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I think everyone now knows that whites are not racist. They make-up nearly 74% of the U.S. population. Blacks are 12%.
and Hispanics are 14%. Hispanics will not vote for Blacks, yet Obama continues his march torward the democratic nomination. That means the
majority of whites are voting for Obama.

Well, Mr. Coates: thanks for playing. But you've got a hard sale here.

When one group of voters is voting for a candidate you usually look at demographics: age, income, education, gender, geography---
African Americans of all ages, incomes, levels of education, gender and geography support Senator Obama---there's practically no other political example like it--and that leaves one criterion: RACE.
Lastly, for all the pundits that claim Clinton supporters are racists--maybe you should consider: BEFORE Rev. WRIGHT, Obama WAS pulling the white vote--After, ...not so much.

So, who is the racist? The ones who won't vote for someone who listened to hate speech--or the one who listened and SUPPORTED (to the tune of $22K) hate speec??.

Obama and Wright are the racists; not the people voting against him.

Posted by: Ken: "I could see if Obama had completed 6 years in the senate but he only had 1 year completed before he announced. Would Kennedy or anyone else have endorsed a white candidate with 1 year experience in the senate. Obama is a myth."

Obama's time in the senate was spent recruiting corporate bundlers and billionaire fundraisers for his Presidential campaign. Some experience.

I do believe Kennedy and others would still have endorsed a white candidate with the same experience if they saw in him the same weakness they quickly identified in Senator Obama that would make him easier to manipulate.

Are you really Hillary supporters - yeah, millions of us will vote McCain because when people vote, it's not always for policy, because we all know so much of what is promised is never produced...whether it's gas tax, health care, quick exit Iraq, or whatever. AMERICANS VOTE WITH THEIR HEARTS AND HEADS AND PATRIOTISM first and foremost. Why would anyone be given this most important job without THEIR DESERVING IT?
I am a registered Republican, supporting Hillary, will vote McCain because she is being shut out of this race by the superdelegates.

I believe the reason many black people are supporting Obama is because he is someone who will represent their interests (i.e, Democrat) AND as a sense of pride in the accomplishment in someone of their own race. Being Italian American I see no difference in this than if I supported, for example, Mario Cuomo because I support his ideas AND I am proud of him as a fellow Italian-American. I also see this as no different as women voting for Hillary because they are proud of her as a woman. It is simply part of the dynamic of making a choice and I personally have no problem with it. On the other hand, I do have a problem with folks who state they will not vote for Obama because he is black, Hillary because she is a woman, or McCain because he is too old.

"Blacks have been voting for whites for president since they've gotten the vote. There is no question about black people's ability to vote for a white man for president."

That is true, but so what?

The issue is why are over 90% of Democratic black voters casting their ballots for Obama?

When the percentage goes over 90, its hard to argue that a particular demographic segment is voting based on race.

This is no more "racist" than 60 percent of lower and middle class whites rejecting Obama in favor of Hillary Clinton, and if "racism" was driving this vote, then one would expect to be a higher percentage of this demographic group going for Clinton. Moreover, it may simply be that Clinton better represents the hopes, dreams and asperations of this sub-group.

The constant rush to accuse Hillary Clinton and her supporters of playing the "race card"--but not the reverse when Obama's supporters racially pander--is troubling and unfair.

Doug - interesting point but if the White vote stays home or goes for McCain , Obama will be done, he can not win with only the Black vote!!

Liberals have enslaved the Black man again - They do not allow freedom of their choice, if they do not vote Democrat then they criticized and attacked!

Definition of Racism in Politics - voting for someone because of their race is Racism no matter what!!

What other reason are they voting for Obama, he has no substance, no experience, is anti American and so forth.

Obama likes playing the Race Card!!

Hillary has no one to blame for the "black" backlash but her own husband. He insulted the black vote with his ignorant comments in S.C. I guaranteed if he would have insulted another group in the same manner the result would be the same. Before S.C. Hillary WAS winning the black vote big time, so if blacks were voting based on racial idenity Obama would have carried the black vote from the very beginning, right? BTW blacks only make up 11% of the voting population but Obama leads in the popular vote and pledge delegate count, so this magnification of ethnic voting is a ploy by MSM to create another sensationalized story.

all the people who say the Black vote is not racist are either too blind to see the truth or are fooling themselves...I am tired of this coward country.....when a white man support another white person, you guys called him racist , but when a black person support another Black man simply because of his SAME SKIN color , somehow THAT is NOT racist???? Come on , the Heck with this double standard politically correct stuffs of the Ultra-Liberal crowd... this is America , have the courage to call RACISM for what it is ...If black people do not want to be discriminated against ,if they want to be respected , they need to have the courage to Call RACISM when they see it ....Spin it all you want , but the numbers speak for itself....How could it be that the Clintons , who has always been touted by the majority of the Black community as ones who have done good things for the Black community failed to garner even 10% of the BLACK votes ???? Do you think this could ever be possible if their opponent is someone who have the same qualities as Obama but DIFFERENT SKIN COLOR ???? Answer the Question truthfully and you will see...If any other ethnic group with the same talents as Obama and is not black , the Clintons will definitely get at least 50% of the votes ( from those whose may not be inspired by their speeches but at least remember the good they done in the past )...If Obama is not black , Does anyone honestly think that he can get over 90% of the BLack votes ???? We are not short of inspiring men in the history of this country , but anyone care to tell me of another candidate who has got that much vote from one ethnic group???? ....Plus ..why is it that only Blacks see that much good in Obama (over 90%) and nobody else does?????.... the truth is , we sometimes truly have inspiring candidate that have the ability to cross over racial barrier , over gender barrier , over class barrier...and no doubt such a candidate will inspire people from different background to vote for him , but the vote although in the majority , will not be over 75 % of the total from that group ...why??because as human beings, we do not always think alike ,so if judging on purely qualities and issues , it is natural that a portion of us will disagree with the other , UNLESS , people vote not on qualities and issues but on COLOR OF THE SKIN then we will see this kind of lopsided support , why , because in such case , people are blind , they do not think in such case....that is why the black people sufferred greatly back then , because back then , they were mostly judged by their skin color and thus be discriminated against ....Too bad....Now it is their turn to apply it to someone else , although in less violent form , it is still racism because just like what it was then , now ,the judgement is still based primarily in the color of the skin.....I have to give the white people credit , they have come a loooong way ...In some state , Obama got as much as 60% of the white vote...ofcourse there are people who see the inspiration in him, but to say that in all the places that they campaigned , less than 10% of the blacks see anything good in what the Clintons saying ( despite their achievements in the past ) is JUST DEFIED LOGIC .....If it quacks like a Duck, walks like a Duck , swims like a duck...it must be a duck..... the one who cry wolf IS NOT ALWAYS the victim ....I hope the black people see this soon enough......God helps America...

Posted by: jld1959 | May 13, 2008 5:44:18 AM

actually, about half the dems do agree with me, and, by the way, i am as important as you and everyone else...one vote...

re: rtt

I have the distict impression that you are not for Sen Obama. That is your right to have your opinions. However be clear in your motivations and reasons for not supporting Sen Obama. Thankfully most Americans do not share your unjust views, and will not be swayed by the divisive politics that you aspire to. When you stop feeling bitter and hatefull, then you will have hope. Also don't take yourself to serious, you are not that important!

Obama 08

Who guess here, that coctail party under that sniper fire is kind of experience, that matters?

In fact - she does not have ANY other.
Except her age and menapause stage.

oh, also plus lawsuit , that waits until after she will finish this election circus.

Posted by: jld1959 | May 13, 2008 4:31:43 AM

nice sntiments, but 90% of a voting do not vote the same way because they analyzed a situation and all made the same decision. if you look at many of the exit polls, a whole bunch of blacks said they voted bho because he was black.
is he the best man for the job...no way. he has no experience except a stint in the state senate and 3 years in the us senate, 1 1/2 in which he has been running for president. he is chairman of a committee he has NEVER convened. he votes "present" instead of taking a stand on an issue. he has very questionable ties with radicals and known terrorists: wright, rezko, auchi,el-hady, ayers/dorhn, etc..
the list goes on. all he is able to do is talk a good game and apparently, instill hope.
well hope is a feeling, not action.

Less than 10% of the votes nationwide were from black voters, and they are not a majority of voters in any state or territory. That means the other 90% is from voters of different ethnicity and cultures. Barrack Obama is receiving votes from Americans of all races, religion and genders. Blacks have traditionally voted heavily for Democratthe past decades, also in the same percental as they are voting for Obama. I think the Black voters are also enthused be Sen Obama's message of Change, We are enthused that perhaps America will get a little closer to it's creed. One in which the ideas of Life, liberty and the pursuit of Happiness is guaranteed for every American. We are very concerned about the issues of Healthcare reform, Energy,
Enviroment, trade defecit, ending the war in Iraq and foreign policy among a host of other issues. Yes, there is pride in the fact that maybe America is ready to allow everyone of it's citizens the honor to serve in the nattions highest office. He is winning the nomination because he is the right man, to place America back on the road to prosperity and not because he is half black. Life is not alwaays black and white!

Its our country that made Obama a blackman. In the U.S if you have only 4% black blood, you are a black man. No where in the World would you find such. The whites will call you black and the blacks will say you aint black enough as if it is a crime for your heitage to be mixed. Until we purge ourselves, there will always be a tinge of color in the way we see things. There may never be justice without prejudice.

"We are the party of the people, the coal miner, the waitress, the truck driver. We don't need any elitists in our party. Therefore I am going to loan my campaign another 6.4 million in addition to the 5 million I've already lent them. After all, this is supposed to be the party of the working man and woman"

Ok. Once John McCain becomes President of the United States I'm wondering how as a nation will deal the war.

It's apparent that Obama cannot win the GE because Hillary supporters will defect from the DNC (not vote) or worse vote for McCain. So this means business as usual. Are we ready to remain in Iraq (see below) This is from John McCains website.

"A greater military commitment now is necessary if we are to achieve long-term success in Iraq. John McCain agrees with retired Army General Jack Keane that there are simply not enough American forces in Iraq. More troops are necessary to clear and hold insurgent strongholds; to provide security for rebuilding local institutions and economies; to halt sectarian violence in Baghdad and disarm Sunni and Shia militias; to dismantle al Qaeda; to train the Iraqi Army; and to embed American personnel in Iraqi police units. Accomplishing each of these goals will require more troops and is a crucial prerequisite for needed economic and political development in the country. America's ultimate strategy is to give Iraqis the capabilities to govern and secure their own country." I guess we stay.

My next concern is Sen. McCains health care plan. $2500.00 tax credit for single people and $$5000.00 for families. My only concern is the average health care policy costs about $12,000.00. So after receiving the tax cut you have to come up with the rest. This only applies to the 50 million people who don't have coverage.

Nothing changes for me, how about you?

Clinton was guiltless if only because he's been a politician for decades.... and he has never been called dumb!

Think about it!

The only one benefitted from racism has been Obama.

And speaking o him:

How come he was always too busy to honor either the birth and/or the death of Martin Luther King?

The Clintons were able to make the ceremonies both times, and I think Mccain was there as well.

And how come he "dissed" Tavis Smiley's special show? Hillary managed to show up for that one, too.

How come he took money from Rezko which had been earmarked to pay the heating bills for Obama's constituents during Chicago's Frigid winters/

How come, when it came to his pastor who was supposedly like an uncle to him
B O rescued him while throwing his grandmother under the bus in the "flag_race speech"... and then threw him under the bus with his typical white grandma who was afraid of black men in the other?

Is he really that two-faced? Did he pull those stunts solely for the publicity?

Is he really a namby pamby whiner?

I can see you wanting to have a black man for president. And one day that will happen.

But when we DO get a black male Hillary he'll be someone EVERYONE will want because not only will he be the color of YOUR choice, but he will also be the
sharpest, ablest, most patriotic champion native son our country will have.

As for now, my vote goes to Hillary.
She can do the best job for our country at this time.

I approve of this message!

WEST VIRGINIA AND KENTUCKY

THE TARNISHED PRESS has proven that it's broken.

Although this race is far from over, the media has been playing "taps" for HIllary ever since B O won North Carolina last week.

They choose not to remember that on that very same day, Hillary won Indiana, and that the week before, Hillary won Pennsylvania!

They choose not to tell you that 31,000 votes "FOR OBAMA" were Double counted in North Carolina.... not that it would have made a difference.

They choose not to tell you that 92 percent of black voters pledged for B O in North Carolina... or that 91 percent of black voters in Philadelphia followed the same pattern.

They don't want this to be played up because Obama's followers feel that telling the truth.... is racist.

But it IS appropriate to talk about the little blue dress and sling noxious. venomous off*topics slander at Hillary whenever they want because what THEY'RE doing... is not racist.... just cruel, arrogant, childish.

We all know that Hillary is the better, more seasoned, wiser candidate.

We have watched during the early debates how Obama's plans always mimicked hers. We have watched during the last debate, as Obama, with no one to imitate,appeared literally to be without words!

Hillary, as usual was unflustered and incredible in the depth and knowledge of her reponses.

The press disremembers too many of her achievements.... like procuring health care for 6,000,000 children.

Like bringing to the table a truly UNIVERSAL health care package which even Mrs. John Edwards has praised.

Don't let the brash Barack and the myopic media win.

Hillary needs your help!

She needs your vote!

She won't let you down.

Please don't let HER down!

Thank you, and G-d Bless!

What I can't figure out is the Black columnists that are liberal, affluent, and educated that want to make it look like that whole 96% is voting the issues, not the color of the skin.
Useless.
MOST of the Blacks I have talked to are not shy in saying that they are voting because it's a black man.
So why do they need excuses from the "Elitists", black or otherwise for their actions, especially when it's not true?

It's a fact, live with it.

irma, i agree with you. i was undecided at the beginning, and i merely raised a question about obama and was attacked. another black person told me she couldnt be objective in this election. stunning. i have worked on civil rights and liberal causes my entire professional life, but simply questioning obama makes me suspicious. corporate blacks like oprah, however, get a free pass. what a joke.

Well Obama and his surrogates like Jesse Jackson Jr. have pushed his race as a reason for blacks to vote for him because they will be to blame if Obama does not win the nomination. As a black person, believe me the pressure to vote black in this campaign is something I have never experienced in past elections. I blame Obama's tactics for that, not white people. So please....

don't know why my earlier post was deleted, but i'll try again...

"gammaraygus, thats because there was not any creditable black candidates running in elections of the past."

and whom decides whom is credible? the voters do. and last time i checked, voters both black and white and those in between have indicated that obama is not only credible but he could actually win it. and with that i'm out folks. peace be unto all of you!

stunning the way the censors work on here. my post is relevant and not racist! I am black and I can certainly state that blacks become foolishly intolerant of dissent with respect to Obama. There is an article in the Wash. Post today on the subject of blacks "protecting" Obama and the fallout it has caused. So stop censoring honesty, please. When people like Tavis Smiley have to defend their black "credentials," but Obama does not, we have a PROBLEM. This is far more important than what label we place around black bloc votes for Obama.

Don't care how they spin it. Black or white: if your sole reason for voting for someone is because of their race, then you're a racist.

That applies not only to blacks, but to whites or anyone else who votes for Obama primarily because they want to see a black man in power.

Similarly, if you're only voting against Obama because he identifies himself as a black man, then you're equally racist.

The determining factor is not the race of the voter, but the way the voter views the candidate. Race blindness -- not taking race into account whatsoever -- is the only way to "transcend" race, as Obama supposedly wants to do.

Now let's see Obama actually do it. E.g., I don't want to hear another word about his racial heritage come out of his mouth. If he does, he's playing his race(s) for advantage and contradicting his own "transcendent" rhetoric. And that's what he's done to this point, which is why I highly doubt I'll vote for Obama. It's the hypocrisy, stupid.

gammaraygus, thats because there was not any creditable black candidates running in elections of the past.

Americans should all come together and elect a woman, Hillary!

"As I recall a black was not running against Bill Clinton."

wow. okay i'll go here. blacks have voted at those same rates when Shirley Chisolm, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Alan Keyes respectively ran for president. from an historical perspective and fact it doesn't matter, blacks folks have voted at those rates for the white male candidate regardless of whom was in the race with them. whether they be a "black" or not. i like the attempt at a comeback tho'..."a" for effort.

As I recall a black was not running against Bill Clinton.

Obama is the nominee/ millions of scorned women will flock to the polls for revenge/ Hillary's gonna fuss and scream till eyes bleed/ McCain will be the big winner in the end/ Rush is gonna gloat and take credit for manipulating women/ Hannity's gonna keep on telling us we're all good Americans except McCain / Lou Dobbs is gonna keep on saying "what on earth were they thinking"/ Bill Clinton speech money will really start rolling in/ the Iraq war will never end/ more wars will be waged and authorized/ no more tax cuts or tax roll backs/ our poor US education will continue unfunded/ oil company execs will celebrate/ Bush-anomics will continue under McCain/ more conservative supreme court judges will be appointed for decades to come/ no health care reform in our lifetimes/ the economy goes down the tank./ what a country.

Obama is smoke and mirrows. He is friends of many shady characters such as Rezco, Ayers, Rev Wright and his church and the Larry Sinclair story is still pending. He is an eletist who is out of touch with working people and thinks they are bitter and cling to thier religious faith and guns because of it. His health care plan is not as good as John McCain's and it will probably take him years to pull out of Iraq. I have not heard him explain one of his plans in detail. The voters have to keep his middle name quiet so as not to offend him. Is this what the people call the chosen one?

"When has ANY OTHER ethnic group in this country voted 90% for ANY candidate? NEVER...until now. Sorry. I'm not buying what your friend is selling."

Wow Vickie. What an amazing uninformed comment. You do realize that over 85% of blacks voted for Bill Clinton both times right? Blacks have voted at 90% rates for nearly 5 decades for the white male democratic candidate. Please please be a little more informed before you spout off.

I believe there are very few people in the USA who object to a black man for president. Its just Obama is not the right black man for president.
He is arrogant and condescending. He acts as though he is better than everyone. He does look down at everyone. He is also a very scary person in that he has created a cult following who I think would do anything he asks of them. Whether they be white or black is no matter - its what they believe him to represent. Now when he cannot come through on this representations, and those black supporters get angry - what is he going to do then? His also rabid associations with the demented pastor, his association with Wm Ayers, his traveling with Louis Farrakhan, his hedging answers when challenged and then his absolute hatred of Bill and Hillary Clinton. He actually believes he is better than she is, smarter, more intelligent and overall better. He is not better. He does not have the qualifications of leadership. He has never dealt with a foreign dignitary - how can he lead this country? I am so afraid he will get this country into a terrible mess and the terrorists will be back. I don't think he is smart enough to be president. He is to egotistical - so what happens during an important meeting with a foreign nation, he is told no. He is so arrogant, how will he respond to a no? No matter whether the votes are from blacks or whites, we need to really be careful who we vote for. There is just too many unknowns about obama. He is scary as his followers are scary.

If blacks support Obama because of his African American heritage why doesn't whites support Hillary because of her white heritage?

what are some you going to do with all this anger when the election is over/when the lights go out? please get help soon. our prisons are full of nut cases that go on shooting sprees just because they are angry. intelligent debate is healthy for democracy, hysteria is not.

What a joke!

The truth is African-Americans are voting for Rookie U.S. Senator Obama because of his African heritage.

I have asked several African-Americans why they support Obama.

They all told me the same thing; that is, they want to support a "brother".

Blacks vote for Obama. If whites all voted for Hillary the blacks would call it racist. It's that simple.

Obama cannot win if he loses in West Virginia.

Justme, I hear ya. I may not agree, but I hear ya.

"Who's truth is truer: what I mean to say is that Clinton represents private, divisive politics. That is the perception of a lot of people jumping on the Change bandwagon."

The level of ignorance by some obvious white folks here is simply astonishing. BO did not get 90% of the AA vote in the beginning of this primary process until Bill Clinton opened his big mouth. Check your racism at the door and while you are at it check your facts.

Who's truth is truer: what I mean to say is that Clinton represents private, divisive politics. That is the perception of a lot of people jumping on the Change bandwagon.

It's republicans vs. democrats...separate not together. I am going to choke if I hear one more republican talking about the "liberal agenda" or one more democrat act like every Republican is some kind of evil jerk.

Hillary said her job is to beat the Republicans. On the contrary her job is to represent the republicans...and the democrats...and the independents...and the people who use to vote for Perot.

A lot of people feel like she is willing to work within a corrupt system rather than work to remove the corruption.

church going blacks who voted republican four years ago opposing kerry's liberal views on abortion and gay rights are now not even concerned about obama's ultraliberal voting record. they are voting, it seems, with their hearts not their minds. that is dangerous to any democracy. dr king would be embarrassed.

Just me, you never thought ahead and asked yourself if Obama can beat McCain? He can't. The Republicans know this. They own everything, they have way more money than Dems. Hillary is our only hope of saving our country from total plutocracy.

look we need to get beyond all this insanity and get down to a basic premise of democracy. people have the right to vote for whoever they want. this is not china-toe the party line or your are a traitor kind of talk is insane. we have the right to switch parties every year if we want. nobody should have to explain who they are voting for, or why. i do support hilary. i will absolutely vote for mccain if she is not the nominee and i owe absolutely nobody an explanation for my decision. i do worry big times when the fat cats and status quo try to install a candidate. that to me is usually the signal that 'party insiders are choosing' the next POS thus i steer clear of that candidate regardless of color, race, age, or gender.

I wish Al Sharpton would pay his taxes.

Sorry Kevin, I am a FL college grad and everyone I know is a college grad and all of us will not vote for Obama if he gets the nomination. He is unqualified for the job. Literate educated people like myself can not be beguiled by the simplistic emotional speeches of a media rock star. You are not being logical, Obama can't win against the Republican swift boat, AND even more than 50% of the Dems don't trust him. Hillary has proven that she can do what our country needs right now with the huge problems we are facing. That's what we trust.

"Blacks support Obama in large numbers because of ethnic pride."

Maybe some do, but you can't generalize. They waited plenty of time to break for him if that were the case.

You know, I use to work in the restaurant industry a few years ago as a hostess. Some of the servers there would actually request that I did not put blacks in their section of the dining room because they didn't think that they would tip them. I was amazed that they would make that request of me, especially considering the fact that I myself am black.
Anyway, that sparked within me a mission to dispel that myth by being the best tipper any server could have. The only problem with that is often times I received poor service. Some times the server wouldn't even acknowledge my existence until they were forced to by the manager or a fellow employee. I never complained; I tipped them because I was on a mission to dispel that myth.
Well, not this time. My money is on the best candidate and I refuse to allow myself to pass up the opportunity to vote for a candidate as gifted as Obama in order to dispel another myth. I expect good service for my vote and, from what I have seen so far, Obama is the best candidate. Some may see 90% of a group of people who are racist. I see 90% of a group of people who recognize a good thing when they see it. The people who are voting for Obama are doing just that, voting FOR Obama it's NOT a vote AGAINST a "white" person. What will it take for us to understand that.
By the way, I voted for Bush in the last two general elections.

"Sorry. When 90+% AA are voting for BO, it's all about race and yes, it's racist. They aren't fooling anyone. We're not stupid."

Don't be so sure. Recall again that more blacks supported Hillary in late 2007, despite your claims that they would support Obama only knowing his skin color (or oppose Hillary -- whatever your claim is). So if you look at early polls, the black vote starts out pro-Hillary and only after months of campaigning, turns toward Obama.

Now, in comparison, examine (1) the aggregate white vote in polls (2) the exit polls of white voters under 50k non-college and (3) actual votes in counties within the Appalachian region, and look at them very early in the process compared to now. what do you see with regard to changes in their support for Obama?

maleasiansmoker

I agree. Ethnic pride can be negatively exploited by skillful politicians. But i think America is past the point where such atrocity is possible, and i think considering their smaller population, we have NOTHING to fear from blacks. I still believe this race is not about black and white. It's about educated folks vs. non-educated folks. Look at West Virginia vs. Oregon. Both states have the same percentage of white folks, but the way they swing tells you all you need to know. The educated state will go for Obama big. The illiterate state will go for Clinton big. The question is, why????

Given a choice between a CREDIBLE black candidate and a CREDIBLE white one

Posted by: sillyme | May 12, 2008 6:37:39 PM

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Hillary is not a credible candidate , why you think she at one point LOST 11 states in a row , and many of those states didn't carry much of a black population.

You just defeat your own argument.in the area of credible.

Hillary is not trustworthy the white polls state that ,and she plans to carry on the OLD politics in washington.

WE want to move forward not go back.

The Republicans would CRUCIFY Obama if he was the nominee. They will tear him to shreds and when they're done with him..all any American will see is that he is not patriotic, hates white people, has no experience, wants to give our country over to Muslim extremists (Hamas for one), he and his wife wrote racist books, his wife "was not proud to be American" until Obama ran for Presidency, Obama and his pastor think alike....are you kidding me! This is just for starters BTW...

"Look, blacks are minorities (the most oppressed minorities in our country) with a chance to make history. Do you really expect blacks to stand in Obama's way?"

Your argument is offensive because it REDUCES EVERYTHING TO RACE (ethnicity/ethnic pride/whatever weak euphemism you want to use). What if you are a black woman? What do you do then? Why should race trump gender? Why should race trump qualifications and a rational look at the facts? Give me a break!

druggstohr

I never accused Hillary of playing the gender card. I don't care if she plays it.

Shel

That's your opinion regarding who's more qualified or better equipped to beat McCain. You pretend that Obama hasn't won many states with more than 90% white population. He will win Oregon by double digits. Are the educated white folks in Oregon racist too? This is not about race. This campaign is about educated folks vs. illiterates like you. Obama is running stronger against McCain in North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, Missouri, Kansas, Georgia, Wisconsin, Oregon, and Connecticut. Hillary is running stronger in Ohio, Florida, and Michigan. They both lead McCain in Pennsylvania. Obama is within a point of McCain in Michigan. What evidence do you have to refute my claims?

Kevin - I'm glad you feel safer in a dark alley when whites approach you than when black do. I have to say that I wouldn't feel safe in a dark alley no matter who I see there. You guys can rationalize anything for Obama and just as quickly parse out any nagativity you want from Hilary's statements. Gimme a break. That's not an endorsement of any candidate either. Also, if women identify with Clinton and blacks with Obama, then why when she mentions this, do you guys start accusing her of playing the "gender card" as if that's somehow bad? Of course if she points out that blacks identify with Obama then you accuse her of playing the "race card". As far as you guys are concerned, she's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.

Here's why 90% of blacks voting for Obama hints of a "skin color" vote:

BECAUSE HILLARY CLINTON IS THE MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE ! ! !

...(AND THE ONLY CANDIDATE THAT HAS ANY CHANCE OF BEATING MCCAIN).

I thought obama was supposed to transcend race.

LMAO

Posted by: al | May 12, 2008 6:25:20 PM

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HE WANTS TO

Just the forces wouldn't let him, its

a sad state in 2008.

joesixpack has it dead on. Americans did vote GWB in twice... if Obama fails, its not exactly his fault.

Vickie, DM and others:

Racism in voting does not mean voting for someone from your own ethnic group (in which case everyone would be "racist"), it means being unwilling to vote for another ethnic group. Obviously, every one of these black voters you are accusing of being racist have voted for white candidates, if they have ever voted at all. In many cases, they have exclusively voted for white candidates in other statewide elections. Furthermore, A PLURALITY OF BLACK VOTERS SUPPORTED HILLARY EARLY IN THIS VERY PRIMARY RACE. (68% of black women in october 2007!)

If Blacks are demonstrably willing to vote for countless white politicians including Hillary, then they are not racist by any definition ever used before.

You know, I'm voting for Obama BECAUSE I AM EDUCATED. And I am white. That is all.

Shel said "And I'm tired of hearing the lies that Hillary has ever insulted Obama based on his race. "

Bill. AA became upset with Bill not Hillary.

So let me get this straight..

According to some of you- blacks voting for blacks is racism...

Having UMPTEEN years of whites voting for white because there were only whites to vote for- ISN'T?

I could just go on and on with analogy's like the rest of ya-

but for throwing a wrench in the motor sake-

I'm a white who will be voting for a man that is half black.

Have a great night with your statistics.

Obama 08

So let me get this straight..

According to some of you- blacks voting for blacks is racism...

Having UMPTEEN years of whites voting for white because there were only whites to vote for- ISN'T?

I could just go on and on with analogy's like the rest of ya-

but for throwing a wrnech in the motor sake-

I'm a white who will be voting for a man that is half black.

Have a great night with your statistics.

Obama 08

It's obvious that 90% of black voters are voting for skin color which is...YES, racist. They do this despite all of the Clinton's efforts to help blacks, the oppressed, and the poor in their years in office. Great way to say thanks to the Clintons. Vote for the black candidate with no experience!

And I'm tired of hearing the lies that Hillary has ever insulted Obama based on his race. She has led a dignified HUMAN campaign and not once relied on her gender or her race to rally votes. The media would CRUCIFY her if she did. We have a double standard going on that whites are not allowed to even mention race but blacks are.

Obama has been racially divisive and I believe his sole purpose for seeking the US Presidency is entirely for black humans and that reason alone which is frankly...SCARY. Let the whole skin color thing go already. We're sick of it. You don't hear women whining about how we were mens property for the last 5,000 years. We're all just humans...to bad Obama can't see that.

And NO, most whites did not inherit any family wealth. We're in the same "get your butt in gear and work for your future" boat. My illustrious first job was at a fast food place for 3$ an hour which I rode my bicycle to get there. I then worked my butt off to get through college without a dime of help from my poor family. I hope blacks don't think its get money from their families...we don't. As far as I know our parents basically toss us out and hope we survive.

I won't vote for him because he is inexperienced

Posted by: s. valenti | May 12, 2008 6:01:19 PM

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Just to educate you alittle , Barack actually have more experience than Hillary clinton serving in PUBLIC OFFICE. go look it up .

If hillary husband name was danny clinton she would not be here.she would be out stuck in some law office in Arkansas.

They are far more qualify women in congress who should be here , but tough luck for them; they dont have the JUICE of a EX-President.

At least Barack got here on his own working his way up from the streets, and has run a masterfull campaign that so far have left everyone in the dust.

90% of AA voting for Barack is not the same as 90% of whites voting for a white candidate. Blacks vote in blocks. It's hard to explain. It's not organized...but it happens. 88% of blacks voted for Kerry in 2004. 90% of blacks voted for Gore in 2000. 84% of blacks voted for Clinton in 1996. 83% voted for him in 1992. After Clinton left office, the AA in Arkansas voted him into the Arkansas Black Hall of Fame.

Hillary Clinton started off with a majority of AA supporting her. This negative campaign season, the media's drive to turn it into a racial campaign, and Bill Clinton's remarks helped drive support of AA away from Hillary.

This is the time sequence of black support.
Hillary - Majority of Blacks
Obama - A Few Blacks later,
Hillary - Older Blacks
Obama - Younger Blacks lastly,
Hillary - 10% Obama - 90%

Several months ago, older blacks were complaining that younger blacks were voting for Obama. They said we were too young to remember all of the great things Bill did in office and were being ungrateful...but black people who were die-hard supporters of Clinton because of their love for Bill lost the support for Hillary when Bill started acting stupid and arrogant.

Not to mention - Obama speaks the type of language that black people adore. CHANGE. A lot of blacks (esp. older blacks) are highly skeptical and suspicious about the government and politicians. Bill was the "good" guy in a sea of racist whites (I'm just telling you the opinion). Obama comes along and starts saying he's going to reduce the number of hidden laws that get enacted and not cater to lobbyist. He said he wasn't going to be a typical Washington politician...and his statements along would have been enough to draw black support even if he had been a white man. (By the way, I liked Huckabee - I think he could have pulled a lot of black votes to the Republican side...well, at least more than McCain can.)

Just saying

What makes ethnic pride so scary? When Americans face foreign nations in a game, do you think it is improper for Americans to root for Americans against the opponent? When older white women flock to Clinton, do you think it is improper that they do that simply on the basis that she is female? Look, blacks are minorities (the most oppressed minorities in our country) with a chance to make history. Do you really expect blacks to stand in Obama's way? Do you? But generally your argument is baseless because historically blacks have voted for whites when they ran against other blacks. This is a FACT.

Kevin,

One correction:

55% of voters with college degree/up-income voted for Obama while Hillary still enjoyed 45% of them...

65% of younger votes (under 30) voted for Obama while Hillary still have 35% of younger voter support..

So hope you are one of those 55% not one of 65%..

please stop insulting and it is sin by Bible..

Ethnic pride is a little scary sometimes, isn't it? Just ask folks in Bosnia. Presumably, we're all supposed to be making rational decisions based on the facts rather than based on someone's ethnicity.