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I guess people do not remember how Bill Clinton's actions in the White House did nothing for Al Gore in 2000. I suppose most people do not remember how the Clintons were investigated from the time they announced their run in 92 until they left in 2001 and continue to be investigated in 2008. I guess the media does not think it is worth any coverage when one of Hillary's main campaign workers goes to jail for election fraud. Then there is White Water, her votes supporting the war, and her inflammatory remarks about Iran. Her affiliations with radicals that make anything Obama has been associated with look like kindergarten stuff. I believe she has been everything from a Republican to a Communist or extreme radical supporter to a Democrat. She has run a poor campaign and much like her lame attempt to ram her version of health care down everyone's throat in 93 that was met with disaster I believe that is exactly how she will try and run her administration. She has all of these plans but has anyone bothered to ask Congress what they think. If it is anything like Congress's reaction to her gas holiday I do not expect her to get much support. This means to me that she will be a continuation of the same old politics with Hillary never getting any support from Republicans and probably not much from her own party. In fact her only successes will be much like Bill's were. Republican initiatives like Nafta and welfare reform that were not supported by his own party. This of course led to more jobs being shipped overseas and less or no money when it comes to us taking care of our own right here in this country. I do not think people should live off of the government. But when we got people hurting with high prices, when we got people dying from bridges collapsing, and when we got graduation rates of just 25 % I think we need to seriously think about helping ourselves for a change instead of playing world cop. That is what we got the UN for. 41 used the UN very successfully. I think 43 should have learned something from his old man instead of worrying about outdoing him. McCain is nothing more than four more years of the same thing. Plus there is nothing straight talking about him that I can see. So let's try something new and go for the guy who grew up a lot like a lot of us did. By the way I am one of those supposedly less educated, older white folks.

I guess people do not remember how Bill Clinton's actions in the White House did nothing for Al Gore in 2000. I suppose most people do not remember how the Clintons were investigated from the time they announced their run in 92 until they left in 2001 and continue to be investigated in 2008. I guess the media does not think it is worth any coverage when one of Hillary's main campaign workers goes to jail for election fraud. Then there is White Water. Her votes supporting the war and her inflammatory remarks about Iran. Her affiliations with radicals that makes anything Obama has been associated with look like kindergarten stuff. I believe she has been everything from a Republican to a Communist or extreme radical supporter to a Democrat. She has run a poor campaign and much like her lame attempt to ram her version of health care down everyone's throat in 93 that was met with disaster I believe that is exactly how she will try and run her administration. She has all of these plans but has anyone bothered to ask Congress what they think. If it is anything like Congress's reaction to her gas holiday I do not expect her to get much support. This means to me that she will be a continuation of the same old politics with Hillary never getting any support from Republicans and probably not much from her own party. In fact her only successes will be much like Bill's were. Republican initiatives like Nafta and welfare reform that were not supported by his own party. This of course led to more jobs being shipped overseas and less or no money when it comes to us taking care of our own right here in this country. I do not think people should live off of the government. But when we got people hurting with high prices. When we got people dying from bridges collapsing. When we got graduation rates of just 25 % I think we need to seriously think about helping ourselves for a change instead of playing world cop. That is what we got the UN for. 41 used the UN very successfully. I think 43 should have learned something from his old man instead of worrying about outdoing him. McCain is nothing more than foir more years of the same thng.Plus there is nothing straight talking about him that I can see. So let's try something new and go for the guy who grew up a lot like a lot of us did.

JACKSMITH working class -
you Clintonians like your magical math.
Hillary went into PA with a 20-25pt lead over Obama and came out with a win of only 9 pts. This is your crushing victory over Obama? Interestingly enough, in typical Clinton spin, her campaign are saying if she only loses by 10pts in N Carolina, where Obama started with a 20pt lead, that this somehow will also be a victory for her. The same virtual scenario.... but each time its somehow cast as a win for Hillary.... Clintonian madness rides again!!

In response to JACKSMITH -
Like most Clintonians me thinks you mispeak on this one.
Hillary was favoured to win in PA by 20-25 points going in. In the end she won by 9pts. Obama was favoured by 20 pts going into N.Carolina, but the Clintonians are saying that if Hillary only loses by 9pts then she wins..... Explain the logic to me ? According to the Clintonians, but are wins for Hillary. And her 9 point victory, down from her original 20-25pt lead in PA - is a crushing defeat?
Do you think people aren't seeing this?

Mellencamp hasn't even endorsed anyone and he is already being bad mouthed by the Clinton support group..... GET A LIFE.....

These are unofficial results until the other 500 votes are counted.

DEBATE! DEBATE!! DEBATE!!!

It's time for everyone to face the truth. Barack Obama has no real chance of winning the national election in November at this time. His crushing defeat in Pennsylvania makes that fact crystal clear. His best, and only real chance of winning in November is on a ticket with Hillary Clinton as her VP.

Hillary Clinton seemed almost somber at her Pennsylvania victory speech. As if part of her was hoping Obama could have proved he had some chance of winning against the republican attack machine, and their unlimited money, and resources.

But it is absolutely essential that the democrats take back the Whitehouse in November. America, and the American people are in a very desperate condition now. And the whole World has been doing all that they can to help keep us propped up.

Hillary Clinton say's that the heat, and decisions in the Whitehouse are much tougher than the ones on the campaign trail. But I think Mr. Obama faces a test of whether he has what it takes to be a commander and chief by facing the difficult facts, and the truth before him. And by doing what is best for the American people by dropping out of the race, and offering his whole hearted assistance to Hillary Clinton to help her take back the Whitehouse for the American people, and the World.

Mr. Obama is a great speaker. And I am confident he can explain to the American people the need, and wisdom of such a personal sacrifice for them. It should be clear to everyone by now that Hillary Clinton is fighting her heart out for the American people. She has known for a long time that Mr. Obama can not win this November. You have to remember that the Clinton's have won the Whitehouse twice before. They know what it takes.

If Mr. Obama fails his test of commander and chief we can only hope that Hillary Clinton can continue her heroic fight for the American people. And that she prevails. She will need all the continual support and help we can give her. She may fight like a superhuman. But she is only human.

Sen. Hillary Clinton: "You know, more people have now voted for me than have voted for my opponent. In fact, I now have more votes than anybody has ever had in a primary contest for a nomination. And it's also clear that we've got nine more important contests to go."

Sincerely

Jacksmith... Working Class :-)

everyone, thank god for freedom...let it ring. john mellancap is torn between the two...he is a small town man from indiana, wow, i am a small town girl from iowa...go hillary

Mellencamp is drawn to both candidates, because he is very much like them – a very rich, very successful capitalist who dons a working man’s shirt to lecture us about the evils of capitalism.

hi everyone....go hillary..even tho she lost by what a whole 7 votes.....let's pay attention to what really matters...the GE....are you with me..

It's so funny all this chatter over 7 votes and missing ballots. The irony of all this is I heard on CNN this morning that Guam is only allowed to vote in primary and CANNOT VOTE IN THE GENERAL....so what's the big deal? Really...none of their votes will matter in November. For what it's worth every news channel I watch (I watch all of them) said Guam was Obama's to win (considerably). Let's just let this rest and wait for Tuesday's results. Anything out of Guam is nothing except their Super D's and 2 went to Obama and 1 to Hillary today. The other 2 are undecided...so there you have it. Indiana will be a better barometer (NC historically votes REP in general) so let's wait for Tues.

Onlooker:

Don't worry; the Obama-Wright break-up is naught but a political ploy tp gather the pity perk for Obama and to keep his name in the blogs.

Before the primaries are over, the two of them will be best buds again.

This is from Tom Friedman's op-ed in the NYTimes... I think Sen. Obama needs to go on the offensive about this whole "tough" and "patriotism" questioning that we keep hearing..yes, he is tough, and it's because he's the candidate most willing to tell the truth...

From the article:
"Much nonsense has been written about how Hillary Clinton is “toughening up” Barack Obama so he’ll be tough enough to withstand Republican attacks. Sorry, we don’t need a president who is tough enough to withstand the lies of his opponents. We need a president who is tough enough to tell the truth to the American people. Any one of the candidates can answer the Red Phone at 3 a.m. in the White House bedroom. I’m voting for the one who can talk straight to the American people on national TV — at 8 p.m. — from the White House East Room.

Who will tell the people? We are not who we think we are. We are living on borrowed time and borrowed dimes. We still have all the potential for greatness, but only if we get back to work on our country.

It is especially not trivial now, because millions of Americans are dying to be enlisted — enlisted to fix education, enlisted to research renewable energy, enlisted to repair our infrastructure, enlisted to help others. Look at the kids lining up to join Teach for America. They want our country to matter again. They want it to be about building wealth and dignity — big profits and big purposes. When we just do one, we are less than the sum of our parts. When we do both, said Shriver, “no one can touch us." "

if anyone is looking for answers
about what's happening in our caucuses....

look no further.

This is compliments of Mark.

The Commander Guy: You're right! It is a delegate race. It's amazing that the media haven't cottoned on to that simple fact yet. I mean, they're still reporting Texas as a win for Hillary Clinton, even though Barack Obama won more delegates from the state. Same with Nevada.

But if people really understood that this was a delegate race, they couldn't keep up the line that this is still a "close" race. Clinton has lost the delegate race, because there's no way she's going to get 72% or more of the vote in each of the subsequent primaries, plus 2/3 of the remaining superdelegates. And without that, she won't be able to overtake Obama in the delegate count. It's not going to happen, but it doesn't matter for the media narrative - because so few people understand your point.

My question is, if Guam folks are all US citizens, why cant they vote in the first place?

You mean there are US citizens out there who have no right to vote?

The Obama bus is on it's way to Guamt to stop the recount. Hold it, they just announced there are uh technical problems in getting there - so they're sending John Bolton instead.

American9,

We've got to expose her. Pls forward the info. to anyone you know.

Owen,

I will get the case number soon. But the link below brings out names that should lead you to the reality of this case.

Where is Rezko case now?

Just as Supreme Court Juste Scalia said about the 2000 election.

Get over it.

Michigan and Floridaian's vote was screwed by the system for the Primary rules.

Just as the Surpeme Court Screwed the American People in 2000.

Get over it,,, it done.

American9

Is that story for real?

Is it total only 8 delegates?
He urged to Recount it.
What about MI and Fl?
What about it Obama?

Owen

To make a long story short.. My take is that Hillary is doing what old Bill has done in his term.

Forget the Rules of the game, Play by my rules because He and She is an Elitist and they make the rules as they go.

Just like the push for the Florida and Michagan turn around of the RULES.

Remember they use to call him "Slick Willy"

Melanie,

Good point.

Can anyone please explain this story about Peter Paul Vs Hillary Clinton? It's on the blogs now. It's about stuff on fraud and campaign finance against Hillary. Who is Peter Paul? Why is no one talking about this? Isn’t this a serious issue in a general election? This has been described as the campaign finance scandal of the new millennium and no one wants to discuss it. Does America not deserve better? I leave it to you guys to decide.

tomdavie, so are so paranoid. This election has been exciting because we have 2 viable canidates. The people voted in the primaries not the supers. But there isn't a clear winner so of course it's up to them. But to say it's an inside job is ludicrous.

According to what I am hearing, this whole nomination is an inside job.

The Clinton Base of the party vs Kennedy Kerry Pelosi and others on the left side who want control of the party.

The voters dont get to decide any of it. Super delegates will. Whoever came up with this proportinal distribution system are IDIOTS.

That splits the vote and give the super delegates the real say.

libby | after reading your link.

WoW this article may convince me she is guilty as charged.

It stated:

It's false, though, that the Clintons feigned no knowledge of Paul. True, they hardly came rushing forward to volunteer the various contacts they'd had with him. But they didn't pretend not to know him. Paul's video makes deceptive use of a clip from an ABC "20/20" segment in which reporter Brian Ross asks Clinton if she recalls Peter Paul, and she turns and walks away

It is a delegate Race.

It does not matter who got 50% + 1 of the vote. The delegates will be split evenly. O may get an extra Supa D out of it.

OK let me educate the rabid Obamatons who keep pushing the Paul vs Clinton idiocy.

Your Peter Paul is a four time convicted felon. Yeah Obamatons he is a felon!!

Anyway the same BS he is pushing in his court case has been debunked by FactCheck (an independent non-partisan website)

Tina from Florida

As I said you need to take it up with your state elected Officials that agreed to the rules.

They let you down.

Rules are Rules or we have no rules.

no church rules, no police rules, no civil rules, no criminal rules, no political rules.

I have to give it to John Mellencamp. He is a true Democrat. He supports both. A lot different than the psycho-rabid followers on the Obama and Hillary camps.

You all so called Democrats could learn from Mellencamp's example.

America9, I always vote even when I am told it will not count. My point, how can an Obama win ever be considered legitimate if all votes are not counted.

While I have concerns about Mr. Obama's candidacy, it is incorrect to assume "some sort of Black agenda". In fact, I believe Mr. Obama will not do much for African-Americans.
What we have to be concerned about is his hidden agenda for some controversial Muslim nations and Hamas. After all, he said in his book that he will side with Muslims when things get ugly. Just what he means by that, God only knows! This man has intermingled with anti-American radicals and conveniently switches story line depending upon his audience.
And we all should know that he is of mixed race. He was raised by white grandparents and after graduation from Harvard he wanted to identify himself with his natural father, who contributed little to his upbringing. He wanted to be "black". Then as his aspirations and desires for power-play rose of late, he wants to get in touch with his white roots. Thus, he demands whites to vote for him. Only racist whites will not vote for him, he indirectly says through his supporters.
When Rev. Wright said that Mr. Obama is a politician and will say what a politician would have to say to get votes, he was absolutely correct. After all, Rev. Wright should know Mr. Obama better after all the 20 years of interaction. How dare Rev. Wright hurt Mr. Obama (by saying the truth about him), the left demanded. So the pastor, who was a great man up until a couple of weeks ago, is now to be condemned. This would detract everybody from paying any attention to what Rev. Wright had said. Again, a clever strategy.

tww Opps there you go..

Most all of these contest in every state the Prediction has been awarded before it reaches 50%. The reason why is that the voters percentage stays about the same after that. How is it that up to 79% (noted that there was an hour or more before it changed) that Obama was leading by 7% and all of a sudden Hillary jumped ahead to tie.

I don't think SO.

Bill pulling out favors again.

Sue, give me a break. Don't give me this stuff about Obama and Wright. I'm talking about running a campaign, much like running this country. She failed miserably. She thought she would have this wrapped up by super tuesday. And that is why she ran out of money and also why she didn't concentrate on caucus states. She doesn't have foresight. Or else she was just to arrogant thinking this was hers for the taking.

Guam found 500 more uncounted ballots!!!! Still hope for Hillary

Losing by seven votes to Obama must be devastating to Clinton's ego.

What about the civil lawsuit, Paul v. Clintons for campaign finance fraud, theft, and breach of contract.

Losing by seven votes to Obama must be devastating to Clinton's ego.

What about the civil lawsuit, Paul v. Clintons for campaign finance fruad, theft, and breach of contract.

Tina from Florida,, just my thoughts..

You know what Tina, it is not Obama or the DNC that is at fault here, what you need to do is vote the state representatives out of office that agreed to the RULES of the PRIMARY then allowed the Republicans to decide when the Democrats will hold the Primary. If you had real leaders there they would have open a bill to be excluded from the early Primary and voted in a later contest as they agreed.

Tell you what, if the DNC will not stand by the rules agreed to by Florida and Michigan, why should there be any RULES. (why should anyone follow any rules/laws)..

Even if Obama wins by the 7 votes, he gets two delegates and Hillary gets two delegates. They just elected at least one of their super delegates. I think they have 5. I don't know if they have endorsed anyone yet. I think I read they are projecting a split there also.

We fear what we don't understand. Check out the Trinity United Church of Christ website to understand more about what they are about. Rev. Wright has had his retirement party. The United Church of Christ is predominantly populated by whites, although they have been one of the first churches in the U.S. to accept all people.

Lisa--tell me again who it is who is running a poor campaign? It's not Clinton who has won every big states we need to win in the fall. It's Obama who used such POOR judgement he had as a spiritual mentor, a person he had the closest personal relationship with, someone who is an unapologetic racist and america basher. It's the worst judgment to not have walked away before now, to have mishandled this so badly so he can't win in November now. He's mortally wounded even if he is given the nomination in an act of affirmative action b/c his followers are threatening race riots. Yes, he will have a delegate lead, but not enough delegates to win. He's a weak candidate now and if he gets it, it will be b/c of fear. And once again we will have nominated a liberal, unelectable candidate. So no, Clinton has run a feisty, tough, relentless campaign and has shown the strength to run this country. Barry isn't up for it.

Guam vote toals have not been certified

Herbie Perez, chairman of the nominating committee, said she will not certify the results because the Committee needs to ensure that all the uncounted ballots were properly identified as "spoiled."

She said officials from the Party and representatives from both candidates will meet probably Monday or Tuesday to address that issue.

Perez revealed she is also looking into the missing ballots.

AVUSA, I don't care what anyone agreed on. The voters of Florida were never asked their opinion. I did my job as a voter on 29 Jan and I want it counted. If your vote counted so should mine.

Hillary promised these people to let them vote in the GE. What a pathetic loser. She'll say anything. Promise anything, no lie is off the table.

I'm a Jew and I'm voting for Obama. I can trust what he says. Hillary hugs Arafat’s wife and kisses Jews a the same time. What a Shameless, two-faced politician.

7 more popular votes ahead of Hillary and 4 supers today net 3

Tina from Florida, your VOTE does not count and Hillary wanted it that way. Now Hillary has changed her mind and wants the Florida vote to count. How can you support a candidate who did not want you to count to begin with?
YES, Hillary agreed Florida and Michigan should not count way back last fall. Check your facts.

Sue, that's a good point. As far as I can remember every-other caucus has been a blowout by Obama. Good sigh for Clinton. And why does Guam get a vote and I don't?

I've said this before and I'll say it again. If Hillary runs the country like she has run her campaign then we are in deep trouble if she is president. That to me is a great indicator.

Tina from Florida, your doent count and Hillary wanted it that way. Now Hillary has changed her mind and wants the Florida vote to count. How can you support a candidate who did not want you to count to begin with?
YES, Hillary agreed Florida and Michigan should not count way back last fall. Check your facts.

Obama can't even win caucuses by much anymore.

Obama said his relationship with Wright "had changed" (only b/c Wright called him out as a liar and phony). How has it changed? The media leapt on that and said it was a "divorce" that he had "seperated himself". Obama never said that. Never. He calls Wright his former pastor b/c Wright has retired except Wright is listed as senior pastor and is still affiliated with Trinity. They are building him a 10 million dollar house (in a white neighborhood. Those rich white folks aren't so bad afterall). Yet, Obama never said he was leaving Trinity. Oprah did it..why can't he? So has Obama disowned Wright? Will Obama be leaving Trinity finally? My guess is no to both.

Obama is wrong for America. Dems join me in stating loudly that our party can not nominate the likes of Obama who supported with his dollars, and attendance, and deep, close personal relationship to both, a pastor and church that is anti-american and racist!! Obama can't handle Wright, he can't handle this nation's top job. His kind of change is not what this country needs.

Hillary '08 or McCain!

It's ironic that Guam gets a voice in this nomination while Florida and Michigan get locked out.

Anyway John Mellencamp must be a really nice guy, supporting both candidates. I wish I were more like him, but I am all Clinton.

I wonder why Hillary couldn't get 7 votes.

just found 500 plus ballots. shades of cook county, ill. politics. They always seem to find ballots when their candidate (obama) is losing. during the election between Kennedy and Nixon, Kennedy lost Ill., all of a sudden cook county found extra ballots, Kennedy won the election. All these extra ballots were votes by dead people in the cemetary.

We may have to get the supreme court in on this one.

Obama was never the underdog in Guam. He was supposed to win big time. But I will congratulate him on his 7 vote win.

How did Hussein win if they each same number of delegates? Oh yes, there were 7 more blacks who voted for Obama!

Sorry, forgot!

Black Americans for Hussein Obama!

I just love how the Obama supporters spin this Hillary was to win Guam, that is so funny when the media was saying it was going to be a landslide for Obama, since he was a island boy and the people there can relate to him.

Keep spinning all you want Obama got it handed to him big time

__I consider Guam a significant win. Obama started out as an underdog with the Clinton name being known internationally.__
Kay- Obama was favored big there.. kindof like Hawaii. The fact that it was that close is curious.

Ref to Baltimore Sun:

People are worried that "race is playing more of an issue in the campaign"

and that after Wright's latest statements,

"people are starting to wonder if there's some sort of black agenda at work."

It's SCARY for US.

Superdelegates - don't look for your career (career is not important if you are not alive), choose right! You don't have to be afraid of Obama's people. OK?

Wasn't Obama supposed to win Guam big?

Eric, the trouble is for Hill the Bosnian General who made promises to bring every person from Guam to the moon. Obama has won and a win is a win, congratulations to him and his campaign he has 4 more delegates+superdelegates and Hill has 3 so it its PA-1, so the count is moving further. Tuesday, Obama will close the deal and Hill will get out as her horse at the Kuntacky's derby. God save America from Hillary and her beloved friend the old McCain. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.

Recount? sigh.. Its like 2000 all over again
:(

OH NOOOO! NOT A RECOUNT... AAAAAAH!
7 VOTES.....file a greivance with the supreme court. I demand justice...every vote should be counted. This is unjust!!

Officials Say Recount Is 'Imminent'
Pacific News Center Staff Reporter 04.MAY.08
*9:30 a.m.* Guam - The Democrat Party Nominating Committee said officials will look over the large amount of "spoiled ballots" in the coming days.

At issue is the small margin of victory of Senator Barack Obama. He beat his rival, Senator Hillary Clinton by 7 votes, but well over 500 ballots were deemed invalid during the tabulation process.

Herbie Perez, chairman of the nominating committee, said she will not certify the results because the Committee needs to ensure that all the uncounted ballots were properly identified as "spoiled."

She said officials from the Party and representatives from both candidates will meet probably Monday or Tuesday to address that issue.

Perez revealed she is also looking into the missing ballots.

More than 8,100 were printed in response to reports of shortages at precinct sites. But when the final tally came in, only a little over 4,500 ballots were used.

I consider Guam a significant win. Obama started out as an underdog with the Clinton name being known internationally. And he is definitely holding his own ( as in winning).
I voted in Indiana on Thursday (absentee as did my 21 year old daughter-her first time to vote.
I pray for Obama to win. And Hillary can go get a job in a gas station and learn how to pump gas like the rest of us "little" people

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH! only 7 votes. Thats it throw in the towel Obama is done.

Obama had an office in Guam and had his half sister from Hawaii campaign there and all he can do is beat her by 0.15%? 7 votes out of 4521 votes? He's the one putting so much money in radio and tv ads in Guam. Wow...

It means any win he has will be played down as expected and obvious and any win she may have will be hailed as a new landing on the moon.

But by now I think Mr. Obama expects that.

Eric, you are so right..7 votes, this is doom for Obama HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You should be an analyist for CNN! Chill...it's just GUAM.

Its kinda funny how Obama is against the gas tax holiday. In the US Senate, he has voted 3 times to suspend the gas tax over the summer. Did he press the wrong button again?

They are doing a recount? Still should be a 2-2 split.

Posted by: Recount in Guam Underway | May 3, 2008 9:26:25 PM

Yep, read that as well. Something about 500+ votes/ballots that were not counted yet and so they are going to have to count those votes and will do a recount of all the votes and then announce the final results whenever that is finished.

And yes, still should be a 2-2 split no matter who comes out on top.

"A win is a win" to quote some people.

The pander made by Clinton about the right to vote by the way was the same pander she made for Bill Clinton in 1992 there. Just like the inane gas tax holiday idea designed to prey on low information voters. Such a policy would only result in higher fuel cost and greater profits for the oil companies. This idea has been studied and tried, it does not work and the consumer never sees a dime. It is the same old politics.

My vote is on Obama.

They are doing a recount? Still should be a 2-2 split.

The "home town" Obama who supposedly had a huge built in advantage won by just 7 votes...could this mean trouble for him on Tuesday?