Bill Clinton's Message to Rural America

Just remember though these "horses" will be key to help deliver the likes of WV, KY ... OH, PA and other swing states to the DEMS this NOV.

The Clinton's continue to beat the dead horse!

This is fair game...what do you expect. With BHO running away from VW, KY and PR...so that he can justify to his SDs that he did not campaign there like MI and FL...he will lose but the media is going to spin that he did not win so badly ...like when he lost in NC with a reduced margin of about 10 points....is it all SPIN

Lets drop the education / elitist bit as that is just an unnecessary comment because no comment or indirect reference to that end was made by me.

My point as stated was that his motive was personal ambition.

I do not believe his motives are altruistic and that his ambition is/was based on a desire to serve / help / improve his country.

easytofix

Since when is ambition and wanting to run for President a bad thing in America?

I dont get your logic. Please explain why this is a bad thing?

Like having an education is a bad thing? (Elitist, they say.)

You people need to watch "Idiocracy". Really. Cos thats where we're heading.

I am not here to be contentious but if you look Dreams of my father was published the year he ran for his first office and audacity of hope before he ran for President. His impetus for his senate bid was he convention speech.

He has had a very calculated methodical plan from the beginning.

Gemma

Obama has been running for President all of his life. Starting with President of the Harvard Law Review. Every job, publication etc was a part of it. I rarely use anyones personal biography as a source when they are trying to convince you of their argument.

Do a time line and see for yourself.
He has never been serious about any office he has held.

He went into politics as soon as he legally could at 35.
Started in the legislature in 1997.
Announced a House of Reps bid in 2000.(which he lost)
Announced a Senate bid in 2003 which he won the following year 2004.
Sworn in to the senate in 2005.
Announce Predidential bid in 2007.

As opposed to serving the people his career has been stepping stones. Taking a year out of each elected term from "serving the people" to run for his next step.

This is something that irks me greatly is does not seem it was ever about serving the people more like personal ambition.

rtt

Have you ever attended a caucus? All I get from you is non-evidence. Your conclusions are based on allegations you can neither substantiate nor rationalise.

You dont have to vote for BO. You have the democratic right to vote for whomever you choose.

I do take issue with your reasoning tho, if that reasoning is not based on facts or truths.

It simply means you are deluded.
But you also have a right to be deluded. Thats how democracy works.

However, if you're going to perpetuate your delusions in a public forum, then I am going to exercise my democratic right to point out your delusions as delusions, your 'facts' as untruthful etc etc.

It goes against my nature to allow lies and half-truths to perpetuate themselves. It breeds ignorance fear and the kind of government that exists in America today.

rtt

If BO is getting 90% of the black vote, its because of Bill Clinton. Before Bill Clinton's statements re Jesse Jackson in S Carolina, Hillary Clinton was LEADING amongst black voters.
It was bcos of the race baiting of the Clintons that black voters (a very important Democratic demographic) that black voters, insulted and disgusted, switched allegiance.

Do you understand what 'pandering' is? Pandering is lying to someone deliberately to get their vote or to persuade them to your way of thinking.

'Gas tax holiday'? That was pandering.

I challenge you to find me an instance where Barack Obama has gone to to black voters and promised them any kind of special treatment or perks if they vote for him.
I further challenge you to find me a statement from BO or any of his surrogates that play the race card, asking blacks to vote for him BECAUSE HE IS BLACK.

Run now. You only have until November to find the evidence.

May I suggest www.dictionary.com and 'google' as your first reference tools.

Posted by: Gemma | May 12, 2008 6:20:25 AM

what is there to substantiate? prove him wrong.
black votes(90%, and bullies at caucuses, easy wins for a man who has both.

I've read some of these comments and Im appalled at how uninformed some people are.

They call you 'low information voters' for a reason. You have no clue.

But stay stupid. Stay scared. And one day when your children's asses are in hock to China, you explain to them why. Bcos YOU voted for John McCain, war, NAFTA, bomb Iran and a continuation of the current Republican/Clinton economic and foreign policies.

Knowledgeforreal you said:

They know full well that Obama has a lead in delegates for 2 reasons: (1) excluding MI & FL; (2) Black voting block of 88% to 92% in southern states (LA, MS, AL, GA, SC, NC, VA, DC, MD)

.............

Substantiate.

nteresting to read about the Democrats who will vote for McCain if Obama is nominated. I'm a Republican--er, I was a Republican--who re-registered this year both out of disgust for the Republicans (it's been building for a long time) and in order to cast a vote for Obama in our primary.

Clinton will do whatever it takes to get elected, as she is now demonstrating. Do you really think she is a working class person? Do you know anything about her background or Obama's? I suggest you at least read Obama's book Dreams From My Father, which was written well before he decided to run for the presidency. He hardly has an elitist background.

Hello Curt :)

You give good advice. Sadly some here (those who use the flimsiest, often spurious, MOST OFTEN unsubstantiated, hyped-up, conflated reasons) will suffer severe head explosions if they were to come out of denial.

It is far easier to claim to 'love America' then act against America's interest in threatening to vote for McCain.
It is far easier to make wearing a flag pin as the definitive in patriotism.
It is far easier to employ guilt by association.
It is far easier to hate. Its irrational. Its emotional. Its visceral. Its 'us' vs 'them'.
Its the only language some understand.

Obama's message of a common purpose, a common goal, DESPITE our ideological, social and political differences, is just too much for some people (who's self esteem depends on looking down at others, be it based on race, religion or gender or sexual orientation).

Too too much. Better to stick to the status quo you know (even though its going down the toilet) than the alternative.

Change scares people. And the HC's and GWB's know scared people are good obedient voters :)

What he said was absolutely true. Obama doesn't even know what working class means.
The latte liberals, the college kids, have the luxury of hope, it is the working class that is one pink slip, illness, home repair, car repair away from financial disaster. And half of them have been disenfranchised for years. Even in this primary season half the electorate hasn't even spoken so when they finally do stand up the democratic party may see a revolution that will have their heads spinning.

Pennsylvania voter

Define a 'latte liberal'. It has a very nice ring to it. I appreciate the alliteration.

Your indignation is misguided. Your economy tanked because both your previous Presidents, viz. GW Bush and WJ Clinton sold your economy out.
Im going to suggest you base your indignation on facts and not the lies you've been told by the Clintons.

Google:
NAFTA
pandering
Gas Tax

When you have a clue... get back to me.

Good job HC! Your dreams of destroying the Democratic Party are coming true. You've known all along how to be divisive, tear the party apart, wedge here, a wedge there and the more it looked like you would lose, you tore away even more. If you can't have it nobody will! This is your entitlement, your coronation, yours, yours, yours!!! Screw the party, screw the nation, screw the people. Be sure to leave us all bloody in the gutter before you make your final move of backing the bus over all of us.

Electorate% Clinton % Obama %
Gender
Women 58% 50% 46%
Men 42% 41% 53%

Race / Ethnicity
White 63% 50% 42%
Black 19% 15% 83%
Latino 13% 63% 35%
Other 5% 61% 34%

These are just statistical facts. I made no judgement on the significance of women voters you did.

Again I simply said women are not soley governed by gender in their voting. I also did not say no women would swap to Obama I said they would not soley vote based on a Roe v Wade scare campaign with an improbable result. A result that has failed o be overturned since 1973 in multiple supreme court rulings and is now more popular than ever.

50% of women went for Clinton as opposed to 46% for Obama hardly a stat to claim a massive margin. Realistically her biggest stat would be either white voters overall or Latino women.

Thank you though for recognising that Obama's biggest negative is answered in your own words:

"Obama is going to be one of the biggest ROCK stars this country has ever seen... "

See voters want an actual President not someone who puts on a good stage show ! Someone with a bit more substance and not a potential one hit wonder. Lets not forget the riff raff those celebrity types hang with. Doesn't say alot for what your vote is based on.

Its swaying, its toppling, its gone.

Again when did I say I would vote for McCain ??????????

Ding dong your king is dead ...........

Good night I enjoyed our banter and believe it or not I respect your interest in the political process for the Presidency.

West Virginia and Kentucky:

Don't give up on Hillary!
She isn't giving up on you!

Have you noticed Obama NEVER says anything about race to anyone?

... He doesn't have to.

He has his posters do the dirty work for him... after all, he IS the teflon man. They were the ones in the beginning who brought the race card out... from South Carolina right on down the line.

They blamed Bill Clinton, one of their staunchest supporters, for putting it into play! Except that it was a flagrant lie, it was a brilliant move on the part of B O...and the black Joker has been kept in play ever since!

His posters have dredged up every bit of crap they could come up with ..... from the little blue dress to Hillary's use of pant suits to the donations the Clintons make to their foundation.
They neglect carrying that topic any further of course because it would show how magnificently charitable the Clintons have been to this country!

B O Plenty's followers are the bigots... not Hillary or her supporters.
They were the ones who voted in blocks of 92% and 91% for their leader. How could this not be considered racist!

Some whites were in the mix... just as some blacks are strong for Hillary.... and all these are the blessed ones for, either way, they obviously used their Minds to come to a decision.

What will happen during the next election? Latinos will have a lot of growth and citizenship bestowed upon them because of their many American born children. This will effectively increase their voting rights a lot in the next four years.

Will the next election require that a Latino become president?

Must an Asian follow the Latino?

Possibilities.... but shouldn't everyone who runse be required to be meet some sort of STANDARDS? Like patriotism, proven service to our country, brilliance and the ability to think on one's feet?

I would think so. Any race should be acceptable unless the candidate is
G R E E N!

In any case, the accomplishments Hillary has brought to this country have been outrageously ignored and all attention by B O'S posters has been mis-focused on stuff for which she is naccountable;

They did this while B O Plenty was travelling the 57 (my! how we've grown!) states of the union in search of his throne.

They did this while B O was sticking up
for Pastor Wright and throwing his white grandmama under the bus. I can still see him being almost suffocated by about eight enormous American flags has he preached his race speech to America and the world!

They did this the second time, some weeks later, while B O was "dissing" pastor Wright and throwing HIM under the bus.

We thought this was rather twofaced... but the mediocre media absorbed it all into its predetermined plot to take him on his soar to Washington.... as if this were just a fairy tale to be taped in Hollywood and sold to Loews.

And the brilliance and accomplishments of Hillary were ignored .. not only by B O's oftimes foul-mouthed followers but also by the members or the press.

Obama's slogan is "change".His cousin Raila Odinga who he supported both financially and politically during his recent bloody struggle for power in Kenya, ran under "Agent for Change" and George Bush also ran for "Change".

So far, the only change I see in this election is one which might lead us back to the mid=-fifties.

Be careful who you vote for.

Be very very careful.

I'm for Hillary, and I approve this message!

Great point Eva,

And "next time" for the Clinton's will be in 2016 when Hillary is like 68 years old and as tired and senile as McCain.......

This is a DELEGATE race, not a popular one. The general election is ALSO about the electorate, not the popular.

Obama is winning the delegate race which is the only metric that counts. I am fatigued by the Clintons and their supporters who want to CHANGE THE RULES when they are not winning. Florida and Michigan don't count (or will count only half) because they did not follow the rules...

Where will I process be if the rules can be broken or thrown out of the window because our personal choice is not winning.

She was running as an incumbent and got her ass handed to her by Obama. Take the loss. Follow the rules he followed and try again next time.

Bill Clinton think people in rural America are real stupid when he says he rather be there than in his multimillion dollar fancy home in New York. He is there to get back to the Whitehouse so he can play his perverted games again. When was the last time he was in the rural America? Did he really make his 100 million dollars by setting books or giving speeches in the Rural America? Clintons will say anything, do anything to get to the Whitehouse. Remember what happened last time. He continued his old habit of sexually using and abusing women and got caught but ofcourse he lied and got caught lying by DNA test and got impeached and barred from practicing law. What did Hillary do? She did what she always does, she stood beside him and demonised the poor girl not much older than her own daughter. Now she claims to be champion of women. What a scam.