Clinton Evokes Bloody Zimbabwe Election Dispute When Discussing Florida and Michigan

Clinton is showing how awful it would be to have a woman President. Crying when things do not go her way, Manipulating, devious, whopper, shrewed, evil, conniving, lying, decieptful, using her husband as the hammer, hiding behind men like Randell and Bill when the going gets tough, all the things I as a woman loathe men for and more but all negative.
Lady Mcbeth may be but no Margaret Thather. Who is going to trust her. And why in the world would any sane person want her as a a VP, when each time the VP who is generally the silent support is silenty digging the grave for the President and hoping for the VP in waiting to end through a June assasination. It that fails to get he finger wagging alpha male to come in and do the Henchman's work for her.

The candidate is not just losing it, she's throwing away her considerable talent in crazy self-destructive directions. It's an audition for the presidency and she's forgetting her lines.

We need to win the GE, that is why.

Posted by: countallthevotes

Do you honestly expect us to believe that these poll result, just released, will in any way be the actual outcome in November? Do you? You do know how polls work right? You do under that they state, quite specifically,, that they are only snapshots in time and in no way have any bearing on an actual outcome if an election ere held?

Obama can kiss MI votes goodbye if they ever did have a revote since he's taken his name of the ballot. He's wrote MI off and they would do the same to him.

Posted by: bman

Oh really? And you speak for the people in Michigan? All of them? I guess I missed the report where you were nominated to this position. Your opinion is your own, you do not represent the voting mood, or the opinion of the people of Michigan! You're probably not even from there, as is the case with most of her supporters who are demanding that Florida and Michigan have their disqualified votes count!

Why Hillary should not be VP:

Friday, May 23, 2008
Head of State: The Reasons That Hillary Should Not Be Vice President

Regarding Hillary Clinton as Barack Obama's running mate:

Originally, this seemed to be a potentially plausible choice--and if presented in the following way, could turn her divisive campaign into a potential coup as a VP candidate. The thinking was the following:

Hillary has run a divisive campaign. Now, just as the nation should mend its divisions in favor a greater unity that would serve the greater needs of our country, so now they would explicitly put these divisions behind them, in the interests of the unity that this nation, after a bitter and divisive Administration, is so in need of. This would serve as a powerful and vibrant example of the very ability to unify that Obama both offers and represents.

However, this would require a candidate that was willing to take such a position of relative shared selflessness in the interests of a greater good--while the Vice Presidency certainly offers its honors (now far beyond the "warm pitcher" of John Vance Garner's famous phrase) and positioning for later Presidential aspirations, such a plan would require the ability to think in terms of a shared effort based on the betterment of the nation, rather than in more grasping, combative and singular terms.

The Clinton camp's behavior over this past week has made such a positive scenario clearly untenable, showcasing the same characteristics that have signified her campaign throughout its long, chaotic, march--its contradictions of previous statements when such changes have a slight possibility of adding a week or two of vitality, its sudden and implausible use of populists guises and specious historical parallels for transparently opportunistic purposes, its near-hallucinogenic transmogrifications of personality and central bases for further continuation,
and the central campaign tendency to place personal attainment over virtually all values that lay in its path.

These characteristics--self over nation, positioning over a consistent presentation of position, values and even self, the willingness to put personal viability over the need to transcend and transform the vast wreckage of state and international relations that remain at this critical time--are as present now, at a moment when wisdom rather than a remorseless, obdurate desperation could fill this gap, as they have been throughout much of the campaign. They would continue to make themselves present during a campaign for vice president, complicating, diminishing and often distracting, in trivial internecine battles, the message of unity and change.

Perhaps Clinton could adopt a more unifying and integrated and less grasping position on the VP subject. However, thus far, the actions of the Clinton camp have made it clear: It's time to clean the slate. Hillary Clinton should not be the Vice Presidential candidate.

Are there any Obama supporters among the bloggers who believe Obama would win FL or MI if the states had revotes somehow?

Just curious as to how much confidence you really have in your man...

Posted by: Amy | May 22, 2008 3:00:52 PM
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Yes I do.

I love Hillary Clinton, but her recent statements sound perfectly Republican, i.e., repeating the same crap over and over and over until some people actually want to believe it's true.

Kind of like Bush when he invaded Iraq after insisting that "Saddam was not disarming." Personally, I'm sick of the Republican "reality distortion field." Enough all ready.

When did the Clintons start noticing africa, after all when bill was president he stood by gutlessly and let 500,000 be slaughtered in a genocide.

Hillary can have FL & MI, but she can't have the Vice Presidency.

Anyone who votes McCain over Obama is a fool and a Bush-loving traitor.

I don't think McCain is an in-the-closet feminist ... sorry to break the news ...

Four dozen you say? Well, let's start with Bill, Hillary, Lanny, Terry, Howard, Sidney...

Imagine we had Hillary as our nominee? She would continued to spew idiotic statements like this all over for the whole world to hear? Not to mention her idea of "democratic" process = move the goal post if your not winning. That will realy go over well!

Don't you just love the internet! They can't spin us anymore! Every word she said during the campaign is readily available. Too bad Hillary/Bill...sorry you can't have even another 4 years!

"It's clear," Clinton told New Hampshire Public Radio in the fall, "this election [Michigan is] having is not going to count for anything. I personally did not think it made any difference whether or not my name was on the ballot."

Where have you been? Have you not been following the primaries? Did you not know that FL and MI are the ones that have to make that decision? Oh wait you are not bothering to think for yourself you are just following whatever the Clinton machine feeds you...no wonder she is losing!

Obama can kiss MI votes goodbye if they ever did have a revote since he's taken his name of the ballot. He's wrote MI off and they would do the same to him.

We are almost there...no more Bush lies...no more Hillary/Bill spinning...for once it will be "We the People"!

YES WE CAN!

Are there any Obama supporters among the bloggers who believe Obama would win FL or MI if the states had revotes somehow?

Just curious as to how much confidence you really have in your man...

Obama was not even on the ballot in Michigan. In Florida, some voters stayed home because they were informed of the terms of the violated contract which would void those results.

Only a re-vote, in which voters are NOT told before hand that it wont count, and in which BOTH Obama AND Clinton ARE able to campaign, would be valid.

The D Part reps in FL and MI have betrayed their constituents by refusing to schedule a legitimate re-vote. Those bum reps in FL and MI should be never have been voted for and they should all be thrown out by the voters. They refused a re-vote - they disenfranchised the voters by refusing a re-vote.

Clinton knows that with a re-vote, with BOTH candidates ON the ballot, and in which the candidates DO campaign, and in which voters ARE NOT informed beforehand of a contract signed by both candidates delcaring that it doesnt count - Clintons numbers will not improve.

LifelongDem, and others. I've spent some time trying to convince Clinton supporters that voting for McCain makes no sense. Not regarding Supreme Court appointments (likely two in a first term), not regarding the war in Iraq, not regarding pro-choice rights. But at some point -- maybe the point where they continue to blow the dog whistle encapsulated in 'Barrack Hussein Obama" -- I've come to realize that I simply don't care anymore. Survey USA has Obama leading McCain by substantial margins in both Virginia and Pennsylvania. And that's before McCain endures half the scrutiny that Obama has over the last few months.

So you know what? I accept your grievance and your decision. You want to leave the Democratic party? Fine. Leave. You don't want to be part of the coming campaign? Also fine. Take a break. Perhaps a new hobby. You want to vote for McCain? Go for it. It's your right and privilege.

Whatever the case? Thanks for the memories. Enjoy your new political status. And please know that you're welcome back whenever or if you should decide to return.

Which doesn't really explain why Clinton didn't make an issue out of Michigan and Florida until it became clear she might not be able to win the nomination without those contests counting.

Or why Clinton campaign senior adviser Harold Ickes, as a member of the DNC's rules and bylaws committee, voted to not recognize Michigan and Florida's delegates, thus -- I suppose -- taking for granted our precious right to vote.