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lisa: So what issues are you voting on. All Obama talks about is change and hope because he doesn't know what else to say on the platform. His word hope is he hopes to be the president and change is changing a white president to a black president. He doesn't have the experience or knowledge to know how to run the country or talk to world leaders. You don't sit down and talk to Hamas like he wants to do. Hamas is the enemy. If that was the case Bush would have done it. And won't Bin Laden and Al Qaeda be dancing in the streets if Obama is elected president. They know all about him and they know he is not as tough and strong as Hillary or McCain. Obama wouldn't know how to handle them. He would have to ask for help.

To Jim
ALL of Hillarys supporters are very good dems but will never vote for OBAMA. Go to all the postings on the web and READ. If we are given the only choice of Obama or McCain than we will vote for McCain. That does not make us bad Dems, it just means we are good Americans that will not sit back and allow an empty suit that is NOTHING put talk and the MEDIA to steal this election.

Posted by: Steve Moore | May 11, 2008 4:05:10 PM
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Still day dreaming! Ever find out what a JD degree is, turkey?

"We are the party of the people, the coal miner, the waitress, the truck driver. We don''t need any elitists in our party. Therefore I am going to loan my campaign another 6.4 million in addition to the 5 million I've already lent them. After all, this is supposed to be the party of the working man and woman"

(and when they insult some of us, they insult all of us). They believe they can win with just blacks, kids, and elites.

Hoosier Sue, don't you even feel a little hypocritical throwing out that insult? Wonder which one I am? Black? No. Kid? Hah, hardly. Elite? Hmm, too broke for that.

I'm an Obama supporter, disappointed in Hillary's tactics, but still willing to back whichever Dem wins. Sorry to mess up your stereotyping, Sue.

I'm an ardent Clinton supporter and saw the skit. I too thought it was brilliant.

Of course, my demographic may not be smart enough to recognize satire when I see it.

and of course, you have to know as all her supporters do - that Hillary Clinton is no racist!

African americans, understandably proud of their historic, african american candidate know too that Clinton isn't a racist. When it's determined that he has no chance of winning and loses the nomination as a result, they will pull together to elect the only democrat that can beat John McCain - Hillary Clinton.

Folks, don't you remember the SNL skit that featured Hillary in a POSITIVE light? Geez.

If the media is unfair to Hillary, it's probably because they're fatigued from their ilk during the first administration -- then again, maybe not. Scandal sure sells a lot of papers and jacks up ad rates.

I could say the exact same thing about Hillary's supporters. They have been extremely rde and nasty. But I'm not voting for them. Nor will it even be a consideration when I vote. I deal with the issues and policies, not what people on these blogs say about the other canidates. I don't want there to be a draft. I want a better economy etc.

the behavior of Obama's supporters comes very much into play. Obama claims to be a uniter who will bring the country together. The behavior of his supporters has been the very antithesis of that vision.

Debating facts is one thing, and admittedly the Obama supporters haven't had much to work with due to their candidate's inexperience, empty hope-and-change mantra, and nefarious associates.

So they resorted to bullying, chiding, and dismissing Hillary's supporters, not to mention re-writing history to paint both Clintons as a plague upon America.

Obama hasn't inspired his supporters to be civil, hasn't changed Rev. Wright and his church, hasn't proven himself to be anything but an ambitious young man.

It will all be open to consideration when people step into the voting booth.

the candidate with 16.6 million passionate voters, expected to win big tomorrow in WV and KY, with big and major states already won, counted out, came back, showed strength, intelligence and the ability to debate with excellence time and time again and a stamina to stay the course is ridiculed and questioned why she doesn’t get out. an honorable coach would never ask her this. An honorable teacher would never ask her this. Only the msm would ask her this.

There is no cheating in either direction if superdelegates swing the vote to one candidate.

The superdelegates are part of the rules. Period.

One camp claims that to overrule the pledged delegate count would be unfair. The other claims that to overrule the popular vote would be unfair.

They are both wrong. Cold hard facts, that even I, a die-hard Obama supporter must accept.

Given, pledged delegates have a place in the rules, and popular votes do not. However, pledged delegates would only be decisive if they conclusively put a candidate over the winning threshold.

Neither candidate will get that, so it's now all about the superdelegates. Pledged, popular, demographics, polls, states won, and other statistics are merely arguments now to sway the superdelegates. Whatever way the supers go, it is legitimate, fair, and legal.

If you don't like the rules, I agree. But when both teams entered the game, they agreed to them. We now need to honor them, and change them next time if we feal strongly about it.

This does not, however, guarantee that we'll be going to convention. If an overwhelming number of superdelegates are polled officially by the DNC, and they clearly put one candidate over the other with a sizeable margin, then the losing candidate needs to step down.

This is how it has ALWAYS worked. The only time a candidate goes to convention is if they are the winner, or if the math and/or pledges of support do not present a clear winner/loser.

A candidate always steps down when this happens, as they should. This has NOT happened yet. The campaign should continue until it does.

rrt, what exactly are you not forgiving and forgeting. This is a presidential race, we are not voting for the supporters. And you're blaming half the country for voting for Obama, oh please. They have every right to vote for who they want even if you don't agree. So don't blame them.

The one thing the MSM isn't counting is popular vote. If Hillary stomps Obama in West Virginia and Puerto Rico, she will be ahead in the popular vote.

Now if the super delegates take the nomination away from the candidate with the most popular votes, they will be stealing the election, isn't that what the Obama camp has claimed?

Methinks this isn't over.

I simply pointed out that Obama has an ultra-liberal abortion record that many moderate Democrats and Independents will find repulsive. If you're unaware of it, the Republicans will be glad to tell you all about it in the GE.

Lisa, don't blame Hillary supporters for not throwing their support to Obama. The Obama mouthpieces have made it clear that they don't think they need us (and when they insult some of us, they insult all of us). They believe they can win with just blacks, kids, and elites.

Fine. Let them try.

Wow, Jozy.

It was personal.

It was gripping.

It was real.

I am so glad to read something when it is true, not political rhetoric, talking points, or some other code for keeping things the way the speaker wants them to be.

Good job.

barack obama, said it was a bit premature for him to be running for POTUS, he said he needed to spend some time in the senate-but it did not stop him from running and it did not stop people from voting for him.

at least mccain has been working at this for a while.

so go figure

Wow. i can't believe anyone would even think about supporting Mccain. He as ADMITTED he knows little about our economy. He has ADMITTED he has no desire to end our invasion of Iraq, and just last week he was talking about the "League of Nations" - which hasn't existed for nearly a century. Please educate yourselves, our nation cannot afford another 4 ( god forbid 8) years of an idiot in the whote house.

What people fail to note about the SNL "influence" is that Fred Armisen's impression of Barack Obama is so friggin' lame that SNL writers have no choice but to make skits about Hillary (brought home by the comedic genius of Amy Poehler). Or more generally that SNL has so missed the boat on African-American comics (Eddie Murphy expected) and writing for black cast members that it has not yet figured out how to address Obama on the show.

florida and michigan, those rascal states, if they would have just stayed home like good little voters and not exercised their right that would sure have made things easier. now just look – west virginia and kentucky – trying to be naughty little states as well. hope they were listening to all the pundits this weekend and got the message – stay home – save the gas – take a voter holiday – sure it’s your right to vote – but if you do- well, you might just need to take some remedial math courses. bad enough we have those pesky lying, cheating, thieving clintons out there practicing that ‘ol time politics. saying negative things about their opponent, staying in the race, not giving up. can’t wait for obama and mccain to show us that new style politics. they both have sworn to hold what kennedy might call “noble” campaigns. none of that dirty politicking the clintons so embrace. the banter between obama and mccain in the first debate will probably go back and forth with charges of who is the greatest American.
– you’re a great American
– no you’re a great American
– no, you’re a great American (and so on…)
meanwhile their surrogates, ad makers and bloggers are out dishing the dirt.
so folks, if you like your politicians, unfiltered and straight-up enjoy these final days of the clinton campaign.
we know they’re controversial
– but we like ‘em. like ‘em. yes we do.

Posted by: lisa | May 11, 2008 10:36:28 PM

i too will blame the bho supporters. first, because they so easily fell in lock-step behind a man with no credentials, only smoke and mirrors,and second, because they have been so vile in their treatment of hillary AND her supporters, there is no way to expect
hillary folks to forgive and forget.