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But this is America and a democracy. I have been watching everything and it seems the news and the candidates have counted Hilary out. The News does not report on Hilary to much anymore unless they can make a negative. (So Bias). What happen to report the news and not your personal opinions? The news is supposed to be bias and not persuade people’s opinions. Let the Primary's run its course! Every American that voted has the right for their vote count! Also the delegates should vote the voice of the people, not their opinion. Isn't that is why we have them? To vote the voice of the people.
If they don't count the 2 states, they should still consider the voice of the people. All the news channels need to stop taking what candidates say and twisting it to make controversy. This is American and I am proud to be here!
Let our system work the way it is suppose to .

Why is this even open for debate? It seems the majority of White women and Republicans don't have a problem with it. (lol) Do they ever? (lol)

Rezko verdict is on the horizon. I wonder how obama will spin that.

Here is Barack Obama's response (reported May 25th) to Hillary Clinton's "assassination" statement:

“I have learned that when you are campaigning for as many months as Senator Clinton and I have been campaigning, sometimes you get careless in terms of the statements that you make and I think that is what happened here. Senator Clinton says that she did not intend any offense by it and I will take her at her word on that”
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I think Barack Obama is more gracious and thoughtful in his response than I would have been. He is more willing to give the benefit of the doubt than I am, or than most people I have ever seen.

Even after all of Hillary's mean-spirited and untrue statements and statements that could be taken as threats, and her "Sniper-Gate" lies, Barack Obama is still willing to take her at her word, accept her "apology," and move on, even though she didn't even apologize to him.

You have to recognize that, at the very least, Barack Obama is showing a high-level of respect towards his opponent.

Senator Clinton's "apology" is no apology at all. It's just another exercise in blame-shifting. She would have us believe it's OUR fault for being shocked and upset by what she said. The fact is, this remark resonates because it really gives us insight into how Clinton's mind works. She cannot defeat Senator Obama by either fair means or foul. So there's a dark part of her mind that thinks about what it would be like if something removed her adversary from the stage.

Memo to Senator Obama: Do NOT select Hillary Clinton as a vice presidential candidate. If you do, you will have to spend the next four years watching your back every second!

rd said:

"You're out of your mind if you think anyone but a latte liberal or radical is going to vote for him [Obama]."
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My Response: Are you saying that all of the 16,685,941 Americans who have voted for Barack Obama are either "latte liberals" or "radicals"? (Wow, there must be an awful lot of those in the USA then!)

How exactly do you define "radical" or "latte liberal" anyway? And why do you feel the need to resort to the logical fallacy of "ad hominem" or "name-calling" and using generalizations?

Are you saying that none of those 16,685,941 Americans are hard-working white Democrats?

Mack said:

"I can see that some of Obama's supporters love him dearly, although it is irrational to believe that Hillary is capable of wishing for any harm to come to him."
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My Response: How is "irrational" to believe that Hillary is capable of wishing harm to come to Obama. How do you know what goes on in Hillary's mind. How do any of us know?

After all, some of her own friends or acquaintances have been quoted in the media saying that she is "capable" and "willing" to do ANYTHING to get elected.

The context seems clear here.
Her main statement is about her staying in the race this late, going into the month of june as normal, it already happened. She mentioned her husband whom she holds in high consideration which is only normal and Bob Kennedy who she surely holds in high consideration, giving his fight and as the outcome of it is his assassination.
She said " I just don't understand it... there is a lot of speculation about why it is, but uh..." .She mentions the words like "speculation", that she "don't know and don't want to attribute motives or strategies to people". She also talks about "historical curiosity".
She has been more bruised than BO during this primary season and her words speak more about her inability to understand what people strategies are.
The inexplicable nature of motives and strategies, and history with unexplained things is a curiosity.
I would think she is to that point more connected to her own situation, and that is a way to say a lot things happen in this world and she cannot explain motives and strategies.
That BO and his campaign jump on one statement, and quickly put pressure on her and pull all attention upon him, shows he is the polarizing figure.
Do you people want to live in a world where you don't have any space for freedom of thoughts and expressions, everything would be blamed on you if you don't follow the mainstream thinking?
Good luck America!

Thanks Alice, To my knowledge, noone at this point has the 2210 delegates to win the Democratic party nomination at this point including MI and FL. I do not see how either major candidate can complete this task before the convention in August. It is quite a presumption to assume the undecided delegates will go with the winner of the caucus delegates (Obama) over the winner of the elected delegates (Clinton) and the nationwide popular vote (Clinton). I believe the electoral college case for winning will be made in the coming weeks as I have done in a recent post. The polls will change I am sure, but it does not make any sense to nominate Obama if he is expected to lose the electoral college, while Clinton is expected to win it over McCain. It goes without saying that serious Democrats will support the nominee. What is important is to win in November. If Obama and Clinton were both well ahead of McCain in the electoral college, then sure why not Obama. The issue is, he is behind, and she is ahead. This is a serious issue, that Democrats need to turn our focus on during the coming weeks.

In 2004, Kerry received 251 electoral votes and lost because 270 are needed to win. I went to the RCP website and looked at all the polls for May of battleground states. Compared to 2004. Obama picks up IA, NM and CO, but loses MI, for a net gain of 4, giving him 255 electoral votes . So Obama is a GE loser at this point. Clinton picks up OH, FL, NV and NM, and ties in MO and MI. Winning all those, she gets 308 electoral votes and is a GE winner at this point. Winning OH, FL, NV and NM, but losing MO and MI, she gets 280 electoral votes and is still the winner. Personnaly, I think McCaskill is a good veep for her to carry MO, since Romney could garner MI for McCain, and we have to pick our veep before they pick theirs. May the best person win.

Sherry makes a good point about remembering what our ultimate goal is and uniting around the eventual winner. Only one point, the nominee is selectd based on the number of delegates won, so we'll be sure to unite around Senator Obama when the time comes, right?

Clinton's comment yesterday about the primary season historically extending into June was a good one. I do not see why some of the Obama supporters think this intelligent and highly moral woman would wish anyone, including Obama, any harm...There is no logic to it, since she did not refer to Obama in her comment, and she cited a second instance of a campaign extending into June, other than RFK's..

Lies...
Wrong,She was repeated this about Kennedy - the third time.
She could become the president! A real nightmare.

DNC changes the rule, not Hillary. Remember Howard Dean went on TV interview in April and said that he expected the delegates from FL amd MI to be seated. So, he changed the rule. The problem is: how can the delegates be seated if you don't count the votes from the primaries. You can't ratify half of the process, seating delegates, and not counting the votes? HRC just goes further and demand the votes to be counted.

Anders Cooper you said:

"I guess it's only a distraction if Obama says so."

When did Obama say so?

Is it just me or do make it a habit of making stuff up to justify your Obamaphobia?

These are reason I don't vote.
But if I decide to it's

HILLARY.

Clinton's poor judgement in mentioning Bobby Kennedy's assassination at this time disqualifies her do be president. The worst thing she said was at the end of her statement, "I just don't understand." You got that right Hillary. We have had 8 years of a president who does not understand things, we do not need you.

I don't buy the logic. In both the 1968 primaries and the 1992 primaries California cast its vote in June. Last I checked, the vote is already in.

I am so tired on this Kennedy thing ... sounded like anyone that he endorsed is going to be jinxed ...one way or the other

Clinton,
Killing some one or hoping that someone gets killed for you to become the president of the entire world is not worth it. Life has no price. If someone took away Bill Clinton's life or had such plans to take his life, then you will not be campaigning today for president. You have dug you own grave, you can peacefully get inside you grave and bury yourself.

No want has stop people from voting and no one should kill the other to get the nomination.
Its dissapointing. Its a disgrace to the Clintons.

The gaffe is one thing, the bigger problem is her lame apology, if you can even call it that. She has still not apologized to Obama, his wife and his children for discussing the possibility of his assassination in the campaign trail.

Add in 1968 and she cited cases where 4 out of the five elections the democrats lost!
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Yikes! I wonder if she realized that?

I see the same names on here defending her that went on and on about "bittergate" and "57 states". Pathetic.
Posted by: fivepin | May 24, 2008 10:45:33 AM
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Yes, they only feign outrage when it's something HE said taken out of context. But when she says something, they cry foul.

It's like this race should have one set of rules for Clinton and another for Obama.

Clinton could have used many other examples of long races that continued up until the convention. The 1968 race started March 12th and the 1992 race started Feb. 18th. Bill Clinton had the nomination wrapped up after he won the New York primary on April 7th, 1992. That RFK's own son would forgive her this, I don't understand. It wasn't even a good historical reference to a "hard fought" race, as he put it.

She said the same thing in a Time Magazine article last March. Obviously, they need to improve their readership. People pay much more attention to live streaming video on the Internet, unfortunately for her.

Jake, you previously wrote a post on why the 'Bill Clinton didn't have the nomination wrapped up until June' statement was misrepresented. Why don't you speak up instead of just doing a cut and paste of all the quotes!

I remember very well 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, where some who had contested in the primaries, you know, were determined to carry their case to the convention. I'm ahead in the popular vote.

Add in 1968 and she cited cases where 4 out of the five elections the democrats lost! It proves she is driving this to a hoped for loss!

People forget that Hillary mentioned this reference twice. Why blamed the media and Obama when she was the one who her mouth? It is her fault.
Posted by: Dana | May 24, 2008 10:03:30 AM
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Exactly! Obama didnt force her to say these things.

The Obama camp said the remarks were "unfortunate", they were.

The Obama camp said they have no place in this race, they don't.

What did the Obama camp say so wrong? The just stated the truth. Period.

Hillary supporters - It sure sucks when someone's comments are taken out of context doesn't it? Well that is unless it is something one of Hillary's opponents says.

And by the way, I don't think she meant anything malicious by her statements, but I see the same names on here defending her that went on and on about "bittergate" and "57 states". Pathetic.

the dem party that has vocally and tacitly suppoted bho, their affirmative action experiment, will make sure bho gets the nomination.
what they cannot assure, is how people will vote, and what the rep. will throw at him.

Mccain wins big-2008
bho gone from political scene-2008

IT SEEMS AS THOUGH MOST OF YOU HAVE GIVEN THE NOMINATION TO OBAMA WITHOUT ONCE DIGGING INTO THE THINGS THAT HAS SURFACED IN HIS PAST.BUT I GUESS THAT IS THE WAY YOU DO IT WHEN YOU ARE SUPPORTING SOME ONE WHO DOES NOT WARRANT BEING THE ONE WHO WOULD BE RIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY YOU CHASTISE HILLIARY IN EVERY WAY YOU CAN TO MAKE HER LOOK LIKE THE DRAGON LADY .WELL I HAD HEAP RATHER HAVE THE DRAGON LADY THAN TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO HAS A QUESTIONABL PAST BUT THEN AGAIN HE IS ABOVE BEING QUESTIONED WELL IM CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR HIM IF HE IS THE NOMINEE

People forget that Hillary mentioned this reference twice. Why blamed the media and Obama when she was the one who her mouth? It is her fault.

In this matter there has been one (mild) statement from someone in the Obama camp and a disavowal from Axelrod himself that Clinton really meant what she said. Yet poeple are blaming the Obama camp for the flak Hillary's receiving. They've said nothing that can be remotely compared to what other analysts and commentators have said/are saying. She put her foot in it, quite simply. It wasn't the first time she menitoned assassination, when she didn't have to! She could have said (here) simply: "when Bobby Kennedy was running..." The really odd thing is the association of this long campaign with assassination. Psychoanalysts should have a field day.

I heard the statements to,but you know it was STUPID of her but the messgae is out there now, taking into the number of Clinton associates that are now dead due to there years in the eye of politics I woud not put a thing past this evil wench...She is a sickooooooooo that has been told you LOST.She can't be told by anyone she is finished,The Clinton name will be worth nothing after this mess is over,I PITY her.She need help...........

After seeing the clip several times I can tell you that as soon as she said it she realized she had messed up. WHY she didn't immediately go back and correct her really bad error in judgment is one of things I dislike about Hillary. She has the same "never admit you made a mistake" attitude that I have seen in the Bush administration. No one is perfect, even presidential candidates and she needs to do some major apologizing for this one. She was way out of line. And you Hillary supporters should continue your support, but get a grip and admit that she really screwed up here regardless of what her intentions were. Let's try to be honest.

No question - she is waiting for sort of ocasion like that.
Or...

somebody works hard to make it happen.
Obama should increase security ASAP.
It always dirt around clintons.
ALWAYS.

If the media and the Obama supporters are so sure that Hillary wants to assassinate Obama, well file a complaint, have the police arrest her that is all.

This constant belly aching every day over the most silly things is getting disgusting, I have watch talk show host night after night make fun of Hillary and McCain.

The clips are shown all over the net and on MSM daily, no one has a problem with it, its not offensive or damaging every one has a good laugh or understand what is being said.

Play or say one line about Obama and all hell break loose, seems to be like freedom of speech or expression is going out the window, everyone has to watch what they say now.

It is strange that people never know of how great life is, or enjoy the freedoms they have until its taken away, be careful what you wish for people you may not like what you get in the end.

So let's take Clinton's comment the way she claims to mean it. Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California BECAUSE THE CALIFORNIA PRIMARY WAS HELD IN JUNE. The election calendar was far different then. Her comment was technically accurate, but another example of the Clintons' self-serving "logic" -- twist the facts and select an irrelevant few to make your case, no matter the consequences to the Democratic party. (When that doesn't work, just lie about it.)

I don't like being taken for dumb.

The Obama camp is so very, very, worried. They have tried from DAY ONE to get rid of HILLARY!
Wow are they pissssed... can NOT close the deal!
She is strong, he is weak!
She has the tenacious support of many!
She has thwarted the DNC in their quest to bury her!
She is never going to give up!
She has our votes and support.
They want to push her out, they are afraid!
OBAMA is never going to win the GE NEVER! WE will NEVER vote for pastor wrights politician! They pollute our world.

Posted by: geno | May 24, 2008 8:06:56 AM

sorry, geno, no fear here, just disgust with the party giving him the political affirmative action ride to the nomination. He only won due to the black vote...90% blacks in the primary is hard to beat...the ge will be a whole new game..the rep. will eat him up and spit himout...

This new news fiasco only helps HILLARY.
The more Hillary is derided the more resolve to never ever vote for OBAMA.
NEVER OBAMA. ANYONE BUT OBAMA!

ANYONE! OBAMA IS A FAKE AND A FRAUD!

makes you wonder if Obama knows he NEEDS the clinton voters, not the other way around

for years the black vote voted over 90% democratic, the democtratics always can depend on the black vote, if Hillary get the nominee, Blacks will not vote and they will not vote for Hillary, the dems will only get about 30% of the regist black voters, we keep the dems close with republicans in blue states

Mark - stop blaming the "Obama campaign" for Hillary's gaffes. And gaffe is putting it lightly compared to all the motives being assigned (not by the Obama campaign - which has not cast any motives whatsoever).

The comment was stupid at best - especially coming twice. She could have said "RFK was running in June". Instead, she keeps mentioning "assassination" during a presidential campaign. Not smart and possibly irresponsible given the wackos out there. This is her whirlwind. If you don't want to blame Hillary then blame her advisers - I see this phrase coming from that cynical lot.

geno-you have lost your mind! the party votes split almost 50-50. No way bho can win without hillary supporters. he is the ranked tghe most liberal senator in congress. do not expect a big influx of republicans to save him in the ge. the black vote(90%) is what put him over the edge, and it is a given vote for dems...dream on.

HILLARY VOTERS ARE NOT NEEDED, Obama will do just find, If she steals this i would vote for Mcain

The treatement of Hillary Clinton is nothing short of scandalous. I truly hope the voters see this for what it is: a completely unwarranted public savaging.

Shame on the Obama campaign & shame on the media.

Posted by: Melanie | May 24, 2008 7:19:47 AM

it is the influx of "new" voters bho has brought to the party. nice bunch aren't they. nothing says third party to me more than listening to these bho people. would love to see hillary go independent. she would get her own supporters and the regan democrats...it would be sweet.

Posted by: Linda | May 24, 2008 6:37:05 AM

as a hillary supporter, i do not want her as his vp if he is the nominee. and i am a life long democrat who will vote mccain.

HRC just committed political suicide,
no way should she be considered for VP.
It's over baby !
Republican Mom of 3 whose family will be voting for Obama.

You know what, Texas, maybe that's why I am a Hillary supporter, is because I heard her statements and I understood exactly what she was talking about and took them exactly the same way she said she meant them.

And I'm sure that's why all of Obama's supporters are reading everything into this that wasn't actually said. They don't understand her because they worship someone else.

I know that I certainly don't hear in what Obama says the wonderful and inspiring messages that has everyone else so entranced.

I really don't know what it is about these two candidates that has Democrats so completely divided down the middle between them. My thought is this, and I'm sure everyone will READ something into this that I'm not actually meaning, but maybe it is because the two front runners left standing in the battle are a woman and an African-American.

So instead of being the Democratic Party's most shining moment, by bringing a member each from these two long-standing minority groups in this country to the brink of history, it appears to be on the brink of causing its demise.

Maybe that's why the supporters for both are so loyal to each: both are members of groups that have been oppressed in one way or another by our society for so long that neither side is willing to let go of the opportunity to see their candidate rise to where no one of either group has gone before.

I only know that Obama's supporters are going to hear what you hear in what she said, and continue to use it against her in an attempt to get her out of the race once and for all. And Hillary's supporters are going to see it as another cheap attempt by Obama's supporters to discredit her, and will continue to support her as if nothing ever happened (and to us, NOTHING did).

Which leaves us all back in square one.

SandyB, BHO dissed the preacher if I remember (W)right, and it's obvious if the preacher had been ranting about 'godamm' American for what, 20 years? surely should be a longer tape. Notheless I agree it was a dump thing to do what Wright did and BHO should have taken steps much earlier. As for holding hand-over-chest, wow, that horse surely has taken a flogging! Does HRC delibertaly lying about the carelessness of the US Military in Bosnia (if there was a sniper that implies carelessness, no?) count as unpatriotic?

You know, Texas, maybe that's why I am a Hillary supporter: because I heard her statements, and I understood exactly what she was saying.

And probably the reason they came across to you the way they did is because you are not a supporter of hers, and you guys hear what you want to hear.

It's VERY obvious to me that all Obama supporters see and hear different things in what HE says than what I do.

I really don't know what it is about these two candidates this year that have Democrats so divided. My thought is this, and I'm sure everyone will take this statement the WRONG way, but maybe it is because the two front runners are a woman and an African-American. And instead of being the party's most shining moment by elevating members of these two minority groups to such a level, it ends up being its downfall because members of both groups have been oppressed in one way or another for so long that neither one wants to let it go.

And for that reason, Obama supporters will see this as you do, a fatal blow to Hillary, while Hillary's faithful will see it as another example of Obama's people humiliating and attempting once again to ruin their candidate and push her out of the race.

It is really sad that this seems to be the real reason that she insists staying on when things do not add up.

Power can corrupt utterly and it seems that it has really gotten to the Clintons who will stop at NOTHING(!?!?)

Anybody who is educated enough to recognise the name 'Freud' will see that this was one of those Freudian slips whereby her real reason to stay in the losing race was revealed.

She should be very careful in what she is wishing for because, should that become reality, Hillary Clinton will no doubt become the number one suspect by proxy in the minds of the billions in the world. The right thinking part of the world has no doubt what she is capable of. The mysterious suicide of Vincent Foster could be a good starting point.

William,

The problem with your answer is that everybody already knows and has already seen everything "bad" about Bill Clinton. And even with that, half of the Democrats in this country have still supported his wife in this primary election.

I can only wonder if the half that now support Obama would still be falling in line if the Michelle Obama tape is released.

I doubt if Bill's "Sex and Lies" will hold a candle to Michelle's "Videotape."

And the "flag pin" omission is just the tip of his unpatriotic iceberg. Have you seen the video of him standing on the stage with all of the other Democratic contenders during the playing of our National Anthem and he is the only one who doesn't have his hand over his heart? And not to mention all of the charming unpatriotic rantings of his preacher in the pulpit which he sat and listened to voluntarily for 20 years. Reverend Wright's former military service might be commendable, but former service in the military does not give ANYONE a free pass to say the things he has said.

SandyB - Your argument is a little too close to "it depends on what your definition of is, is..."

Again, there is NO way to spin this. She said it, not a surrogate. It's on video. It's her, and she said it.

I understand your admiration for her. I respect it more than you know. But you HAVE to know this statement is politically fatal. You HAVE to know it.

But Texas, what is the "this" you're referring to that can't be spun and can't be gotten away from, and that everyone should be so offended by?

All she said in her statement to the press today was that the race wasn't over yet, that many campaigns had lasted into June before they were decided, like her husband's did in 1992, and that certainly people would remember that Bobby Kennedy was still campaigning in JUNE in his PRIMARY at the time he was assassinated. It was said in the same breath as the discussion about her husband's primary campaign ending in June 1992. There is no mention of Obama anywhere.

You guys are carrying on as if she had said: "Gee, maybe if I hang around in the race until June I'll win if Obama gets assassinated like Bobby did." I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but she didn't say ANYTHING even REMOTELY close to this! How you guys are reading such a meaning into this is beyond me.

This is just more of Obama pushing his way into statements everybody makes just like the other day when President Bush made his speech in Israel and Obama took such offense by what Bush said when Bush never brought him up either.

Senator Clinton is the one who should be offended for everyone twisting her words to such an extent and for accusing her of saying things she didn't say. She might even have a good slander suit to pursue with some of the things people are saying about her tonight.

She is planning to do it. "I will never give up...I will never quit...I will be the next President of America...Nothing will stop me...John Edwards will endorse me." "the depth of wickedness is never understood by the ordinary human mind."

Mack -You may like her, but you can't stand by that statement.

It's so bad that I believe she won't keep her seat in the Senate.

Wrong, am I? Remember, she is in Bobby Kennedy's seat. Talk about justice.

I actually think that, so long as unspoken, the potential tragic turn was a legitimate reason for HRC to stay in. However, to actively voice that to the press on the heels of some of the racially charged insinuations she has made recently is the absolute height of irresponsibility and reckless behavior. This is far more reckless than Bill's sexual behavior. Her comments just might incite a nutjob supporter to try something. Some of the other posters have said it quite well---not much could be less 'presidential'.

I can see that some of Obama's supporters love him dearly, although it is irrational to believe that Hillary is capable of wishing for any harm to come to him.

Look Sandy B, I cannot let this one go. It's one thing to say I have a better health plan therefore I should be your nominee, it's entirely another to invoke one of the most painful chapters in American History as the only reason you're hanging around a hopeless campaign.

Again, she said it, not surrogates. You cannot spin this, you cannot get away from this.

This is so offensive I have to wonder about people that DON'T find it offensive. It's THAT bad.

That's right, Mack. Change the subject. Don't acknowledge what you already know.

You have no answer for me. You have no answer for yourself.

My post was WAY too close, wasn't it?

The Obama supporters are becoming more nasty every day because they know that she is ahead in popular votes and elector votes. He is ahead in the superdelegates because he bought them with a $20 Million pledge to help them get elected again. Senator Obama is a left-wing radical and extremist who will say and do anything to get elected. He has ruined the Democratic Party. He spews empty rhetric and cheap talk. His distortions are unbelievable.

Most Americans don't care about Obama and helping him to realize his dreams of making history. Change, hope, yes we can...blah...blah..blah. Empty rhetoric and feel good slogans don't cut it. He claims to be a uniter when he has done absolutely nothing to live up to that moniker. We need someone that is qualified for the position, and he isn't.

Mack - I stand by that statement. Do Hillary and you stand by hers?

Call me stupid. Call me idiotic. I can take it.

If you still stand by someone that advocates an assassination just so she can be elected, you are SCUM.

There is NO gray area here. Either you advocate political murder, or you don't. There is no middle ground.

Davis,
With all due respect, HRC and BHO and much everyone else has drawn historical examples from time to time. Why you take offense really is beyond me. The real idiots are the maniacal supporters who can misinterpet HRC's statements. Like a signal. I am afrad of that!!

"If you still back Hillary, you endorse political murder as a means of advancement." Congratulations. That is probably the most ridiculous statement that I've read so far.

Look, I don't like her. I don't trust her motives, I don't like her stances on the
issues and I believe she is fit to be President the same way I believe Robin Givens is fit to be Heavyweight Champion of the World.

But objectively, you have to know she is done politically. I'm not talking about this election. This goes much, much deeper. She will never get away from this statement. Never.

For the first time in American political history, a candidate stated the only reason she was still involved in the process even though she had no chance of winning was the fact she was hoping the front runner would be murdered.

That is FACT. This is not a surrogate off the reservation that the campaign can disavow. This isn't Billy Boy beating up an old lady at a Photo Op just because he didn't like the look of her face. This is Hillary herself, in full Technicolor, saying into the camera that she is hinging a $230 million presidential campaign on the hope the candidate in front of her is brutally murdered like Bobby Kennedy.

These facts are not in dispute. She said them. The video has now gone around the world. You cannot hide from it now, you cannot claim ignorance from it.

If you still back Hillary, you endorse political murder as a means of advancement.

No gray area here. No spin required. In or out. If you still back her, you back murder.

Simple as that.

Far left = no whitehouse. Wake up.

A lesson from history?

Becket came back to England but he still would not allow the priests to be put on trial. He also excommunicated some of the priests who supported the King. This made Henry very angry and he shouted, 'Who will rid me of this priest ?'

Four knights had been listening at the door they thought the king wanted Thomas Becket killed so they went to Canterbury Cathedral where Thomas was praying. There in the Cathedral on 29th December 1170 they murdered Thomas Becket.

Thomas Becket

Thomas Becket was the best friend of Henry II who was king of England. Thomas and Henry did everything together, they went hunting, riding and feasting.

Henry had a problem. He wanted to change the law. At the time any ordinary person who committed a crime such as murder would go on trial and could be sentenced to death. But if you were a priest all you had to say was, 'I am innocent', and you would go free. Henry wanted the priests to go on trial but the Pope would not let this happen.

Henry made his friend Thomas Becket, Archbishop of Canterbury, hoping that Thomas would change the law, but Thomas wouldn't . Henry and Thomas had a big argument and Becket ran away to France. Henry went to France to make peace because he still wanted to be friends with Thomas.

Becket came back to England but he still would not allow the priests to be put on trial. He also excommunicated some of the priests who supported the King. This made Henry very angry and he shouted, 'Who will rid me of this priest ?'

Four knights had been listening at the door they thought the king wanted Thomas Becket killed so they went to Canterbury Cathedral where Thomas was praying. There in the Cathedral on 29th December 1170 they murdered Thomas Becket.

Henry was very sad when he heard what had happened he did not blame the knights he blamed himself. To show how sad he was , he walked barefoot though Canterbury while some monks whipped his back. Thomas Becket was made a saint and the priests were still not put on trial.

Hey Texas

I did not compare Hillary to Princess Di.

I merely said that the media during this presidential primary race have conducted themselves in an unprofessional manner by their non-objective reporting, and in that respect, have behaved no better than paparrazi (whom most truly professional journalists disdain) who chase celebrities around for a blessed buck. And if they aren't careful, they (as well as the rest of us here in this country)might have to live with the results of their unprofessional actions for the next four or eight years.

You, as well as your candidate and the media, are making a mountain out of a molehill regarding the statements made by Senator Clinton about RFK. But I'm certain that you didn't find anything wrong with Obama's "bitter" remarks, or felt that they offended anyone in the slightest. Did you??????????????????

@USMarine,

If you are not going to vote for Obama due to his lefties relationships...

Then you should not vote for Clinton whose husband freed Obama's lefties relationships...

And you will not vote for CAIN since Bush's friends are the Saudi terrorists including the Bin Laden family (with whom the Bushes have had a long term friendship)...

So basically you do not have many options...except for the fact that
Obama's lefties relationships are just that...he did not freed them nor has a long term friendship with them.

Delusional. Obama will not be elected. Seek help before its too late.

SandyB - Let me get this straight. You are comparing Hillary to Princes Di? Really?

You know what? I don't know what you mean. You also know what else? I don't care.

Your candidate committed political suicide tonight. Any other night I would simply deride your shallow choice. But the fact that she invoked Bobby Kennedy's assassination as a reason to stay in a race she has no chance of winning makes me ill. Your choice to still back her puzzles me.

I am ill just thinking of her motives. What do you feel?

I think Hillary is driving herself out of the race. I was ready to vote for her after PA if things turned out. She took command of a dire situation. Then, it seems like since around the time she started changing how to win I got the sense she has been taking guidance from her old-school advisers again. Whenever she gets away from that - like NH - she's fine. Now, with this guidance, it's only making it more challenging for her politically. She prob. did not have bad motives today - but that was a not-smart statement to make in the midst of a presidential election. Since she said it twice this year - I am thinking it was something given to her by one of her advisers.

Whatever happens - Hillary needs to start over with a whole new staff.