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Hey, Lighten up everyone. This was innocent and just a joke. It had nothing to do with an assination attempt. This is a funny guy who keeps us laughing and keeps politics in perspective. Mike Huckabee is a first class guy and the only people make a "To do" over his remark are the "kook left" attempting to hang something on him. Huck is clean. Too clean for even Mc Cain. No, this will not affect his chances at VEEP.
Huck would carry the SOUTH like a big wind picking up people on both sides. He would help anyones ticket. You know it too! I like Mike! everyone who ever met him does. The guy is a great guy. If we had more Mike Huckabees in Washington, we would have a better country and a better goverment!

Frank Rich's best point is here: "The Clintons and Mr. Obama are always held accountable for their racial stands, as they should be, but the elephant in the room of our politics is rarely acknowledged: In the 21st century, the so-called party of Lincoln does not have a single African-American among its collective 247 senators and representatives in Washington."

As we talk about racial progress and the press looks for all the good that has been done by the left, this question about the right is a good one. Who did J.C. Watts have to caucus with when it came to any racial tinged policies by the right? He turned to himself 4 to 8 years ago and asked him if he had the numbers to defeat some of those policies. Self said NO.

Barack can't say typical or bitter without getting a full scale media assault. Howard Fineman said Barack needed to stick to playing basketball. But you have McCain trying to figure out where to even begin addressing race, maybe it is in Memphis at the Lorraine Motel, maybe he should go to Appalachia, or perhaps New Orleans divorced from most of its residents is the place to start.

Progress is slow.

Yes.

When you guys have a chance to think about after your self righteous indignation waivers in 2009, you might find that your attention was focused on the wrong indicator. How many times does someone have to say New Orleans to the federal government before reporters say maybe there is a hard news story out there? How many milestones do deceased soldiers need to hit before reporters think maybe we have not spent our resources adequately? How many people have to lose their home before an objective news editor says our focus has been in the wrong place while we contemplate Rev. Wright and his boogie man status?

The Fourth Estate will continue to get low marks when you don't cover stories that expose a bureaucratic nightmare our government has become. If we wanted sensationalism we could go to the National Enquirer, I doubt older journalist think much of the younger crowd sense of balance or proportion.

No Point - See McCain did not go to Hagees parish for 20 years, nor did ne write a book repeating the nasty stuff, nor did McCain throw his grandma under the bus for him! (figuratively)

This is just the libs way of trying to take the spotlight off Obama's anti-Americanism racism!!

If Wright was just some one that says he supported Obama, and no major connections then Wright would not even fit in to anything.

A Candidate can not be responsible for who supports them , but they can be held responsible for who they hang with, take on as mentors

More Libs twisting of the truth!!

Let those without sin cast the first stone. Church is separate from state, so that's all I'll say about that. Unfortunately, after several years, I had a pastor who did not represent our church proudly in my opinion. I didn't denounce the church. I was moving anyway, so I can't say that was the only reason I cut ties. I have been to different denominations with friends. There are parts of every church which I don't agree with, including the one I'm a member of. Life is not perfect. It does seem that if I made up a pro and con list of associations, Obama would still come out better.

Rich, Moyers, and Stewart need to come up with a better defense as they're making it worse by implying that there's a double standard. Most folks aren't concerned with John Hagee or Pat Robertson and their relationship with McCain because neither of them have a 20 year relationship with McCain and McCain hasn't called them spiritual mentors, family, and alluded to them as father figures.

Obama is being asked to explain a relationship that he put into the public's view when he wrote about Wright in his books. When Obama cites Rev. Wright as a mentor and formative influence on him, voters have a right to question Obama about that influence.

When defenders invoke a racial double standard as a mode of defense, they dismiss voter's concerns and tacitly call them racists for having the nerve to want these questions answered. Since some of what Wright has said is inflammatory and along racial lines, these defenders unwittingly stoke the fires by insulting the intelligence of voters who have legitimate questions about what Wright teaches and what Obama does and does not agree with. If Obama doesn't answer the questions and his defenders smack voters for simply wanting to know, Obama loses these voters.

Obama needs to answer the deeper questions regarding Wright and his relationship with him. Defenders who call it a double-standard or poo-poo the voters are keeping Obama from allaying people's doubts and moving on. The overprotectiveness is what's killing him.

Putting it all out there, and no Obama still hasn't done that, is the only way to put it to rest.

When John McCain was a guest at the
Hanoi Hilton......Frank Rich was dreaming of a part in "Swan Lake"

Frank Rich's moral guru wears black
leather and carries a riding crop.

So Oscar Meyer, you didn't actually see the show yourself, right? "The way I heard it reported ..." Here's what really happened. George was actually being tough in questioning (unlike the softball Russert interview of Obama) and Clinton handled each question with intelligence, sound reasoning, strength and confidence. She has the knowledge and superb grasp of the issues to be President.

Here is my two sense about Obama and Revered Wright:

1. There was not much change in what Wright said at the National Press Club from the so called "sound bytes" played over and over on You Tube. Yet, Obama didn't denounce Wright, but choose to defend Wright and make it a racial issue. It wasn't a racial issue it was a patriotic issue.

2. Obama chose to stay in Wright's church for over 20years. Does anybody really believe on the days Obama didn't attend service, Reverend Wright did not speak this way? Obviously Wright breaths, speaks and eats the litany he spews out. It is ridiculous for the media to compare Obama's 2o years of attendance in Wright church to what, a month of an endorsement for McCain?

I don't think many in the media go to church or have a home church or they would not be asking stupid questions to think any one who sits under a Pastor for twenty years all of the people supporting Obama who go to church you don't go to church for that long plus fellowship and not know how your pastor thinks the first remarks Mrs Obama made when she said she believe's America is a mean place came right from the Pastor's mouth.

Hey Steve:

Did McCain's pastor Dan Yeary go with Louis Farakkhan on a trip to Libya to meet Gadaffi when we had hostile relations with them like what Wright did.
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Did Obama go on these trips, did he even know about them, Did he agree it was a good thing? Or is this just another attempt to implicate Obama through guilt by association?

The media has gone overboard with this coverage and I'm sick of it. Enough already!

The Rev. Wright/Pastor Hagee issues should not be at the forefront. When did Billy Graham become an issue in the past when he spoke in defamatory terms about Jews? I still love Billy Graham in spite of those remarks, but what ministers say should have nothing to do with the political and economic issues at hand. The media is obsessed with this pastor/minister coverage because they're looking for ratings boosters.

Our country is in trouble on economic, domestic and foreign policy issues. America, let's get our next President elected and move forward. Enough with the ex-pastor coverage. Enough!

The media has gone overboard with this coverage and I'm sick of it. Enough already!

The Rev. Wright/Pastor Hagee issues should not be at the forefront. When did Billy Graham become an issue in the past when he spoke in defamatory terms about Jews? I still love Billy Graham in spite of those remarks, but what ministers say should have nothing to do with the political and economic issues at hand. The media is obsessed with this pastor/minister coverage because they're looking for ratings boosters.

Our country is in trouble on economic, domestic and foreign policy issues. America, let's get our next President elected and move forward. Enough with the ex-pastor coverage. Enough!

frankiestage:

Your statements on the Wright situation are correct, but they fail to mention other actions by the US government which lend credibility to the fears fanned by Wright:

1935
The Pellagra Incident. After millions of individuals die from Pellagra over a span of two decades, the U.S. Public Health Service finally acts to stem the disease. The director of the agency admits it had known for at least 20 years that Pellagra is caused by a niacin deficiency but failed to act since most of the deaths occurred within poverty-stricken black populations.

1940
Four hundred prisoners in Chicago are infected with Malaria in order to study the effects of new and experimental drugs to combat the disease. Nazi doctors later on trial at Nuremberg cite this American study to defend their own actions during the Holocaust.

In light of these facts and mumerous other incidents in which blacks as well as other minorities were used as guinea pigs, it is easy to believe anything of the US government.

Of course there is bias. How many people have seen Rev. Hagee's greatest hits? There is probably not one person in America who has not be exposed to the medias Rev. Wright lovefest. Nor has anyone heard a peeop about Clinton's ties to Coe and The Family, or her ex-pastor who was sentenced to jail this year for molesting a 7 year old girl. Why is no one asking the questions to the other two candidates? BTW, Sen. McCain ASKED for Rev. Hagee's support. What does that tell you about his judgement?

If all you Obama basher's know something about real Christianity, then even if Wright is as bad as you say, baptism of Obama's kids can't be held against the Obamas. The blessing is given by the Lord and the pastor is just the vehicle for that by saying the words. If Charles Manson with a true sense of Christ baptized John McCain's second family, that baptism should be recognized as valid and no discussion of it should be heard because the Holy Spirit governed the ceremony. Whoever does the baptism is irrelevant.

To think otherwise is condemning those in the Catholic church who had molestor priests, those evangelicals who had fallen ministers and any other Christian who attended a service by these guys/people. Christ is the reason in the church not the preacher.

Learn what you are talking about.

It appears ignorance has run amuck.
Most people and even MSM don't have a clue!

Why has religious scholars remained silent and allowed misinformation to persist?

How can you criticize if you don't understand?

Some education on the black church is in order.

Historically, the church in the African American community has been the initiator for activities that benefit the African American community. Many scholars, including Lincoln (The Black Experience in Religion, 1974), Mays (The Negro's Church, 1933), Washington (Black Religion: The Negro and Christianity in the United States, 1964), and DuBois (The Souls of Black Folk, 1907) have affirmed this idea. In the church, educational opportunities were presented and encouraged; in the African American Church educational institutions for African Americans were born. The church was the cradle where voter registration was nurtured and matured. In the church, economic opportunities were conceived for African Americans.

The church was the site of the civil rights movement, based on a theology of liberation. Liberation Theology addresses the concern of freedom of oppression, as do African American Theology and Black Theology.

The Black Church, as an institution, came into being following separation from white churches, because the majority church did not confer full status to black people. In the formation of the Black Church, full status to all was conferred. This is significant, especially at a time when other oppressions are keeping people from experiencing the fullness of belonging to the body of Christ. It is incumbent upon the Black Church to remember its own history and, from it, to assure that no group be made to suffer such inhumanities. The function of Liberation Theology is to call people to this remembrance.

Liberation Theology in the African American community was born as a result of the inhumanities black people suffered and are still suffering at the hands of the majority population. It will continue as long as there is real or perceived injustice.

From the beginning, Black Theology was understood as Christian theology which reflected upon the struggle for justice and liberation. In that light, Liberation Theology was and is not limited to any ethnic group.

There are 4 interpretive schemes or models of the black church.
1. Assimilation Model
2. Isolation Model
3. Compensatory Model
4. "Ethnic-community-Prophetic Model

Obama's church followed the "ethnic community-prophetic model. This model accentuates the potential of the black church or its ministers as "prophets to a corrupt white christian nation" mainly in terms of racism and historical racial injustice.

This church has priestly and prophetic functions.

Priestly functions involve only those activities concerned with worship and maintaining the spiritual life of its members.

Prophetic functions refer to involvement in political concerns and activities in greater society. Classically, this activity has meant pronouncing a radical word of God's judgement on real or perceived social injustice.

Obama started as a community organizer in one of the poorest areas of Chicago. Iam sure he saw the results of a lot of social injustice and suffering from bad govt. policies. It is not surprising that he would join or maintain membership at his church.

Obama seeks to bring us beyond all the old divisions and injustices of the past and have us all work for the good of a one and better america. He has seen the best and worst of both sides.

His distractors believe that hate and group division will "carry the day". They might be right!

PS
A lot of the information above was extracted from the book, The Black Church in the African American Experience.
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They do because McCain sought these endorsements with the clear and open acknowledgment of what Rev. John Hagee and Pastor Rod Parsley and Pastor Tim LaHaye have said and done. If the standard is now that anything that person said is fair game, well then, let the games begin.

John McCain also called Rod Parsley his 'spiritual advisor'. If you know anything about Rod Parsley, that's pretty scary!

"The media serve the interests of state and corporate power, which are closely interlinked, framing their reporting and analysis in a manner supportive of established privilege and limiting debate and discussion accordingly."
Noam Chomsky, American linguist and US media and foreign policy critic

Hey Frank Rich,

Did McCain's pastor Dan Yeary go with Louis Farakkhan on a trip to Libya to meet Gadaffi when we had hostile relations with them like what Wright did.

The media has reached a new low in their bias for the left with this absurd comparison.

Hey Frank Rich,

Does McCain's church put out Hamas's newsletters.

Hey Frank Rich,

Did McCain's church in Phoenix give an award to Louis Farakkhan.

Obama apologized to wright to wright for not having him speak at his announcment day in springfield. This was after Obama found out about the 9/11 chickens coming home to roost comparison.

Then Obama said he only learned about the statements later when he already had heard about the 9/11 comments.

Even Oprah was smart enough to leave the church.

Obama liked the church because Wright is like them. Both Obama and Wright can't stand Israel.

Obama used to go to fundraisers in chicago raising money for groups in the west bank.

Obama in 2004 reported by the chicago tribune said to a palestian activist who had written articles bashing Israel how proud he was of him.

Obama said he couldn't talk about it now because of the senate primary then.

Obama and Wright share their passion against Israel.

Obama used to march with palestian activists. He called israelis oppressors. He bashed the fence.

Now as Ralph Nader on Meet the press has pointed out Obama has flip flopped.

Now he is for the wall in israel. Now he is for israel's security.

But in his inner core he shares Wright's position on Israel.

Jerry ..ok, forget about bp,its now between me and you, what do you think abot this allegation?

WHY should our American troops suffer in

War that John Mccain said it was for oil..

Why should we allow John Mccain who may have PTDS..to run our country and impose his PTDS on our soldiers who want to come

HOME.

All i know is bp stands for black panther and that stops the dialogue.

Romney should have been the Republican nominee..

JOHN MCCAIN..is known for getting very angry at times..

War Hero.. yes..

BUT DOESN JOHN MCCAIN HAVE

PTDS

But jerry, bp made a strong point, that this is the only time in american history, the democrats and the republicans has got a common enemy,a blackman,not considering that his mother is white, how do you counter that?

Let Frank Rich and John Stewart go to Phoenix and Chicago and compare their churches.

ABC wants to debate religion. Send a reporter to McCain's phoenix church and compare it to Obama's church.

One church preaches hate the other preaches forgiveness and redemption.

Then compare McCain's pastor Dan Yeary with Obama's new pastor Otis Moss.

Hillary Mccain

Now that's a good ticket.

Jerry................Your guess is as good as mine.

THIS is a question for John Mccain supporters who kept harping on being in the church for 20 years please answer this question.

WHY WOULD JOHN MCCAIN SEEK OUT A PASTOR "HAGEE" WHO SAID SO MANY TERRIBLE THINGS WHEN HE HAD HIS OWN PASTOR.

WHY...

AND IN SEEKING OUT HAGEE, EXCEPTING HIS ENDORSEMENT JOHN MCCAIN EXCEPTED HAGEE UGLY VIEWS..

SO STOP THE DOUBLE STANDARDS..

JOHN MCCAIN USED POOR JUDGEMENT

Who is this "bp"? Black Panther?

How about a double standard for left wing media so called journalists.

Compare a spiritual advisor in Wright who Obama went to his church for 20 years to a guy McCain was endorsed by. McCain has been endorsed by a lot of people. He has no relationship with Hagee.

Now if McCain's pastor for the last 15 years wasn't dan yeary of phoenix and McCain had been an evangelical going to Hagee's church in San antonio for the last 15 years then Jake Tapper would have a point.

But as it is McCain hasn't been going to Hagee's church for the last 15 years in Phoenix.

The comparison is absurd. There is no double standard.

The only double standard is how the the left wing distorts republican candidates.

This is not democracy. Because of the media we will have a one party system.

The main stream media is 85 percent democratic.

You will speaker pelosi with 300 house seats, leader reid with 60 senate seats and president obama.

The bias of the media is bad for democracy.

Why are 90 percent of the reporters at ABC flaming liberals.

Is that good for democracy?

Yes the media is at fault, there is a double standard.

We are all Americans!

It is a disgrace that the media doesn’t report the news they spin and generate the news.

Sen. McCain's (McBush) went after Pastor Hagee who is far worst to the two.

Hagee changes the meanings of scriptures just like the Media generates the news.

Hagee uses this distortion to separate and harm hundreds of millions of Christian.

The sad part of all this, is that he has a very large following and they believe his Scandalous gibbering.

The question is supposed to be, why should some citizen be saying God dm America,a veteran just like McCain,the country is supposed to be shocked and worried,they are naturally supposed to wonder why,and seek the solution,somebody voluteered,yet it gets worse,I believe its just a matter of time when the status quo will change for good,the latinos will become the majority in this country,untill then,your guess is as good as mine, thank you and God bless.

JOHN HAGEE WAS NOT MCCAIN'S PASTOR FOR 20 YEARS; HE DIDN'T MARRY THE MCCAINS, HE DIDN'T BAPTIZE HIS CHILDREN; HE'S NOT HIS SPIRITUAL COUNSELOR; HE WASN'T MCCAIN'S CLOSE CONFIDANT AND MCCAIN DIDN'T INVITE AND THEN UNINVITE HAGEE TO HIS PRESIDENTIAL ANNOUNCEMENT. THERE IS NO ANALOGY THAT PASSES THE SMELL TEST!!

If Mccain respected his own pastor than why seek out HAGEE..

WHY FOR VOTES..talk about damning God..using him for Votes.

No what's worse is seeking out an endorsement of a pastor who you know has said some awful things.

FOR VOTES

FOR EXCEPTENCE OF THE REPUBLICAN WHO DOESN'T WANT YOU, BUT RATHER HILLARY

SAD..

NO MCCAIN SEEKING OUT HAGEE IS FAR WORSE THAN OBAMA WHO YES MAY OF HAVE HAD A CONTROVERSAL REV BUT GETTING ENVOLVED WITH A PASTOR LIKE MCCAIN DID KNOWING HAGEE COMMENTS IS WORSE..

IF HE HAD HIS OWN PASTOR THEN WHY NOT STICK WITH THAT..why not trust your own pastors endorsment..or did he his pastor endorse him..

McCain..sort out a pastor who has made far more terrible and controversal comments than what we have heard from Rev Wright..

The media owes it to us American both views not one side..

The media owes Rev Wright an apology..

Yes the media is at fault, there is a double standard.

We are all Americans!

It is a disgrace that the media doesn’t report the news they spin and generate the news.

Sen. McCain's (McBush) went after Pastor Hagee who is far worst to the two.

Hagee changes the meanings of scriptures just like the Media generates the news.

Hagee uses this distortion to separate and harm hundreds of millions of Christian.

The sad part of all this, is that he has a very large following and they believe his Scandalous gibbering.

John Mcain did not sit in Hagee's church for 20 years. Hagee is not his spirtual adviser. How can they compare his judgment with Obama's judgment. ObaMA IS a liar.

To hell with the elections,the result have been written already,God dm America.

To JON,

McCain in February had no idea about John Hagee's positions.

Hagee wasn't a household name. It wasn't like Giuliani getting pat roberston's endorsement.

McCain had very few staff back then.

Since then they put in a new vetting process for endorsements.

McCain was competing against huckabee in texas. All McCain was doing was lining up evangelical endorsements. He was endorsed by Gary bauer.

McCain is so completely different from Hagee. McCain is not a religous wacko.

McCain on the day of Hagee's endorsement had no idea of Hagee's extreme positions. He was asked the next day about them and it was the first he heard of them.

Hagee was not a household name.

The vetting process in McCain's campaign has changed. Now all endorsers are vetted.

It used to be that just because you endorsed someone that doesn't mean you agreed with them.

Rudy Giuliani was endorsed by Pat Robertson.

Of course they don't share the same beliefs.

Just because someone endorses you, you aren't endorsing them.

Show McCain's real pastor.

the whole world is watching, what is going to happen? is it still there is no longer the question, how strong is it will be measured with what will unfold,crooked and dirty minds are at work.

This is the only time in american history,where the republicans and the democrats have a common enemy,a black man,who is fooling who?

No what's worse is seeking out an endorsement of a pastor who you know has said some awful things.

FOR VOTES

FOR EXCEPTENCE OF THE REPUBLICAN WHO DOESN'T WANT YOU, BUT RATHER HILLARY

SAD..

NO MCCAIN SEEKING OUT HAGEE IS FAR WORSE THAN OBAMA WHO YES MAY OF HAVE HAD A CONTROVERSAL REV BUT GETTING ENVOLVED WITH A PASTOR LIKE MCCAIN DID KNOWING HAGEE COMMENTS IS WORSE..

IF HE HAD HIS OWN PASTOR THEN WHY NOT STICK WITH THAT..

McCain..sort out a pastor who has made far more terrible and controversal comments than what we have heard from Rev Wright..

The media owes it to us American both views not one side..

The media owes Rev Wright an apology..

DUHH!!!!!! In other news the earth is round and revolves around the sun.

Why do you people keep writing the same thing over and over. No one is saying Hagee is McCain pastor. However, he is a man from whom McCain sought endorsement, and whose endorsement McCain has said he is proud to have, despite his most radical views.

Obama has denounced and disowned Wright. McCain hasn't Hagee.

Thus, it's a story.

Also, listen to Wright's sermons, full and in context. And keep in mind the racial history of this country as well (if you don't know it, find a synopsis somewhere, like on Wikepedia or something), and where it was during Wright's developmental years. Google the "Tuskegee Experiment" as well; read more on the details of that. Then perhaps his sermons, and his overall disposition, will make a little more sense to you. People don't like looking back at this country's sorry racist history because it's like looking at a bloated corpse that's been sitting under a desert sun for 30 days. Not a pleasant sight. But turning away doesn't mean the corpse doesn't exist.

Rev wright is just a reason to continue the racism, who is fooling who?

Here is a picture of McCain's real pastor. Pastor Dan Yeary of Pheonix.

You don't talk about him because he is a moderate pastor who preaches forgiveness and redemption. He is the complete opposite of Wright.

That comparison would be disastrous.

McCain has a very close relationship with pastor Yeary for 15 years. McCain has no personal relationship with Hagee.

Double standard indeed....I guess racism is truly alive and well in this country...sad.

David - he might not be his pastor, but he is a man who McCain SOUGHT OUT the endorsement of, despite knowing his radical views. That shows bad judgement, and should be reported by the media.

Texas Democrat-

Yes, people should make their own decisions, but that's only possible if the media reports on BOTH pastors, not just Wright. Right now, most Americans know about Reverend Wright's most extreme views, but not those of Hagee which, to this American, are much, much more offensive than ANYTHING Wright has ever said. That's a failure of the media for unbiased, objective journalism, and an obvious sign for what we all know to be true - the MSM is in the bag for John McCain.

Yes, it is a double standard. But this is America. Another point on McCain: he's on the verge of senility. As the spotlight on him becomes more intense over the summer, this will become more clear to the American people.

Yes, it is a double standard. But this is America. Another point on McCain: he's on the verge of senility. As the spotlight on him becomes more intense over the summer, this will become more clear to the American people.

McCain's real pastor is Dan Yeary

He teaches about love and redemption.

McCain's pastor is not Hagee. This is completely different.

Wright was Obama's spiritual advisor for 20 years.

McCain has met Hagee a few times in his whole life. McCain barely knows Hagee.

McCain in February had very little staff. They didn't vet Hagee. He didn't know he was controversial. At the time they were looking for evangelical supporters with Huckabee out there. McCain was also endorsed by Gary Bauer.

McCain and Hagee are not close.

The media is trying to make Hagee out to be his pastor. He is not.

Mr. Wright's sermons may be more caustic to people than are those of Mr. Hagee. Voters will, at some level, evaulate the candidate's personal relationship with each, and choose according to his/her own particular interests.

Nobody is bothering with McCain's preacher because the bottom line he is boring. It's Obama who is the greatest interest in this election and offering the greatest challenge - Change. His very election to office will be the beginning of change and some people are so comfortable in the clay and don't want things disturbed and therefore are making a massive effort to resist change. The whole pastor thing is crap!

Gee I wonder if this is all offset by the endorsements that Obama got from Farrakan (which he finally said he didn't want when prompted by Hillary Clinton) of the Black Panthers endorsement (which he took off his webpage when it was noticed by the MSM...or the endorsement of Hamas which was public and seconded when Carter got back from his freelance diplomacy to say that lots of other countries want America to choose Obama.

It is no mistake that the man who buddies up to radicals and terrorists all over IL would draw them from all over the world.

It is a total red herring to try and compare religious views and racist rants. It is smoke and mirrors to try to compare a a 20 year relationship with an endorsement.

This is about Obama. He sat there for 20 years. He raised his children in that church...He says he never heard a thing. This is a total lie for political gain. Everyone in Chicago knew what Wright believed.

Wright was on Obama's campaign until the day before Obamas "race speech" in March 2008.

As late as October 2007 there were hate Isreal rantings in the church newspaper. As late as December 2007 Wright was bashing Obama's political rivals from the pulpit in profane and racist ways.The Rolling Stone article came out before Obama announced his candidacy and Wrights always well known views were stated again.

Obama denounced Imus for racist hate speech....He finally ...after years of listening to it in church denounced Wright....I think it was for anti-Obama speech.

I would like a president that can stand up to hate and false teachings (if he really didn't believe them) in his own church.

I wonder how many times Obama rose to his feet and applauded...like the entire congregation did when Rev Wright gave an anti-White rant.

I doubt Obama believes that the government invented AIDS to hurt Blacks...but he never corrected the Rev when he said it since 1995....I wonder what Obama's children believe? He exposed his children to these beliefs,

Adults have an obligation to confront hate speech and false teachings in their own church....Instead the Obamas supported it by giving the church $27,000 as a charity contribution....make no mistake this is not going away...

The man who could not confront the "hate" with "change" on Sunday mornings does not deserve the votes to confront the problems of WA to "change" them.

Here's the deal; past ministers with crazy sayings have endorsed Presidential candidates,and Presidents themselves...that was pure political theater, and everyone laughed it off, or added that to their general (negative)view of the President/candidate.

The difference here, is that Obama chose to ignore political theater, and selected Trinity, and Wright 20(that's TWENTY) years ago, before any thought of reaching the Presidency was even considered.

This was a choice that linked Obama and Wright together forever; Now when someone can point to me how Hagee married McCain and his wife, baptized McCain's kids, and came up with the title of one of McCain's books, as Wright has done for OBama, THEN I will consider a double standard.

Until then,

OBAMA IS JUDGED BY THE COMPANY HE KEEPS.

Let’s put this in perspective… no matter how much you yell Obamabots, you cannot compare the two! McCain made a political decision to get a religious leader’s endorsement. Obama made a personal choice to embrace a pastor whom he later says he disavows.

Prior to the endorsement, McCain repudiated Hagee’s incendiary statements. But only after Wright’s statements become problematic did Obama disavow those statements.

Bye, all. I have to go to church now and pray for all our sins!

I GUESS IF PASTOR HAGEE AND REV WRIGHT

BOTH WENT INTO A STORE AND

PASTOR HAGEE STOLED BACON

AND REV WRIGHT STOLED TWO PACKAGES OF BACON

REV WRIGHT IS GUILTY NOT PASTOR HAGEE

YOU SEE THERE IS A DOUBLE STANDARD GOING ON HERE

AND HOPE THAT THE MEDIA WILL APOLOGIZE TO REV WRIGHT AND OBAMA..

AND PLAY FAIR GAME WITH EVERYONE.

REMEMBER THE COMMENTS BY JOHN MCCAIN

SO WE WILL NEVER HAVE TO SEND OUR TROOPS TO WAR OVER OIL..

OIL...

OIL...

MCCAIN SUPPORTERS ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO PAINT A PRETTIER PICTURE OF HAGEE ENDOREMENT, BUT EXCEPTING A ENDORSEMENT IS EXCEPTING THEIR VIEWS..
THERE IS NO NEED TO TRIED TO SUGAR COAT HAGEE OVER REV WRIGHT..

AFTER RIGHT IS RIGHT AND WRONG IS WRONG…WHAT MCCAIN SUPPORTERS ARE DOING NOW IS WHAT YOU WOULD CALL

DOUBLE STANDARDS..

THE AGRUEMENT NOW IS THAT MCCAIN WASN’T IN HAGEE CHURCH FOR TWENTY YEARS..BUT THAT AGRUMENT IS WORSE FOR JOHN MCCAIN
BECAUSE
NO YOUR RIGHT MCCAIN WASN'T IN CHURCH FOR TWENTY YEARS
WHERE THERE WERE PROBABLY GOOD SERMONS AND BAD SERMONS
IT HAPPENS IN ALL CHURCHES..ALL REGLIGIONS..I DON'T THINK THERE IS A PERSON OUT THERE THAT CAN SAY “OH I LOVED ALL OF MY PASTOR SERMONS” OVER A COURSE OF TWENTY YEARS..OR MORE
NO MAN OR WOMAN IS PERFECT..
BUT MCCAIN KNOWING HAGEE COMMENTS,,HAGEE CONTROVERSAL COMMENTS MCCAIN EXCEPTED AND EMBRACED HAGEE VIEWS WITHOUT BEING A MEMBER WITHOUT PROBALY EVEN GOING TO THE CHURCH..NOT GETTING TO KNOW THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY THAT CAN OCCUR IN SOME CHURCHES..
AGAIN NOONE IS PERFECT..
BUT MCCAIN EXCEPTED HAGEE FOR VOTES..TO GET ELECTED…TO BE EXCEPTED BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY..
WHAT’S MORE UNPATRIOTIC THAN THAT..TO USE GOD..RATHEER THAN OBAMA WHO TRIES TO UNDERSTAND AND NOT JUDGE SOMEONE…BUT TAKE REV WRIGHT GOODS WITH HIS BADS..
WHAT MCCAIN DID WAS WORSE..

MCCAIN EXCEPT HAGEE ENDORSEMENT SO HE EXCEPTED HAGEE

The point is that even these white pastors are supported by their members. These guys rake in millions nationally. They have been there for couple of decades at least.

They may not be their pastor, but they sure did court their endorsement, what to say they didn't contribute to their ministry.

So they didn't sit in the pew, but did theyu read their news letters, watch them on TV for years at a time?

Yea they got a pass from the press, and all the offended.

No - not the same. McCain got a political endorsement and made it clear that it was a political endorsement.

I suspect, Obama attended that church for political aspirations too, but he could not say that because it goes against his narrative that he is not the same politician. Is there any other explanation? If he says he repudiates these remarks, where was he in over 20 years? Either he knew or he did not. If he knew then he is either a liar or a coward for not speaking up, if he did not, he is either naive or your typical politician. You choose!

We did gain a new perspective on Wright's former parishioner, Senator Barack Obama. And it's not flattering. It took the Democratic frontrunner 20 years--and 50 days since videos surfaced of Wright's incendiary sermons--to discover that the man who helped him become a Christian, officiated at his marriage, and baptized his two daughters is a conspiracy theory-loving self-publicizer. What does that say about Obama's "judgment," on which he largely bases his claim to the presidency?

Worse, one of the main reasons for Obama's unequivocal split from Wright had nothing to do with the reverend's hateful ideology. You see, Wright had the temerity to suggest that Barack Obama is just another pol. "What I think particularly angered me was his suggestion somehow that my previous denunciations of his remarks were somehow political posturing," Obama said. This only confirms Obama's reputation for being thin-skinned and self-absorbed.

THE AGREEMENT NOW IS THAT MCCAIN WASN’T IN HAGEE CHURCH FOR TWENTY YEARS..BUT THAT AGREEMENT IS WORSE FOR JOHN MCCAIN
BECAUSE
NO YOUR RIGHT MCCAIN WASN'T IN CHURCH FOR TWENTY YEARS
WHERE THERE WERE PROBABLY GOOD SERMONS AND BAD SERMONS
IT HAPPENS IN ALL CHURCHES..ALL REGLIGIONS..I DON'T THINK THERE IS A PERSON OUT THERE THAT CAN SAY “OH I LOVED ALL OF MY PASTOR SERMONS” OVER A COURSE OF TWENTY YEARS..OR MORE
NO MAN OR WOMAN IS PERFECT..
BUT MCCAIN KNOWING HAGEE COMMENTS,,HAGEE CONTROVERSAL COMMENTS MCCAIN EXCEPTED AND EMBRACED HAGEE VIEWS WITHOUT BEING A MEMBER WITHOUT PROBALY EVEN GOING TO THE CHURCH..NOT GETTING TO KNOW THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY THAT CAN OCCUR IN SOME CHURCHES..
AGAIN NOONE IS PERFECT..
BUT MCCAIN EXCEPTED HAGEE FOR VOTES..TO GET ELECTED…TO BE EXCEPTED BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY..
WHAT’S MORE UNPATRIOTIC THAN THAT..TO USE GOD..RATHEER THAN OBAMA WHO TRIES TO UNDERSTAND AND NOT JUDGE SOMEONE…BUT TAKE REV WRIGHT GOODS WITH HIS BADS..
WHAT MCCAIN DID WAS WORSE..

White liberals are just as responsible for the double-standard. Obama is trying to win white Dems - not conservative republicans.

NO YOUR RIGHT MCCAIN WASN'T IN CHURCH FOR TWENTY YEARS

WHERE THERE WERE PROBABLY GOOD SERMONS AND BAD SERMONS

IT HAPPENS IN ALL CHURCHES..ALL REGLIGIONS..I DON'T THINK THERE IS A PERSON OUT THERE THAT CAN SAY OH I LOVED ALL OF MY PASTOR SERMONS OVER A COURSE OF TWENTY YEARS..

NO MAN OR WOMAN IS PERFECT..

BUT MCCAIN KNOWING HAGEE COMMENTS,,EXCEPTED AND EMBRACED THEM

THAT'S WORSE..

Lee....he picked the name for himself???

lol only the black man picked his name...the name his mother gave him.

your justifications are absolutely ridiculous.

ALRIGHT

DEB

THAT'S MY POINT

No, you can't just shove the Hagee thing away so nicely as saying he wasn't the pastor for twenty year.

McCain KNEW the teachings and pronouncements of Hagee before he accepted the endorsement. In accepting that endorsement, he accepted the hatred this man spouts. He embraced it. Why? Because he wants the votes and will sell his soul to get them.

And then Hagee compounds the problem with more insane ramblings--a perfect opportunity for McCain to distance himself, just as Obama has done--and what does he do? He says he is glad to have Hagee's endorsement!

No, he didn't sit in the pews for twenty years; he did something even worse: he accepted an edorsement from a known hater.

Apologists for McCain who continue to scream Obama had twenty years forget that he had twenty years and maybe a few minutes of that twenty years (when he wasn't even in the church) when the insane ideas were promoted. Instead, Obama has focused on the importance of the church community and their outreach programs. I suspect many of us who fall into a wonderful church community would tend to try to find some way to stay there because the good outweighs the bad.

MCCAIN EXCEPT HAGEE ENDORSEMENT SO HE EXCEPTED HAGEE COMMENTS OF ABOUT HURRICANE KATRINA AND HE EXCEPTED HAGEE