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Ah . . . Neversurrender, you're WRONG. The DNC has NO control over votes - that's state voting laws and those votes in FL and MI were certified by the secretaries of state. The candidates agreed only not to campaign in those states, not that the VOTES wouldn't count - that's because, again, it's not up to them or the DNC whether votes count. The DNC only controls delegates, and churns out flawed delegate counts at that.

Man, what will half of democrats do and our supposed party's principles and the principles of democracy in order to hand this election to Obama.

I often think Obama's confused and running in the wrong country.

"Here, sir, the people govern!"
Alexander Hamilton

Democratic Party Rules: Florida and Michigan votes can't count because they broke the rules by moving up their primary election date.

Democratic Party Rules: Delegates needed to become the nominee = 2026
Democratic Party Rules: Super delegates votes don't count until the convention.
Oh wait, we can change those rules if it benefits Obama. Obama also broke the rules by running a television ad in Florida.

Let’s all pray that Clinton will run independent.

Oh brother with the Obama supporters; "travesty" oh right that people are wanting to be heard in this so called election. Give me a break. "The SD's need to stop her." "She is ruining her legacy" from a bunch of hyennas who were willing to rip her to shreds so their guy can win. Wow you all think way too much of yourselves as the "elite educated" group. People want their voices and choices heard in a Democracy for the Democratic Primary. You're not the landowning Founding Fathers with the only right to vote, times have changed....

Oh right dl, like Obama was sooo at a disadvantage with Oprah rallies, money, CNN, MSNBC and all. Please!

Yes, Yes, Yes! That's our girl! We are right behind you all the way and our resolve is a snowballing force Hillary. Don't let them take it FROM US!

Re: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement:

Watch out, Obama, you're about to step in it! You bit on Bush's statement and showed how inferior you are when it comes to national security. Don't be tempted to make a pompous statement about Hagee and open yourself up to a Rev. Wright assault. Careful, careful... the Republicans are waiting to pounce!

Hillary won WVA BIG and KY BIG

and she won very very convincingly in Ohio and in Pa

despite being outspent 3/4 to 1and out grass rooted in these major states

more importantly ..O man is certain to lose WVA and KY and big demographics in Ohio ...and pa

and along w/ the states he is trailing McCain in the south..including his own favorite demographic heavy states like SC and GA

o man while a historic figure is not
yet ready for prime time..to win this nation and/or the white house

he ought to have been patient in politics and actually WORKED for it in the US Senate

he's too premature ...on the trigger

and he would have made a great senator and even a great VP

while he may be a great ideal and a great symbol of progress in the dem nomniation..

he will be another big time name w/ a loss behind him..if the remaining pols and superdelegates go for him...

and put him up against the m man...
its a mistake...and everyone knows

HIllary is the more experienced and more intelligent and much more capable to appeal to the needed demographics in states like Ohio ...across every demographic except AA in Ohio...

its just that simple...and if you think this about racial politics

its isn't...its just the truth and the facts of what happened in Ohio and in other significant states like Florida, Tx, WVA and Pa

despite ALL the AAs and most of the students voting for O man

Hillary still convincingly won Ohio and Pa and simply crushed him in the other midwestern states...
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why would we consider anyone else?
she won NY NJ CALI AND FLORIDA AND
TENN AND ARK AND NEVADA AND NMEXICO AND THOSE KEY DEM SWING STATES THAT MATTER

WO IDAHO AND UTAH WILL NEVER BRING THD KIND OF ELECTORIAL WEIGHT THAT THESE DO FOR THE DEM NOMINEE this fall

and why don't we want to make sure we win this white house in teh fall

o man made a great symbolic run and did a great campaign...

now its time for real serious politics to get busy and win this thing for the fall

and Hillary is the serious and best contender to do this...just looking at the ONLY MATH THAT MATTERS

and that is the electorial college math and the big swing state math

Hillary CRUSHED o man in Ohio ...'

in every county except among AAs...

even among the surburban voters that every major media outlet and most people in oregon did NOT know about

....folks in ohio went for Hillary
were NOT JUST THE DUMB UNEDUCATED WHITE BOYS AS THE NATIONAL MEDIA AND INSIDERS SAY

Hil girl won across the state and even among major urban centers like Dayton and toledo and Youngstown

...i knew when she won across ALL the demographic lines her candidacy still was STILL VERY MUCH ALIVE

don't allow affirmative action delegate proportional methodology
to grant the nomination to a person as charismatic and historic as he may want to appear

to someone who will NOT win the major swing states

and i may add...wyoming, Idaho and
Utal and so many others he won in the early primaries WILL NOT MAKE UP THE LOSSES IN MAJOR SWING STATES LIKE OHIO PA AND FLORIDA AND ARKANSAS AND KY AND WVA

its not going to happen guys and girls

and proporional delegate math IS NOT FOLLOWED BY THE NATIONAL REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THE FALL

and it does not win the white house

Stripping voters of their votes is what will end the democratic party! Our constitution guarantees each of us the right to vote. Do people understand that republicans as well as democrats in these states voted to move the primary dates? REPUBLICANS!! This is not just an issue of and about dems. This is outright manipulation of an election which is a felony. I say every person who is not counted should file a lawsuit against the appropriate politicians. Class Action! Nixon and watergate, hanging chads, now states eliminated. What is being allowed?

hillary can win Ohio Pa and Florida and
Wva

and make tenn and arkansas very competitive along w/ Kentucky in the fall

...are you obama ites..taking too much pain meds these days ...since the overwhelming votes coming in for Hillary

in the biggest and most important swing states are CLEARLY choosing her over your new /old chicago politics?

....go figure..would would have known Ohio would have voted for hillary in 80 out of 84 counties

....that is...EVERY DEMOGRPAHIC GROUP IN THE ONE OF THE LARGEST STATES IN THE NATION WENT FIRST FOR HILLARY...a distant second to o man

...got electorial?

JEWS IN FLORIDA....DON'T BUY OBAMA'S SPEECH TODAY TO COURT YOUR VOTES. He wants to talk with leaders of Iran, please. Rev. Wright hates Jews....and Obama is Agnostic, not Christian. Hopefully they don't fall for his bs.

Geeze....now McCain is rejecting Hagee endorsement cause he is another religious nut job. Obama camp will use it, but not like Hagee married, prayed with, baptized kids, named book, mentored McCain. Hopefully America will see the difference and Obama camp don't EVEN try to compare a man McCain doesn't know to Uncle Wright.
Sorry, I know this is off subject, but McCain is my guy, if I can't have Hill.

I think you're wrong Spock. The DNC sent out notices (not Obama) that candiates names not on the ballot would not be voted and to register a vote, they should vote as uncommitteed. Instructing folks how to submit a vote and campainging for a coandiate are two very different things. Remember, there were many Candidates in january.. An uncommitted vote could be for any of them. Obama was just following the rules.

HoosierSue...dead on. Obama's early success in Red states, prior to Wright, Ayers, Michelle, bittergate are all he had to cling to. The NC black, and hippy liberal Oregon will matter not in Nov. Let's re vote in MI in Aug. when they are holding elections anyway. Man up Obama...you're fear to debate, to re-vote in MI reveals some real insecurities with a potential President. Not very pretty.

On May 31 is the DNC going to give Obama Michigan delegates that he did not earn?

dl argues that MI and FL shouldn't be counted because they reflect "uneducated" votes.

The truth is Obama has blocked re-voting because he's afraid of the results of a now "educated" vote ala Rev. Wright. As long as the results stand he can claim they are unfair because "they didn't know me". He isn't man enough to let them re-vote and face the results. Sad, sad, sad.

You go

MI will be harder the Florida, because BHO did campaign in Florida.

But also rumor has it the BHO sent out info in MI telling people to vote uncommitted and the votes will go to him!!

if so then he was on the ballot indirectly!!

there is a reason it is called a beauty contest.

but that doesn't matter to the people who want to say the voters voted and it was a correct voting situation...

yet in every other state we sayw huge swings toward Obama...coming close to tying or eventually winning the state after their was campaigning and voters saw them up close and personal.

There is a reason an election like this one wasn't supposed to count. States need to see (as the numbers show) a candidate up close and personal...because it is the only way someone who is a "celebrity" for years doesn't win on that name recognition solely.

The numbers don't lie...if people didn't meet obama in their state they would have voted the same way.

and for those who say Obama ran national commercials...

and Hillary, Bill and Chelsea got free national coverage and interviews.

The difference is made when a candidate comes to the state...as Hillary did the moment the vote was over and she needed it for herself.

She didn't care when it didn't effect her.

Michigan and Florida will be counted the way they should.

In every state they took their turn and watched their numbers as they met the candidates. In almost every single state the numbers were similar to Florida and Michigan before the candidates campaigned and they met them...you know when Hillary led with 20-30 point margins based on her being the woman that was their first lady for 8 ( some say 15 years)... but once the candidates actually went to those states and people saw them speaking up close and personal...and they actually got to hear there policies and stances on how this country should be run... voters ran significantly in the direction toward Obama.

The numbers don't lie...HUGE changes in the vote statistics between before they met the candidates and after...

Why should all the states be subjegated to an uneducated vote (because obviously the numbers don't lie) by two states who did not follow the rules that terry McAuliffe, Rendell, Ickes, and much of the Clinton campaign team had come up with...

The votes will be cut in half. That way they count but the rest of the country that voted is not hurt by the lack of meeting the actual candidates (besides their first lady) before they made some name recognition contest.

but isn't it funny ...Hillary Clinton wants an election to count where her name was the only one on the ballot toward a popular vote... one that she said and helped to decide (because no one had more input and influence on the structure of this campaign than the Hillary team and Hillary herself)...

It is vomit inducing that she fights only when it effects her...and not when it mattered to the voters.

Politics at it's worst.

MI Voter, am I understanding that you don't care that MI voters be disenfranchised so long as it benefits Obama?

There were several proposals for paid-for re-votes in both FL and MI. The first I heard of it was watching James Carville tell an Obama representative (can't remember who) that he had lined up $15 million in private funding and asking if Obama could do the same so they could re-do the primaries without it costing the states a pennyl The rep hemmed and hawed because he knew Obama didn't want re-votes that were likely to work against him.

The last plan I heard was one approved by the DNC and Clinton - I don't know who was paying for it specifically but apparently the DNC didn't see a preferential problem with it. Obama again refused.

Just like his supporters, Obama is afraid of the people's votes being heard and wants to bring this race to a swift and premature close. Why?

MI VOTER, the following excerpts are from the Detroit News, dated Jan 10, 2008:

"U.S. Sen. Carl Levin and state Democratic Party Chair Mark Brewer said Michigan Dems can still have an indirect say in the nominating process if they check the 'uncommitted' box on the ballot. State law prohibits write-ins for candidates who have not authorized write-in campaigns; Obama, Edwards and Richardson have not.

"If 'uncommitted' draws at least 15 percent of the vote in a congressional district, delegates not bound to any candidate could be sent to the national convention, possibly enabling Obama and Edwards supporters to play a role in the nomination.

"'You can't afford not to vote in Michigan,' Levin said. 'It's critically important to vote to have impact on the delegates going to (the national party convention).'

"Michigan campaign teams for Obama and Edwards are actively urging their supporters to vote 'uncommitted,' Brewer said."

The article also mentioned:

"A newly formed group called Detroiters for Uncommitted Voters has launched a phone and door-to-door campaign to get people backing the missing candidates to vote 'uncommitted.'"

So the MI Democratic Party Chair said that the Obama and Edwards campaigns were "actively urging" their respective supporters to vote "uncommitted." That sounds like they were both campaigning in MI. And while another group was conducting a phone and door-to-door campaign to get people to vote "uncommitted," there is nothing to indicate that either the Obama or Edwards campaigns were specifically involved in the phone and door-to-door effort. But one can easily, rightly or wrongly, infer that "actively urging" might include phone and door-to-door campaigning.

The popular vote total is the votes cast by individuals in state primaries. Caucus votes don't count in the popular vote total because they are counted in terms of delegates, not votes, and many states don't count the number of people attending caucuses. How is Hillary,s campaign accounting for that? They wants to count Michigan where she was the only candidate, and Florida where many voters stayed home, but not the twelve caucus states? That’s her idea of counting every vote?
Washington and Texas caucuses (won by Obama) not included below because these states hold primaries AND caucuses. Caucus state include (Obama won all of them)
• Iowa
• Alaska
• Colorado
• Idaho
• Kansas
• Minnesota
• N Dakota
• Nebraska
• Maine
• Hawaii
• Wyoming

The system needs fixing.. badly. But its too late to do it before the convention. The deligate votes, including FL and MI have to count. Its determining how to count them that is the problem. Popular vote count in this system is impossible becuse too many were not calculated. Let the deligates be counted, and lets clobber McCain.

QUESTIONER wrote:
BO CHOSE to take his name off the Michigan ballot.... and hired tons of phoners to spread the word to write in "UNCOMMITTED" because he didn't think he'd win there then.
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Not true, this is from the VOTERS GUIDE to the MI Jan. 15 Primary, put out by the DNC and the MI Sec. of State:

9. Supporters of Joe Biden, John Edwards, Barack Obama and Bill Richardson are urged
to vote “uncommitted” instead of writing in their candidates’ names because write-in
votes for those candidates will not be counted under state law.
Paid for by the Michigan Democratic State Central Committee, 606 Townsend, Lansing, MI
48933, 517-371-5410 and not authorized by any candidate or candidate committee.
12/12/07

Stop quoting BS facts!!!!!!!

HoosierSue said:
Obama chose to take his name off the ballot in MI because the polls didn't favor him. Obama blocked re-votes in both states because he's trying to manipulate the outcome of this contest. How is counting the votes as they stand not democratic?
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As usual Sue, you don't have the facts. Obama did not take his name off the ballot because he thought he would lose. There are 1 million AA voters in Detroit alone. He took it off because it was a "gentlemen's agreement" in solidarity to SC and NV. All the others took their names off, but Hillary said she would and then didnt.

Don't quote facts about MY vote and MY state. I LIVE IN MI. I KNOW what went on here.

Jeanne from MI

Why don't find a way of redoing the voting in Florida and Michigan? instead of just letting it the way it is. They will regret it if they go about by partisanship instead of the reality of the vote set by voters.
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The states cannot afford to pay for a revote. The DNC didn't to pay for, they wanted to save their money for the GE.
HRC proposed a revote paid for by all her fat cat campaign donors.
A privately funded election?
Thanks, but no thanks.

Of course this should go to the convention. This party is split right down the middle. The Superdelegates can align with anyone they choose now, but until they cast their vote at the convention, nothing is carved in stone. Obama and the DNC will make a huge mistake if they crown him King on June 3rd; it will permanently disenfranchise millions of voters who feel this fight is not over.

As for MI and FL, since the DNC approved and Hillary agreed to complete re-votes - completely paid for - and Obama called in his team of lawyers to block re-voting, then let the numbers stand as they are. Obama is trying to suppress the voters of two key states, apparently thinking he can breeze in, turn on the charm, and they'll be swept up in Obama Fever and forget all about how he screwed them.

Both names were on the ballot in FL. Obama chose to take his name off the ballot in MI because the polls didn't favor him. Obama blocked re-votes in both states because he's trying to manipulate the outcome of this contest. How is counting the votes as they stand not democratic?

Why don't find a way of redoing the voting in Florida and Michigan? instead of just letting it the way it is. They will regret it if they go about by partisanship instead of the reality of the vote set by voters.

Oh no....ALL the way to the convention! It's unprecedented. This is never happened before! The DNC won't know what to do. Apparently they've never planned for the possibility of a primary race that plays out to the end. They're too busy figuring out if they are still “the party” the cares about strong women or not.
"The truth will set you free. But first, it will p iss you off." – Gloria Steinem
HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT 2008!!!

larry:
So if we question his ethics and antics and background and decide we will NOT vote for Obama you will threaten us?

"So best be packing now, for change is coming, and you can either be on the side of the future, or you can find yourself increasingly unrepresented, and without a voice."

"As for your actions against Obama, go ahead. Do your best. Necessary and reciprocal action will be taken against Hillary, the Clinton Legacy, everything. "

I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS UP!

The media has already created a blackout on news and publicity favoring Hillary Clinton, a candidate in the same travesty of an election your bud BO is running.

Instead, we are immersed by the media in a vat of newsfat so deep and slippery with his his latest predictions and his longest farts...
with nowhere to turn to for N E W S!

This is acceptable to you?

This is the Democratic Party of Tomorrow?

This is your view of Democracy?

Threats and news blackouts?

I'll stick with Hillary, thank you.

See you at the convention!

GIVE 'EM HELL, HILLARY!!!

Until one candidate reaches the number of 2026 pledged delegates the contest is simply not over! If that does not happen before the convention, then it should go to the convention. That's what it's meant for...not just a feel good party to spin. I think it would be great to actually have a convention where real, roll up your sleeves, political process work gets done.

What kind of message are we sending to future generations if we promote, "you're behind and have a slim chance so just give it up and quit!" That's not the Democratic Party I want leading my three children. That's not the Democratic Party that can really bring "change" to our nation.

I played basketball all the way through college. When you're down 6 points with only a minute to go, you don't walk off the court! Whether she wins or not she is this year's MVP...a scrappy, tenacious player who doesn't back down and quit when the odds are stacked against her. Sounds like a real leader to me!

If Hillary doesn't watch out, the Clinton legacy will be tarnished. She is on thin ice here. I can't believe she would do this. She wants to win at any cost, how sad. People, it's not about us, it's all about her winning.

Go Hillary! We need a leader who dont quit. If Senator Clinton does not prevail, it is a no brainer that the empty suit Obama does not pick up much of her support. This fight belongs on the convention floor. Maybe Howard Dean will even show some leadership and stop punishing voters in two states because of decisions they had no say in. Last democrat to fight all the way to the convention was Ted Kennedy. Funny that the man who did that was so well respected, but a women who would do that has been labeled arrogant by Eugene Robinson, Washington Post. It is truly sad that all this gender discrimination still is happening.

The Democrats cannot have a legitimate nominee with 48 states. It's ludicrous. The Dems cannot win without Michigan and Florida in November. Hillary can win those states and Obama can't. That's why Obama is for voter disenfranchisment of voters in Michigan and Florida. It's repulsive. The Democratic party cannot be complicit in disenfranchising voters.

Howard Dean is incompetent and should resign. Donna Brazille is the one who insisted that Florida and Michigan be stripped of all their votes. Brilliant. She should resign from the DNC Rules Committee. Her recent comments about "not needing the old Dem coalitions" will come back to bite her and the DNC. She should apologize. You don't insult the voters you need. Some Dems just don't get it. The Clintons do, they always have. That's why Hillary has won all of the big, electoral rich states that the Dems must in November and Obama has won exactly NONE of these states. Obama is unelectable.

Rock on Hillary! Fight this thing through the DNC convention where you will prevail. Florida will decide YOU are the victor! I LOVE the sunshine state!

Follow the money trail and you will find the answers.

Hillary has become evil, very evil for the party and shewill bring it down and really we mean it. She knows that the Fl+MI delegates count is not on her favor, but she is making it an issue which she has created with her friends. That is a real shame.

factchecker | May 21, 2008 8:45:35 PM
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BO CHOSE to take his name off the Michigan ballot.... and hired tons of phoners to spread the word to write in "UNCOMMITTED" because he didn't think he'd win there then.

IN Florida, B O was the ONLY candidate to CAMPAIGN prior to the primary.

What about the other states who ignored the DNC's dumb rule? How come THEY weren't disenfranchised?

A President is supposed to be FOR the PEOPLE.... even the ones who don't vote for you.

GIVE 'EM HELL, HILLARY!!!

Ed Williams 7:00:28. When are people like you going to admit out loud that Republican lobbyists raised $100 Million for Obama in 2007? When are you going to admit Republicans did this to try and "knock off" Hillary Clinton? They also knew Nancy Pelosi despises Bill Clinton and was not about to hand any power over to rival Hillary Clinton. In case you haven't noticed, Pelosi pretty much does what she wants. The rest of the "leaders" failed in their try for president. This part is about jealousy. It was real convenient to blame the Clintons. I mean, after all, with all the baggage-Hillary would still be elected after they all failed? So by pitting two historical candidates against each other for selfish reasons, they screwed themselves big time. The DNC caused the big division and now they have to live with it. Older Women like me who a long time ago had to live with the kind of trash that's been thrown at Hillary, will never, never, never vote for Obama because that's what we are TOLD to do.

Isn't it ironic that it's the black candidate who is in favor of disenfranching voters? What would Martin Luther King, who worked so hard for voter's rights think of Barack Obama? Not much I bet.

It is enjoyable to watch the punditry explode watching their chosen one getting crushed, after all, THEY have declared HIM the winner. LOL.

Hillary Clinton must remain in this race through the DNC convention in August where she will prevail because she's the most qualified and most electable candidate in the race.

Last night, Hillary received more than 200,000 MORE votes than Obama. Wow. Obama is in big trouble, he's losing support in every voting group, the Dems would be foolish to nominate him, he's unqualified and unelectable.

The fact is the delegates are not really "pledged" to anyone, they can vote however they wish. That's why this race will NOT be decided until the DNC convention in August.

The corporate owned media will NOT decide this race, the people will! Hillary has won the popular vote. Hillary has already proven she's the strongest candidate by winning big in all of the big must win states for the Dems in November. Obama has won exactly NONE of these states and would not win them in a general election in November.

Rock on Hillary! You are on a roll!

Hillary Clinton deserves respect and we intend to give it to her. She's earned it with a lifetime of public service.

The Democratic party has failed women who have been the majority voting block of the party for decades. Women have been under the false illusion that the Democratic party stood for women's rights. They have failed to denounce the rampant sexism, classism, racism and voter disenfranchisement that Obama, his campaign and supporters and the media 24/7 have continually interjected into this campaign. Not ONCE has the Demcratic party denounced it. Not once. It is unacceptable and we will not forget. Women want Hillary and if they Dems fail to nominate Hillary, the finest candidate they have had in decades, we will bolt in protest and vote for McCain. Paybacks are hell but necessary.

This a fight for the heart and soul of the Democratic party. The old, liberal elite losers are trying to power grab using Obama, it won't work. They don't win general elections. The Clintons win because they are centrists.

Keep fighting Hillary! Hillary is being victimized and everyone's giving her a hard time because she's a woman.

Posted by: WomenRule

Oh boo hoo! Hillary's a women? Really? did she just become one because the poll said it might work for her? Honestly, didn't she say that this "was the fun part", "to get out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat"? O what about Bill saying "in politics you either suit up or go home"? What part of these statements from your candidate do you not understand? She and you can't have it both ways!

Is this what she means by experience of lifetime? experience to know how to twitch the system? experience to know how to backstab the democracy? experience to know how to solicit uneducated and less privileged? experience to use anything for her own gain? experience to know how to divide and burn? experience to know how to sabotage American people who spoke their minds through the rule everyone agreed?

If this is her campaign, I don't want to see her ever in WH as a cabinet member nor vp because on day one you will see much greater roller coater falling than it is now.

WoW...seriously WOW. What are you guys on? A set of rules was put in place, they were ignored, and now...wooo...here comes Hillary? Give me a break. I'll promise you all one thing, you cannot really trust any of the candidates and if you think you can you are naive.

Hillary 'sniper fire' Clinton? Obama and his "I didn't know" reverend? McCain and the fact he has pretty much flipped on everything he believed in?

Having fanatic feelings about any of these three is as stupid as Apple and PC users fighting it out. But on this issue it is clear, rules were made, they were accepted and low and behold someone wants to change them...oh...for the people...yes the people. lol...whatever

We don't like his new party, it doesn't represent us, and we will defeat Obama any way and every way that we can.

Posted by: jdona
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So then where will you people go? The AARP Party? The Senior's Party? I have to ask, because the part you so desperately cling to has only one chance of survival, and that is adapt or die! Like all things in the world, you can't isolate yourself from change anymore than man can control the sunrise. So best be packing now, for change is coming, and you can either be on the side of the future, or you can find yourself increasingly unrepresented, and without a voice. As for your actions against Obama, go ahead. Do your best. Necessary and reciprocal action will be taken against Hillary, the Clinton Legacy, everything. Together, we'll destroy the democrat party, and you and her followers can go off to retirement ville happy in the though that you taught those young whipper-snappers a thing or two! Meanwhile, we'll be cutting back on social security and all those other nice benefits old people like so that the debt you boomer's have created is paid by the generation responsible. Sounds good, right? Is this the type of mindset you so desperately seek? Retaliation? Revenge? Well guess what, it works both ways.

We all need to kick Howard Dean in the a$$. It is because of him we are going to have hard feelings no matter who becomes the nominee.

For all of those HRC supporters screaming disenfranchisement, think about this: Wouldn't counting votes in an election when everyone was told they wouldn't count disenfranchise those that stayed home because they knew their votes wouldn't count? Some people are going to be disenfrancised in any case, let's just play by the rules.

Obama has gotten the nomination by playing by the rules, period. You can't wait to see the outcome of the game and then debate the rules, Hillary knew the rules of the nomination process and agreed to them. Why can't she and her supporters admit that ?

Obama believes he's entitled to the nomination Mary? LOL.....I think you mean Clinton when talking of entitlement. There's no other way to explain her complete lack of strategy after Super Tuesday.

Side bet. Obama gets commits from supers on June 4th. Pelosi says we should let all the states get to enjoy the process. Fine.

Then on June 4th, the winner will be selected.
Obama will need only an equal number of supers.

It cerainly is sad that the corrupt Obama believes that he is entitled to be the President by any means possible. That is how he was a state senator in the first place, he eliminated his opponents by corrupt means and so had no competition. Such a flake and a fraud.
Senator Clinton is a far more honest candidate all the way around.

Nancy Pelosi!!
Congratulations. You get to show what courage is.
Speak out. Obama has won the majority of the legimate elections, and the majority of the delegates.

It does not appear that Clinton will make it easy for you. Sorry. Do what you can to keep her 'victimized feminists' from voting to put the Supreme court under the control of the fundamentalists, but act to keep democracy. Clinton is all-ego and nothing about USA now.

Michigan doesnt count because there are 10 million people there and if it were first, the only people who would ever be president would be super-rich, brand names. Clinton's entire cadre signed off that NH is first and approved the wording, "So the election cannot be bought".
NH is first because it is smaller than many counties and has fewer people than many counties, so any person reading this can run for president there if they want to take the trouble to do it in the winter in New England.
The speeches about counting the disenfranchised, she and McAuliffe are giving, are crocodile tears, we know, after she was interviewed by National Public radio in NH while she campaigned there, and Clinton said, that MICH shall not count.
Florida is a weird case. Republicans moved the date against the will of the Dems there. But since then, the DEM congresspeople failed to approve a sensible plan to use mail in ballots, the same as Oregon. They claimed it would be hard to tell if people got their ballots. Really?
In the rest of the USA, the USPS can require a signature to deliver a mail piece. It seems to work fine in Oregon.

According to Michigan primary exit polls, 18% of those who voted for Hillary would have voted for Obama had his name been on the ballot, and 79% of those who voted uncommitted would have voted for him. That needs to be taken into account, as does the fact that many supporters of those not on the ballot may well have stayed home thinking it wouldn't count, and many independents voted in the republican primary instead. A primary with a partial ballot, which is announced beforehand as a nonbinding "beauty contest," can only yield skewed results.

i an a dem.. i am over 50.. i also believe that rules should be followed, BUT..
rules that cause the loss of basic rights must be reviewed and altered, and when any one places himself to disallow such justifiable action loses my respect.

oh, and one other thing. reading this makes me think i'll be seeing some of you out on the streets making fools of yourselves before it's over

Hillary is fighting for justice. The DNC leaders have been idiots. She is forcing the superdelegates to make their move. A good decision by Hillary... she's forcing the gears to work faster because right now it has stalled. Brilliant.

How is the DNC ramming Obama down your throat?

People voted for him, and in the system that is established, he is ahead on all counts. Her count of the popular vote leaves out the caucus states that Obama won. So she does not count everyvote after all.

It saddens me to see so much ignorance displayed here. I see a lot of people making assumptions about Hillary's motives for staying in this race. A lot of people posting here need to step back and realize for a moment that they are not mind readers and nobody but Hillary knows why she is staying in this race. I will take her for her word and based on her actions that she is running because she feels she would be a better candidate than any of the other contenders.

You people saying that she is running for power or ego or money or anything else simply add to this countries ignorance and hate.

This woman likens this fihht to the Civil Rights Movement?

What the hell is this about? Fl and MI disenfranchised themselves. There was no movement by the general public to surpress their input, there was no Fl and MI only drinking fountains, restrooms, no law saying they had to ride the back of the bus.

She was partial to the punshiment of the DNC, she disenfranshised them, now she claims to be the savior? The good master who releases her subject?

She is full of BS.

McCain WAS a good man. His views seems to have changed radically since starting his run for the White House. Think he'll be the old John McCain once he wins the election and will tell the neo-cons and ultra-rights that he has to win over to win the election to go pound salt? That's not a risk I want to take.

If you like what's happened to the Supreme Court in the last 8 years and want to see more justices like Thomas, Souter, Scalia, and Alito appointed then McCain is your man. Clearly they are already rubber stamping W's constitutional misdeeds and that will only get worse with a fully conservative court. Risk one presidential term against 30 years of a fully conservative court? That's not a risk I want to take.

I HOPE HILLARY GOES TO FLORIDA FOR A FIGHT. I'M A WHITE WOMEN, REPUBLICAN AND FLORIDA RESISDENT AND I'M VOTING FOR OBAMA. SHE ONLY WANTS THE GLORY AND COULD CARE LESS ABOUT US. BESIDES SHE IN THE HOLE 6 MILLION DOLLARS FOR HER RUN. SHE NEEDS US TO PAY HER BACK.

jdona

I do think there is some generational elements at work here...however I'm not so sure the Clinton's just 8 years out of the Whitehouse are so old guard.

My preference for Hillary as a President is based on her overwhelming lifetime of accomplishments and smart and forward looking foreign policy ideas.

I am more than a little concerned at Obama as a commander in cheif...I think he is a lot more like Bush than McCain.

I have always thought of myself as liberal. During the course of this election I have discovered I am more centrist in my thinking.

Hillary or McCain

If the House and Senate go Democratic we may need a Republican president to keep from overcorrecting after Bush. That assumes that Hillary doesn't make it...I am more comfortable in this case of voting McCain over Obama.

I do indeed feel my party left me. I am willing to vote "principles over personalities" in most cases, but I really want the checks and balances that have been missing with Bush. McCain is a good man.

Ge:

I want health care, too...but not at the expense of losing doctors and telling them they spent years of study (not to mention thousands of dollars) for a pittance. My friend--who shares your beliefs--married a Canadian and had her first taste of Canadian health care. She's changing her vote. She saw socialism up close and personal and it scared her to death.

NO healthcare for you!

Ge:

I am not bitter. The fact is, I am tickled pink he's the nominee.

I want John McCain as my President, and it is now assured.

Joanne

jdona said:
"This Democratic Party has morphed into something that is just unrecognizable to some of us old timers."

Actually, for some of us old timers the Democratic Party is morphing into something far better than it's been.

I, like you, am over 50. This will be the tenth presidential election I've voted in, and the FIRST TIME EVER that I'm voting FOR someone, instead of AGAINST someone. That makes Obama a once in a lifetime chance - and as an "old timer" I've got some experience behind me to back up that opinion.

I'm tired of bothe Hilary, and Barack. It's McCain for me.

Clinton supporters will shoot themselves in their feet. Obama is the one playing by the rules, not changing them. Michigan was a Soviet style election, It can't count for anything.

Why would you vote for a republican if you want health-care.

Clinton is the new Nader, republicans love it.

Joanna Estes-

Don't insult the Obama supporters because you're bitter.

To NOT48:

You may want to check with your leader, Hillary. The way she talks, there really are 51 states, since she will likely want to add the Puerto Rician vote total in her popular vote metric...

Even though they don't count in the general election.

Good day! (<

There's no way Hillary can win this nomination unless the primaries are rigged in her favor by superdelegates.

You cannot change the rules after the votes have been cast. Some people did not vote in Florida and Michigan because they were told the votes would not count. Even Hillary acknowleged that before the primaries started. There's no doubt the outcome in Florida and Michigan would have been different if all the contenstants had been allowed to campaign in those states... Maybe John Edwards would still be in
the hunt.

Democrats will never win the White House in our lifetime if they rig the primaries for Hillary.

Dear Michigan Voters:

You live in Michigan. Poor dears.

SO DNC IS READY TO LET DEMOCRACY LIVE IN 48 STATES ONLY. FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN ARE NOT PART OF OUR DEMOCRACY AND THEY CAN JUST WATCH HELPLESSLY WITHOUT ANY SAY TO ELECT THEIR NEXT LEADER.

IF AMERICA HAS ONY 48 STATES, DNC IS RIGHT BUT HELLO, WE HAVE 50 STATES, TWO OF THEM NAMED FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN

I'm from Michigan and no really voted because we knew it wouldn't count. The average guy in MI didn't participate isn the botched primary with one name on the ballot and don't want Michigan counted because no one voted and no ones name was on the ballot.

To jdona:

You don't think the inverse of your argument is true as well? That a slightly greater amoun