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Clinton is showing how awful it would be to have a woman President. Crying when things do not go her way, Manipulating, devious, whopper, shrewed, evil, conniving, lying, decieptful, using her husband as the hammer, hiding behind men like Randell and Bill when the going gets tough, all the things I as a woman loathe men for and more but all negative.
Lady Mcbeth may be but no Margaret Thather. Who is going to trust her. And why in the world would any sane person want her as a a VP, when each time the VP who is generally the silent support is silenty digging the grave for the President and hoping for the VP in waiting to end through a June assasination. It that fails to get he finger wagging alpha male to come in and do the Henchman's work for her.

The candidate is not just losing it, she's throwing away her considerable talent in crazy self-destructive directions. It's an audition for the presidency and she's forgetting her lines.

We need to win the GE, that is why.

Posted by: countallthevotes

Do you honestly expect us to believe that these poll result, just released, will in any way be the actual outcome in November? Do you? You do know how polls work right? You do under that they state, quite specifically,, that they are only snapshots in time and in no way have any bearing on an actual outcome if an election ere held?

Obama can kiss MI votes goodbye if they ever did have a revote since he's taken his name of the ballot. He's wrote MI off and they would do the same to him.

Posted by: bman

Oh really? And you speak for the people in Michigan? All of them? I guess I missed the report where you were nominated to this position. Your opinion is your own, you do not represent the voting mood, or the opinion of the people of Michigan! You're probably not even from there, as is the case with most of her supporters who are demanding that Florida and Michigan have their disqualified votes count!

Why Hillary should not be VP:

Friday, May 23, 2008
Head of State: The Reasons That Hillary Should Not Be Vice President

Regarding Hillary Clinton as Barack Obama's running mate:

Originally, this seemed to be a potentially plausible choice--and if presented in the following way, could turn her divisive campaign into a potential coup as a VP candidate. The thinking was the following:

Hillary has run a divisive campaign. Now, just as the nation should mend its divisions in favor a greater unity that would serve the greater needs of our country, so now they would explicitly put these divisions behind them, in the interests of the unity that this nation, after a bitter and divisive Administration, is so in need of. This would serve as a powerful and vibrant example of the very ability to unify that Obama both offers and represents.

However, this would require a candidate that was willing to take such a position of relative shared selflessness in the interests of a greater good--while the Vice Presidency certainly offers its honors (now far beyond the "warm pitcher" of John Vance Garner's famous phrase) and positioning for later Presidential aspirations, such a plan would require the ability to think in terms of a shared effort based on the betterment of the nation, rather than in more grasping, combative and singular terms.

The Clinton camp's behavior over this past week has made such a positive scenario clearly untenable, showcasing the same characteristics that have signified her campaign throughout its long, chaotic, march--its contradictions of previous statements when such changes have a slight possibility of adding a week or two of vitality, its sudden and implausible use of populists guises and specious historical parallels for transparently opportunistic purposes, its near-hallucinogenic transmogrifications of personality and central bases for further continuation,
and the central campaign tendency to place personal attainment over virtually all values that lay in its path.

These characteristics--self over nation, positioning over a consistent presentation of position, values and even self, the willingness to put personal viability over the need to transcend and transform the vast wreckage of state and international relations that remain at this critical time--are as present now, at a moment when wisdom rather than a remorseless, obdurate desperation could fill this gap, as they have been throughout much of the campaign. They would continue to make themselves present during a campaign for vice president, complicating, diminishing and often distracting, in trivial internecine battles, the message of unity and change.

Perhaps Clinton could adopt a more unifying and integrated and less grasping position on the VP subject. However, thus far, the actions of the Clinton camp have made it clear: It's time to clean the slate. Hillary Clinton should not be the Vice Presidential candidate.

Are there any Obama supporters among the bloggers who believe Obama would win FL or MI if the states had revotes somehow?

Just curious as to how much confidence you really have in your man...

Posted by: Amy | May 22, 2008 3:00:52 PM
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Yes I do.

I love Hillary Clinton, but her recent statements sound perfectly Republican, i.e., repeating the same crap over and over and over until some people actually want to believe it's true.

Kind of like Bush when he invaded Iraq after insisting that "Saddam was not disarming." Personally, I'm sick of the Republican "reality distortion field." Enough all ready.

When did the Clintons start noticing africa, after all when bill was president he stood by gutlessly and let 500,000 be slaughtered in a genocide.

Hillary can have FL & MI, but she can't have the Vice Presidency.

Anyone who votes McCain over Obama is a fool and a Bush-loving traitor.

I don't think McCain is an in-the-closet feminist ... sorry to break the news ...

Four dozen you say? Well, let's start with Bill, Hillary, Lanny, Terry, Howard, Sidney...

Imagine we had Hillary as our nominee? She would continued to spew idiotic statements like this all over for the whole world to hear? Not to mention her idea of "democratic" process = move the goal post if your not winning. That will realy go over well!

Don't you just love the internet! They can't spin us anymore! Every word she said during the campaign is readily available. Too bad Hillary/Bill...sorry you can't have even another 4 years!

"It's clear," Clinton told New Hampshire Public Radio in the fall, "this election [Michigan is] having is not going to count for anything. I personally did not think it made any difference whether or not my name was on the ballot."

Where have you been? Have you not been following the primaries? Did you not know that FL and MI are the ones that have to make that decision? Oh wait you are not bothering to think for yourself you are just following whatever the Clinton machine feeds you...no wonder she is losing!

Obama can kiss MI votes goodbye if they ever did have a revote since he's taken his name of the ballot. He's wrote MI off and they would do the same to him.

We are almost there...no more Bush lies...no more Hillary/Bill spinning...for once it will be "We the People"!

YES WE CAN!

Are there any Obama supporters among the bloggers who believe Obama would win FL or MI if the states had revotes somehow?

Just curious as to how much confidence you really have in your man...

Obama was not even on the ballot in Michigan. In Florida, some voters stayed home because they were informed of the terms of the violated contract which would void those results.

Only a re-vote, in which voters are NOT told before hand that it wont count, and in which BOTH Obama AND Clinton ARE able to campaign, would be valid.

The D Part reps in FL and MI have betrayed their constituents by refusing to schedule a legitimate re-vote. Those bum reps in FL and MI should be never have been voted for and they should all be thrown out by the voters. They refused a re-vote - they disenfranchised the voters by refusing a re-vote.

Clinton knows that with a re-vote, with BOTH candidates ON the ballot, and in which the candidates DO campaign, and in which voters ARE NOT informed beforehand of a contract signed by both candidates delcaring that it doesnt count - Clintons numbers will not improve.

LifelongDem, and others. I've spent some time trying to convince Clinton supporters that voting for McCain makes no sense. Not regarding Supreme Court appointments (likely two in a first term), not regarding the war in Iraq, not regarding pro-choice rights. But at some point -- maybe the point where they continue to blow the dog whistle encapsulated in 'Barrack Hussein Obama" -- I've come to realize that I simply don't care anymore. Survey USA has Obama leading McCain by substantial margins in both Virginia and Pennsylvania. And that's before McCain endures half the scrutiny that Obama has over the last few months.

So you know what? I accept your grievance and your decision. You want to leave the Democratic party? Fine. Leave. You don't want to be part of the coming campaign? Also fine. Take a break. Perhaps a new hobby. You want to vote for McCain? Go for it. It's your right and privilege.

Whatever the case? Thanks for the memories. Enjoy your new political status. And please know that you're welcome back whenever or if you should decide to return.

Which doesn't really explain why Clinton didn't make an issue out of Michigan and Florida until it became clear she might not be able to win the nomination without those contests counting.

Or why Clinton campaign senior adviser Harold Ickes, as a member of the DNC's rules and bylaws committee, voted to not recognize Michigan and Florida's delegates, thus -- I suppose -- taking for granted our precious right to vote.

Wow...she really got all those old seniors inspired with her speech at the senior living center didn't she. I mean, they were just in a frenzie with Hillary's fear mongering and concern over the loss of democracy.

Just remember if she cared about ALL the voters, she would not have signed a pledge agreeing to the Democratic Party's rules in the beginning. She would not insist that caucus states don't count. She would not call FL or MI a fair election since Obama wasn't even on the ballot in one or campaign in the other. She would not have publicly stated it was a beauty contest. She would realize not everyone turned out to vote. Obama had to overcome name recognition of two Clintons who WERE synamous with the name Democrat. He could only do that by hard campaigning...a fact Hillary full well knows.

Suzanne:

The only reason Obama took his name off the roster was because he knew he didn't have a chance in hell of winning at that time.

He was NOT required to take his name off!!!

In any casem he told his field phoners to spread the word thaat everyone should vote "uncommitted"... which they did.

In Florida, he was the ONLY candidate who advertised prior to the primary.
B O claims that was because of how his advertising contract had been set up.

Doesn't matter!

He BROKE THE RULE!!!!

Ask the people of Illinois about how devious his senatorial elections were in their state.

Ask them what they know about the importance of Emil Stone as the propellant and bearer of other senators' bills to be be passed off to Obama ... then "passed" in HIS name!

Emil is a super delegate for ?????.

All this in the final year of B O's state senatorship.

Bush ran on "Change, and look at some of the changes HE has made.

Raila Odinga, cousin of Obama and member of the Odinga dynasty in Kenya who he aided and financially abetted, ran his bloody campaign as "The agent of Change".

Al qaeda.... GAVE us change!

On the other hand,the changes the Clinton years rewarded us with were economic growth and comfort, and an abundance in the US Treasury.

I have faith that, of all the candidates, Hillary is the only one who can "direct our feet to the sunny side of the street".

Which is why I encourage, implore her, to take it to the convention...... especially in the absence of media objectiveness and in the presence of the media blackout regarding her.

GIVE 'EM HELL, HILLARY!!!

I will and have rejected B. Hussein Obama. Not only have I rejected him I have started telling everyone I meet in the day, alot as I handle customer service as well as deliver and answer the phone, about B. Hussein Obama and his ties to terrorist Ayers and his connection to the Rezko mess and how he got money for “favors”. Nobody has heard of either name, so I tell them to go home or to the office and Google those names and B. Hussein Obama and the people I tell are amazed and comment how in the tank the media is for B.Hussein Obama and how the media has always hated the Clintons. How many times do you think the Republicans will mention Ayers and Rezko not to mention Mrs. B. Hussein Obama and how proud she is for the first time. I think we could lose all 50 states by the time it is over.

One last time for all to hear :
I WILL NOT VOTE FOR BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA ….EVER . !

I agree the country and the media has been sexist in their handling of the Hilary campaign. The media and the country have been walking on egg shells not to offend feminist. If Hilary had been a male she would have been handled in a much more aggressive manner. She has been cottled and pampered. She whines and complains when things don't go her way. As a woman I would like Hilary to have equal treatment. The DNC needs to step up to her and demand she quits. Hilary is damaging the party the party's presidential candidate and possibly this country's future for her own vanity.

Funny how when the candidate YOU want isn't cutting it then i9t's time to change the rules!

Please get a grip folks!

Hillary knew what the rules were and had no complaints when she thought she would be a "shoe in". Now she's is trying to fool the American people into believing somehow their votes don't count because she is not winning!

Again what about the CAUCUSES?

Remember she was whining on and on how unfair she thought they were as soon as she realized that Senator Obama was winning almost each and every one of them?

So now she wants us all to believe that the ONLY thing are votes and not caucuses?
So we must disregard states like Iowa?

Ok, then we need to have another vote in those places that had caucuses!

Come on! Don't you all see what Bill and Hillary are trying to do?

Actualy this is not funny...it's pathetic Hillary and Bill!

I have a feeling a number of people on this blog voted for Bush. Don't like Obama, vote for McCain. You deserve it.

Hilary is a hypocrite. She is soooo concerned that the voices of the people be heard in Michigan and Florida, however she does not want the caucus states to be counted! What about those voices. Those are three states in which she wants to ignore their votes

Last year at this time HRC was a shoe in for the nomination. Yet a year later she is loosing to an unknown politician. The reason she is loosing is because she fumbled and didn't recover. The unknown was able to capatilize on her failure and take the lead.

Now she wants to re-write the rule book. It doesn't really matter who wrote the rules what matters is that everyone knew the rules going into the game.

Her championing the re-vote was about as genuine as her "gas tax holiday". Just as she knew she couldn't deliver a "gas tax holiday", she also knew Obama wouldn't agree to her revote rules that only allowed the original voters to revote. It is a setup so she can say "what are you afraid of" and make it look like Obama didn't want the re-vote.

You are only kidding yourselves if you think anyone in this circumstance would be willing to agree to rules designed to make them loose. So HRC comes up with rules that benefit only her and then when Obama objects he becomes the bad guy.

Hillary is loosing only because of her poor decisions. She thought she didn't need to work for the nomination and Obama knew he did.

How is she more qualified to run this country if can't even beat an unknown politician?

The DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee determined in August, 2007 that the Florida vote wouldn't count and in December of 2007 that Michigan would not count either. That's because both state's democratic parities defied the DNC national edict not to move their primaries to an earlier date. By not campaigning in either state, the candidates agreed with the ruling. The republicans partially punished some of their state parties as well. End of story!

I live in OR, and my primary vote here for president counts MAYBE once in 100 years since its held in May. If we're going to honestly address the issue of primary votes counting the whole system should be changed.

Oregon had a mail-in primary. Florida, being a closed primary state could do the same without much effort, mailing ballots to all registered Dems. A little trickier, would be Michigan, being an open primary state. Maybe there is some way to track who voted in the Democratic primary and resend those folks and have a way to request a ballot for those so ticked they didn't even bother going. Of course, MI would have to have some kind of way to make sure voters did not already choose to vote in the Republican primary. It could be worked out. It would be costly, though probably less costly than orchestrating in-person voting throughout the states. And, it would be a worthwhile and true example of fairness in democracy to be witnessed around the world. Hey, we could actually correctly fix something we botched!

There is plenty of time between now and convention to get actual votes out of these two states and apportion delegates appropriately. Hopefully May 31st, the DNC leaders will finally wake up and embrace truth, justice, and the American way.

Has anyone explained to HRC that the number of votes do not matter? It is delegate count that matters. Wow, this just demonstrates how inept she would be at handling the presidency. She cannot even figure out how to run a succesful Democratic primary campaign.

Let's see...Hillary ONLY wants the primary votes to count and what about the CAUCUSES? I suppose those don't count...hmmmmm and neither does the delegate count...hmmm.

So self-serving! I won't be bamboozled! Not this time!

Please explain how Hillary intends to count the votes of Michigan where she was the only candidate on the ballot???

In some countries that's called a dictatorship. Touche Hillary.

Interesting a Lib states the will of the people, when do they ever do the will of the people, the people want us to drill in ANWAR, the people want lower taxes, they do not want 290 Billion dollars to go to Rich Farmers as the libs are passing that bill now!!

The will of the people huh, what hypocrits they are!!

Thinking | May 22, 2008 10:12:52 AM
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Maybe THEIR election was as devious as THIS one!

GIVE 'EM HELL, HILLARY!!!

Hillary voters, ask yourself this - do you think your candidate would be demanding these votes count if Obama had won both states?

Be honest.

Don't give me that the people didn't choose tio have their primary moved. They elected the fools that did it. They are responsible for these people.

13 of the 28 members of the rules committe are Clinton Supporters, they made the rules. Now she is upset by them? Then she is upset with her own campaign.

And again, I say, where was all this outrage when this decision was made. Where was Senator Clinton's outrage that "millions of people" would be disenfranchised. If this isn't a perfect example of her self-serving behavior, I don't know what it is.

I actually do believe that the rules were created for a reason and the states need to abide by the rules. I also believe that we should count the votes in Florida and Michigan...in some fashion. Whatever the final desicion is, I will accept it. However, I won't accept this "perfectly timed" outrage by Clinton and her supporters. I mean, really...would we be hearing ANY of this if the race had ended on Super Tuesday as she thought that it would? Of course not...she is so desperate that it's pitiful...

Thank you longtimedem for an excellent post. It is time for the media to focus on the REALITY of the Obama candidacy, not the PROPAGANDA that the media force feeds us. That propaganda got us George W. Bush and the Iraq war, and now we are being driven towards a disastrous for the country Obama presidency. Obama got his start in politics by backstabbing and cheating his mentor Alice Palmer for her elected seat. Democracy is counting the votes. Thank you Hillary for standing up to the DNC, the sexist, Clinton hating media, and all the Obama supporters that say votes don't count. Yes votes count, women count, and we won't back down!

Mr. David Brooks points out in his 3-25-08 column in The New York Times “Obama lawyers successfully prevented re-votes in Florida and Michigan.” I amazed that the preventing Michigan and Florida vote thus disenfranchising millions of Democratic voters didn't seem to bother the whole media establishment one bit, which reminds me of the Supreme Court Handing over Florida vote to George Bush. Is this the new kind of politic that Sen. Obama promising the country? But this is nothing new for Mr. Obama. And in this new era of new politics promised by Sen. Obama, can this really happen, or is this politics as usual-- circa Florida 2000? The more Sen. Obama strains to speak of change and new politics in America, less and less of it seemed real. Sen. Obama should practice what he preaches so blatantly and the presidential primary campaign is a good place to start…Disenfranchising American voters─ no other person knows more about this subject than our former Vice-President Al Gore. It is ironic we just witnessed the same thing happen to Hillary Clinton, that happened to Al Gore in November 2000. Sen. Obama’s lawyers had successfully blocked the re-voting of Michigan and Florida, suggests that this new era of Obama politics is even worse than the old ear of politics of Mr. Bush! For the sake of all those voters who were shutout by Sen. Obama's lawyers, Al Gore should endorse Hilly Clinton.

$40 Million in Debt?

I'd say that it's high time that Senators Clinton's supporters start digging into their wallets* and pay down that debt.

What kind of fiscal responsibility does this demonstrate?

* Sorry for the use of the overly masculine term "wallet" - should have included the term "purse?"

"A vote is not just a piece of paper. A vote is a human voice; a statement of human principle. And we should not let those voices be silenced. Not for today, not for tomorrow, not for as long as the country's laws and democratic institutions let us stand and fight to let those voices count." - Al Gore

If the committee decides to not count and seat Florida and Michigan AS THEY VOTED then by all means, we MUST take this fight to Denver.

Barack "bamboozle America" Obama and David "Broken" Axelrod do not want Florida and Michigan to count.

Well, I think the 17+ million MAJORITY of voters in this election that have voted for Hillary Clinton will have a lot to say on this matter!

Let your voices be heard loud and clear!!

America is worth fighting for!!

Count the votes from Florida and Michigan as they voted!

NO EXCEPTIONS!!
NO DEALS!!
NO RETREAT!!

GO HILLARY!!

Amy,
Best post!!! The pundits and the media talk like it was the PEOPLE in those states that moved the dates!

hoosier sue did you mean mccain when you said payed bloggers?

please mccain is doing it, hillary is doing by the looks of it

i have no idea if obama is doing it, but if the other two are then i dont see why he wouldnt do it as well.

It is obvious that rush limbaugh is also getting people to do the same thing

so CALLI

stop being a moron

your candidate is a liar, and a cheater, and is acting like a 2 year old

i hope she hurts the party, adn i hope they kick her and bill out of the party

lets see her run as an independant lol, mccain for the win!

The real people Florida Democratic voters did not choose to loose their right to have their primary vote counted. The State's Republican administration chose to deny their Democratic population's ability to have their votes counted.

I assure you this...

My grandmother, age 85, from her little $40K condo in Delray Beach, who no longer drives and spends her days trying to manage her Osteo pain on the few prescriptions she can afford didn't choose to break a rule and lose her voice.

My mother, age 59, working in a daycare for $8.10 an hour after suffering two strokes, who suffered so severe injuries from the strokes she can no longer function as a paralegal, nor can she drive, nor can she qualify as disabled, so she struggles on barely existence wages. She did not vote to break the DNC rule and lose her voice.

My ex-husband, age 39, toiling in the hot sun, trying to get enough hours in construction amidst a dreadful housing bust in the state, did not vote to break a rule to lose his voice either.

Get it straight people, the real, working Democratic voters in Florida, struggling to just get by, did not choose this mess.

But, they are ALL being shafted by the DNC, and only one candidate gives a darn if they are heard. The other candidate is evidently afraid of what they will say. Disgusting.

This is a disgrace to our party that after 2000, we are divided on the issue of whether every vote really should count or not.

If McCain chooses Gov. Crist, combined with this mess, Florida we surely be handed to the red column in November. No chads, no recounts will be needed...it'll be a blow-out.

Jake,

I was feeling sorry for HRC and thinking what is the harm in letting her end her campaign with dignity but now I see just how dangerous and devisive she is. I will never cast a vote for this candidate. Not in 2008, 2012 or 2016 ... NOT EVER !!! The supers need to act and get rid of her. If her supporters can't deal with losing fairly, by the rules that all candidates agreed to, then write her name in or go live in another world with Hillary.

Count Every Vote Rally :
Sorry, i can't come to the that rally, since preoccupied with some other things. But yes, I believe we should also force Super Delegates in each Blue states, wherever Hillary has won - like NJ, NY, CA, etc etc, to vote for hillary. They can not take our votes for granted - just because we have been voting for this party blindly.
Obama has won all the red states, which never voted for Dems, where as all the blue state's voter think Hillary is the right choice. They can not and must not be allowed to disregard the unanimous wish of Blue state's voters. And that's the bottomline. It would be ridiculous to see a nominee who was supported largly in the red state to lead democratic party in WH.

Hillary lost. It's over. To try to portray her as a fighter might be accurate, but who is she fighting for? Hillary! If "her" supporers choose to vote for McCain or not at all, then it is their constitutional right;however, just like the people who voted for Bush regretted it, they surely will. I would just hope that people would care a little more about others than their love for "their" candidate. I do not like Hillary;however, if she became the nominee I would have no choice but to vote for her. This war has to end. Young people are dying. People can't afford food, insurance or their home. I am not voting my own economics, I would love to have fewer taxes. I am voting my conscious. True democrats need to look within and find a way for "our" party to win.

Would Clinton be making the same push if she "lost" Michigan and Florida? If the answer is "no," then this is just political opportunism and all the talk about democracy is just window dressing.

OK HRC supporters, answer this question:

IF HRC manages to STEAL the nomination away from Obama using "dirty math", how does she get his supporters behind her?

How does SHE win without US??

Anybody.......jump in....don't all talk at once....(cue the crickets)

I hope this is posted. I want to make a correction to Hillary's assertion on Zimbabwe. She can not compare what is going on there with her situation. Zimbabwe votes were counted, Mugabe's party lost but opposition MDC party never had enough to form a government according to the constitution. Because the West dislike Mugabe, they want MDC to come in contrary to what the constitution says. They are following the rule contrary to what Hillary is doing. Hillary knew what the rule was before the start of this primary, why is she demanding a change to the detriment of the opponent? So she is not better than the so called third world that everyone in the west criticise all the time.

I didn't count them right! 12 Caucus states, not 9.

The popular vote total is the votes cast by individuals in state primaries. Caucus votes don't count in the popular vote total because they are counted in terms of delegates, not votes, and many states don't count the number of people attending caucuses. How is Hillary accounting for that? She wants to count Michigan where she was the only candidate, and Florida where many voters stayed home, but not the nine caucus states? That’s her idea of counting every vote?
Washington and Texas caucuses (won by Obama) not included below because these states hold primaries AND caucuses. Caucus state include (Obama won all of them)
• Iowa
• Alaska
• Colorado
• Idaho
• Kansas
• Minnesota
• N Dakota
• Nebraska
• Maine
• Hawaii
• Wyoming

Why should the bad decisions of a few individuals dis-enfranchise the votes of americans?

Anyone who aspires to be president of the United States, the greatest democracy in the world, should be the leader and at the forefront to "Count Every Vote". Hillary continues to show her strength and her willingness to "go to the mat" for the people, while Obama continues to "game the system" and whine about not wanting to campaign in states that don't like him. Obama has shown us that he is a spineless, shape shifting, flip flopping elitist who cannot be bothered to connect with voters who don't "get him". Hillary is a hero to Americans and to woman all over the world!

nicely said O. I agree she will and has said whatever she wants just to win. And all those who vote for her because they believe that she is fighting for them is as wrong as hell.She is only struggling t keep any power that she has left. Her win any and all cost even to the Party is disgusting. I hope all the supers that are left start coming forward in a fast and furious move to shut her up . and out . She is going to ruin this party by trying to take it to the convention floor. She will divide this party right down to its core and many will lose out because of her must win attitude. she is a detriment to the DEM. Party.
Know she is playing the sexist card!!
Please give me a break . I am a 49 year old woman and i would love to see a women President. But under no circumstance will i ever vote for her!!!
She is and will leave a bad taste in many voters mouths for a long time to come. She is hurting another Lady"s chance for becoming President for years to come.

Obama's crooked caucas strategy worked so well that he's now taking a new tactic that, while fair, should be pointed out to the unknowing.

He has 400 paid bloggers fanned out across the internet. It's obvious that at least two have found their way onto this thread.

You people all make me sick...this is my first year voting and I was So excited. I like Obama and Hillary both, but not McCain. And have decided to vote for whomever is the nominee. But you folks are a disgrace to America. The disgusting things you are asying about BOTH candidates really turns new voters off. If this wasn't such an important time to get the RIGHT person in, I would probably set it out.

The DNC will not change the rules on 2 states that broke the rules to favor a canidate that is behind. Also a candidate that is 20mil in dept while Obama is pulling the money in and even pulls in twice what McCain does. Even with the DNC money talks. Hillary has shown herself to be a bad manager in her campaine affairs and financial affairs. The DNC isnt going to hand her what she wants for other reasons as well.
The 2 states have to be punsihed in one form or another or it would send a message that rules do not mean anything.
Clnton aggreed twice to the DNCs decision and now has changed her tune because she needs the votes. Just like Hillary. Now she is in Fl acting like the voters savior. Give me a break. Anything for a vote Hillary. To give Hillary what she wants at this point and to change the outcome of the nomination would tear the dem party apart. The voters in Fl new thet were breaking the DNCs rules. They had a right to oppose and and insist a later primary date. I think the meeting on May 31st will find a way to seat the delegates or even fairly split them but it wont let their decision change the outcome.

Lets tell the whole story since you are a "reporter". Florida and Michian weren't the only states to move the primary dates. As a Florida voter, I was surprised when I saw Obama commercials on TV before the primary here. I understood that the agreement said that there could be no campaigning in the state by the candidates. That was to punish the states financially. Obama supporters that say they didn't vote because of the penalty are liars. We had several important state referendums on the ballot. They stayed home and ignored those? What about the local elections all over the state? 3 other states moved their primary dates as well against the established rules of the DNC. The DNC said that these other states would also be penalized but at a later time. When is this penalty to take place? No matter what the DNC decides, the voters have the last word and if it takes the General Election to have our voices finally heard, the DNC will be sorry.

Someone needs to tell Mrs. Bill Clinton there is no "precious right to vote" in a primary. It's a private matter, and has nothing to do with the government. It's as precious as the right to vote for president of the chess club.

This woman will do anything to win! She has already lied us - since Bill was in the Whitehouse - before they were in the Whitehouse - Whitewater - and about her dealings in the past - she is willing to do anything to win - even change the rules which she agreed to!

DAVID from NH:

What needs to be investigated is the connection between HRC and MI Gov. Jennifer Granholm.

Granholm voted to move the Primary.

Granholm is HRC's State Campaign Chair for MI.

Granholm is an HRC Super Delegate.

Granholm + HRC = suppression of AA vote in MI.

Get it straight, Anne. He said tiny compared to Russia (who had missles pointed at the US from Cuba). Way to slice and dice to suit your argument.

Ann,

Here is the REAL truth:

What will she say next? Whatever will get her votes.( Hillary).

She is the desperate one not Obama...

Hillary,

Get it straight.

Primary / General Election.

The DNC applies here!

Janis...here is one good word to vote for Obama....MCCAIN....look at the news this morning about his spiritual advisor...yezzz

Time for Obama to go to Florida and use his influencing speech writing to woe Florida voters into thinking he will cure everything by telling them nothing but "hope" and "faith". May 18 he said that Iran is a "tiny" country and no threat to America. May 19 he says that Iran is a "grave" threat and I've told you all along. What will he say next? Whatever will get him votes.

Joan...you and all the HRC supporters need to GET A GRIP...Stop blaming Obama for the failure of her campaign. She had just a much chance to get all the votes all over this country as Obama did. Why cannot SHE seal the deal? In Jnauary she could have cared less about Mi and Fl, she said it, "They don't matter." Now she is all over the place trying to get their vote to count, after they broke the rules...

She agreed to re-votes and the Obama forces stopped that in both states.
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BS!! I live her, she only wanted to allow people who voted in the Jan. 15th Primary be allowed to revote. What about all the people who did not vote because they knew it wouldn't count or because Obama wasn't on the ballot. HRC was afraid all the AA voters in Detroit would vote Obama (pop. of Detroit: 1 million). It was all about disenfranchising the AA vote. Even I could see this and I'm a white woman from the suburbs!

I have friends in Mi who are really perplexed on Hillarys stand on this. Thye didn't vote because they were told not to bother by their delegates, because the state had broke the rules. They say many of their friends did the same thing. How can Hillary say every vote counts when MANY people were told to aty home buy their representitives?
Hillary is grasping at every straw she can. She is desperate!! It is sad to see such a great politician turn into a vulture. I feel sorry for her, but Hillary...GIVE IT UP...

This is not about her.
People in Florida want those elections to be counted.

You and the Obama campaign may not like it, but the people in those states want their votes to count.

And lets not pretend that she hasn't tried to get fairer votes in both Michigan and Florida. She agreed to re-votes and the Obama forces stopped that in both states.

Why did they block re-votes is the real question here? Why was there no outrage when the Obama campaign made a concerted effort to crush the Michigan re-vote? Isn't disenfranchisement the dirtiest trick in the book?

Stop clinging to technicalities.