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Clinton Attacks Obama on Guns
May 04, 2008 4:13 PM
Her name may be "synonymous with gun control," as an NRA official recently told me, but Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, is attacking Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, on guns in a new mailer being sent to Hoosiers.
Check it out HERE.
On the front of the mailer: "Where does Barack Obama really stand on guns?"
On the back: "Depends on who Barack Obama is talking to.
"First, Barack Obama told a group in Chicago he favored a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns (IVI-IPO Candidate Questionnaire).
"Then, Barack Obama told people in Idaho he was for the 2nd Amendment, in order to get their votes (AP, 2/2/08).
"And just this month, Barack Obama accused people in rural places and small towns of being "bitter" people who "cling to guns" (Huffington Post, 411/08).
"What does Barack Obama really believe?"
- jpt
UPDATE: Our friend Ben Smith at Politico has some hilarious new details about the nonexistent German rifle used in the mailer.
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Hillary as gun rights protector. What a joke! Another example of her phoniness...
Posted by: indy_voter | May 5, 2008 10:34:13 AM
Obama sat on a Board that tried to dismantle the 2nd amendment. Hillary wants to take guns out of the hands of children and leave them in the hands of hunters.
Obama on this issue like most issues has had conflicting views.
I could care less if a picture of a gun is the real deal or not.
Like most Americans I understand the difference between getting rid of assault weapons and getting rid of the 2nd amendment. I have no use for guns. I do want to maintain the right to bear arms in America.
Posted by: Jackie | May 5, 2008 2:31:41 AM
Bill Clinton was always a closet 2nd
amendment advocate. Streisand thought
he carried a Howitzer. Hillary knew it
was a water-pistol....so did Monica.
The Secret Service pretended not to notice....."nothing to see here....."
Posted by: hombre | May 5, 2008 12:28:06 AM
Bill Clinton's gun had a hair-trigger.
Hillary now sounds right of the NRA.
Obama sounds left of common sense. They're all card-carrying lefties....
so you sort it out. By the way, I think
that Bill would agree that guns
never fed a hungry child...or some such
blather.
Posted by: SNAFU | May 5, 2008 12:19:41 AM
From Ben Smith at Politico:
Sen. Hillary Clinton’s mailing attacking Sen. Barack Obama’s record on guns appears to include a striking visual gaffe: The image of the gun pictured on the face of the mailing is reversed, making it a nonexistent left-handed model of the Mauser 66 rifle.
To make matters worse, a prominent gun dealer said, it’s an expensive German gun with customized features that make it clearly European.
“The gun in the photo does not exist,” said Val Forgett III, resident of Navy Arms in Martinsburg, W.Va. Forgett's company was Mauser’s agent in the United States when the gun was released, and it sold Mauser guns here again in the 1990s. “The bolt is facing to the left side of the receiver, making it a left-handed bolt action rifle, indicating whoever constructed and approved the mailer did not recognize the image has been reversed.”
Forgett said the error would be obvious to sportsmen.
“I find it laughable on its face,” he said. “It’s like a picture of Babe Ruth hitting right-handed.”
The gun's image in Clinton's mailing is above; a correct image of the gun is below.
Other rifle enthusiasts e-mailed Politico after an image of Clinton’s mailing was posted to this blog.
“I bet the Clinton folks did a mirror flip on the stock image to make it look more ‘aesthetic,’” wrote one, David Phillips. “What a latte-sipping, Gucci-wearing thing to do.”
The Mauser 66, released in 1966 and no longer manufactured, is a high-end hunting rifle that found military use as a sniper rifle. In Clinton’s mailing, it’s pictured with a double-set trigger, a customization that’s popular in Europe but “almost unheard of in the United States,” Forgett said.
“It’s a $2,200 German import — it’s hardly typical of what the average workingman in Indiana uses,” he said.
Posted by: Mike | May 4, 2008 10:50:17 PM
Yes finally someone with diplomacy and not your stupid cowboy style tactics. I'm for Obama. We need not to go to war with every country. I saw Obama on meet the press and he was very impressive.
Posted by: d | May 4, 2008 8:59:29 PM
Can we just finish the 2 wars we are in before we even think about Iran. My god, Hillary will have to reinstate the draft if that happens. Our troops are too thin as it is.
Posted by: lily | May 4, 2008 8:45:35 PM
“MR. RUSSERT: Would you respond against Iran?
SEN. OBAMA: It–Israel is a ally of ours. It is the most important ally we have in the region, and there’s no doubt that we would act forcefully and appropriately on any attack against Iran, nuclear or otherwise.”
NOTICE HE SAYS ANY ATTACK AGAINST IRAN!!!!!!!!!
Obama is a danger to the USA
Posted by: kelly in NC | May 4, 2008 8:31:06 PM
To Countallthevotes. If Senator Obama really proposed then passed this tough gun legislation, half of his voters in his district would be in jail. Believe that this is just more political pandering on his part.
It is not the guns that are so bad, it is those who thinks they are a BIG MAN when holding a gun.
Honesty, strength, intergity, judgment and experience are totally lacking in Senator Obama. Vote Clinton.
Posted by: Irish Gram | May 4, 2008 8:08:44 PM
dear Omen
I am glad you are wanting to talk about and have me ask you about the issues
because you guy obama does not.
I have read his web site. I have gone and looked at his record also.
I'll be back in one hour and we can talk about the issues.
I have been asking obama supporters to talk about issues ever since I started writing comments.
I am sorry you think what I have written is garbage though, but so be it
i have a right to my opinion and if all you have to say about it is call it garbage ok.
Posted by: jgaw | May 4, 2008 7:52:57 PM
Omentum.
You keep claiming that Clinton 'insulted' you.
Clinton could say she wanted world peace and it would 'insult you' .
You keep trying to suggest that Obamas backers who listed all this crap on his website means Obama knows more about issues than Clinton.
Obama never talks about issues period. He talks about philisophical 'hope' and 'change' in broad strokes.
Obama has no resume. The american population doesnt KNOW him at all.
So questions about his past, and character matter a LOT about Obama.
Im sure once Obama has been around on a national stage 20 years, diggin up his past wont be an issue.
Obama practicing Black Liberation Theology for 20 years will cost him the white house.
If the republicans can swift boat John Kerry over a LOT LESS, they can crush Obama over these issues.
Posted by: tomdavie | May 4, 2008 7:51:55 PM
if in the beginning black people like everyone else had known earlier what they know about obama now he would not be in the lead.
the media let the american voters down,
obama and is crew played the race card first-they had to-to get the black support away from sen. clinton.
there was no advantage of sen. clinton to play the race card. obama and co. did first. and they did it in a real slick way.
if the young had come out and voted in 2000-bush would not have been in office.
if the young had come out and voted in 2004-bus would not have been in office.
if sen. clinton should win the rest of the primaries and it goes on and the super del end up giving it to obama-
we had better get ready to say
president mccain.
because the black clinton supporters will not vote for obama because of the way they have been treated by black obama supporters.
if you listen sen. clinton IS trying to help the poor and working class. obama does not have enough conviction in his voice to make me think he even believes what he is saying. is speaking is patterned like a black preacher=rev. wright i suppose.
all together now:
we all march with
president mccain
president mccain
president mccain
we all march with president mccain.
Posted by: jgaw | May 4, 2008 7:47:14 PM
Lol @ gloria with the tried and true: I used to support Clinton but now switched to Obama blah blah blah.
We Clinton supporters have seen absolutely nothing by obama to honestly suggest he is the better candidate.
In fact, since the wright story broke, voters are moving AWAY from him, not for him.
Hillary Clinton has been around for DECADES.
You have seen her act all these years, yet ONLY NOW decide she is a 'phony'
After all these years.
BS.
Why do Obama people INSIST on lying all the time.
15 year olds behind a computer who claim to be a 60 year old white woman. But then use 15 year old liberal logic to justify it.
Posted by: tomdavie | May 4, 2008 7:37:32 PM
obama' supporters black and white have it all sewn up.
If you are a black clinton supporter you are a sellout
if you are a white clinton supporter you are a closet republican.
and we understand obama supporters your frustration and why you must resort to when in conversation about sen. clinton and obama you reduce yourselves to the above statements.
who can remember all of the flowery things he says in his prepared, prepaid speeches-so no matter what the setting is all you can come away with is hope and change.
obama supporter to another obama supporter leaving an obama rally
1os-"didn't he give a great speech"?
2os-"yes, inspiring"
2os-"did you hear what he said about..
I missed the last bit"
1os-"yes, I heard it-it was hope"
2os-"oh yes, and change"
2os-"did i miss anything else/"
1os-"oh no-it was all about hope and change"-and he was brilliant.
2os-"yes he is just brilliant"
after the election
president obama;
obama supporters:
"I didn't know that is what he stood for, if I had know that is what he stood for I wouldn't have voted for him.
I don't go along with that"
to late...
Posted by: jgaw | May 4, 2008 7:35:17 PM
West Coast Mess:
I'm impressed by your research skills!
I'm also amazed that Clintonistas have had even limited success in painting Obama as the "elite" candidate running against Hillabeans, who defines elite!
We'll see on Wednesday, Mess, which one of us is whining and which one is still winning! No tsunami is coming, though, sorry you'll be so disappointed!
Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!
Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | May 4, 2008 7:22:36 PM
I was a Clinton supporter and voted for her in our primary but now I am a Obama supporter. I think his ideas are what we need in this country. My X girl says everything that they can to get your vote. We as a country don't need assault weapons if you want to fire one join the Army and you can shoot until you get shot. As far as the gas tax is concern she can't get it pass and she knows it. Even if she could which she can't that crazy BUSH would veto it. We have got to get a footing on the economy and my X girl is using so call tough talk to pander the will of the people that are in need the most. The Wright controversy is being used by the media to keep the argument on the front burner to see which one can get the most ratings. The 20 years or so that he was there and the ranting of his sermons started after 911 so the media has shown us. If it was before then they would have played some of them. So it seems his craziest didn't start until then and maybe he has developed dementure.
Posted by: Gloria P | May 4, 2008 7:13:12 PM
jgaw,
You are right!! First we had the "Race Speech," then the "Addendum to the Race Speech" and now we are due the "Gun Speech". I think Obama did deliver the "Working Class Speech" in Indiana with the rolled up sleeves and "food stamps" plug. Note, working class people do not really qualify for food stamps, for the most part. Shouldn't someone on the Obama staff tell him that?
Posted by: countallthevotes | May 4, 2008 7:13:04 PM
Americans have a love affair with guns.
It's sick and obscene.
The proof is in the pudding...look at the number of murders there every year.
Oh I know....guns don't kill people.
Beatles said it well..."Happiness is a warm gun"
Posted by: Ascoli | May 4, 2008 7:06:49 PM
Obama believes whatever it takes to get elected. Just like Clinton. Just like Mc Cain.
It really comes down to character. You can have a guy with charisma, or a girl who is tough as nails and a fighter, or an old guy who has an honest and open approach.
Posted by: tomdavie | May 4, 2008 6:50:27 PM
We already know where Hillary stands on Gun theft. she is bound and determined to go down in history as the cause of the next shot heard around the world, remember what our founders did when the British tried taking our guns.
Posted by: Patriot2008 | May 4, 2008 6:46:24 PM
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