he could in November if Obama is the nominee.

Last night just after the primary was called for Hillary she raised quite a bit of money and it is still growing. 80% of that money came from new donors. A tide has turned. People are listening.

Posted by: navyvet48 | Apr 23, 2008 8:43:24 AM

Too many bloggers think that this is a race of "good" and "evil". It occurs to me that the media has not really given Obama's record of accomplishment at all.

And that is because he has little or none....A long term in IL with no real accomplishments. A community organizer? give me a break. I was a community organizer in the 80's and that is not real experience. I think Obama's greatest accomplishment in his early days was a phenomonal voter registration drive.

In IL In 1999, Obama voted against requiring school boards to put Internet
pornography filters on school computers meant for students' use. In
2001, he voted "present" on a bill to keep pornographic book and
video stores and strip clubs from setting up within 10 ,0 000 feet of
schools and churches. In 2003, he voted in the Health and Human
Services Committee for a bill requiring "age appropriate"
sex-education for students in kindergarten through fifth grade.

Despite his talk of promoting reading among inner-city youth, Obama
has repeatedly opposed bills designed to promote discipline in public
schools. In 2001, he twice voted "no" on a bill to let school
districts require unruly students to complete suspensions before they
can be shuffled into a new school district. he voted "present" on an
almost unanimously passed bill requiring adult prosecution for
students who fire guns on school grounds.

Obama has been markedly soft on crime. In 2001, he voted against a
bill that added extra penalties for crimes committed in furtherance
of gang activities. he also voted against a bill making it a criminal
offense for accused gang members, free on bond or on probation, to
associate with known gang members. In 1999, he was the only state
senator to vote against a bill prohibiting early prison release for
criminal sexual abusers.

And in the Senate he co-sponsered a bill that the media used to make fun of....it says that lobbyists can pay for anything as long as the government officials they are lobbying don't sit down. He also voted with big oil interests on the Bush-Cheney bill.

And since then he hasn't had time to chair the committee he was placed on or even vote near as much as Hillary has since this campaign began. His record is mainly this campaign. So we know he's good at fundraising...but we are going to find out if the historic spending levels can buy a state. From Romneys experience I don't think it's going to work.


Posted by: Jackie | Apr 23, 2008 2:41:02 AM

Interesting task, add the delegates each candidate would get from the states they won if they were divied out "winner-take-all" as in the general election. The numbers are quite interesting. Hint, Hillary has won all the large states.

Posted by: pp | Apr 23, 2008 2:15:34 AM

Anyone think that any democrat is going to win in states like Wyoming or any of the small states that Obama won in December. He can't win the big states.

Posted by: Tina D | Apr 23, 2008 12:56:29 AM

I think Hillary won PA for one very simple reason: Bill Clinton. In interview after interview I've read or seen of Hillary supporters in PA, there was a common refrain: a sense of nostalgia for the era of Bill Clinton. A return to the idyllic economy of his administration. He is deeply popular among democrats in PA--as well as elsewhere. One must never, ever underestimate the name brand of Clinton among democratic voters. Afterall, would any other candidate who was insurmountably behind in the delegate math be allowed by the party to remain in the race if their last name wasn't Clinton?

I think we would have seen an entirely different outcome in PA if independents and republicans could've voted in the democratic race today. These two groups aren't predisposed to Clinton nostalgia.

Posted by: ChrisNBama | Apr 23, 2008 12:38:29 AM

Spending money...Give me a break! If Clinton was able to raise the money that Barack raised, she too would have spent it. Dont act like she has standards or integrity. She is a chameleon and changes her colors state by state.

Posted by: Kim from Philadelphia | Apr 23, 2008 12:28:30 AM

Hillary won by 10%, much less than my prediction, but still a very convincing win. Obama can only win states that he will never win in a general election, so you know he is definitely not electable.

Posted by: Ken | Apr 23, 2008 12:23:08 AM

Wiht Pennsysylvania counted- Baack is still winning nationally in every category.Barack is still leading the delegate vote,which is the litmus test and will remain so long as the Clintons dont move the bar or change the game. The Clinton spin is the spin that the media follows. It boggarts and is bodacoius. It is absolutely amazing that Barack has maintained his lead against the Clinton Machine. As a Philadelphian, the Clintons own our Govenor Rendell. Philadelphia politicians are financially indebted to Clintons. Michael Nutter has be bought and sold. For Barack to go up against this established Clinton machine and still maintan his lead is amazing.

Posted by: Kim from Philadelphia | Apr 23, 2008 12:20:38 AM

Hillary trounces Obama by 10 points and the CNN pundits are rolling out the “If Hillary takes this away from Obama the African American base will leave the party. Young voters will leave the party.” The PARTY need to be concerned that women will walk off and then who will do the work and send the money. Give me a break. This is not taking candy from a baby … or is it?

Clinton/Edwards 08. Let’s moveon!

Posted by: AmazonTraveler | Apr 22, 2008 11:50:52 PM

Here's my nominee for Worst Pennsylvania Primary Result coverage -- MSNBC. Olbermann is actually stammering and sputtering, Russert is demonizing the Clintons, Matthews is cackling at Russert's tirade...

Who won? Even with the 24/7 campaigning by the Obamedia??

Posted by: cappamore | Apr 22, 2008 9:32:15 PM

Jake, you were right and your article make some valid points. How come Obama can't win!
Very hard for his campaign to explain that!

Posted by: Rich_PA | Apr 22, 2008 9:30:05 PM

Barack can't with with all the money in the world, all the media in his favor, all his trashing of Hillary, all the left side of the party supporting him, all the BIG endorsements, etc. and still he CAN'T WIN the big States! To me he is a loser!


Posted by: Mary KY | Apr 22, 2008 9:21:03 PM

"Well we all knew Hillary was going to be the winner ... "

Well, nobody DID know that. That was the premise:

"But what's so crazy about the idea that the Democratic frontrunner -- flush with cash and outspending Clinton 3-to-1, running against a candidate with such high unfavorable ratings -- should be able to win a blue state primary?"

DESPITE spending an obscene amount of money in PA -- no "change" there -- Obama DIDN'T, it seems at this moment, manage to buy the WHOLE primary. This is great: maybe it'll catch on.

Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 22, 2008 9:15:54 PM

I think it is pretty clear that race is the primary reason... represented by the fact that white women are voting for a white woman... not being critical, but these are the facts... it doesn't help that in Ohio Nafta-gate broke just prior to the primary, and now Wright and cling-gate... so whatever gains he may have made with aggressive campaigning, quickly lost... but the writing is on the wall in my opinion... she can't win... and I wouldn't vote for her... but he will win the "big" states in November...

Posted by: Sanjay | Apr 22, 2008 9:13:48 PM

Well we all knew Hillary was going to be the winner - but will it be double digits?

Posted by: greg | Apr 22, 2008 8:54:04 PM

MSNBC has just declared Hillary the winner!

Rise, Hillary, Rise!'08

Posted by: LeeLee07 | Apr 22, 2008 8:51:50 PM

"stop saying obama has a "800,000" lead in the popular vote. Every time you do you throw 1.7 million people in florida overboard. it is arrogant in the extreme."

If you count Florida Obama's lead is still about 400,000 - check the realclearpolitics site fot that

Posted by: greg | Apr 22, 2008 8:47:51 PM

Fox News has just declared Hillary the winner!

Rise, Hillary, Rise!'08

Posted by: LeeLee07 | Apr 22, 2008 8:47:46 PM

Why can't Hillary win as BIG in PA as she and Rendell said she could?

Posted by: greg | Apr 22, 2008 8:42:36 PM

Five minutes or so ago, Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews were exchanging stricken looks on msnbc, on having to report that the PA primary is "too early" to call, rather than "too close" to call. It was comical, in a horrible way.

Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 22, 2008 8:39:49 PM

Basically, this is a gender and demographic contest... and frankly, the demographics have always been on Hillary's side. Fortunately, Obama is a stronger candidate for real change.

This is *VERY* good news for Obama and for all Democrats in upcoming years, because the entire Democratic Party will ride higher for longer on the demographics of his supporters. It seems like all she's able to decisively carry are older voters and less educated voters.

Posted by: Mark Kraft | Apr 22, 2008 8:33:58 PM

that is not right
cnn just said the white men voted for the white woman
all the exit polls sofar say it has broke along the line of race.
white women and white men have been voting for hillary.

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 22, 2008 8:25:18 PM

Closed primary. Wisky was an open primary. Obama wins independents handily.

Posted by: Mike | Apr 22, 2008 8:23:52 PM

"Why can't the frontrunner win working class voters?"

CNN's exit polls say that he pretty much just did... with 53% of the male vote compared to 44% for Hillary.

She gets 55% of the female vote, many of them elderly, and gets more of the retired male voters.

So yeah, he *HAS* the working class voter on his side.

Posted by: Mark Kraft | Apr 22, 2008 8:22:48 PM

the clinton machine is broken
the obama machine is rolling right along and donating and trying to buy the best superdelegates his money can get.
I wish people would explain what the clinton machine is?

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 22, 2008 8:21:41 PM

Max, 6 weeks is nothing when you're up against the Clinton machine

Posted by: lisa | Apr 22, 2008 8:17:44 PM

stop saying obama has a "800,000" lead in the popular vote. Every time you do you throw 1.7 million people in florida overboard. it is arrogant in the extreme.

Posted by: john Smart | Apr 22, 2008 8:13:19 PM

sen. clinton has had the deck stack against her on every level
the media has not helped us to examine this obama
so what has happened
the media has been telling us she needs to get out, he is the one.
and we don't know him
so what has happened everytime the voters get a chance to have their say
they keep her in and it gives us a chance to learn him a little more.
and the more we learn about him-the more we know he is not the one.
we need to ignore the pundits and media people and just keep listening to each other we the voters
and we will come out all right.

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 22, 2008 8:09:35 PM

"it's all an excuse for something else, something not attractive."

Yeah, if anybody has RESERVATIONS about a hothouse hustler being elevated waaay beyond his accomplishments, in spite of being pals with mobsters and talking about such elevating topics as "typical white persons" and so on, it must be RACISM, must be about the color of his skin? When you're talking about the U.S. presidency? Horse-pucky.

Maybe, instead, it's something about the "content of his character" that's creeping people out.

Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 22, 2008 8:05:26 PM

I remember when Obama said he could when anywhere given enough time. I guess six weeks isn't enough?

Posted by: max | Apr 22, 2008 7:59:24 PM

I'm an Obama supporter, and I agree.

He has a ton of money, a huge advantage. Why can't he win? If he can't pull out a win now, what's that say of his ability to convince in general? Has he hit a plateau?

What's sad, for me, is that the trite three letter battle cry of "Yes, we can" is that much more philosophically resonant, because I question... CAN we really?

i'm so struck by the deep-seated prejudices that may prove an obstacle too tough to tackle.

this broad vilification of painting Obama with a wide brush as some unAmerican terrorist-sympathizer is flat out ridiculous, regardless of any one of the associations flaunted about with indignant conviction -- Ayers, Auchi, Rezko, Wright, whatever.

it's all an excuse for something else, something not attractive.

but in everyone's intent to dehumanize someone else, oh dears, we are seriously dehumanizing ourselves.


Posted by: Ta. | Apr 22, 2008 7:57:49 PM

If Obama wins that means a win for Rev.Wright, Ayers,Farrakhan and the anti-Americans that think like them.

America deserves better.

Posted by: cindy | Apr 22, 2008 7:37:11 PM

"How could she hug the wife of a terrorist?"

Oh, get real. Yassir Arafat was one of the greatest leaders of the twentieth century, whether you like it or not. Jimmy Carter, God bless him, laid a wreath at Arafat's grave.

Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 22, 2008 7:30:17 PM

Belle Starr,

I think it is a bit extreme to say that Hamas endorsed Obama.

But I do agree with you on one point. The more this campaign goes, the more he looks like an ordinary politician. I think it was wrong for him to disavow Carter.

Sooner or later, someone will have to talk to Hamas. At least, that's what history has shown: South African, North Ireland and so on. So I think that Carter taking this initiative despite all the critics is rather courageous.

It is the can of courage that today politicians don't have, especially when they are in the mix of a political campaign.

Did you see Hillary yesterday? She was threatening: Bomb, bomb, bomb! Bomb, bomb, Iran!!!

Posted by: Lance D. | Apr 22, 2008 7:04:23 PM

"Why is it that the early exit polls always favor Obama, only to be proven wrong by the final results."

Maybe because people are now literally AFRAID to say anything else, for fear of being kept track of, and/or labeled "racist". That's the problem with polls in general: people don't tell the truth to strangers on the telephone -- why WOULD they, considering that the government keeps a dump of electronic communications?

Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 22, 2008 7:01:23 PM

* Clinton started out 25 points ahead in PA
* Clinton had the support of the popular Governor and the whole state apparatus
* Bill Clinton won in PA 3 times - the primary and general in '92, and then again in his reelection campaign in '96. He has been campaigning hard there.
* Hillary had family roots in PA
* The PA demographics are favorable to Clinton (whiter, less educated, poorer, more women, more Catholics, and more people over the age of 65 than the national average)
* These advantages are priceless, so of course Obama had to spend a lot more money than Clinton. What being outspent 3-1 really shows is that Clinton is broke and can't raise the kind of money Obama can. If she had more money, she would have most certainly used it.
* It also shows that Obama is competing in every state, which is the strategy that has won him more states, votes, and delegates. Not fully contesting every state has not worked well for Clinton.
* Clinton's own Pennsylvania spokesman said Clinton would be “unbeatable” in Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Buckk | Apr 22, 2008 6:57:12 PM

"trust me, it's frightening."

What's frightening is that the media and the Democratic "leadership" tapped a good-looking opportunist with a record that's long on corporate privilege, and who has a talent for stammering out both sides of his mouth on any subject, as a possible Democratic Party nominee.

What's frightening is that Obama thinks it's fine -- on a day when he's seeking votes from crossover Republicans -- to diss Jimmy Carter for meeting with ANYbody Carter WANTS to meet with. Especially because Hamas endorsed Obama.

Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 22, 2008 6:47:12 PM

@Satish....

If you people would educate yourself and stop listening to the soundbites that the media avails, you would realize that Obama's comments, albeit mangled, were not elitist whatsoever! A supporter asked Obama whether or not he thought that white people weren't voting for him was simply because of his ethnicity. Obama took the high road and told them the same thing that he told Charlie Rose in 2004. The working white voter is tired of being lied to by the government and are bitter that they're losing their jobs to immigrants or overseas. If the word cling would have been substitued with turn to and bitter would have been substituted with frustrated, this would be a non-issue.

BTW, if you don't think that the working class of Americans have received a great education, then why are we near the bottom compared to other countries. A fact is a fact and I dare you to conduct your own survey regarding the location of Iraq or even basic U.S. policy...trust me, it's frightening. Well-informed voters (not elitist voters because I know some people who are self-taught and didn't graduate from high school)should be the ones that will write our history.

Unfortunately, people will vote because someone shoots whiskey, went duck hunting or plans to obliterate Iran. It's really sad when you think about it!

OBAMA/WEBB '08 & '12

Posted by: Roxanne | Apr 22, 2008 6:29:27 PM

Thank god there are journalist out there that aren't drinking the Obama kool aid.

Posted by: Harley. | Apr 22, 2008 6:21:16 PM

"can i just eat my waffles"

Obama jettisoned the waffles gambit today, and went back to dissing Jimmy Carter -- the rural white guy who DID win a Nobel Peace Prize -- for meeting with Hamas. (Apparently the tender candidate judges that most of today's non-"left" voters aren't aware that Hamas ENDORSED Obama).

Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 22, 2008 6:09:51 PM

Indeed. Hillary Clinton's familial and personal ties to Pennsylvania are actually more substantial than Obama's ties to Kansas, which he's never personally lived in... whereas Hillary spent her summers in Pennsylvania, and had the same kind of family ties from there.

Posted by: Mark Kraft | Apr 22, 2008 5:48:46 PM

She was way way way ahead in polls (Feb 25th she was up by 20 points!), her grandfather is buried in the state and it's a conservative (not in the political sense, in the living sense) state. Yeah Obama out spent her - he has more supporters - but very few knew who he was until March in Penn. So give the fella a break.

How does this reporter have a job?

Wow.


Obama 08!

Posted by: david | Apr 22, 2008 5:44:10 PM

"Had the media done it's job instead of swooning like teenage girls, he would have been fully vetted and knocked out of the competition early on."

And John Edwards would be the nominee. There's still time -- and plenty of reasons, including a depression worsening for those outside the upper classes -- to nominate Edwards.

Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 22, 2008 5:27:47 PM

"if they did start a riot, this would be right in line with obama leftist views"

By the time summer rolls around, most poor people, especially in the food-less cities, will have PLENTY to riot about.

Obama, in any case, only has "leftist views" when he's talking to the (white) overseers of the "left" -- for general consumption, he's out there with Bush and Rice, dissing Jimmy Carter for meeting with Hamas (which ENDORSED Obama).

Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 22, 2008 5:23:51 PM

Oh please no one is going to riot if Obama doesn't win. Doug you need to stop saying that.

Posted by: lisa | Apr 22, 2008 5:22:20 PM

Frankly I'm sick of hearing threats of riots if Obama isn't handed the nomination. Had the media done it's job instead of swooning like teenage girls, he would have been fully vetted and knocked out of the competition early on. America will never elect this man. You can count on it. So you'd better decide now if you'd rather have Clinton or McCain in the White House, because those are your only two choices.

Posted by: HoosierSue | Apr 22, 2008 5:19:53 PM

Obama won't win in PA. If he is the Democratic nominee, he won't win the general election either.
The reason--the Obamas and the company they keep seem to have a deep-seated grievance with America, despite their own opportunities and successes.

One can quibble about lapel pins,about America's broken souls and antipathy toward others, about not being proud, about Wright and Ayers, but each of these points and many others fit into a larger narrative. Think about America's reaction to Michael Moore and you will have a sense of what I am trying to say.
Like Moore, the Obamas are far-left, intellectual elites-- projecting arrogant superiority and contempt for the very Americans whose support they seek.
It has taken America a while to understand Obama, but we are getting there...

Posted by: NJH | Apr 22, 2008 5:17:49 PM

"Because of the immediacy all these problems, working class people are less susceptible to Obama's soaring rhetoric, and aspirations of achieving post-partisan, post-racial solidarity."

... especially when the soaring rhetoric's coming from a hothouse electioneer who can't maintain solidarity with his own grandmother ...

Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 22, 2008 5:14:43 PM

TO PEOPLE LIKE Roxanne who said "Working white voters are not educated...Obama wins decisively with those who have a college education and are able to locate Iraq on a world map."-- comments like these are what we ignorant Post graduate Hillary supporters deem as elitist comments!! Somehow there is sentiment that because Obama made only 4.2 mill last year or had a single parent -- his thoughts cant be elitist!!!! U obmabots know that no one said he was elitist -- only his comments were

Posted by: satish raman | Apr 22, 2008 5:13:21 PM

as a black supporter of sen. clinton
obama disinfranchised the black people when they started voting for him without trying to find out who he is,
what he is about, and what he would do
as president.
and doug,
why don't you stop putting your family and the people you came from to shame.
your deceased ancestors are looking down on you crying their souls out bacause of what you have written here,
stop disgracing the family you came from
someone you know or are related to expects better of you.
and since none of us know you,
or will know you, stop disgracing your self before the cosmos

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 22, 2008 5:08:24 PM

the nomination process is about getting delegates and trying to reach 2025 before the other person gets there--you are an idiot!!!! abc news is biased toward clinton why don't you report the news!!! even if clinton wins by 15% she will only get a net of 15 delagates--that is why his lead in delegates is so important--bush sr. beat reagan in pa and reagan won the election--this is a 50 state plus guam and pr nominating process pennsyvania is just one more state--by june obama will only need 60-70 superdelegates to get to 2025---again abc news sucks!!!

Posted by: william | Apr 22, 2008 5:08:23 PM

@ P 3:15pm
=======================================

Please do your research...Dole won the white male vote in '96! (46% - 43%)

OBAMA/WEBB '08 & '12

Posted by: Roxanne | Apr 22, 2008 5:06:15 PM

Calli
Well said go Hillary

Posted by: Bishop | Apr 22, 2008 5:04:02 PM

When was Hillary the supposed frontrunner??? How about for the year that ended the night of the Iowa caucuses?

I get that you have resentments against the boys, but Senator Clinton was treated as the frontrunner from Day One in this race...until Obama proved he could go toe to toe with her.

Posted by: LESD | Apr 22, 2008 5:03:36 PM

"Why can't the frontrunner win working class voters?"

Possibly because "working class voters" are at jobs which don't allow for watching enough of Obama's $10 million dollars worth of television ads to become brainwashed?

Posted by: Belle Starr | Apr 22, 2008 5:03:32 PM

You don't buy the Obama spin that he couldn't have been expected to win Pennsylvania. Fair enough.

Did you buy the Clinton spin that she couldn't be expected to win Iowa? Or Maryland? Or Wisconsin?

Will you buy the Clinton spin that she can't be expected to win North Carolina?

Posted by: LESD | Apr 22, 2008 5:00:27 PM

If obama had waited eight more years the population would have been the right age. He is out ahead of his time by about eight years thier are to many older baby boomers that are just not ready.more so in the GE. IMO even if he gets the nom, it is going to be a battle.

Posted by: Bishop | Apr 22, 2008 4:58:53 PM

Leaving out FL. and Mi. is the only way Obama can win.

Posted by: Bishop | Apr 22, 2008 4:50:11 PM

The reason Obama can't win in Pennsylvania is that it is a racist state. Governor Rendell said it himself, "Pennsylvanian's are not ready to elect a black man for President." So, unless Obama can change his skin color Pennsylvania is going to vote for Clinton - the reasons are ugly - just like this race.

Posted by: Kate1349 | Apr 22, 2008 4:49:43 PM

Because Obama announced he was running for president after only one year in the senate. Clinton waited seven years before she announced. It's about experience.

Posted by: Ken FL | Apr 22, 2008 4:48:57 PM

Doug,

Are you the Obama supporter that slashed someones tires and threw rocks in someones window because they support Hillary? This is what I'm talking about Obama supporters are sick. It's not Hillary that is playing the divider, its the Obama camp. No matter how bad to talk about Hillary, you are worse. Get your facts straight and have a real educated debate about the issues.

Posted by: Lois, California | Apr 22, 2008 4:46:29 PM

Talking about selfishness?
what about FL & MI voters?

Posted by: crisis08 | Apr 22, 2008 4:42:37 PM

SJ,

I even hope she can beat him by 20%.
Just pray for it.

Posted by: crisis08 | Apr 22, 2008 4:40:02 PM

Doug for you sake I hope she beats him by 15% lol then you can find something else to speak about

Posted by: SJ | Apr 22, 2008 4:35:11 PM

Votes are not in yet...Don't put cart before the horse.....

Posted by: h | Apr 22, 2008 4:34:43 PM

@crisis08: Yes I know I have been subject to that quiet often, I don't write slander I ask questions but trust me don't mention his middle name, his roots, or anything that questions his association because out it goes .

Posted by: SJ | Apr 22, 2008 4:32:07 PM

Now the talk is Hillary needs to win by this margin or she should drop out. Do they ever give this woman a chance?