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Ah . . . Neversurrender, you're WRONG. The DNC has NO control over votes - that's state voting laws and those votes in FL and MI were certified by the secretaries of state. The candidates agreed only not to campaign in those states, not that the VOTES wouldn't count - that's because, again, it's not up to them or the DNC whether votes count. The DNC only controls delegates, and churns out flawed delegate counts at that.

Man, what will half of democrats do and our supposed party's principles and the principles of democracy in order to hand this election to Obama.

I often think Obama's confused and running in the wrong country.

"Here, sir, the people govern!"
Alexander Hamilton

Democratic Party Rules: Florida and Michigan votes can't count because they broke the rules by moving up their primary election date.

Democratic Party Rules: Delegates needed to become the nominee = 2026
Democratic Party Rules: Super delegates votes don't count until the convention.
Oh wait, we can change those rules if it benefits Obama. Obama also broke the rules by running a television ad in Florida.

Let’s all pray that Clinton will run independent.

Oh brother with the Obama supporters; "travesty" oh right that people are wanting to be heard in this so called election. Give me a break. "The SD's need to stop her." "She is ruining her legacy" from a bunch of hyennas who were willing to rip her to shreds so their guy can win. Wow you all think way too much of yourselves as the "elite educated" group. People want their voices and choices heard in a Democracy for the Democratic Primary. You're not the landowning Founding Fathers with the only right to vote, times have changed....

Oh right dl, like Obama was sooo at a disadvantage with Oprah rallies, money, CNN, MSNBC and all. Please!

Yes, Yes, Yes! That's our girl! We are right behind you all the way and our resolve is a snowballing force Hillary. Don't let them take it FROM US!

Re: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement:

Watch out, Obama, you're about to step in it! You bit on Bush's statement and showed how inferior you are when it comes to national security. Don't be tempted to make a pompous statement about Hagee and open yourself up to a Rev. Wright assault. Careful, careful... the Republicans are waiting to pounce!

Hillary won WVA BIG and KY BIG

and she won very very convincingly in Ohio and in Pa

despite being outspent 3/4 to 1and out grass rooted in these major states

more importantly ..O man is certain to lose WVA and KY and big demographics in Ohio ...and pa

and along w/ the states he is trailing McCain in the south..including his own favorite demographic heavy states like SC and GA

o man while a historic figure is not
yet ready for prime time..to win this nation and/or the white house

he ought to have been patient in politics and actually WORKED for it in the US Senate

he's too premature ...on the trigger

and he would have made a great senator and even a great VP

while he may be a great ideal and a great symbol of progress in the dem nomniation..

he will be another big time name w/ a loss behind him..if the remaining pols and superdelegates go for him...

and put him up against the m man...
its a mistake...and everyone knows

HIllary is the more experienced and more intelligent and much more capable to appeal to the needed demographics in states like Ohio ...across every demographic except AA in Ohio...

its just that simple...and if you think this about racial politics

its isn't...its just the truth and the facts of what happened in Ohio and in other significant states like Florida, Tx, WVA and Pa

despite ALL the AAs and most of the students voting for O man

Hillary still convincingly won Ohio and Pa and simply crushed him in the other midwestern states...
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why would we consider anyone else?
she won NY NJ CALI AND FLORIDA AND
TENN AND ARK AND NEVADA AND NMEXICO AND THOSE KEY DEM SWING STATES THAT MATTER

WO IDAHO AND UTAH WILL NEVER BRING THD KIND OF ELECTORIAL WEIGHT THAT THESE DO FOR THE DEM NOMINEE this fall

and why don't we want to make sure we win this white house in teh fall

o man made a great symbolic run and did a great campaign...

now its time for real serious politics to get busy and win this thing for the fall

and Hillary is the serious and best contender to do this...just looking at the ONLY MATH THAT MATTERS

and that is the electorial college math and the big swing state math

Hillary CRUSHED o man in Ohio ...'

in every county except among AAs...

even among the surburban voters that every major media outlet and most people in oregon did NOT know about

....folks in ohio went for Hillary
were NOT JUST THE DUMB UNEDUCATED WHITE BOYS AS THE NATIONAL MEDIA AND INSIDERS SAY

Hil girl won across the state and even among major urban centers like Dayton and toledo and Youngstown

...i knew when she won across ALL the demographic lines her candidacy still was STILL VERY MUCH ALIVE

don't allow affirmative action delegate proportional methodology
to grant the nomination to a person as charismatic and historic as he may want to appear

to someone who will NOT win the major swing states

and i may add...wyoming, Idaho and
Utal and so many others he won in the early primaries WILL NOT MAKE UP THE LOSSES IN MAJOR SWING STATES LIKE OHIO PA AND FLORIDA AND ARKANSAS AND KY AND WVA

its not going to happen guys and girls

and proporional delegate math IS NOT FOLLOWED BY THE NATIONAL REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THE FALL

and it does not win the white house

Stripping voters of their votes is what will end the democratic party! Our constitution guarantees each of us the right to vote. Do people understand that republicans as well as democrats in these states voted to move the primary dates? REPUBLICANS!! This is not just an issue of and about dems. This is outright manipulation of an election which is a felony. I say every person who is not counted should file a lawsuit against the appropriate politicians. Class Action! Nixon and watergate, hanging chads, now states eliminated. What is being allowed?

hillary can win Ohio Pa and Florida and
Wva

and make tenn and arkansas very competitive along w/ Kentucky in the fall

...are you obama ites..taking too much pain meds these days ...since the overwhelming votes coming in for Hillary

in the biggest and most important swing states are CLEARLY choosing her over your new /old chicago politics?

....go figure..would would have known Ohio would have voted for hillary in 80 out of 84 counties

....that is...EVERY DEMOGRPAHIC GROUP IN THE ONE OF THE LARGEST STATES IN THE NATION WENT FIRST FOR HILLARY...a distant second to o man

...got electorial?

JEWS IN FLORIDA....DON'T BUY OBAMA'S SPEECH TODAY TO COURT YOUR VOTES. He wants to talk with leaders of Iran, please. Rev. Wright hates Jews....and Obama is Agnostic, not Christian. Hopefully they don't fall for his bs.

Geeze....now McCain is rejecting Hagee endorsement cause he is another religious nut job. Obama camp will use it, but not like Hagee married, prayed with, baptized kids, named book, mentored McCain. Hopefully America will see the difference and Obama camp don't EVEN try to compare a man McCain doesn't know to Uncle Wright.
Sorry, I know this is off subject, but McCain is my guy, if I can't have Hill.

I think you're wrong Spock. The DNC sent out notices (not Obama) that candiates names not on the ballot would not be voted and to register a vote, they should vote as uncommitteed. Instructing folks how to submit a vote and campainging for a coandiate are two very different things. Remember, there were many Candidates in january.. An uncommitted vote could be for any of them. Obama was just following the rules.

HoosierSue...dead on. Obama's early success in Red states, prior to Wright, Ayers, Michelle, bittergate are all he had to cling to. The NC black, and hippy liberal Oregon will matter not in Nov. Let's re vote in MI in Aug. when they are holding elections anyway. Man up Obama...you're fear to debate, to re-vote in MI reveals some real insecurities with a potential President. Not very pretty.

On May 31 is the DNC going to give Obama Michigan delegates that he did not earn?

dl argues that MI and FL shouldn't be counted because they reflect "uneducated" votes.

The truth is Obama has blocked re-voting because he's afraid of the results of a now "educated" vote ala Rev. Wright. As long as the results stand he can claim they are unfair because "they didn't know me". He isn't man enough to let them re-vote and face the results. Sad, sad, sad.

You go

MI will be harder the Florida, because BHO did campaign in Florida.

But also rumor has it the BHO sent out info in MI telling people to vote uncommitted and the votes will go to him!!

if so then he was on the ballot indirectly!!

there is a reason it is called a beauty contest.

but that doesn't matter to the people who want to say the voters voted and it was a correct voting situation...

yet in every other state we sayw huge swings toward Obama...coming close to tying or eventually winning the state after their was campaigning and voters saw them up close and personal.

There is a reason an election like this one wasn't supposed to count. States need to see (as the numbers show) a candidate up close and personal...because it is the only way someone who is a "celebrity" for years doesn't win on that name recognition solely.

The numbers don't lie...if people didn't meet obama in their state they would have voted the same way.

and for those who say Obama ran national commercials...

and Hillary, Bill and Chelsea got free national coverage and interviews.

The difference is made when a candidate comes to the state...as Hillary did the moment the vote was over and she needed it for herself.

She didn't care when it didn't effect her.

Michigan and Florida will be counted the way they should.

In every state they took their turn and watched their numbers as they met the candidates. In almost every single state the numbers were similar to Florida and Michigan before the candidates campaigned and they met them...you know when Hillary led with 20-30 point margins based on her being the woman that was their first lady for 8 ( some say 15 years)... but once the candidates actually went to those states and people saw them speaking up close and personal...and they actually got to hear there policies and stances on how this country should be run... voters ran significantly in the direction toward Obama.

The numbers don't lie...HUGE changes in the vote statistics between before they met the candidates and after...

Why should all the states be subjegated to an uneducated vote (because obviously the numbers don't lie) by two states who did not follow the rules that terry McAuliffe, Rendell, Ickes, and much of the Clinton campaign team had come up with...

The votes will be cut in half. That way they count but the rest of the country that voted is not hurt by the lack of meeting the actual candidates (besides their first lady) before they made some name recognition contest.

but isn't it funny ...Hillary Clinton wants an election to count where her name was the only one on the ballot toward a popular vote... one that she said and helped to decide (because no one had more input and influence on the structure of this campaign than the Hillary team and Hillary herself)...

It is vomit inducing that she fights only when it effects her...and not when it mattered to the voters.

Politics at it's worst.