Argus Leader: Clinton's the One

"When HRC steps down with grace, she will allow her supporters to step up with grace." hah hah hah hah hah hah

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hail mary full of grace,
watch b o fall on his face
when he sees that we are right
and he cannot win this fight!

blame the party, DNC,
fractured fluke it's come to be,
made-up rules which spark and sizzle,
caused it's strength to wane and fizzle.

Though the DNC and press
To push Bozo did their best,
Covered up sins of commission
Thought they'd fade by pure attrition..
None the less and Yet each day,
Another Pastor came his way
Popped in and birthed a new disaster
And black marks on our list grew faster..
This, Coupled with his poor selection
Of friends and cohorts this election
Despite his posters love to schmooze..
Obama's going to lose!

The DNC must Know that they lose scores of voters who will flee B/C FL and MI are not included fully.
The primary was a waste of time as will be the GE.....Dem's lose the WH!
Obama will never win the GE, we will Never vote for him, NEVER!

TO:jmc663 | May 30, 2008 1:48:35 PM:

How come only Florida and Michigan were
treated like children while the other three (3) states were permitted to go on with their elections?

What the hell has happened to the Democratic party to come up with such un-democratic rules?

HEY EVERYBODY.

HILLARY IS STILL RUNNING.

I'M VOTING FOR HILLARY!!!

here is what time says:
..If the panel were to grant Clinton's wish, she would get 105 of Florida's 185 delegates as the top prize for winning the state's January 29 primary with 50% of the vote; Obama would get 67, and former North Carolina Senator John Edwards, who has since dropped out of the race and endorsed Obama, would get 13. As for Michigan, where neither Obama nor Edwards was on the ballot when Clinton won 55% of the vote, she would claim 73 of the state's delegates, with the rest of the delegation, reflecting the 40% that voted "uncommitted," free to pick their own candidate. This scenario would put Clinton within striking distance of Obama, with 1,677 pledged delegates to his 1,716, and also bolster her argument to superdelegates that she is the voters' first choice, since Clinton would overtake Obama in the popular vote if the two states' votes were counted in full.

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so let's see how this is supposed to work:
edwards boy 'gives' to oabama boy his delegates..
DNC committee 'gives' to obama boy some delegates.
heck, the boy doesn't have enough so why not..
from what i hear, nancy & harry want to 'give' some too..
and all along,
PEOPLE VOTE for hillary!!
DOES THE VOTE MATTER IN THIS COUNTRY ANYMORE?

If the panel were to grant Clinton's wish, she would get 105 of Florida's 185 delegates as the top prize for winning the state's January 29 primary with 50% of the vote; Obama would get 67, and former North Carolina Senator John Edwards, who has since dropped out of the race and endorsed Obama, would get 13. As for Michigan, where neither Obama nor Edwards was on the ballot when Clinton won 55% of the vote, she would claim 73 of the state's delegates, with the rest of the delegation, reflecting the 40% that voted "uncommitted," free to pick their own candidate. This scenario would put Clinton within striking distance of Obama, with 1,677 pledged delegates to his 1,716, and also bolster her argument to superdelegates that she is the voters' first choice, since Clinton would overtake Obama in the popular vote if the two states' votes were counted in full.

AINT GONNA HAPPEN!!

Yes, they could vote, no, they wont count per the SANCTIONS. I know those pesky rules keep getting in the way.

Meet me here tomorrow, I'll pat you on the back and make you feel better.

THe DNC has said in NO UNCERTAIN terms that it will NOT be as voted, PER THE SANCTIONS.

To believe it will be decided otherwise is pure fantasy.

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what 'sanctions' are those? coming from the obama camp?
they have NO RIGHT to ask for sanctions as long as obama was the only one who opposed the re-votes.
you obama folk never ceize to amaze me, you keep saying this stupid thing you will start believing it:
"it will NOT be as voted"?

we are way past the point where the sanctions argument had effect. that doesn't fly after hillary and the DNC said they were for a re-vote and obama against it.
obama basically, lost his right to the 'sanction' argument with that.
read something on what makes contracts legal in this country and you will find out.

trust me on this one:
if the DNC awards ANY delegate from MI to obama tomorrow, we WILL hit the streets.
FLORIDA 2000 NO MORE!

Hillary is winning the popular vote and with the that, the nomination.

the popular vote is the ONLY vote that has been cast so far.

the democratic big wigs have no business interfering with the process that the party set in place in the first place. if they do not like fights to go to convention they have a remedy:
change the election process!!
as it stands now, if the superdelegates do not agree with the PEOPLE's will there is only one way to solve this in a democratic way: convention!

COUNT ALL THE VOTES!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!

DEMOCRATS MUST FOLLOW THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!

Tell me your friends, I can tell who you are"

Wright/Pfleger/Farhakan/Ayers/Michelle/

WRIGHT:
Wright counseld Hillary and Bill durring there maraige criss.

PFLEGER:
Father of the Catholic church was a friend of MLK and RFK. Once said something that wasnt helpful but said sorry!

FARAHAKAN:
Marched with Bill Clinton in the million man march.

AYERS:
A member of the wether underground found not guilty by a court.

Other Members of the Weather Underground,Linda Sue Evans and Susan Rosenberg were pardoned. Weather Underground members, they were imprisoned on weapons and explosives charges Pardoned by Bil and Hillary Clinton.

Michelle a lovely lady class act !

Ok joe,

TOMORROW the DNC will Give HRC 69, Obama 58, cut in half the MI delegates or seat all with a half a vote each.

FL will have some similar equation.

What will you have to shout about then?

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if obama gets one single MI delegate it will be the END OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!

it will be a slap in the face for everything the democratic party stands for.
how can anyone award someone who went to great lengths to stop the most fundemantal right of our democracy: the VOTE?

obama did not get ANY votes in MI!!
not one single vote - how can he get ANY delegates?
out of thin air?

and yes, i will continue to say: CONVENTION!!

LET PEOPLE VOTE!

Hillary is winning the popular vote and with the that, the nomination.

the popular vote is the ONLY vote that has been cast so far.

the democratic big wigs have no business interfering with the process that the party set in place in the first place. if they do not like fights to go to convention they have a remedy:
change the election process!!
as it stands now, if the superdelegates do not agree with the PEOPLE's will there is only one way to solve this in a democratic way: convention!

COUNT ALL THE VOTES!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!

DEMOCRATS MUST FOLLOW THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!

AWESOME! Go, Hillary!

jmc663
my question still stays, why his name was there in florida in first place. Obama is a person who plays by the rules, as he says, then he should have waited.
Also if there are two states where you can not campaign - then you can not give out national ads. Its a lame excuse to say he can not control - he should know the rules - and avoided giving national ads before florida went to vote. But Florida was in his calculation - and hence by design he chose to give national ads. No leader gives national ads during primaries - they concentrate on the state they are fighting. There was no other way to reach the people of Florida, hence he used the Money advantage he had... A loophole - at best. Same dirty politics - that he says he is immune to.

Would someone please show me Senator Hillary Clinton's signature on a legal document stating she went along with the notion that the votes in MI and FL would not be counted. SHOW ME SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON'S SIGNATURE ON SAID DOCUMENT.

Ok The Agreement was by the DNC to sanction MI for moving ahead the Primary. The sanction stated MI would lose ALL it delegates and the votes would not count. ALL the candidates signed it.

By the time Obama et al found out what Clinton was up to, it was too late to get their names back on the ballot.

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so why did obama fight AGAINST the re-voet in MI?
let's summarize this here for a moment:
1. obama makes a CHOICE to remove his name from the MI ballot, deying MI their constitutional right to VOTE (the so called 'agreement' did NOT require him to remove his name fromt he ballot. making that argument is just ridiculous!)
2. when given the chance, obama faught against and not for allowing MI their constitutional to VOTE.

in all, obama didn NOT want ANY MI votes - that is more than clear here.

i am just not sure why you obama kids such anti-democratic efforts that obama clearly pushed.

and it was not the first time he did that. he made a habit of denying people their right to vote for the best candidate!

in fact, it was not the first time obama tried dirty tricks with the election process. he did that time and time again in chicago to eliminate his opponents before they even had a chance to compete with him!

Hillary is winning the popular vote and with the that, the nomination.

the popular vote is the ONLY vote that has been cast so far.

the democratic big wigs have no business interfering with the process that the party set in place in the first place. if they do not like fights to go to convention they have a remedy:
change the election process!!
as it stands now, if the superdelegates do not agree with the PEOPLE's will there is only one way to solve this in a democratic way: convention!

COUNT ALL THE VOTES!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!

DEMOCRATS MUST FOLLOW THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!

Senator Obama's name was on the Michigan ballot and it stayed there until the polls indicated he was at least 20 points behind Senator Clinton. He removed his name. He is a dud.
COUNT ALL THE VOTES---COUNT ALL THE BALLOTS---COUNT ALL THE STATES
Senator Obama is not a democrat. He is a socialist/Marxist. So far left, his politics are in the gutter.

The Obama supporters who keep bringing up the Kennedy death are desperate. Senator Clinton was using it as a reference to time, nothing more. But we have man who believes there are 57 states and can see fallen heroes in his audience. He has insulted and belittled 2/3 of Americans. He is a Socialist/Marxist. He is a dud.
COUNT ALL THE VOTES.

My only question is, why obama removed his name from MI and not in FL. If he had removed his name from both states then he has an argument. Keeping his name on one and not the other, seems to be some far reaching plan... a stretegy. And hence the votes should be counted as they were cast. He volunteered to remove his name, so he should be removed from counting. He advertised in Florida, through national tv ads, which is violation of agreement. And he should be disqualified from the race itself. that's the rule...

Average Joe,

The AGREEMENT became the RULES once all the parties signed them, GOT IT?

It's really not that hard, except that it pokes holes in your whole "Obama's choice, zero vote" argument.

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well, that is simply BS.

obama not only decided to remove his name from the ballot.
he also hired lawyers to FIGHT against an election in MI!

if there was any 'agreement' that you say, i can guarantee you that there was NO agreement that said that the democrats should DENY MI voters their constitutional right to VOTE!

obama had ALL the opportunities in the worlds to have his name on a ballot in MI.
he just did not want it! he did not want ANY votes from MI.

Hillary is winning the popular vote and with the that, the nomination.

the popular vote is the ONLY vote that has been cast so far.

the democratic big wigs have no business interfering with the process that the party set in place in the first place. if they do not like fights to go to convention they have a remedy:
change the election process!!
as it stands now, if the superdelegates do not agree with the PEOPLE's will there is only one way to solve this in a democratic way: convention!

COUNT ALL THE VOTES!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!

DEMOCRATS MUST FOLLOW THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!

Biden, Edwards, Obama and Richardson took "participate" at face value. So they took their names off so they would not "partcipate" in the MI Primary.

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that is just not 'logical'. on the one hand you say that obama followed the 'rules', then you turn around and say that they took their names off the ballot.. it just doesn't make sense..
there was NO rule that obama followed when he decided to take his name off the ballot. that is just BS.
truth is totally different - you just don't want to accept it since you are an obama blind folk:
there was NO rule that required obama to remove his name from the MI ballot.
it was obama's CHOICE!!
obama's CHOICE!!
obama's CHOICE!!
obama's CHOICE!!

get it? obama's CHOICE!! for pete's sake. this is America and he can do whatever he wants to do!

let us be honest here for a change:
obama and edwards decided to gang up on hillary in MI. they thought that by bunching together their votes they will defeat hillary. it didn't work!

hillary beat them up, all of them put together!

in fact, it was not the first time obama tried dirty tricks with the election process. he did that time and time again in chicago to eliminate his opponents before they even had a chance to compete with him!

Hillary is winning the popular vote and with the that, the nomination.

the popular vote is the ONLY vote that has been cast so far.

the democratic big wigs have no business interfering with the process that the party set in place in the first place. if they do not like fights to go to convention they have a remedy:
change the election process!!
as it stands now, if the superdelegates do not agree with the PEOPLE's will there is only one way to solve this in a democratic way: convention!

COUNT ALL THE VOTES!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!

DEMOCRATS MUST FOLLOW THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!

After reading from various sources and from bloggers, I understand that the Primary system of the Democratic Party is conceived this way :
-There are the popular votes that express the will of voters to choose a candidate as their preferred one to run in the General Election.
-There are the delegates who signal by their supports and endorsements of a candidate that they prefer such or such candidate.
- There are the superdelegates who remain in the uncommitted sphere, at least during the process of the primary contests, and since they are supposed to be wise they have to keep some distance and observe, so they are able to commit themselves with their votes in case of a primary election that is problematic, like this one in which neither has reached the number of delegates necessary to be declared as the official nominee.
So in that case they are the ones who decide.

However the issue at hand is this:
- HC and her campaign have been blamed for not paying attention to the caucuses and instead put all her efforts in big states, swing states etc...
As a result of her campaign strategy,when she wins a big state, her gain margin of votes is proportionally higher, for instance 100,000 in Texas; compared to BO winning in Idaho with a margin of 13000 votes.
- However the system of delegates allocation in the Democratic Party seems to allow the support of partisans and militants to take over and minimize the importance of the popular votes.
For instance, for her victory in Texas, she gains 65 delegates while BO got 61.
On top of that, "on election night, according to the Texas Democratic Party, nearly 1 million Democrats-many of whom had already voted in the day's primary- gathered in party caucuses. How many came out on either side, but more came out for Obama than for Clinton. For that Obama was awarded 38 delegates to Clinton's 29."(Byron York's article).
So "Obama left Texas with 99 delegates to Clinton's 94 - even though Clinton handily won the contest in which votes were actually counted."
In the case of Idaho, for a margin of 13000 votes, BO got 15 delegates to 3 for Clinton.
-With that kind of system, the popular votes lose their weight to the expression of partisanship. Obviously, within the party there is a strong push towards BO as the nominee.
So everything would have worked fine following their scheme, except that everytime the popular votes upset the plan. HC campaign has survived thanks to the support of the popular votes in big and important states. So that the effort of Dean and the BO campaign to push her out is defeated every time.
-Now HC claims that she has the support of popular votes and don't want to be pushed out as she wants to prove that she can win in the General Election.
With the coming elections, if she wins big, indeed she has reasons to make her case to the convention and asks the uncommitted superdelegates to decide.
I believe that at that time it will be the re-voting of the delegates with the superdelegates having then their say.

We have been through arguments from both sides :that she has lost because she did'nt grant importance to caucuses. From the side of her campaign, the argument is that the support of the popular votes in big states is going to matter in the General Election.
To this stage, BO supporters want her to bow out, and her supporters want her to go on and to the convention.
She sent a letter to the Superdelegates a couple of days ago. The letter is published in Realclear politics.
Many people want to know what is going on. I hope I have contributed in clarifying a number of things, which I have learnt by reading articles and blogs including this one.

Is that all that surprising?

not TURE!
there was NO rule that required obama to remove his name from the MI ballot.
it was obama's choice!!

let us be honest here for a change:
obama and edwards decided to gang up on hillary in MI. they thought that by bunching together their votes they will defeat hillary. it didn't work!

in fact, it was not the first time obama tried dirty tricks with the election process. he did that time and time again in chicago to eliminate his opponents before they even had a chance to compete with him!

Hillary is winning the popular vote and with the that, the nomination.

the popular vote is the ONLY vote that has been cast so far.

the democratic big wigs have no business interfering with the process that the party set in place in the first place. if they do not like fights to go to convention they have a remedy:
change the election process!!
as it stands now, if the superdelegates do not agree with the PEOPLE's will there is only one way to solve this in a democratic way: convention!

COUNT ALL THE VOTES!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!

DEMOCRATS MUST FOLLOW THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!

Not all the votes they knew this would happen WOW break the rules and they cry foul>>>>>>>Send a great message to the youth of this country,,,,The popular vote does not count so she can say she has it but she don't the figures are NOT true....Giving her all of MI is not right Obama was not on the ballot geeeeze you follow the rules and now WHAT????Just because the witch didn't follow through with her part of this ,she signed this agreement too now the bag wants to change rules ,,,,Wait how can she do this is she God did some one die and leave her in charge????Did I miss something??????