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Bill Clinton Vs. 'Them'

May 27, 2008 10:20 AM

He went on a tear over the weekend, the 42nd president of these United States.

In Fort Thompson, SD, former President Bill Clinton said  his wife "will win the general election if you nominate her," per ABC News' Sarah Amos. "They're just trying to make sure you don't."

The evil THEY are also pushing superdelegates to decide. And THEY don't want you to know that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, is polling stronger against Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., than Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, in some polls in some key states.

"I cant believe it. It is just frantic the way they are trying to push and pressure and bully all these superdelegates to come out," Bill Clinton said. "'Oh, this is so terrible: The people they want her. Oh, this is so terrible: She is winning the general election, and he is not. Oh my goodness, we have to cover this up.'"

"We have to cover this up"?

Oh my goodness indeed.

Bill Clinton said that "she will win the general election if you nominate her. They're just trying to make sure you don't."

He also said that if South Dakotans for vote his wife, 'and she does well in Montana and she does well in Puerto Rico, when this is over she will be ahead in the popular vote. And they're trying to get her to cry uncle before the Democratic Party has to decide what to do in Florida and Michigan…"

So today's quiz question: Who is "they"?

A) Democratic Party leaders
B) The media
C) The Obama campaign
D)  Voters
E) A and B
F) A, B and C
G) "THEM," the horror horde of giant crawl-and-crush atomic ants from the 1954 film

- jpt

UPDATE: The answer, per a spokesman for former President Clinton, is "B" -- "pundits and the media." Not the giant atomic ants, sorry.

May 27, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (100)

User Comments

Et tu Clyburn? Then fall Clinton.....

Posted by: hombre | May 29, 2008 2:08:10 AM

Whatta way for the silver-tongued,
Teflon coated hero of the Democrat
party to leave the stage....dragged
off by the very offal that propped
him up for so many years. They are
just beginning to smell an aroma
about him that many of us whiffed
way back in '92. A Clinton by any
other name is just old, offensive
cheese.

Posted by: hombre | May 29, 2008 2:00:37 AM

I do not understand how you Democrats can let some "super delegate" decide who will be your nominee for the greatest position in the world.

Can't you see the party members hold the real power in your party and not the voters. How can you let this stand.

Posted by: republican | May 28, 2008 5:20:47 PM

The only thing being covered up is that Bill & Hillary are working with the GOP to destroy the Democrats.

Posted by: Thomas Mc | May 28, 2008 11:15:55 AM

It looks like there are two Janes posting here. I am the one who supports Hillary.
The answer F seems much likely to portray the situation.
I remember the primary season starting with the media attacking Hillary"s voting for the war. The media doesn't care about her nuanced position about the war, just became a platform for attacks. And all the people pro BO supporting the attacks were all over the blogs. Since then the media has been steady at their jobs : the washington post for instance.
Here and there delegates step out to endorse him especially when she wins a state. So there seems to be a pattern of strategy of agreement between the leaders of the party (delegates and some superdelagates) and the media and the BO campaign.
But I wonder if all the leaders of the party agree. We haven't got to the chapter of the convention yet. If all the leaders agree Hillary is done. But if they don't and it should be that way, then there is hope. Otherwise this is not the democratic party anymore. This would be like a "coup d'etat" within the party.
The sentiment of undemocratic practice in this race will be the real dividing line. The voters who want this to be a real democratic fight so they can choose their candidate feel cheated. I don't know if the Party realizes this.
They think Hillary supporters will just fall behind the party line. They belittle the judgement of the voters. That's bad and that's wrong.
I don't blame voters who say BO is an empty suit.

Posted by: Jane | May 28, 2008 3:26:20 AM

Bill just can't believe he will never live in the White House again.

Posted by: rhbate | May 28, 2008 1:02:29 AM

The Argus Leader's Executive Editor Randell Beck issued the following statement today:

"The context of the question and answer with Sen. Clinton was whether her continued candidacy jeopardized party unity this close to the Democratic convention. Her reference to Mr. Kennedy's assassination appeared to focus on the timeline of his primary candidacy and not the assassination itself."
How come this doesn't make headlines.

Posted by: Really | May 27, 2008 10:39:05 PM

The Clintons have have been playing the "VICTIM" card to deceive voters. All they do and say fit their plan and purpose. They not only have been playing the race card from the start, but they have added their contradictory sexist card. How can they expect respect and at the same time play the sexist card? They do not go together. They have already started to harm this country once more. What they have shown us through all these months tells us a great deal of what they are capable to do behind closed doors. They only care about themselves. They can easily deceive voters and have the nerve to boast themselves and about their actions. No one should put up with this pair of bandits. They should live far away from all of us and from our government. They have become millionaires .... They have ruined it, divided and destroyed it. They are expert lobbyists. It is atrocious and unthinkable just to think that they have completely uninformed, misinformed, and blind voters who support them. .. Let us remember that the Lewinsky story tells us clearly about their character: lies, dishonesty, untruthfulness, ruthlessness, lack of integrity and good judgment. We deserve better.

Posted by: Jane | May 27, 2008 10:37:44 PM

Why I won't vote for McCain.

He says we shouldn't waste time questioning how we got into Iraq.

Well duh, how can I have faith that someone who isn't willing to examine mistakes isn't going to just commit more stupidities.

He fully says it was a disastrous mistake, why won't he discuss in detail how we work to prevent more idiocy? ie, the big threats from Bush to invade Iran at the behest of Israel and AIPAC?

Posted by: Citizen Voter | May 27, 2008 9:59:09 PM

Easy choice. A+B+C Nothing hard about that!

A= DNC so-called party leaders and elders pre-select a controllable candidate trying to negate the Clinton DNC elements.

B= Complicit, out-of-touch, fawning, sexist media sits on stories, apologizes for and provides cover for every Obama faux pas, lie, or scandal, and vilifies HRC at every turn while buying into the Obama mystique and "getting thrills up their legs".

C=Obama campaign plays the race card, tries to negate the Clinton Presidency while glorifying Reagan /Bush1, steals votes through caucuses, blocks Mi/Fl revotes. Then lies about circumstances. Then they lie about Obama's record re illinois senate votes, energy votes, war funding votes, ear-marks for Michelle's hospital, Wright, Ayers, Resko, lobbyists, and on and on.

Yep, A,B, and C are all resposible for this fiasco, and have cost the Democratic party another election.

The voters, AA and all others were deceived from the start. They are blameless. They merely lstened to the media/Obama campaign hype, hoped it was true, and in turn got scammed by A,B, and C.

All Democratic voters, regardless of whom they support, will wind up as victims in this election year.

Posted by: Far-West Texan | May 27, 2008 9:30:05 PM

CALL TO DEMOCRACY IN ACTION FROM INFORMED DEMOCRATS TO DNC

To: DNC Members
From: Informed Democrats
Re: Michigan and Florida Voters Candidate Intent and Voices Counted devoid of misogynistic, anti-woman, and/or sexist behavior
Date: Until Michigan and Florida are Seated

Dear Governor Dean & Esteemed DNC Members,

As a lifelong Democrat, I continue to ask myself why you, the Democratic National Committee continue to conduct yourselves in the tradition of the Republican Party?

Throughout the history of the United States of America, we have been fortunate enough to have had many major political parties: Republican, Federalist, Democratic Republican, Whig, Free Soil Party, Know Nothings, Populist, Progressive, Bull Moose, Reform and of course, our beloved Democratic Party.

We are Americans; therefore, we are bright, intelligent, literate, passionate, honest, and hard-working and sometimes Bible thumping and Second Amendment gun-totters.

Therefore, for the love of our Democratic Party, please cease and desist your deplorable actions against Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and seat Michigan and Florida as they are and award her the delegates she EARNED fair and square.

Why embarrass the Democratic Party any further by awarding the nomination to the media created Manchurian Candidate Obama and wait for the Republicans and the 529 to unload to the world Obama’s unelectable dirty laundry: Antoin Rezko, William Ayers, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Iraqi born Aiham Alsammarae, the former electricity minister convicted of corruption in Iraq and his deal with Obama and Rezko to build nuclear power plants in Iraq-a nation we are currently at war?

If you will not listen to reason, please accept this CALL TO DEMOCRACY IN ACTION as fair warning that the17 million (and some change) Americans voting for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, if Michigan and Florida are not seated with Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s full award allocation, we will in fact:

Leave the Democratic Party en masse;
Work diligently against any Democratic candidate who willfully and purposefully bashed, maligned, or denigrated Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton for misogynistic, anti-woman, and/or sexist purposes (don’t think we can’t, we are a powerful coalition;
Vote for Senator John McCain, USMC retired in November if Senator Barack Obama is the Democratic Party’s nominee (trust-will never get behind Senator Barack Obama or mindlessly fall in line; and lastly,
Watch with “I told you so” satisfaction for the next eight years as the Republicans retain the White House and the Republicans regain the House and the Senate.

We as Informed Democrats will take no more misogynistic, anti-woman, and/or sexist behavior from you, Governor Dean & Esteemed DNC Members.

Due to your misogynistic, anti-woman, and/or sexist behavior actions, we are forced to place the United States of America above the Democratic Party. Enough is enough.

Democratically Yours,


Informed Democrat

Posted by: Informed Democrat | May 27, 2008 9:29:02 PM

B Jake....from the beginning the media couldn't see the forest for the trees...In this election you guys have served as an extension of the Obama campaign. The Democratic establishment are just counting on the free marketing campaign for Obama to continue...

1/2 of the voters are being slurred and slandered and the other half are still drinking Obama made media served up koolaid.

The thing is that it's all still out there the media campaign for Obama and some real journalist will put it all together in one place someday. Interesting.

By the way have any of you guys offered Clinton free air time like you provided for Obama's self serving "race speech"? News cycles come and go, but lots of voters will not forget this election. We saw it with our own eyes and watched the rather ugly growth of "tabloid" journalism take over an election.

Like I said before....the treatment of Hillary Clinton is worth 20 points in any nationwide polls...and Obama hasn't even had to pay a cent for it.

Posted by: Jackie | May 27, 2008 9:18:19 PM

Its the economy stupid.

Hilry can't manage or fix her own campaign finance, why should anyone trust her to fix the troubled economy of our country????????

Its the economy stupid.

Posted by: ted | May 27, 2008 6:24:34 PM

The answer is E

--the media and DNC leaders

Posted by: Stacey | May 27, 2008 6:16:15 PM

Ted,

Don't blame Hillary for her campaign financial problem.
Her campaign doesn't get big money from rich contributors unlike Obama.
He had outspent 4 to one to Hillary.
There should be a new rule which every candidate can only use certain amount of money for their campaign.
That will be fair.
There should be

Posted by: catleya | May 27, 2008 6:09:37 PM

It's A+B+C.
How about ABC?

Posted by: catleya | May 27, 2008 6:02:42 PM

Maz Hess, do you know this for a fact? If so, who is your source? I would just like to know, because if you have no source, or if you just fabricated those facts, you are guilty of libel. Be careful what you write about a man.

Posted by: Lee | May 27, 2008 5:16:08 PM

What bill tells superdelegates:
1. Everybody who is not on my side is my enemy.
2. I hunt every - and if I say every I mean every -enemy down and distroy him/her.
3. If you are a superdelegate please read 1. and 2. very carefully

Posted by: maz hess | May 27, 2008 5:12:36 PM

Marie, not only have I read my own postings (I won't put it as eloquently as you did), but friends have as well. I don't see what I wrote as blackmailing the Democratic Party, seeing as I am a Democrat myself. I was merely making a point. If Hillary were to get the nomination, we would need you. If Barack obtains the nomination, you need us as well.

I wasn't asking for anything more than your reason for believing he is the better candidate in terms of policy. Attacking Hillary, attacking her character, and attacking her supporters IS NOT the way to win this election. I suppose, in the end, all I'm asking for is a little decency.

Posted by: Lee | May 27, 2008 5:04:24 PM

The Clinton's have always been happiest to run against someone or something. The idea of putting themselves out there and saying 'look this is who i am, these are my ideas, vote for them or don't the choice is yours' is not something they are comfortable doing. But its got to the point where tehy are running out of someone to run against in this contest. Obama has run off to start his general election run.

Posted by: markymark | May 27, 2008 4:48:32 PM

Oh, Tom! Poor, worried, naive Tom. As it now stands, you have to include the Florida and Michigan totals for Clinton to have the popular vote, HOWEVER, if she is able to win Puerto Rico by 20 points, then one has to only include Florida for the numbers to hold (2 million voters there are hard to ignore.) Furthermore, if she wins by 28 points or more, which it looks like she very well may do, then she will be the leader of the popular vote in all counts. Of course, Obama and his supporters would very much like this race to be over before then, seeing as it would undermine his candidacy for the year 2000 to repeat itself in this 2008 primary.

Poor, worried, naive Tom.

Posted by: Lee | May 27, 2008 4:25:53 PM

Vicki the reason you don't see a popular vote poll with Hillary leading is because it currently doesn't exist. It only exists in the world of Hillary fuzzy math. The only way Hillary leads in the popular vote is if you count Florida and Michigan. Two states where she gives Obama no votes and takes all of hers. Considering Obama wasn't on the ballot in Michigan that's a pretty ridiculous way to claim a popular vote lead.

Posted by: Tom | May 27, 2008 4:00:20 PM

He speaks the truth whether you and your cohorts, who are doing the covering up, agree or not.

When there's a popular poll out showing Hillary leading, it's ignored and the MSM uses some obscure poll that instead shows Mr. Hope leading. When was the last time you saw an electoral map on any news network? The reason we don't see the electoral maps is because they show HILLARY winning the General Election by a HUGE electoral margin and OBAMA LOSING by HUGE electoral LOSSES against McCain.

If Hillary is showing good numbers in polls, they're ignored. Only Mr. Hope positive numbers are talked about.

We aren't stupid. We know what you're doing and that's why you had to be so sarcastic/snarky in this post. You KNOW what Bill Clinton said is TRUE.

Posted by: Vickie | May 27, 2008 3:51:04 PM

It is pretty clear that the Democratic leadership and the Obama campaign are doing everything they can to destroy Hillary. They do not care that she can win the general election and Obama cannot. Their reason. Hillary is not really a Democrat. No, really! When Bill was president he was a centrist, which meant two things. He was hated by the left wing of the Democratic party and he was hated by the right wing of the Republican party. That is, he was hated by everyone who makes a living off of the left/right political divide. People in the middle -- that is, most people -- loved Bill.

So, Hillary is right there in the middle, and is pretty much hated by the left because they see her as (1) someone they cannot control, and (2) someone who is not going to kowtow to the lions of the left. (Pelosi, Dean, ......)

Obama? Right there on the left. A Washington outsider who is going to be led by the nose by the entrenched left wing interests.

Oh yes, the press. The press has always loved beating up the Clintons and always will. It is part of their genetic code.

Posted by: David H. | May 27, 2008 3:19:39 PM

While the 2000 Election was stolen; this election is far worse.
While e for Hillary I am mad as hell at my Democratic Party.
When I sell a co-op my customer is scrutinized to the moon and back.
This thing with Obama should have never ever gotten this far –
He was not qualified to run, and his associations and affiliations
Can not be revered. IT should have never gotten this far.
He gained momentum in the early stages while he was hiding who he really is.
He scares me to death.

The Democratic Party is to blame for the silence; for not having scrutinized him first and foremost; If you have to go through a check point to live in a Co-op surly one should have to go through a bigger check point to live in the White House.

Posted by: Charlotte | May 27, 2008 3:05:14 PM

It is F, which is A + B + C.

Posted by: bebe | May 27, 2008 1:50:35 PM

(F) BIG TIME

Posted by: Tina from Florida | May 27, 2008 1:44:25 PM

"In hindsight the DNC definately should have just cut the Florida and Michigan delegates by 50% instead of stripping them totally."

Well, what THEY (AS-IN THE CLINTONS) did was they had their personal connection on the rules committee vote to change the rules to fully strip all the delegates. This is what is so crazy. The rule WAS seat on 50% of the delegates, that is what the DNC rule was. It was Clinton's that voted in the DNC to overturn that rule and to fully strip all of the delegates, so this whole mess was created by Clinton in the first place!!!

Posted by: Jeff | May 27, 2008 1:44:15 PM

In hindsight the DNC definately should have just cut the Florida and Michigan delegates by 50% instead of stripping them totally. Punish the states not the citizens who did nothing but exercise their right to vote.

Posted by: Tom | May 27, 2008 1:19:37 PM
*******
Which is most likely what they will do on Sat. I think that is fair and I am from MI.

But HRC is not going to like it. It wont give her the argument she needs.

Posted by: jmc663 | May 27, 2008 1:30:52 PM

len,

I did not vote for the wrong candidate, I strongly support my candidate. Obama WON more states than HRC. Obama is ahead in pledged delegates. Obama is ahead in the popular vote.

How do you deny all those voters. Your attitude simply says "You were wrong". Period.

Your agrument is so hypocritical, it makes me wonder if you have really thought this through.

You claim that your voice needs to be heard, but at the cost of anothers.

How does this make any sense to you?

Jean in MI

Posted by: jmc663 | May 27, 2008 1:21:49 PM

Freddy what website are you referring to?

Posted by: Tom | May 27, 2008 1:21:40 PM

In hindsight the DNC definately should have just cut the Florida and Michigan delegates by 50% instead of stripping them totally. Punish the states not the citizens who did nothing but exercise their right to vote.

Posted by: Tom | May 27, 2008 1:19:37 PM

No Tom, primary rules that result in nominating a candidate who doesn't have the electoral math behind them should be changed because to keep nominating the losers is the definition of insane: to do the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

At least if Senator Clinton doesn't get the nomination, her supporters can begin to get over it. Obama supporters have another six months to build up their hopes and then be crushed.

Pobrecitos!

Posted by: len | May 27, 2008 1:19:02 PM

Bill Clinton is correct about the polling. When head-to-head State polls are coverted to Electoral College Votes, our tracking of the 2008 Race reveals an awesome and growing lead for Hillary. 270 EC Votes are needed to win in November. Today Obama has 261 while Clinton has 301. Our website chart compiles the results of 5 ECV models.

Posted by: Freddy Hutter | May 27, 2008 1:17:17 PM

I really don't think primary rules should be changed just because Hillary lost.

Posted by: Tom | May 27, 2008 1:15:38 PM

@jmc:

I say "You voted for the wrong candidate but people do that. Now those of you who voted for Hillary by a majority in your State only to have your DNC delegates deny your vote should find another candidate to support in your local elections, one that respects your decisions instead of overruling them for their own campaigns."

Not a hard case to make.

Posted by: len | May 27, 2008 1:14:09 PM

obama has more or the average voters finding out who he is, what he stands for, and seeing how weak he is and is going to be. obama has more people going against him. that he has pulling for him.

by the time of the general
you will hear the words around more and more-high tech lynching.
because that will be all the black people will have to say.

Posted by: worldcitizen | May 27, 2008 1:14:01 PM

For once, Nat, you're right. The Democratic Party needs to think about why nominating the losing candidate despite the electoral math is always a losing strategy and hope that it can reform itself before 2012.

I'm tired of Republicans in the WH but I can live with it for four more years. In fact, it will be a good thing for them to have to clean up their own mess, for Clinton to continue to serve well in the Senate, and for Illinois to ask itself why it voted for a man who lied about when he would run and then lost.

It's all good when you stop and think about it.

Posted by: len | May 27, 2008 1:11:34 PM

nat turner,
attacking me will not get obama elected president.

and i see who you are quoting in your comments.

and i would not be suprised if obama is not repeating bill clinton also.

obama will not win the election.

you can spell his name out or put it in morse code, or braile, he will not win.

Posted by: worldcitizen | May 27, 2008 1:11:18 PM

len,

What about all the people who voted FOR Obama? What do you say to them?

"We know he won by every measure, but too bad, we know better"?

Where do you think HIS supports would go?

Posted by: jmc663 | May 27, 2008 1:11:02 PM

I'm wondering what world "worldcitizen" is citizen of... it can't be a reality-based world...

As an Independent, I will say this: In November I will either vote for Obama with enthusiasm or for McCain with my fingers holding my nose... there is no chance I will vote for Hillary Clinton — not because she's a woman, but because she's a Clinton.

I started out the primary season open to voting for her, believing anything would be better than having a Republican back in the White House. (Incidentally, I voted Republican all the way up to 2004.) But Hillary and Bill Clinton have done more to convince me NOT to vote for Hillary than anything any of her opponents have said.

Posted by: BKNeese | May 27, 2008 1:07:54 PM

Obama wins nomination. Obama loses election. The DNC has to sack its leadership and revamp its nomination process to reflect the reality of the popular vote and the mainstream of the Democratic Party.

It's sad to watch a once good party get sacked by its own, but it is inevitable. This time the DNC screwed the pooch.

On the other hand, Senator Clinton stood up for the people and the people don't forget.

Posted by: len | May 27, 2008 1:07:23 PM

If it already wasn't it should of been known that Hillary would never accept a loss with class. It's gong to be nothing but a series of excuses and blame. Blame the media, the DNC, Obama's campaign, bloggers, and anything else that she can come up with. I can see her speech where she drops out of the race now. It will be more of a complaining session then a consession.

Posted by: Tom | May 27, 2008 1:02:14 PM

Bill and Hillary Clinton these days VERY much sound like the right wing populist politicians that stir up Europe's democracies these days. Feeding ordinary folks' fears and angers and mistrust of society and politics.

They should be VERY ashamed for that, IMO.

Posted by: hank | May 27, 2008 12:57:26 PM

Hmm...all of the above. It's all about the Benjamins and Obama has a data base of 1.5 million names of folks who have donated to his camp and fly under the radar for reporting donations...the members of the DNC want these names...so that each Democrat running this fall can tap into this data base for his region/state and ask for money.

this will be deleted again...no one wants to talk about this except for Newsweek article I have yet to catch any one covering this...

Posted by: LL Barra | May 27, 2008 12:49:50 PM

if the dnc really wanted the wh back for the country, they would not have backed the underqualified.

so thanks to the dnc, and the media

mccain will be president.

Posted by: worldcitizen | May 27, 2008 12:45:57 PM

Yavo,

Thank you for at least responding like a human and not a robot.

I understand you are passionate about your candidate. I commend you for that.

Others are just as passionate about their choice.

I think it is fair to say that we can agree to disagree. But I think there is a lot of tunnel vision going on here. The goal is to get a Dem in the White House so we can clean house. We only know a tenth of what the Repubs have done to this country. If Repubs remain in control, the truth will never see the light of day.

I just want my country back for my kids and their kids.

Posted by: jmc663 | May 27, 2008 12:43:53 PM

well rebate,
obama will not be elected president.

Posted by: worldcitizen | May 27, 2008 12:43:04 PM

SadStateOfAffairs, and had the DNC cut the FL and MI delegation by half they wouldn't have the mess they have today. You don't hear much about the Republicans sanctioning FL and MI, but also NH, SC and WY. That's because they cut each state's delegates in half as their penalties for moving up their primaries.

Posted by: James Danley | May 27, 2008 12:41:05 PM

Obama picks up another Super D:

It's Nancy Drummond, the Wyoming Democratic Party chairwoman.

Posted by: jmc663 | May 27, 2008 12:38:00 PM

mccain has more experience

Posted by: worldcitizen | May 27, 2008 12:08:26 PM
______________

So much for experience!

He had an array of experiences: Minister to Russia, Minister to Great Britain, ten years in the Senate, elected five times to the House of Representatives, Secretary of State for five years. While he was in office the nation increased in size by 33%. Yet, when he was elected as president in 1856, James Buchanan soon acquired the reputation as the worst president in the history of the country. The man who followed him in office only had two terms in the Illinois State Legislature, but Abraham Lincoln had no problem being elected to the presidency.

Posted by: rhbate | May 27, 2008 12:36:29 PM

jm,
so i wonder why obama' people are still on tv. saying that?

Posted by: worldcitizen | May 27, 2008 12:30:21 PM

my question is why would obama want sen. clinton and bill to campaign for him?
Posted by: worldcitizen | May 27, 2008 12:20:37 PM
******
Oh Good Lord! He wouldn't, those two are political poison now. Clinton is to Obama what Bush is to McCain.

Posted by: jmc663 | May 27, 2008 12:27:53 PM

Yavo,

Twisted math and tortured logic don't equal truth. When you post the same things day after day, you look like a spammer. If you want to convince someone, talk to them, don't copy and paste.

Posted by: jmc663 | May 27, 2008 12:25:41 PM

president mccain is on tv making a speech right now.

Posted by: worldcitizen | May 27, 2008 12:23:59 PM

Popular vote as of May 27, 2008

These figures INCLUDE Florida and Michigan, as they were fairly and legitimately earned by Senator Hillary Clinton, and have been validated by the respective Secretary’s of State.

Clinton 17,426,809
Obama 17,262,155

Total Diff. +164,654 (Clinton)

Pct. DifF. +0.45% (Clinton)

Above figures from RealClearPolitics.com

So, why SHOULD Hillary quit NOW?

Who do you think will be leading when the dust settles?

Hint - See below:

Combined population of Montana and South Dakota = 1,752,039

Population of Puerto Rico = 8,086,459


Posted by: Yavo Lem | May 27, 2008 12:23:24 PM

E.

None of the above. The vast right wing conspiracy.

Posted by: debbie cho | May 27, 2008 12:21:23 PM

people have voted for obama for all the wrong reasons.
obama being in the lead right now has nothing to do with if he is qualified and able to lead this country.
if we had known in jan what we know now about obama he would not be in the lead.

i just heard again a obama supporter repeating sen clinton said she would campaign for obama.

my question is why would obama want sen. clinton and bill to campaign for him?

Posted by: worldcitizen | May 27, 2008 12:20:37 PM

Tom,

They don't care. They will change to rules to suit their argument. They will complain about anything that seems to get the juices flowing amongst the "Followers".

Remember, it all depends on what the definition of "is" is.

Posted by: jmc663 | May 27, 2008 12:11:50 PM

if the "they" really wanted to win back the white house "they" went about it the wrong way.
and "they" will not win the white house.

this lifelong dem. will vote for mccain for president. and vote for my local dems-if they show me they are qualified to do the job.

Posted by: worldcitizen | May 27, 2008 12:11:19 PM

all personal stuff aside

obama is underqualfied to be president
he has such a short political record.
he is not ready,
and mccain will be president.
as far as governing and knowing the workings of the gov.
mccain has more experience
mccain will be president.

Posted by: worldcitizen | May 27, 2008 12:08:26 PM

These Hillary supporters sound like the fans of a losing sports team who blames the refs. It has nothing to do with Hillary running a horrible campaign and putting herself in debt doing it. It's the medias fault....it's the DNC...it's the Obama camp attacking her for stupid comments she made. Hillary wants to accept zero responsibility for anything she has said or done during this primary.

Posted by: Tom | May 27, 2008 12:07:35 PM

obama has not had an original thought-
he didn't even come up with him running for president
some people went to him and said
"we are going to make you president"
check out evelyn pringle
the chicago combine
the wm. ayers deal is not over.

obama will not be president

Posted by: worldcitizen | May 27, 2008 12:06:13 PM

Never Obama would you like a list of some of the people Hillary Clinton has had associations with in the past? The association game is a very bad one to play when talking about Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Tom | May 27, 2008 12:04:52 PM

sen. clinton is rich in the knowledge needed to put this country back on the right track.

letter "F" they-seemed their real goal was to beat sen. clinton. and therefore giving up the chance to win the white house.

so the dnc, media, and obama have won
they have beat sen. clinton.
but
they will not win the white house.
there is no way obama will win the wh with just the 90% of black voters and the far-left liberals voting for him.

it has already been shown he is not leading in the electoral college.
and obama will not win the white house.
and if by some other backroom shady goings on he did

POOR COUNTRY

Posted by: worldcitizen | May 27, 2008 12:02:04 PM

That would be "D".

Sorry Bill, your wife ran a hard campaign. She seemed to finally get a handle on things, but it was just too little too late.

I guess we also need someone who is ready before day one - as evidence that they can plan ahead. Advantage: Obama.

Posted by: LR | May 27, 2008 11:59:09 AM

Yavo Lem you have done nothing but cut and pasted the same nonsense for over a month now. Come up with an original thought of your own which doesn't include something you just lift off of websites you read.

Posted by: Tom | May 27, 2008 11:59:08 AM


Nicholas,

Then why did HRC tout having a 100 lead in Super Delegates in January so heavily? Because they only have "no business" supporting anyone, unless of course, they support her.

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Posted by: Nicholas | May 27, 2008 11:58:22 AM

Obama will be made the nominee by the press and the super delegates, who have banded around him. But the last laugh will be from the Clinton supporters, when he loses the general election. Everyone then will make, the super delegates and DNC , accountable for putting back in the White House a Republican. Obama has a habit of fooling the voters, he did it for years in Illinois. His pay for favors, is a known fact. In time every one will know the real Obama, and what he really does stand for, self greed!

Posted by: jp,michigan | May 27, 2008 11:53:40 AM

Do you remember "If your not with us your against us" remark from Hillary way in the beginning...I guess she is finding out "they" are against them, them being the Clintons.

Posted by: Robin | May 27, 2008 11:52:54 AM

Will somebody PLEASE help Bill FIND his misplaced medication... CLEARLY he is suffering from some kind of withdrawal!!!

Posted by: ugh | May 27, 2008 11:43:26 AM

Danley,

The DNC rules dictate a 50% strip of delegates. They made up their own rules and stripped all delegates. This will make it a legal case. Unfortunately, unless they reinstate per their own guidelines there will be no resolution anytime soon. I'll leave you with a famous quote.

No voters will be left behind.
Donna Brazile 2000

Let's see if Brazile has the "courage" to stand behind those WORDS.

Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | May 27, 2008 11:36:10 AM

It's great to see all of Hillary's words coming back to bite her in the rear. Does everyone remember her little if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen rant? Now all we hear from Hillary and Bill is crying about how Hillary has been treated. I guess her thicker skin comments don't apply to her. Remember at the start of the campaign when Hillary was ahead in delegates? She said that delegates are all that matter. Now she's behind so all we hear from her is about the popular vote. A ridiculous argument because she's counting all the votes for her in Michigan and Florida and giving Obama none. She mentions sniper fire and RFK numberous times. Blames fatigue and having the Kennedy's on her mind. Unfortunately that doesn't explain the numerous times she spouted the same nonsense. All the Hillary lovers do is repeat the same DNC bullying her nonsense and the media loves Obama nonsense to coverup for Hillary running a horrible campaign.

Posted by: Tom | May 27, 2008 11:31:06 AM

What's with all the whining? Shut 'yer yapper, Billy-Boy. You're looking more like the President of france, NOT The United States of America!!!

Posted by: James T, Laing | May 27, 2008 11:30:13 AM

Bill Clinton's "they" is Obama's "we"-- as in "We are the ones we have been waiting for..." Obama's "we" includes Obama and all his Obamabots. Obamabots have infiltrated the media and the highest echelons of the democratic party. They have been entranced by the man with the teleprompter, but the spell will be broken when John McCain wins Florida and the election in November.

Posted by: NJH | May 27, 2008 11:28:08 AM

I think I may be a part of the "THEY."

But then again, it could also be the crazy rasberry ants that are swarming in Texas and destroying electrical equipment.

I think answer choice H) should be The Clintons and the Clinton Campaign

...because they have really destroyed their own campaign and turned a lot of of positive public opinion away from themselves.

Posted by: Justme | May 27, 2008 11:22:46 AM

SadStateOfAffairs, you and many others blame the Republicans for the mess in Florida. But that is a misplaced blame. There was a "good faith" clause in the DNC rules. Had the Democrats fought against the Republican efforts to move up the primary and failed because the Republicans had the votes, then it would have been within the DNC's discretion to forego a punishment. But instead, some Florida Democratic legislators actually sponsored the bill. And the Florida House Democratic legislators voted in committee three times for the bill. Furthermore, the overwhelming majority of the Florida Democrats voted FOR bill. In fact the Florida House voted 118-0 in favor of the bill to move up their primary.

Posted by: James Danley | May 27, 2008 11:20:50 AM

Oh Bill...please stop wining. You have totally lost it. The Clintons don't have any class! If you can't take the heat, get out. Oh...I wonder where I heard that before.
Go Obama Go!!!

Posted by: Northern View | May 27, 2008 11:17:13 AM

Hurry, we have to get the ghost busters. Bill Clinton's past has come back to hunt him.Boooooooooo. "Them", who?

Posted by: Owen | May 27, 2008 11:15:11 AM

I think "They" is the DNC controlled by extreme left billionaires.

They chose a weak, inexperienced candidate--with alittle charm, and phony promises, to be their puppet.

Obama sold his soul to "them"--something Hillary refused to do.

I'll vote McCain if Hillary loses--just to avoid the changes I think "they" stand for.

Posted by: cindy in nc | May 27, 2008 11:10:21 AM