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FIGURES DON'T LIE - BUT LIARS CAN FIGURE

The most important reason I could not vote for Hillary is that she is a manifest liar. The second reason is that she lacks the necessary foreign policy experience, to wit, her experience in Bosnia. How could I respect a leader who is in a plane that makes a "corkscrew landing" all the while fighting off snipers and the only backup she has is her then twelve-year-old daughter, a guitar player and a comedian. She could have at least brought along a sax player.

Am I missing something? Isn't it the elected/appointed delegates from the states and territories that determine the candidate that each party will put forward to run for the Office of President of the US in the general election? Since when does popular vote have anything to do with this process. If I recall correctly in past elections the individual who received the majority of convention delegate votes was selected as the party candidate. I would imagine that Senator Clinton understood the process when she declared her intentions to run for the nomination so many months ago. Now that she is apparently not going to have the majority of delgate votes she wants to change the rules. I say that the time to establish the rules is before the game starts. It is to late to change the rules after all the votes have been cast and the delegates elected. Seems to me once all the primary elections have been completed, whoever has the designated majority of elected/appointed delegates is the party candidate. At that point any individuals not meeting the designated number should gracefully withdraw.

Neil1785:

I would NEVER vote for John McCain so he can take away my right to choose.

Do not put words in my mouth. I am a supporter of the Democratic nominee--whoever that may be.

But, like it or not, it's going to be Obama.

i don't know but obama's view on how he counts the votes, on how he campaigns for the GE now - a slap in the face of all democrats! - and what his campaign tried to pull the awful morbid thing the other day when making hillary look like she was calling for some sort of assassination.. honestly, mccain has not done anything that comes even remotely close to all that.
i really don't know this guy called obama and what he really wants to do - he talks one thing and does something totally different..tally undemocratic
he knows foa fact that there are still people who to vote out there. he knows for a fact that the convention is the place.
seriously, i don't tnk he is going to make it.
some things you just don't do..

Many women who are avowed Hillary Clinton supporters are declaring they won't vote for Barack Obama in the fall. I get the anger and the disappointment. But to quote SNL's Amy Poehler and Seth Meyers: Really? You'd rather vote for John McCain, a man who has a 25-year history of voting against a woman's right to choose? A man who over the last eight years that NARAL has released a pro-choice scorecard has received a 0 percent rating? A man whose campaign website says he believes Roe v. Wade "must be overturned"? A man who has vowed that, as president, he will be "a loyal and unswerving friend of the right to life movement"? Really?

the article is another proof that tehre was no recession during 2000. they revised teh numbers after bush took office. btw, within two weeks in office bush changed clinton's budget! nobody talks about that one! - so, the final year of the clinton era was drastically altered by bush himself.. i am not clear how he was allowed to do that but he did it.
as he did so many other things.
but my question to you was: forget what the pundits said at the time for a moment. the entire country was talking about the surplus for years to come!
how could that have been a recession?
while talking about trillions in surplus? i don't think so. it doesn't make sense.
btw, cnn still refuses to post the popular vote numbers not even to this day!
now, how can a media organization post the numbers of people who have not cast their votes yet but insist in not posting the numbers of the ACTUAL VOTES?
cnn has a different agenda and that is neither mine nor yours..same thing with msnbc..
media organizations have NO right not to tell the truth about the real numbers of this election!
in fact, by not posting the total number of actual votes to date, they are misleading the american people.

Average Joe,

2000 is like 2008. "Maybe yes, maybe no".

Here is a link on CNN about it from November 20, 2000. Right BEFORE the election Gore v. Bush

The Stock Market was high due to "Irrational Exhuburance", then promptly TANKED. Remember the "dotcom bust". It was falsely inflated.

When Clinton left, we were in a recession.

You can't Cherry Pick history.

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no you can't!
let me tell what the 'history' is:
in april 2000 - last year clinton was in office rememeber! - greenspan came out (i still remember that day, was first week in april i think) and said: this economy is growing so fast (it was growing at 5% gdp rate at that point) that we cannot stop it and we have to do something about it.
and he did! he bumped up the interest rate by 0.5% - just like that.
now, i just happen to remember that year was also an election year and our darling bush was running around the country and ordering his troops that he could not win if the economy were to keep growing like that. he DID actually say that on national tv!
so his friends at goldman sachs came out and said SELL and his buddy republican greenspan went out and bumped up the interest rate as much as he could get away with at the time.

now now.. let's do a bit of arithemtic here: how was the country in a recession if the gdp was over 5% in q1'2000 and over 3% in q2? that is a tough one.
but stop and think for a second. that election cycle even bush was talking abut what to do with the 'surplus' - nobody forecasted there wasn't going to be one..
so you are right, You can't Cherry Pick history.

They will say HRC is another 4 years of Bill Clinton, and that aint good.

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why not? those were the only times in recent memory when we as a country were actually paying off the national debt, creating wealth like never before in history, creating jobs, etc. etc.

i happen to think that having bill there is a good thing.
i don't think we as a country can afford to pay for obama's education. it will takje obama 5 years to just learn the ropes..
i mean, look at what he is doing now: engaging mccain in a national conversation?
why?
if nothing else, it is way premature because it really insults the intelligence of every single voter out there yet still to cast his/her vote.

that aside, engagin mccain at this point is really really stupid.. shows that obama does not have experience.
mccain was dying for a reason to get media attention - obama put that on a silver plate for him. so, mccain can raise some money right? he needs it. as he needs FREE publicity. sorry, not free because obama is paying for it :))

i mean, seriously, what was wrong with the clinto years? stock market was going throught the roof, we were paying off the national debt and every single counrty in the wrold wanted to be like us..
clinton went to war and won without one single casualty! in yugoslavia.

i want those times back! i really do. hillary can do it. obama needs time to be able to actually do what he wants. he will never tell you that but, think about it. if experience and knowledge doesn't count, why do we send our kids to school for?

Maybe someone need to show Clinton that out of seven polls only one shows her in better standing the Barack Obama.

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why do you need polls now? afraid to actually count the VOTEs?
count ALL the votes! and you will see who the winner of the popular vote is.
just wait another week or so and we will know!

no need for polls at this point - just look at the real numbers, state by state hillary can get more electoral votes than anyone else in the race. just count the VOTEs.

Posted by: Mary | May 28, 2008 11:24:53 AM says,
"I am an Obama supporter. But, if Hillary had won the nomination, I would have voted for her. Can you say the same? Obama supporters want unity. It doesn't sound that way at all in the Clinton camp."

Mary, that's baloney. You're just saying that because you can see that Obama is almost getting a majority of support from superdelegates to win the dem nomination. If it's otherwise, you would be saying this - it's either Obama or McCain or stay home.

The democratic party is so divided, the position may end up with the republicans. Superdelegates are not seeing and deciding wisely.... OBAMA is NOT QUALIFIED regardless, period.

Former Republican Voter,

The Party has to cut her lose shes going down and taking everyone with her its time to turn the page on the Clintons and toss the book in the bin crush the bin and burry it under some deep cement, I think !

Enough is enough !

"based on every analysis of every bit of research, and every poll that’s been taken and every state that a Democrat has to win – I am the stronger candidate against John McCain in the fall.”

"Really"

Yes! Really.

Jacksmith... Working Class :-)

"You cannot violate the rules of the process and then expect to get forgiven for it," Howard Dean

Judge Richard Lazarra sided with the party, saying political parties have the right to make their own rules.

You know you Dems had an opportunity to fix this little MI and FL problem right AFTER Gore lost to Bush. If you didn't want SD's and Pledged Delegates to be the final determination...if you wanted it to be all about the "popular vote", you could have fixed it then. If you didn't want to hold caucuses, you could have changed it then. Why didn't you?

All this stuff Hillary is throwing out now to completely rewrite the primary rules based on her losing results is insane and flies in the face of what I call a democracy.

All you people crying to count all the votes need to look back at ALL the signatures TO NOT SEAT MI AND FL if they voted early. Those signatures included one Hillary Clinton's signature. You need to understand that caucus states can't just be tossed out because they didn't go in her favor.

I suspect you didn't change the rules up front because they have served your party well over the years. I suspect many thought it was no contest; thought Hillary would be coronated, crowned the democratic nominee. I suppose she didn't insist that MI and FL not be penalized if they voted early because it would play right into her "thru by Super Tuesday" plan.

Guess what...America felt differently. We started hearing about this guy called Obama. Many of those who listened were Republicans and Independents. We started really paying attention to him and his message. We went to see him speak and found we DO WANT AND BELIEVE IN CHANGE. Some of us got to looking at the Republican lineup and decided maybe that wasn't the game for us this time. And, we got out and started working for Obama, donating to him and voting for him. We started saying "not this time". We didn't want a couple of candidates shoved down our throats. We wanted more than a choice between bad and worse for President. We felt it was time to take back our nation and rid it of destructive special interests and lobbyists.

The democratic party has a problem that will get "fixed" Saturday. No one is going to be happy. FL and MI should have "protested" earlier...right after the penalities were announced. You knew the risk; you took the risk and now you want the rest of America to feel sorry for you? There are no "fixes" after an election is in progress, half over, three quarters over. The rules are the rules and anything less than enforcing them is a huge sign of weakness on the part of the Democratic party.

If the Democratic primary is up-ended by this pathetic woman and her husband, we have all lost a part of our freedom. It would not just be about FL and MI breaking the rules anymore. It would be that a fair and honest election cannot be held in America. I assure you if that happens, McCain WILL win.

***********I POSTED THIS BEFORE BUT I GUESS YOU MISSED IT*******************

FLORIDA COURT RULES AGAINST CLINTON
JUST HAPPENED WATCH SOME CNN

The Floria Court Does not buy your argument.

Court Rules the National party sets the rules that all parties agree too.

Court says it doesnt have the atority or inclanation to seat the delegates!

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yeah, they talk about seating the delegates not the actual VOTES.
media is soooo croocked on this one..they try to muddle to waters between the popular vote and the delegate vote..they make it look like the delegates have voted already when they haven't and that the popular vote doesn't count - while that is the ONLy vote that we have now.
the DNC can do nothing about the actual number of VOTES in FL. That's where teh argument regarding the popular vote comes from. and people in the media should report that popular vote in FL and MI - they have absolutely no reason not to report the way people cast their VOTE.
The DELEGATES wll make the ultimate judgement on that one at the Convention.
However, it is important to note that there is a precedent here:
The convention in 1984 (i think) had the same issue with iowa and new hampshire and they agreed to seat ALL delegates after a big huge fight.

Average Joe

"and that is NOT set by the DNC!
people VOTE based on the rules set by their states!"

***********I POSTED THIS BEFORE BUT I GUESS YOU MISSED IT*******************

FLORIDA COURT RULES AGAINST CLINTON
JUST HAPPENED WATCH SOME CNN

The Floria Court Does not buy your argument.

Court Rules the National party sets the rules that all parties agree too.

Court says it doesnt have the atority or inclanation to seat the delegates!

Careful Average Joe,

I may start liking you after all.

:)

Average Joe wro. Let all people finish voting without proclaiming that obama won until all the votes are in and COUNTED!
2. Let all DLEGATES vote at the Convention!

fair deal?
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Agreed, 100%!

See, we are not that far apart.

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cool! i didn't think we were :))

I would vote for Hillary but not Barack Obama --

I believe a woman should have the right to choose whether to continue a pregnancy if it effects her health or if the child may have a birth defect. I think those are deeply personal choices best left to individuals not governments. I do not believe a woman should be able to have an abortion because she forgot to take the pill and the baby is an inconvenience -- and I can't stomach the thought of preventing a doctor from treating a newborn whose only crime is that he or she survived an abortion procedure. Hillary's views are in line with mine. If the choice is between no abortion and allowing children to die because they are unwanted, I would choose no abortion. I have outlined why it won't come to that in an earlier post ... but if it does ... it does. I would give up the right to choose before I would condone infantcide.

When Republicans run adds accusing democrats of being to liberal, I am part of their target market--and not just on the abortion issue. I do have a tendency to move to the right instead of the left. That's why you have to have a centrist democrat to draw my vote. I don't want to vote Republican this year -- but if Obama is the candidate I won't have a choice.

Actually, I am almost to the point where I think somebody like Al Gore should step in at the convention and take the nomination away from them both ... that might be the only way to get to party unity this year.

Average Joe wro. Let all people finish voting without proclaiming that obama won until all the votes are in and COUNTED!
2. Let all DLEGATES vote at the Convention!

fair deal?
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Agreed, 100%!

See, we are not that far apart.

YES, YES,YES

But within the confines of the ORIGINAL RULES, as spelled out at the beginning of the campaign.

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wow.. we are making good progress here:

here is the thing: there is only ONE rule by which 'people' VOTE!
and that is NOT set by the DNC!
people VOTE based on the rules set by their states!

now, DELEGATES vote based on the DNC rules. and that is another story altogether.

on the DNC rules:
DELEGATES (both pledged and super) follow the DNC rules and they VOTE at the convention.
to date, there has be not a sinlge - not ONE - VOTE by any delegate!

so if you agree that people should VOTE - why not let them VOTE.
so,
1. Let all people finish voting without proclaiming that obama won until all the votes are in and COUNTED!
2. Let all DLEGATES vote at the Convention!

fair deal?

average joe

does hillary support the vote?

all signs point to the fact that she was against it up until she needed it

what does that tell you about her?

how have the clintons been acting lately?

They are desperate, so desperate they are doing and saying anything to plead their case...

This was their election to lose, and they lost,

to borrow a line from bill

"and dont let anyone tell you differently"

neil,

Since Mugabe only counts the votes that were cast FOR him, the comparison is really quite telling.

When Bill Clinton came to the White House in1993, Democrats were a congressional majority, with 258 seats in the House. When he left in 2001, they were a minority with 46 fewer seats. There were 30 Democratic governors, when he arrived, 21 eight years later.
A recent ABC News/Washington Post poll found nearly 60 percent of voters think Clinton is dishonest and will lie whenever she thinks she needs to.

jlynne wrote:

As much as the party may want unity, the party is asking me as a conservative democrat to do more than step out of my comfort zone --
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Thank you for the honest analysis. I respect your views.

I wish more bloggers would just debate the issues like you have.

My best to you.

jilynee

so you wouldnt be voting for hillary either

thanks for the input

FACT is that peopl voted uncomitted and that is the way they counted those votes :)
don't like it huh?
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Soooo, HRC origianlly pledged, along with the other candidates to take her name off.

Then pulls the old switcherooo and keeps her name on.

Then UNOPPOSED, she "wins" MI, in it's ILLEGAL election.

Then, pulls ANOTHER switcheroo, and wants to count the "illegal" election.

This playing "FAST and LOOSE" with the Rules is what we have had in the White House for the last 8 years.

WHY in the H#LL would I want to elect someone like that?

Clinton = Bush at this point

"What we want most is to defeat John McCain."

What we want most, Mary, is competent leadership for the sake of our country. Party allegiance went out the window when the DNC began its death march to the sea for that donor list.

jmc663,

HAHAHAHAHA

I can't vote for Barack Obama because of his stance on abortion, gun control, and the war on drugs. As much as the party may want unity, the party is asking me as a conservative democrat to do more than step out of my comfort zone -- the party is asking me to support someone whose positions I find unconscionable. John McCain isn't bad enough for me to do that.

Kate,

I see a DREAM TICKET for HRC

Clinton/Mugabe '08

They both don't like the RULES!!

Kate:

Appreciate your opinion.

Clinton was a great candidate who unfortunately ran a poor campaign. Now, though, it's time to come together as one Democratic Party to defeat McCain.

Let's hope for the future together!

Hillary takes the low road,

Obama takes the high road,

and he'll get to the

white House before her!

because in this country we DO count the votes!

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Unless we DON'T. like the 238,000 uncommited voters in MI.

In that case, they don't count, because, well...errr...they don't.

ONLY votes for HRC count.

Get your FACTS right, Average Joe.

Obama has collected the personal data for his 1.8 million donors and is selling that data to the super delegates. Win, lose, or draw he walks away from this election with a $200 million asset -- he is Washington's newest and most powerful power broker.

The supers are not selecting him for the good of the nation -- they are selecting him for their own political gain.

Mary,

OBAMA IS BETTER THEN HILLARY and mcbush

Hillary is better than mcbush

true..

Len:

You're the one sounding "a little out of control."

I am an Obama supporter. But, if Hillary had won the nomination, I would have voted for her. Can you say the same? Obama supporters want unity. It doesn't sound that way at all in the Clinton camp.

What we want most is to defeat John McCain.

news flash

FLORIDA COURT THROWS OUT CLINTON COURT CHALLANGE!!

THE PARTY SEAT THE RULES AND ONLY THE PARTY CAN CHANGE THEM!

: )

Average Joe:

Since you keep with the same rhetoric, I'm convinced that you are nothing more than a Republican in disguise.

Done.

OBAMA GETS:
–Guam Senator and Democratic National Committeeman Ben C. Pangelinan
–Oregon Democratic Chair Meredith Wood Smith.
–Colorado Democratic Chair Pat Waak.
Today’s tally: Obama 3, Clinton 0.
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Guess the Super aren't buying her arguments either.

Only 46 more to go!!

"Obama, once again, has taken the high road and ask his supporters to not rally at the DNC meeting."

If he didn't fear them why would he have to ask them to stay away? Can't they have a 'positive uplifting gang fight'?

Obama knows his supporters are out of his control and if confronted will act as they have on these blogs. Once the nation sees that, his future is a bit of soggy velveeta on wheat.

We will not unite. We will not support the DNC's rules. We will carry it all the way to November and if that means McCain is in the White House, so be it.

It's not the case of which party should win this fall. What's more important is who is the most deserving, most qualified candidate who can deliver soutions to our issues, regardless of party affiliations. If Obama is representing the dem party then we'd rather have someone else who is qualified with experience and sound judgement. Obama is not the man for this delicate position.

DUCK!

Hillary's catching up!

Oops, sorry.

She's so far back in the rear view mirror of this whole primary, we need a satellite to spot her.

In his March 25, 2008 column in the NY Times, Obama supporting David Brooks ticks off this as a reason why Hillary should get out of the race, as a proud accomplishment of the Obama campaign:

"Second, Obama’s lawyers successfully prevented re-votes in Florida and Michigan."

Obama just picked up two more supper delegates !

Can you feel Hillary's momentum ?

I guess those super D's missed the poll that Clinton is talking about!

Average Joe:

Once again, you seem to have trouble with the facts.

Obama came out with a press release to all of his supporters asking them to NOT hold any protest at the committee meeting on Saturday.

He did that for PARTY UNITY. Why hasn't Clinton come out to say the same? I'll tell you why. Because she cares more about HERSELF than what's good for the party.

What states did Barack Obama win after the Reverend Wright/Bill Ayers/Bittergate controversies came to light? North Carolina and Oregon.

What states did Hillary Clinton win after these controversies? Pennsylvania by a large margin, Ohio by a large margin, West Virginia by a huge margin, Kentucky by a huge margin. Indiana by a few votes.

It is very possible that Obama is ahead in the "math" because Super Tuesday occurred before the Obama scandals started making national headlines. Since you seem to have the math at your fingertips, can you give us a post-Reverend Wright pledged delegate and popular vote breakdown? I've read several places that she has been beating him by a substantial margin since the Reverend Wright issue came to light but I don't have a ready link to post.

That latest Rasmussen Tracking polls show McCain with a 4% lead over Obama in the General Election.

They also show that McCain has the support of 83% of Republicans, and 43% of Unaffiliated voters.

Obama has only 70% of support from Democratic voters, and 40% from Unaffiliated voters.

Sounds like trouble for Obama to me.

average joe

just because you say something over and over doesnt make it true...

ill take time out of my day to correct your falacies yet again

he asked his supporters to NOT intervene with the DNC meeting

unlike HILLARY CLINTON

who told her supporters to intervene

i hope they all end up in jail

The bottom line is no FL or MI counted and included, no voting.
Americans who feel this is a slap to ALL voters.....STAY HOME IN NOV.....
we do not count either!

Average Joe:

You're obviously talking about delegates voting at the convention in August.

Go ahead and state your lame case, but pledged delegates are NOT going to switch their votes from Obama to Clinton.

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excuse for asking this.. but that surely sounds like a threat to me..what exactly do you mean by that? and how exactly do you know that before the delegates actually VOTE??

LET PEOPLE VOTE!
LET THE DELEGATES VOTE!
LET THE DEMOCRAIC PROCESS RUN ITS COURSE!

florida and mi did not count-if they counted from the beginning than obama would have won mi and won florida!!

Yep the people in charge in FL and Mi are actually the ones to blame for the problems those states are in now for holding faulty elections. Problem is that Hillary the Unhinged agreed with them just like she agreed with Bush to go to war. Poor judgement all the way around.

Ready on Day 1? More crow anyone?

Vetted with the most experience? More Crow?

The best candidate? Deep fried crow?

Honest? Baked crow?

Skeletons? Buffet of crow?

It's a total CROW DOWN! Hotsauce?

ELECTIONS SHOULD BE FREE AND FAIR

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wow... what a concept..
YES
so they were in LF and MI! according to their states representatives who signed off on the final results!

LET PEOPLE VOTE!
LET THE DELEGATES VOTE!
LET THE DEMOCRAIC PROCESS RUN ITS COURSE!

Obama, once again, has taken the high road and ask his supporters to not rally at the DNC meeting.

Average Joe:

You're obviously talking about delegates voting at the convention in August.

Go ahead and state your lame case, but pledged delegates are NOT going to switch their votes from Obama to Clinton.

Or, you could go ahead and latch onto Bill Clinton's lame argument that Ted Kennedy took it all the way to the convention in 1980 and nobody told him to quit.

Well, Bill Clinton seems to have trouble with the facts, just like his wife. People did urge Ted Kennedy to quit, and he didn't. Guess what happened then? The Democratic Party was fractured and Ronald Reagan won the general election.

So, go ahead, and keep making your lame argument about PLEDGED DELEGATES voting at the convention.

Ya know Hillary the Unhinged had this race to lose...and she has lost through lying to people, race baiting and using the poor voters in MI and FL. While she thinks the DNC will save her she fails to realize these are the same people who said MI and FL could not vote early and if they did they lose their votes. Now she wants them to say "oh sorry" we were wrong. Not happening and so Hillary the Unhinged has decided to encite her supporters to the point that McCain wins in November. Yep she cares about the American people just as much as she cared about the voters in MI and FL in the beginning.

i've read that you oabama supporters will stage a rally to stop counting the votes in FL!

boy ooh boy.. here we go again..

LET PEOPLE VOTE!
LET THE DELEGATES VOTE!
LET THE DEMOCRAIC PROCESS RUN ITS COURSE!

Average Joe

WHY is obama opposing counting ALL THE VOTES?

The basic Principle that Hillary seems to forget when on her rants is that:

ELECTIONS SHOULD BE FREE AND FAIR

TELLING PEOPLE THAT AN ELECTION DOESNT MATTER IT WILL NOT COUNT!!! ONLY THEN TO SAY HA HA HA TRICKED YA IT COUNTS NOW!

DOESNT MATER YOU DIDNT GET TO CAMPAIGN THERE !

DOESNT MATER THAT PEOPLE KNEW ME BEFORE BECAUSE I WAS THE FIRST LADY THATS HUSBAND CEATED ON ME AND WAS IMPEACHED !

IT DOESNT MATER THAT YOU AND ALL THE OTHER REMAINING CANDIDATES REMOVED THEIR NAME FOR THE BALLOT THAT I WAS THE ONLY ONE ON THERE AND STILL ONLY GOT 50%

THAT IS REALLY MORE LIKE ZIMBABWE THAT IS WHAT YOU CALL AN INJUSTICE

OUR NATION IS BUILT ON FRE AND FAIR ELECTIONS

RULES ARE RULES !!

would an obama supporter join me and say (i know it is very hard for you to do it, but try it.. it feels good, for your children's sake..):

LET PEOPLE VOTE!
LET THE DELEGATES VOTE!
LET THE DEMOCRAIC PROCESS RUN ITS COURSE!

Only when you lie to them do they feel like they are getting the truth.

Posted by: Brian | May 28, 2008 10:52:49 AM
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Oops, I forgot. My bad.

Only Hillary can win the GE.

Only Hillary can save the World.

Hillary Clinton is the smartest woman ever born.

Hillary Clinton can believe "It's Not Butter"

Hillary Clinton can beat Mothra and Superman in a two-on-one.

Better?

Just more of what we have all come to expect from Hillary the Unhinged, more lies.
I just went to Real Clear Politicsw where they average all 7 of the major polling data..Obama beats Hillary the Unhinged by 10.7 today and beat her in ALL 7 pools from Rasmussum to Gallup.
IF I were a Hillary the Unhinged supporter? I would be really be concerned that she thought I was stupid

Just more of what we have all come to expect from Hillary the Unhinged, more lies.
I just went to Real Clear Politicsw where they average all 7 of the major polling data..Obama beats Hillary the Unhinged by 10.7 today and beat her in ALL 7 pools from Rasmussum to Gallup.
IF I were a Hillary the Unhinged supporter? I would be really be concerned that she thought I was stupid

The votes have been counted
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really, what votes are you talking about?

you might not know this but.. tehre aer still millions of people who have not voted yet.. and there are over 4 thousands delegates who have not voted yet..

LET PEOPLE VOTE!
LET THE DELEGATES VOTE!
LET THE DEMOCRAIC PROCESS RUN ITS COURSE!

AND if you READ any news article you will find that what occurs in the primary stage never applies in the GE LOL IF Obama was not fighting Hillary the Unhinged he would beat McCain in the electoral vote...oh by the way the one I am reading at Rasmussen does not agree with your numbers. Where did you find them?

Talking slower does not work with the Hillary the Unhinged crowd. Only when you lie to them do they feel like they are getting the truth.

Obama agreed to a caucus when MI proposed it.

Posted by: Brian | May 28, 2008 10:50:10 AM
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True, but you have to remember that according to HRC, caucus states don't count.

Obama wasnt agaist a revote he said that himself. He raised concerns about the Clinton campaign funding and organising a primary.... not ran by the DNC I wouldnt let the Clinton run an election if I was the apponent... would you ?

In Michigan he told them that running the election at the later stange was unfair as all the collages that had students where on holidays durring Clintons newly proposed time for the election.

Obamas letter to the DNC stated that the would prefer to stick to the DNC aproved nominating schedule and at the end of the process the DNC can determin the best course of action...

Guess what that what he has done!

So you too think that since Obama followed the rules and removed his name in MI that makes it a fair vote? what about all his supporters who have sent notice to the DNC that they stayed home since they were told their votes would not count? Fair? Not hardly. Only to a Hillary the Unhinged supporter.
Obama agreed to a caucus when MI proposed it.

this was lifted from a post by someone saying if she wants to start using polls to decide this thing about the GE then

"I'm with her on this. She wants to base the nomination on polls?

OK. She's behind Obama in California. She has to cede California. A brand new poll says he beats McCain in Ohio by 9. She has to cede Ohio.

It's the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard."

and i agree

the clintons like to claim one thing, but not hte other

count all the votes, but only until i start to lose

if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen, everyone is against us

this will be over feb 5th, this wont be over until we all vote

we dont watch polls, according to all the polls (or at least the ones we care to look at)

Hillary is winning, she is losing because of sexism, conspiracy, because people voted against her

AVERAGE JOE,

ONCE AGAIN..............

Privately funded elections in MICHIGAN are illegal.

They have to BE FUNDED by the STATE or by THE DNC.

What don't you get?

Should I say it sllloooowwweeeerrr?

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sure, go a bit slower, could you..

what private money are you talking about?
because i am talking about donor money - and that is fine in any state of this great nation of ours!

why do you obama supporters insist in coming up with all teh crap in the world to justify not letting people exercise tehir right to VOTE!

you really like that don't you..
we VOTE in america!
even if obama doesn't like that!
even if you obama supporters don't like that!

LET PEOPLE VOTE!
LET THE DELEGATES VOTE!
LET THE DEMOCRAIC PROCESS RUN ITS COURSE!

Average Joe:

The article itself says it all: hyperbole. Do you know what that means?

Of course Clinton wanted a re-vote in Michigan and Florda. She's BEHIND. She certainly wouldn't be calling for a re-vote if she had Obama's lead!

Also, how much power to you think the Obama campaign has? Wow! They had so much power that they were the ones who stopped the re-vote? NO. It was the inaction of Michigan's legislature that didn't vote on redoing the primary. One of the reasons why is because the Clinton campaign wanted a "closed" primary for Democrats only. Well, in the state of Michigan, we have "open" primaries, where anyone can vote.

So, again, I say to you: get your facts straight, please.

You obviously don't live in Michigan. We get it. You don't.

He isn't. When MI came up with a caucus he agreed and Hillary the unhinged is the one who said No. Remember, only when it benefits her will she agree.

Even IF Mi and FL are counted, she still will not catch Obama in the pledged delegates. Now the lawyers for the DNC have stated in a 38 page brief thay since THEY went against the rules, MI and FL can ONLY have 1/2 votes under the law.
Not even Clinton can change those rules regardless of how unhinged she becomes or lies like the one about leading in the polls. Check out Real Clear Politics if you have any questions as to her latest lie.

That revote was to be financed with clinton money

please

and as far as i have read his lawyers never STOPPED any revote, they questioned its lagisitcs as many did....

he has repeateadly said that we shoudl come to some resolution but ultimately it was up to teh rules committee to decide what to do

if you are going to argue with that then why did hillary say the votes wouldnt count? why was she fine with it?

and now that she is losing she is unfine with it?

this wouldnt be happening on her side if she were winning, and you can take that to the bank

Whatever way the votes came down, so be it. But the obvious solution in March seemed to be to revote them, to solve the crisis and enfranchise the Dems of FLA and MI. It's simply wrong to shut those Dem voters down, whichever way the vote goes.
Also, I'm sick and tired of Obama suppor