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Wright Back

April 27, 2008 12:34 PM

Another passage from Rev. Jeremiah Wright's April 13, 2003, sermon "Confusing God and Government" -- perhaps better known as the "God d---- America" speech; watch it HERE -- is making the rounds.

Wright says in the sermon, of the Iraq war, "we say that God will bless the shock and awe as we take over unilaterally another country, calling it a coalition because we’ve got three guys from Australia, going against the United Nations, going against the majority of Christians, Muslims and Jews throughout the world, making a pre-emptive strike in the name of God. We cannot see how what we are doing is the same thing that al-Qaeda is doing under a different color flag -– calling on the name of a different God to sanction and approve our murder and our mayhem.”

Writes conservative commentator Jim Geraghty at National Review, in a preview of Republican (or Hillary Clinton) talking points to come, "Permit me to propose a new rule: If your mentor of 20 years has ever declared the United States to be ‘the same as al-Qaeda, under a different color flag, calling on the name of a different God to sanction and approve our murder and our mayhem!’ you are ineligible for the presidency."

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was asked about Wright's resurgence in the public today on "Fox News Sunday."

Quoting Wright on PBS Friday, saying the media treatment of him was unfair, unjust and untrue, anchor Chris Wallace asked Obama if he thinks that Wright is just the victim in this controversy.

"No," Obama said. "I think that people were legitimately offended by some of the comments that he had made in the past.  The fact he's my former pastor, I think, makes it a legitimate political issue.  So, I understand that. I think that it is also true that to run a snippet of 30-second sound bites, selecting out of a 30-year career, simplified and caricatured him and caricatured the church. And I think that was done in a fairly deliberate way, and that is unfortunate, because as I've said before, I have strongly denounced those comments that were the subject of so much attention.  I wasn't in church when he made them. But I also know that, you know, I go to church not to worship the pastor, to worship God.  And that ministry, the church family that's been built there, does outstanding work, has been, I think, applauded for its outreach to the poor. He built that ministry, and I think that, you know, people need to take a look at the whole church and the whole man in making these assessments."

Obama said he did not talk to Wright about his decision to make a series of public appearances, but he earlier had said to him, "Look, we have very strong differences.  I do not agree with the comments that you made.  On the other hand, I regret that you have drawn so much attention."

Obama said, "it's understandable that somebody, after an entire career of service, would want to defend themselves."

Asked by Wallace for specific examples of controversial remarks he recalls hearing from Wright's pulpit, Obama said Wright "has oftentimes talked about some of the problems in the black community in very controversial ways.  I mean, I think -- or in sharp ways, in ways that are provocative. You know, he will talk about the failure of fathers to look after their children in ways that, sometimes, people might be taken aback by. He can use street vernacular in his sermons in ways that people wouldn't expect to hear in church ... he has certainly preached in the past when I was there about the history of race in this country in very blunt terms, talking about slavery, talking about Jim Crow. The problem -- and I pointed this out in my speech in Philadelphia -- where oftentimes he would err, I think, is in only cataloging the bad of America and not doing enough to lift up the good. And that's probably where he and I have the biggest difference."

Wright will speak at the National Press Club Monday morning.

- jpt

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On his radio show yesterday, Hugh Hewitt played excerpts of Barack Obama reading from his autobiography, Dreams of My Father. In one, Obama remembers a sermon by Rev. Jeremiah Wright:
There entails a description which includes these words that Obama remembered and wrote in his book:

"It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere ... That's the world! On which hope sits."

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There is your "change and hope" obama supporters.

Posted by: Observer | Apr 29, 2008 6:57:33 AM

Here is obamas' pastor of 20 years...."“Africans have a different meter, and Africans have a different tonality,” he said. Europeans have seven tones, Africans have five. White people clap differently than black people. “Africans and African-Americans are right-brained, subject-oriented in their learning style,” he said. “They have a different way of learning.”


Wow.

Posted by: Observer | Apr 29, 2008 6:44:06 AM

Wright has honorary degrees from seven institutions, including Colgate University and Valparaiso University -- NOT EXACTLY HOTBEDS OF BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY OR ANTI-AMERICANISM.

The "America's chickens have come home to roost" phrase was not even Wright's: he was quoting from an interview on FOX NEWS with Ambassador Edward Peck.

Broaden your minds, people, and do your homework.

Posted by: herzliebster | Apr 28, 2008 1:31:01 AM

"I've said before, I have strongly denounced those comments that were the subject of so much attention. I wasn't in church when he made them." - Barack Obama

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The first Wright sermon Obama heard. ... - By Mickey Kaus - Slate ..."White Man's Greed"Obama's very first service at Wright's church was ... controversial. .... where white folks' greed runs a world in need, aprtheid in one ...

Posted by: OxyCon | Apr 28, 2008 12:26:26 AM

I sure hope "Fitty Cen'" makes up his
mind about whom he's backing for the
DEM nominee. It will help me make up
MY mind. Won't it hep you, too?

Posted by: hombre | Apr 27, 2008 11:59:44 PM

Rev. Wright just spoke at the NAACP dinner and Detroit...he's NOT the crazy, unpatriotic hatemonger that the MSM has portrayed him to be! He spoke how different does not equate deficient...giving examples how blacks clap on the downbeat and whites clap on beats 1 and 3...lol...whites are clapping offbeat, but only to the way European music is written. And, all this time, I just thought white people didn't have any rhythm...different, but not deficient. It's a shame because those who view the black church think that the pastors are screaming from the pulpit...different, not deficient from others. It's unbelievable how MSM has completely taken his words out of context and I think that his re-emergence can only help him to defend his name and that of the black church. Free your mind America!

Posted by: Roxanne | Apr 27, 2008 11:37:15 PM

"Shuck'n jive.." Stop it, Democrats.
Reverend Wright makes Bill Clinton
look like a minstrel. You have a true
man to bridge the ravages of separatism
.........AL GORE!....until you find out
his father's stance on civil rights...
Oh, well, let's try ......hell, YOU
are the party of racism! Ebonics is
superior to what I hear from half of
your Reps on the house floor. If we all
give up and speak Rap.....can't we all
get along?

Posted by: hombre | Apr 27, 2008 11:37:09 PM

Barack Obama needs to remove himself from the presidential race. By his running, he and his cronies have used hatred of whites, of Jews, and sympathy with terrorists who harmed this country during the Vietnam War as support. We need to tell the Democrats: Nominate Obama, and you will get your 50 state blowout. In the direction you do not want.

Posted by: James Marsden | Apr 27, 2008 11:20:44 PM

Obama needs to step down. He and his cronies are becoming more and more divisive and he will never make it to the White House.

Posted by: LB | Apr 27, 2008 10:22:00 PM

To Dave: Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma terrorist, was a former marine and he considered himself a true patriot. Just because you think you are Wright, doesn't excuse your words and actions for being wrong.

Posted by: rs | Apr 27, 2008 10:17:59 PM

its still surprising that people still are holding wright to how sean hannity and right wingers portrayed him to be. Isnt it in american that we are innocent until proven guilty? dont we have a right to present our story before we get judged on? why dont we give wright the same chance? if we base him on his clips then we cant help it but think hes wrong. but if we actually think about what he said with an open mind, we can understand that hes not a racist nor antiamerican...from a 45 yr old white man

Posted by: awc | Apr 27, 2008 10:17:12 PM

HoosierSue said: Those of you who are defending Rev. Wright and Barack Obama need to brush up on Black Liberation Theology. This is what Wright preaches and Obama agrees with.

And I'll say again why do they have white members and a white President of Trinity United Church of Christ if this "Theology" is so bad and hateful? You have no arguement here. It is empty. Please let it go.

Posted by: Dennis in Orlando, FL | Apr 27, 2008 8:49:17 PM

Sharon: May God Bless you.I'm sure there are many more truth-tellers like you out here.Let's hope others speak up and save people from being misguided by spin and hype being perpetrated by those whose interests are mainly selfish.

Posted by: Imagine | Apr 27, 2008 8:48:48 PM

Sharon thank you so much for having an OPEN MIND and looking at things as they should be looked at. Not all, but a lot of white folks in this country have blinders on. Thank God for white folks with some sense. I applaud you. This is how healing our nation and world starts.

Posted by: Dennis in Orlando, FL | Apr 27, 2008 8:36:39 PM

Those of you who are defending Rev. Wright and Barack Obama need to brush up on Black Liberation Theology. This is what Wright preaches and Obama agrees with.

Posted by: HoosierSue | Apr 27, 2008 8:31:58 PM

I have read these whole sermons, researched the church, Pastor Wright, and the long list of involvements and accomplishments of Pastor Wright. The "God Damn America" was a shocker, but when reading it within the sermon it seems to lose the "big impact". Sermon was about God and Country. Message left with me was God will never fail you, even if your country does. Reach to God to find strength. God will always be there.

FYI - I am caucasian and felt message was touching and uplifting.

Several countries were mentioned and several races were mentioned. I read the interview done recently. I don't pretend to fully know the precise theological methods used when developing a sermon. But I did understand what he was saying. I do not believe Pastor Wright is truly unpatriotic nor did he mean to be. I do believe Pastor Wright did live through many of the racial prejudices in United States. Some of his references in sermon are pretty serious. Yes, there was an approved medical research study conducted upon blacks who were diagnosed with syphilis. Certain participants had medication with held to study symptoms as they developed. Certain participants were given medication. Total medical embarrassment and caused a huge uproar. Also was reference to early scientific medical research theory AIDS was caused by a "virus mutation" during medical vaccination research study. Also involved blacks. Researchers and medical community have dismissed. I have not thoroughly researched enough to get any indication what is there and what is not.

How can we say this is man is not patriotic?? After graduating college he volunteered to serve this great United States for six years. Pastor Wright did not attempt avoid as many have. He served our country readily.

If we had not heard the "hit remarks" over and over again, we would be applauding everything Pastor Wright and his church have done. My research reveals he is well respected.

Everyone have a heart and wish this gentleman well in his retirement. I found he has accomplished some wonderful much needed programs. His HIV and Hospice outreach programs were truly great. I mention only these as I am partial to medical programs.

I wish him well!!! We can stop these old time dirty political games. This is 2008. It has been used in the past and it worked. We are a different country today. I know we can do it!! Let's show them.

Posted by: Sharon | Apr 27, 2008 8:25:25 PM

Cindy in NC said: Filling young minds with hate for our country, and hate for white people is not very honorable.

First of all as a fellowservice person I thank you for your service but I disagree with you because you are wrong. I only deal in facts and not in rumors and interpretations.

First of all you need to be carefull how you choose your words. He did not, and I repeat, he did not teach anyone hate for white people.

If he did then why are white ministers coming to his defense? Hmmmm?

Secondly why does his church have white members. You need to go to google and type in White Catholic priest defends Rev. Jeremiah Wright pt1. This white catholic Priest also referred to Minister Louis Farrakhan as a friend.

Kinda hard to teach people to hate white folks when you are friends with them. Also did you know that the President of Trinity United Church of Christ is WHITE?

Posted by: Dennis in Orlando, FL | Apr 27, 2008 7:59:55 PM

If Barack Obama had simply been a member in attendance at a given church for a short period of time and had no idea of what type of racism, hate, and treason that its pastor stood for, the content of Jeremiah Wright's sermons would be of little or no consequence.

Such is not the case regardless of how far Barack Obama tries to distance himself from the political fallout of a wrong, Wright association.

The fact is that Barack Obama attended the Trinity Church of Christ for over twenty years where Jeremiah Wright spewed out his haterful venom of division, destruction, and treason.

The fact is that Barack Obama and his wife Michelle were close enough to Jeremiah Wright to have the man unite them in marriage.

The fact is that Barack Obama and his wife Michelle were close enough to Jeremiah Wright to have the man baptize their children.

The fact, by Obama's own statement, is that he considers Jeremiah Wright as an extended family member, specifically an "old uncle," and a spiritual mentor.

After evident spiritual intimacy, for Barack Obama to proclaim publicly that he was not aware of the political views and message content of Jeremiah Wright's gospel is to suggest either a significant level of incompetence, recurring lapses in memory, intent to mislead American voters about his true political motivation and spiritual beliefs, or a combination of the above.

Posted by: Jayhawk | Apr 27, 2008 7:37:17 PM

I was in the Army Reserves for a few years and I also served my country by teaching high school kids for 27 years.

Filling young minds with hate for our country, and hate for white people is not very honorable.

I do appreciate that Wright served our country. I wish he still did.

My dad was in the Navy and fought in WWII. I will always defend America.

Posted by: cindy in nc | Apr 27, 2008 7:35:42 PM


Wright is back because the add of Repubs in NC is starting to run on Monday.

On Friday, in the NPR (among others) interview, Mrs. Daves said that even McCain couldn't stop it.

Posted by: magda | Apr 27, 2008 7:09:05 PM

Leanza - Obama has specifically stated Wright is NOT his mentor. If you took the time to read Obama's books, you'd realize that he isn't just making that statement now.

As for the Moyer interview, at leat there's still one real journalist still living in the United States. There don't seem to be any in the mainstream media.

What the media did to and with Rev. Wright is far more troubling that anything Rev. Wright said or did.

Posted by: C Watson | Apr 27, 2008 7:01:30 PM

Timothy McVeigh was in the Army and from what I read, a very good soldier.

At sometime in his life he began to hate this country. Being a marine doesn't guarantee that Wright still loves this country.

How could he preach such horrible things about America and spread that idea to young people in a church, and still profess to be patriotic?

He and Obama got caught and now they both want us to forget what we saw and heard. The Rev.Wright issue will follow Obama throughout his career.

Posted by: cindy in nc | Apr 27, 2008 6:34:08 PM

Every 10 minutes there is footage on CNN of Rev. Wright. the media barage us with inflamatory clips all designed to insight a reaction.

Obama. Obama is not radical. He is not inflammatory. He is decent and our best shot.

Time to get this nomination done so we can get to the general election.

Hillary Clinton now comes on and I wince. I have to mute to audio now just like the hideous grating HEAD ON commercials.

Posted by: Jeanie | Apr 27, 2008 6:32:09 PM

I have read what Rev. Wright has said, and shockingly, much of what he says makes sence. Especially coming from a black minister in a black congregation in Chicago. People don't like to admit it but we have done very little to assimilate in this country. This is a blunt exposure of an issue we all must face. We live in a country that had slavery as a way of life for over 245 years. We need to address the issues. I think this campaign is taking us a long way on a badly needed journey. Barack Obama has denounced the negative words against the US, that's good enough for me. Get over it.

Posted by: Jeanie | Apr 27, 2008 6:23:34 PM

After watching long clips from his two controversial sermons on the Moyers show, I have to say Rev. Wright appears to be right on target. Broadcast of the over-the-top sound bites is deceiving, and is only intended to stir up hate.

I have not witnessed every sermon Wright has given, and perhaps there are objectionable passages, but based on what I've seen, he appears to be an insightful and brave man.

Posted by: scott | Apr 27, 2008 6:16:52 PM

Obama, did not say these things. Rev. Wright said them. How often did Obama actually sit in the pews in church? Possibly not that often. The church is the key church if you are doing community work in Chicago. It is world reknown. People are taking the bait. If you are democrats, don't be distracted by these side issues. The election is more important than that. It's all Clinton has and that is why you are hearing it so much. Hillary on the other hand DID say some things, Bosnia, NAFTA, how about recklessly threatening to bomb Iran and "obliterate" them. Hillary is playing politics in the worst way now and if you buy it then you lose. It's time to come together and nominate Obama.

Posted by: Jeanie | Apr 27, 2008 6:13:29 PM

Wish Moyers had asked Wright why he lives in a multi-million dollar home in a white neighborhood.
But that was just a little snippet ranting about rich white folks. He didn't really mean it.
Sorry, but many Americans aren't going to forget the image of Wright mocking America, cursing America--with the congregation laughing and patting him on the back. It may be a snippet but it is powerful.
And then Obama insults our good sense by saying he didn't know about the sermons,DVD's, newsletters.
A win for Obama is a win for Rev.Wright.

Posted by: cindy in nc | Apr 27, 2008 6:03:49 PM

Did I hear that Rev wright was a Marine?
Laid down his life for this country? Wore the uniform ?
If so,me thinks most of the nincompoops who have been posting should take a deep breath , look in to themselves and THINK for one second.I also challenge any of them to declare their service status: presently or in the past ..before they start blabbering....

Posted by: dave | Apr 27, 2008 6:00:28 PM

Better Obama than a baloney and bull sales woman and former young Republican , corporate lawyer and Walmart board member .

Posted by: Ray | Apr 27, 2008 5:57:10 PM

Obama should debate Hillary and explain why a terrorist is on his website as a supporter and friend of Michelle Obama - as reported by FrontPage:
Terrorist Fundraisers for Obama
By Patrick Poole
FrontPageMagazine.com | Wednesday, April 23, 2008

Two years ago, Hatem El-Hady was the chairman of the Toledo, Ohio-based Islamic charity, Kindhearts, which was closed by the US government in February 2006 for terrorist fundraising and all its assets frozen. Today, El-Hady has redirected his fundraising efforts for his newest cause - Barack Obama for President.

El-Hady has his own dedicated page on Barack Obama's official website, chronicling his fundraising on behalf of the Democratic Party presidential candidate (his Obama profile established on February 19, 2008 - two years to the day after Kindhearts was raided by the feds). Not only that, but he has none other than Barack Obama's wife, Michelle Obama, listed as one of his friends (one of her 224 listed friends).

But his leadership of Kindhearts is not the only thing that has brought him scrutiny by federal law enforcement officials. Last summer, El-Hady was questioned by the FBI concerning his knowledge of possible conspirators in a UK-based terror plot.

Posted by: JTomorrow | Apr 27, 2008 5:49:13 PM

Did you see the unrelated piece

“They don’t trust you because they think you are unreliable and might break, since you don’t have God to rely on,” Specialist Hall said of those who proselytize in the military. “The message is, ‘It’s a Christian nation, and you need to recognize that.’ ” And heaven help those who actually criticize the country's direction.

Bill Moyer's Journal with Jeremiah Wright, first seen last Friday, will be rebroadcast tonight, Sunday April 27 at 7:00 PM EST. So the ones who saw it are thinking McCain is out of touch...or didn't watch. Or doesn't care. And they'll be joined by those who missed the first broadcast, and will also get to see the truly insane and inane media, Clintons and Republicans need to keep Wright a juggernaught for sales, ratings and racists. This interview lets people see how the media is manipulating this entire election cycle. It needs Wright like a junkie needs a fix. And if Wright is no longer the angry black boogeyman, the media has nothing to survive on except the next rip and read.

Posted by: kravitz | Apr 27, 2008 5:46:45 PM

Unfortunately lots of my democrats friends will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee. The current democratic party is being hi-jacked by left-wing activists, who choose to impose their activists' views upon ordinary democrats.

Posted by: demC | Apr 27, 2008 5:44:52 PM

The fact of the matter is that we as Americans are not ready yet for a debate about the repercussions about our government's foreign policies. We are blinded by our desire to be patriotic, which has become a double edged sword. Patriotism brings us all together to accomplish anything we set our minds to; reaching for the moon and stars (JFK), uncovering the human genome, engineering and technology achievements, etc. But Patriotism is also preventing us for asking some cold hard questions. Rev Wright may or may not be correct in what he is suggesting, but he is posing some important questions, and I notice that he is not the only one. Are we ready to look at these difficult questions? 9/11, racism, government transparency, or refocusing of foreign policy? I think not, because each of these quickly leads to emotional and not rational responses, all because of misuse of our heartfelt desire to show our love for America. Unfortunately, in the game of politics, some groups are using this emotional rawness to their own strategic ends. When will we be ready for a real debate and a real change?

Posted by: Jack | Apr 27, 2008 5:18:21 PM

Jackson said: Why won't Obama agree to a debate without a moderator? They have only debated 4 times, not 21 as stated by Obama. They have been in collective debates with other candidates, but not just these two! Obama needs to get his stories straight...

He's winning so he doesn't need to.

Posted by: Dennis in Orlando, FL | Apr 27, 2008 4:35:17 PM

I think I get it!

Rev. Wright is going so far outside the realm of decency to his former parishioner that everyone is going to say that he is either certifiable or a part of the Clinton campaign. And therefore Senator Obama will not have to disavow his mentor, only point out that he could not have listened to someone who is clearly nuts!

But Rev. Sharpton says he is legit so who am I to argue?

Posted by: Tom Mariner | Apr 27, 2008 4:29:18 PM

It's clear the leftists have hi-jacked the Democratic Party. If they put Obama up in November -us centrist soon to be ex-Democrats will dance in the streets when Obama's political career goes down in flames. LANDSLIDE baby.

Posted by: geevill | Apr 27, 2008 4:23:45 PM

Obama's other mentor, Joe Lieberman, is a pro-Israel hawk who wants to bomb Iran. Notice how his relationship to Lieberman is getting zero media attention. Why is that? Is it because it doesn't stir up the outrage of "socially conservative" whites?

Posted by: Bambi | Apr 27, 2008 4:01:56 PM

Does she have anything else to say besides Debate? didn't think so, otherwise she would say it.

Debate is fine, but she is looking for gotcha. That does not help American people.

She is lost primary. If she thinks she's that good then she should feel free to run as an independent.

Posted by: My America | Apr 27, 2008 3:54:02 PM

Al-Qaeda has a goal of imposing Sharia law upon all people. Even countries with a majority non-muslim population. An extremely strict, conservative form of Sharia familiar from the Taliban in Afghanistan.
The U.S. has a goal of imposing representative democracy, with rule of law and minority rights.
To equate them morally is in itself a moral choice.
To consider a man who espouses this equality a "spiritual mentor" for 20 years is a big warning sign of the character of Obama.

Posted by: jj | Apr 27, 2008 3:51:21 PM

Why won't Obama agree to a debate without a moderator? They have only debated 4 times, not 21 as stated by Obama. They have been in collective debates with other candidates, but not just these two!

Obama is a two-faced fraud. He is terrified to sit and debate with Senator Clinton because he doesn't know much of anything at all and EVERYONE will see that clearly. He is weak and scared and full of doublespeak and that is why he should not win and why he would fail against Mccain.

He is also extremely arrogant and cocky and honestly believes that me and other HRC supporters will forget what a fake he is and vote for him anyway.

GUESS WHAT? We won't. I will never ever vote him. As a black person I find his perpetual race card against the clintons and EVERYONE else who opposes him to be disgusting and pathetic.

He has no FAITH in his actual candidacy or he would not have DISENFRANCHISED florida and michigan from a "revote".

He is ALL FEAR and he is all wrong.

Posted by: Gloria | Apr 27, 2008 3:34:57 PM

Pardon me, blood-fisted America, but could you kindly explain to me the error in Wright's sermon?

Some among us asked a Christian (read pacifist) God to sanction and ensure the success of our illegal invasion of a country that, as history has proved, turned out NOT to have anything to do with 9/11, nor did it have any means to harm us in any way (no WMD). We called on that kind and giving God to sign off and watch over our murderous rampage through someone elses villages, someone elses neighborhoods, killing someone elses family and friends. We called on a merciful and benevolent God to help us illegitimately and indescriminately murder and destroy an entire nation of people, and botch the job so badly that we turned a stable (albeit cruel) regime into a bloody free-for-all for every terrorist and war criminal on the planet.

Like it or not, we acted EXACTLY like Bin Ladin, attacking innocents based on our fervent and erroneous conviction that our cause was just. Like Bin Ladin, we hide behind (or should I say cling to?) our God as an excuse to commit murder. Like Bin Ladin, we deserved God's condemnation, not blessing.

So, pray tell, what's erroneous again about this very truthful and CHRISTIAN sermon?

Posted by: fontapa | Apr 27, 2008 3:01:12 PM

The thing that bothered me the most after seeing the Moyers interview is how typical and redundantly self empowering Hillary is with that "he wouldn't have been my pastor" comment...

You know the guy who has been to the white house while she and her husband were there.

Yet any smart person can get through the Dixie Chicks type campaign that we have just seen...

Hillary again used a hard issue for the country for her own advancement...again.

How often I find myself staring at the computer screen and saying why do people want this person as our President.

Why doesn't her supporters see her and the tactics more clearly and will they ever wake up from that. These statements and tactics and her ability to fight (with 4 guys (2 exDNC chairs, an ex President and the RNC nominee all fighting every day as much as she is and getting as much press time) in just the democratic primary -her stronghold- and he beat her even then) are not noble.

In no way can you say they are.

but change is hard. Especially internal change.

Posted by: dl | Apr 27, 2008 2:56:59 PM

You can love this country and lead this country and still dissent with its long and detailed history of oppressive actions toward other cultures and nations around the world, past and present. A patriot does not wait for the present to become the past before he will decry the actions of his country and a Christian ought to recognize the danger in making Uncle Sam a false idol.

Posted by: Travis | Apr 27, 2008 2:51:07 PM

Uh, well done with the all caps, Leanza.

Turning to Reverend Wright, perhaps those of you who have not seen the man's Bill Moyers' interview should watch that. Maybe then you will be able to make the very simple distinction between being against governmental policy, law and action and being "anti-American," whatever that is supposed to mean.

Posted by: Theoryhead | Apr 27, 2008 2:49:13 PM

Leanza Cornett and the rest...you need to here context...

I know I know..."I don't need to hear another hateful words from this guy"

well i thought similarly ...but then I took a breath and thought if this guy was a white vitetnam vet pastor...
so I listened to the Moyers interview...and to his credit Moyers interspursed the interview with lnger tape of those clips...

You suddenly realize ...yes, context is important. Even words like the ones in the clips (and obviously these are the worst things this guy said in 20 years because we have seen nothing worse since sean hannity and bill oreilly put this together) beleive it or not have a different meaning in the context of the full speeches and hearing wright (who is much more intelligent than I thought he would be from those clips) explaining the purpose of saying them.

You realize after watching the Moyers interview and seeing more of his sermons...this may be a case of Dixie Chicks societal fear.

and the American people fell for it again because those who want power out of fear and use fear used the American people worst traits and the fear that they have to control them.

watch the interview...you may be let down...but only if/becasue you are looking for something like this to get yuor candidate (if it is not Obama) to win.

don't let them scare you into hate...this guy might bewrong on a couple things but he is not the devil that they have created...in fact he may be closer to a needed revelation than he is to the devil that he has been created as.

Posted by: dl | Apr 27, 2008 2:45:58 PM

What Obama needs to do is tell what changes he is going to enforce. In rev. Wright's sermons the congregation appalaud his sermons as they approved of the message. I suspect Obama did the same when he was present. What about Gary, IN schools busing students to vote using tax money. I thank he is foolish to thank the least.

Posted by: charlie | Apr 27, 2008 2:42:01 PM

For those distressed about Wright. Look at the whole picture-what else Wright has said and done. Then also look at Hagee, Robertson and Falwell. Try not to have a double standard. I challenge you to be fair.

Posted by: a.t. | Apr 27, 2008 2:42:00 PM

Reverand Wright is a remarkable person.
He is a true patriot and man of deep faith. It is obscene to think that his many wonderful contributions to this country would be minimized by spinning only a few "controversial" snippets of his many, many sermons. Look at the entire human being and his life's work before casting him into the scrap heap out of ignorant hate. Reverand Wright will be "righted" before this media lynching is over. You can not hide the strength of his love, compassion and truth.

Posted by: sfrank | Apr 27, 2008 2:41:25 PM

it seems to me that the christian right has hijacked christianity in this country--rev wright has every right to preach against war--by the way the methodist church was against the bosnian war, the afghanistan war and the iraqi war--my pastor was arrested for protesting against the iraqi war--the christian right was pushing this war--whatever happened to blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called son's of God?

Posted by: william | Apr 27, 2008 2:38:09 PM

I wonder what Obama thinks of Al Sharpton's remarks about "closing down the city" in response to the Bell case verdict?
Posted by: Aggieboo65 | Apr 27, 2008 2:31:38 PM

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Al Sharpton's feelings are difficult to understand for typical white people. Barack is for hope and change and new kind of politics which means - of course- you should allow Al Sharpton to close down the city.

Posted by: dem | Apr 27, 2008 2:37:05 PM

So what, of Rev. Wright's comments about the Iraq War, is wrong?

Seems to me he hit the nail right on the head.

Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | Apr 27, 2008 2:35:33 PM

Sorry, I meant what does WRIGHT think about Al Sharpton's comments about the Bell verdict...

Posted by: Aggieboo65 | Apr 27, 2008 2:34:58 PM

for all of you defending this obama and his pastor-because you "understand" them so well.
Explain why he had to say the things he said about sen. clinton?
and why did he have to say
conda "skeezer" rice?
I thought a preacher is suppose to uplift the people he serves.

Posted by: jgaw | Apr 27, 2008 2:34:38 PM

since when is wrong for a christian to question war? what would jesus do--we know now that the united states went to war because of bush's lies

Posted by: william | Apr 27, 2008 2:33:48 PM

I wonder what Obama thinks of Al Sharpton's remarks about "closing down the city" in response to the Bell case verdict?

Posted by: Aggieboo65 | Apr 27, 2008 2:31:38 PM

Hmm I'm thinking there really isn't a lot of difference in the messages Rev. Wright preaches or what Bill Clinton espouses to.

One preaches black hate the other talks in veiled tones to support white hate. Clinton uses his political talents to disguise his hate, but he sure has those white male voters in their wife beater shirts all stirred up. Rev Wright has the black voters stirred up. No wonder we are in these hate waging war of words.

Both men preach hate and both are pandering to the race baiting this country has to get past. People we really do need to look at someone for WHO they are not WHAT they are if our country will remain great.

Posted by: Older Texas W/Woman | Apr 27, 2008 2:28:50 PM

What has happened to this nation that people want to say someone should be ineligible for public office based on what their pastor preached in a religious sermon? Rev. Wright did exactly what preachers in his tradition have done for ages, and should continue to do. They challenge the consciences of their congregants, sometimes using expansive and exaggerated language. The self-righteous sense of nationalism that we see expressed here has become epidemic lately. The opinions expressed Geraghty (of course, he is entitled to them), are what should be challenged, as they go against the very rationale of the establishment of our government!

Posted by: Tim Thompson | Apr 27, 2008 2:24:29 PM

One of the most interesting things to me was Wright's saying that he had spoken like a pastor while Obama had spoken as a politician. Given Obama's holier-than-thou stance as someone who can restore hope, Wright's characterization of Obama's explanation as politician's rhetoric is faintly damning.

Obama's ousting of Alice Palmer and all the other opposition from the Chicago ballot in 1996 is another example of his willingness to play hardball politics.

As one of his eliminated opponents said, "Why say you're for a new tomorrow, then do old-style Chicago politics to remove legitimate candidates?" And, "[h]e talks about honor and democracy, but what honor is there in getting rid of every other candidate so you can run scot-free? Why not let the people decide?"

Hmmm. It makes Obama's complaints about McCain and Clinton and business-as-usual practices ring more than just a little hollow.

What kind of change does he have in mind?

Posted by: R.Lamb | Apr 27, 2008 2:20:52 PM

this is a smokescreen. and the media once again is falling for it.

obama's critics can't fault the man, so they attack whatever is on the periphery. if this is the best they can do, then obama is easily the most qualified person to run for president since FDR.

what's appalling is how hillary's fans and the republicans who hate hillary are teaming up to put down obama. it's all bs.

let's look at the man, shall we? let's look at obama's character vs hillary vs mccain. let's look at their basic decency and how well they stay true to their own principles, and who is willing to do or say anything to get elected. tell me who wins that comparison. that's who should be president.

dt

Posted by: dt | Apr 27, 2008 2:18:28 PM

This is Obama's pastor and again for those incapable of watching the whole interview, you can take sound bites and exploit them. Kinda sad.
Obama may not be perfect but compared to Hillary? I can at least breath the air he expends as opposed to puking when she is talking.

Posted by: Brian | Apr 27, 2008 2:15:22 PM

Leanza Cornett? As in Miss America 19?? I don't think so.

Posted by: druggstohr | Apr 27, 2008 2:08:18 PM

Obama should be the one to step aside and let Clinton be the one togo against McCain. Look at her voting record: she walks the walk. She has been dogged long enough by the Obama camp. It's time for Obama and his speech writers to step aside an let the better person be THE candidate.

Posted by: Xavier | Apr 27, 2008 2:07:23 PM

when this story broke it was the beginning of the end for obama. he needs to get out of the way so mybe Hillary can win.

Posted by: cal | Apr 27, 2008 2:01:27 PM

Obama better be sure that he was not at church where he had been every Sunday morning for the previous twenty years. If someone finds out that he WAS there but was sleeping or counting votes in his head while this was going on, he is in even deeper doodoo than he is today. He needs to win Indiana by a larger percentage than Hillary did in Pennsylvania to remain viable. I know, he has the most votes but these scrimmages are only the preliminaries. McCain will take him to the cleaners unless he quits fibbing about that church and other remarks he has made.

Posted by: oPA2 | Apr 27, 2008 1:58:08 PM

As long as America feels she is God and supreme GD America...okkkk, never heard anyone saying that they feel America is God, but I have often heard God bless America, don't know where the Rev got that one from but then again who knows what this nut is thinking.

Posted by: SJ | Apr 27, 2008 1:57:21 PM

Rev. Wright is a really scary man, huh? A real threat to our American way, right? Well, I think he is an American and has every right to say what he is saying. It is good we are getting this dissent. I have seen my relatives tell me that it is predicted in the bible, that we have to fight in this Iraq war; or it will be worse for when Jesus comes back. And now every one wants to pretend that Rev. Wright is a horrible person. If it wasn't for people like Rev. Wright, I would have a hard time calling myself a christian, because cristians are supposed to follow the teachings of their master (Jesus). Honestly, what has he actually done to ANYONE to cause harm? If people can't see that, then they might as well cast their lot with the Devil in this small victory, as we march to (god knows where).

Posted by: Nzanemitch | Apr 27, 2008 1:55:59 PM

Why won't Obama agree to a debate without a moderator? They have only debated 4 times, not 21 as stated by Obama. They have been in collective debates with other candidates, but not just these two! Obama needs to get his stories straight...

Posted by: Jackson | Apr 27, 2008 1:54:27 PM

C'mon people... watch the interview! Try to understand where Wright is coming from before you attack him with your ad hominen nonsense! It is possible to legitimately disagree with this man without demonizing him. And, if you actually watch him speak, you will understand what an amazing person he is.

Posted by: Geez | Apr 27, 2008 1:46:29 PM

Well this part of the "damn america" sermon (about Iraq) is right on. I guess you have to hear the whole thing to really get a clear understanding. Bt then, who in america ever tries to fully understand anything.

Posted by: JR | Apr 27, 2008 1:43:36 PM

I agree: Obama fails basic
standards...

Posted by: becki | Apr 27, 2008 1:29:01 PM

i find obama's explanation re: Wright untenable.

when my bishop remarked that prochoice folk should not receive communion, i took him to task then and there in the largest newspaper in our area.

now the pope is giving communion to rudy guiliani=a twice divorced, prochoice republican

you stand up when you oppose something. or perhaps obama did not oppose wright and now, as his pastor intimates, is doing so just for politics.

rev mr ron bodin

Posted by: ron | Apr 27, 2008 1:27:19 PM

I think that the Rev Wright, like me, or you, has the right to question the policies of the US.

I believe that the US talking points of National Security is Hogwash, that the US preeminance right to National Security, at the expense of any other Nations right to National Sercurity is hogwash.

Believe that the US policy is basically a policy of isolationism. I believe the US attack on Iraq was basically immoral, unjustified by the facts, unilateral, without regard to the rights of Civilians to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I believe that US thinks it is the only nation that counts.

Posted by: Thinking | Apr 27, 2008 1:27:01 PM

He still just doesn't get it does he?

Posted by: dwc | Apr 27, 2008 1:24:53 PM

Dema,
If you are worried that the media uses their influence to push a storyline that can permanently damage a person's character or reputation you should also take special interest at what has been done in regards to calling the Clintons racists or insinuating that they are using race-baiting techniques. The majority of this smear has come from the Obama campaign. Please see the link below.

Posted by: Andrea | Apr 27, 2008 1:02:43 PM