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Conservatives (Heart) Hillary

May 04, 2008 11:12 PM

A few days ago I was talking to a prominent conservative commentator who told me how much he'd come to admire the campaign Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., had waged against Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.

No fan of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the commentator said to me that if Clinton promised to not raise income taxes and she gave the conservatives the next Supreme Court pick, he'd vote for her.

That won't happen, of course -- but it's a remarkable phenomenon, and now it's showing up in conservative publications.

Rich Lowry, writing in the National Review:

"Was just talking to a shrewd friend. His take on the turn of events in the campaign and how it has affected Hillary Clinton (quoting roughly): 'Hillary has shown a Nixonian resilience and she's morphing into Scoop Jackson. She's entering the culture war as a general. All of this has made her a far more formidable general election candidate. She's fighting the left and she's capturing the center. She's denounced MoveOn.org. She's become the Lieberman of the Democratic party. The left hates her and treats her like Lieberman. Today, Obama is distancing himself from Wright and Hillary is getting in touch with O'Reilly. The culture war has come to the Democratic party.'"

Noemie Emery in the Weekly Standard:

"She's running a right-wing campaign. She's running the classic Republican race against her opponent, running on toughness and use-of-force issues, the campaign that the elder George Bush ran against Michael Dukakis, that the younger George Bush waged in 2000 and then again against John Kerry, and that Ronald Reagan--'The Bear in the Forest'--ran against Jimmy Carter and Walter F. Mondale. And she's doing it with much the same symbols. ...she is becoming a social conservative, a feminist form of George Bush. Against an opponent who shops for arugula, hangs out with ex-Weathermen, and says rural residents cling to guns and to God in unenlightened despair at their circumstances, she has rushed to the defense of religion and firearms, while knocking back shots of Crown Royal and beer. Her harsh, football-playing Republican father (the villain of the piece, against whom she rebelled in earlier takes on her story) has become a role model, a working class hero, whose name she evokes with great reverence. Any day now, she'll start talking Texan, and cutting the brush out in Chappaqua or at her posh mansion on Embassy Row….

"She might run to the right of McCain, if she makes it to the general election, and get the votes of rebellious conservatives. Or she, Lieberman, and McCain could form a pro-war coalition, with all of them running to pick up the phone when it rings in the small hours. The New York Times and the rest of the left would go crazy. Respect can't get stranger than that."

It's interesting.

Discussion point: Obama is getting the support of some prominent conservatives -- Doug Kmiec comes to mind -- because of their view that he could maybe unite the country.

Clinton, on the other hand, is starting to get Atta-Girls from other conservatives because they sense compared to Obama she's more or less on their side in the "divided" America. (Though after a nasty Fall campaign they would no doubt consider her the second coming of Bella Abzug and race to pull the lever for McCain.)

Discuss.

- jpt

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What's missing from all of this right wing punditry is any mention of the fact that Hillary Clinton is consciously serving as John McCain's surrogate. She knows that she cannot win the Democratic nomination, so she is softening up Obama for the general election. Why, you may ask, would she behave so traitorously? Quite simply, it is because the Clintons, as the standard bearers for the DLC (which is the corporate wing of the Democratic Party), fear the progressive wing of their own party more than they fear the Republican Party. Once the progressives gain control of the party, the corporatists will lose prestige and influence.

There has been much speculation about whether Hillary might run as McCain's running mate on the Republican ticket. That would be hysterically funny, given the fact that many Republicans view the Clintons as Satan's footsoldiers.

Posted by: Bobbie | May 6, 2008 12:17:54 PM

Stupid Republicrat Hillary: She hasn't realized yet that America is becoming more and more liberal and wants to get rid off its conservative ballast. She is really out of touch with the mainstream. She definitely unfit for presidency.

Posted by: Jimbo | May 6, 2008 8:24:39 AM

It's difficult to believe that people who think that Obama "will unite us" can actually be so stupid. NO far-left winger can ever unite a nation that is basically conservative at it's heart. Anyone who thinks so just doesn't understand the country they live in. America has kicked more left wingers to the curb than you can shake a stick at. Don't think so? Ask George McGovern and Eugene McCarthy. They didn't just lose, they disappeared completely.

Posted by: Doug | May 6, 2008 6:18:31 AM

""She's running a right-wing campaign. She's running the classic Republican race against her opponent..."

And while doing so, she's becoming more and more divisive to the Dem. Party!

She only cares about herself!

Posted by: OICUR2 | May 5, 2008 8:56:06 PM

Question for the devout: are you aware of every word that has been uttered out of your religious leaders' mouths over the last decade? If you said yes, you're a liar. If you said no, you're a hypocrite. Fun game, eh?

Posted by: Chris | May 5, 2008 5:26:38 PM

My theory about the Clintons is simply that they have taken so much money from very powerful and corrupt people on this planet, inside and outside this country and those people have been promsised an unprecedented level of access to a Clinton White House. Hillary is in the battle of her life and will do or say anything because if she does get in, the money tree will will dry up. The Clintons will have proven to be not such a wise investment.

Posted by: Christopher London | May 5, 2008 4:34:28 PM

Hillary Clinton is doing McCain's work for him -- slashing Barack Obama. I wonder what the McCain campaign is paying her. Maybe a promise to go lightly if she is (I dread) the nominee.

Posted by: Karen, New York | May 5, 2008 4:19:38 PM

Just wondering why Obama waited until 2008 to denounce the Rev. Wright. Thiose statements were made in 2003. Did he and his family sit through and applaud with the rest of the people. Why did he not denounce him then? Why now?

Posted by: Paul | May 5, 2008 4:16:32 PM

Genna is 100% correct, except that I would also add that Hillary is not just alienating black voters who have been loyal constituents of the Democratic Party, she is alienating the educated, the enlightened and even people like me who went door to door in New Hampshire for the Clinton/Gore Ticket in 1992 and voted for Bill twice. Now Hillary wants to torch the party if they do give her what she wants? Hillary did not just lose my vote, she completely aliented me by labeling all thinking educated professionals "Elitists" and running a campaign that would have made Lee Atwater, Karl Rove & Jessie Helms proud. She has turned me into someone who will become an activist to remove her from her NY Senate Seat. She will not ever gain re-election.

Posted by: Christopher London | May 5, 2008 3:21:27 PM

What is there to discuss?

Howard Dean said on Fox News that Republicans were race baiting in Mississippi, Louisiana, and North Carolina. Hillary Clinton has used similar tactics. Now I will put words in his mouth, no Democrat has ran that kind of campaign in the history of the Democratic party until this DLC member stepped up.

What is there to discuss? I don't know how the Democratic party will remain a coalition when that kind of campaign has been introduced and tolerated. In fact, Obama is expected to defer to her tactics and accept her supporters when they have continued to use that kind of measure to get elected.

If you or anyone else thinks it feels good to have our image trotted out election after election as the boogie man who is waiting to attack some unsuspecting person EVERY ELECTION, then you can't begin to understand the level antipathy we have against the Clintons right now. Politics? Sure, you are with us when we keep you from being booted from office and you are against us when it is to your political advantage. We won't forget.

You want to talk about an underreported story and the meaning it has in the future, go across the country and talk to people who used to think the world of the Clintons and their stand on race. Ask them about 85 to 90% of African Americans voting against the Clintons, not all those number reflect support for Obama. Ask them what it feels like to be negotiable in this society after solid support since JFK.

How many geniune conservatives does Hillary have? If she has a good number of them, maybe she can run under their banner in 2012.

Posted by: Genna | May 5, 2008 2:56:51 PM

indy voter: that is a fair comment. But I also think that the Clinton's have skillfully persuaded many in the media that they have alrady been vetted and that fraud, immorality and questionable relationships that they have are off limits in this election cycle. There are just way too many, to coin a phrase, inconvenient truths, about the Clintons. Hillary has LIED about every single substantive issue on this campaign and it is my FIRM POSITION that more than simply lying, she is DEFRAUDING THE WORKING CLASS IN AMERICA. The latest pander on the gas tax and how she labeled learned Economists Elitists when the reality is that to be well regarded Economist requires years of study and CHIEF EXECUTIVES like a President, a Mayor or a Governor are supposed to be able to call on the experience and judgment of learned professionals to make decisions. What Hillary is saying is do not trust anyone who is educated. That itself is so damn disgusting.

Posted by: Christopher London | May 5, 2008 2:40:48 PM

Calling Obama Eilitist is ridiculous. He took out student loans and had scholarships to pay for his education as did his wife. Hillary Clinton went to Wellesley and then Yale. Talk about a ridiculous claim, about as dumb as the gas tax holiday and that the oil companies will somehow have to pay the tax. The legislation has no chance of getting to a vote in time for the summer much less passed and signed bu the Moron in chief.

Posted by: dave | May 5, 2008 2:34:50 PM

Christopher London, As a sometimes Hillary basher I also find it fascinating that my posts sometimes disappear. I am not one to believe anything sinister is occurring. It is just a fact. If anything, I think the media has bent off backwards trying to be fair to both candidates...Of course, I believe in attempting to do so they are not holding HRC's feet to the fire lately as much as they should be....but I do think the major media outlets (minus FOX) attempt to be fair.

Posted by: indy_voter | May 5, 2008 2:28:31 PM

bho has not perservered...he was annointed by his supporters and the press for most of his campaign. not until wright could not be ignored any more did people in msm have to finally look at some of his issues. they have HARDLY begun to look at issues related to bho character, trustworthiness, patriotism, ethics, talk of unifier, etc..
he is like the wizard in the wizard of oz...all smoke and mirrors. once the curtain is pulled back, you find a little man, with no substance nor depth to carry him.
if the nominee, one of the things that will doom bho are his supporters. their rabid tirades are the very reason hillary supporters will take their votes elsewhere if bho is the nominee.

Posted by: pp | May 5, 2008 2:13:38 PM

christopher london,
give me a break...un-vetted? if bho had been vetted his campaign would never have started...his rascist book; tucc, reverend wright, and moss; rezko; ayers and dorhn, home grown, unrepentent terrorists; auchi; kalem el-hady, international terrorist financier; marxist father; rebel cousin, with ethnic clensing to his name; dual citizenship with kenya; race baiting; "68 lies obama said"-google it--; his wife; and the list could go on. most problems people have with hillary are bill's issues, they are not running as a pair any more than bho and his wife. and, if you want to pair them, google the clinton presidency and you will find pages of accomplishments, and a president who left office with a 65% approval rating.

Posted by: pp | May 5, 2008 2:04:10 PM

"Hillary Bashing" as you call it is not bashing as much as it is that she is NOT VETTED, she is swimming in FRAUD from the Peter Paul trial in California, evidence of Vote Fraud in the NY Primary which was picked up Mayor Bloomberg & the Citizens Union to the massive increase in Clinton wealth from foreign sources through the Clinton Global Initiative, Clinton Presidential Library and her campaign. The Clinton's sold the last White House on the way out the door pardoing assorted felons and terrorists and now they appear to have pre-sold the next Clinton Administration to foreign elements that want to own the next Whitehouse. Hillary agrees to release information slowly and after the election cycle. How convenient. All politicians lie a little bit, but the level, depth and extent of CLINTON FRAUD is pervasive, so much so that she really has no business running for any national office, let alone the Presidency. God help America if she somehow steals this nomination.

Posted by: Christopher London | May 5, 2008 1:55:21 PM

I really need to come up with a scam to bilk all these gullible Clinton supporters out of their money. If they'll believe her lies, they'll certainly believe mine.

Posted by: Chris | May 5, 2008 1:33:03 PM

bob--who running for president is not hungry for power? bho is not doing this just to be nice...

Posted by: pp | May 5, 2008 12:46:34 PM

Ironically, Hillary Clinton has come to personify all that is wrong with America. She is more dangerous than George Bush Jr. America will be punished for picking this woman whose hunger for power will eventually bring her and the nation down.

Posted by: BoB | May 5, 2008 12:43:35 PM

Ironically, Hillary Clinton has come to personify all that is wrong with America. She is more dangerous than George Bush Jr. America will be punished for picking this woman whose hunger for power will eventually bring her and the nation down.

Posted by: BoB | May 5, 2008 12:42:48 PM

Obama is an underhanded, vicious and NEGATIVE strategist. He's trying to bury Hillary and has been on the attack since day one. He's the most Negative of the 3, he just denies it.

Think about it. he spends 1/2 of his speech trashing Hillary, the US Government and McCain... then the next half saying how Negative they are and how the USA has been going down for 30 years, and ony Bo can save the day. He's a fear monger -- while denying it -- a double talker and hoodwinker.

Posted by: Cass | May 5, 2008 12:30:09 PM

greg, so nice to have a fellow democrat speak so well of the other candidate in the race.
your rabid tirade is the very reason hillary supporters will take their votes elsewhere if bho is the nominee.

Posted by: pp | May 5, 2008 12:27:52 PM

all this talk of pandering. what exactly do the bho supporters think he has done with the black vote?

Posted by: pp | May 5, 2008 12:22:46 PM

Hillary is running a campaign to win, after some erroprs in realizing delegate and caucus strategy that advantaged Obama.

I trust Hillary to restore Peace and prosperity. She's courageous and strong, she thinks on her feet and she's embracing the diversity of a broad spectrum of Americans.

Meanwhile who knows if Obama would be better than Bush. They both claim to be for change and hope and obama has no record in IL or the US Senate of working hard to change anything for anybody.

Hillary is pragmatic and she's running to win. I'm pro peace and pro economy, pro affirmative action, pro defesen vs. offence and I'm a Renewable energy professional. I truth Hilllary is doing what it takes to win, and support the dreams of desires of most Americans.

Obama loves extremists left and right. My guess is he's be lucky to get 38% in a General election with McCain, and that won't help Democrats. I believe Hillary really cares about working for Peace, and security and thinks on her feet and can turn the economy around. I've never heard anything brilliant from Obama. he seems to be all speech no solutions. I don't trust him to lead the USA. Hillary would be a great President.

Posted by: Steve | May 5, 2008 12:22:46 PM

The tipping point for conservatives was when she called economists 'elites'. Hillary Clinton: Rush Limbaugh's evil twin sister!

Posted by: Tom J | May 5, 2008 12:22:09 PM

To all you ignorant Hillary supporters out there. You see the company you keep. God, I hate this woman and her pathetic, sycophantic hillbots. I will throw the BIGGEST PARTY of my life when this female dog in heat goes DOWN in flames. I LOATHE Hillary Clinton. And I've voted for every Democratic presidential nominee since '72! DOWN WITH HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: greg | May 5, 2008 12:13:52 PM

It's a good thing she knows how to run this type of campaign because that is exactly what the Dems will be up against in the general election and Obama hasn't a clue. A vote for Obama in the primary is a vote for McCain come November. If Hillary is the nominee, it is likely Obama will be on the ticket as the VP where he will get the education he needs to win in eight years. It's time for sone long-term planning like this if we're going to win and keep the White House for the time it will take to undo the damage of the Bush Administration.

Posted by: Jayne | May 5, 2008 12:10:46 PM

I checked out the IL Now website and also Obama's in response to countallthe votes comments. Illinois Now says that not all of Obama's "present" votes on abortion rights were part of a strategic collaboration between Obama and Planned Parenthood. IL Now refuses to endorse Obama for President because of his misrepresentation of this to push his "progressive" image.

Posted by: Cynthia | May 5, 2008 12:06:29 PM

Do we need anymore proof that Ms. Clinton has run a disgusting, Rove like campaign?
It seems she has impressed the right wing conservatives. I really cannot understand what her supporters are thinking, but to me, her lies, the arrogance, the distortions, the attack against her fellow party candidate, the pandering, the slash and burn politics, all remind me, of the Bush campaign in 2000, and his disgusting attacks on McCain, just to win the nomination.
I guess these conservatives can see that too.

Posted by: Martha | May 5, 2008 11:55:42 AM

There is nothing right wing about Hillary. She and her husband are in the center politically. What used to be derided by the left as triangulation is simply governing from the center, and comprising the positions of the extreme right and left wings of American politics. However, compared to Obama, who is a creature of the left, she looks right of center.

Posted by: David H. | May 5, 2008 11:51:57 AM

Conservatives' sympathy with Hillary "the fighter," is of course, symptomatic of the illness within the conservative movement. There once was a political philosophy with intellectual merit.

But of late conservatism's 'proponents' have convinced themselves that 'conservatism' is defined by pugnacity. In this form, the philosophy is little more than vapid cynicism.

Posted by: Carrington Ward | May 5, 2008 11:42:53 AM

We should not have two Republican candidates this Fall. If Ms. Clinton insists on charging ahead regardless of the consequences, then she should do so as a 3rd party candidate.

The only candidate who is truly un-electable may be John McCain.

Posted by: Noah Vail | May 5, 2008 11:21:47 AM

Obama already played his card on Abotion he believes that a mother should be able abort a baby even after it is delivered. He voted in favor of not saving viable babies in Illionis!!


No social Conservative could vote for him and still say they are social conservative!!

Posted by: spock | May 5, 2008 10:52:07 AM

IL resident for President:

I did not know the postion of IL NOW on Sen. Obama's candidacy in 2004!! WOW!! That flies in the face of what Obama campaign is selling!

Thanks for the clarification!

Posted by: countallthevotes | May 5, 2008 10:22:57 AM

Justin,

I understand all that about Obama's "present" votes. That is precisely why I used "could" in my statement. I merely meant that his personal position on abortion COULD be read as influencing his votes as a state senator. I ma not saying whether or not I agree with that. Just because Obama's campaign may explain his voting record of "present" as a request by Planned Parenthood, does not mean that people have to accept that at face value. That is my only point. Some people may disbelieve and are free to do so.

Posted by: countallthevotes | May 5, 2008 10:20:00 AM

we need someone who is in both parties,
because it represents the whole of the country. and Sen. Clinton is the one.
all of that stuff you say about her being convicted of fraud, is just supermarket tabloid junk. All thinking
people have already looked into the peter paul deal and it is lacking. If obama or the lefties who do not like her had anything of substance against her on the pp issue they would have used it by now.
I listened to the jjdinner speeched last night. She is even out speeching him now.
we need someone who is to the center-it will be much more of a fight for mccain and mccain will lose.
dashle,kerry,bradley,dean and co. hatched this scheme of taking back the party-to the far left-and came up with obama-the country does not fair well when either extreme of the parties are in office.
If the dems. want to win in nov. the best move is to go with Sen. Clinton.
with sen. clinton we will have a better chance of changing the make-up of that supreme court. than with obama.
with our country being made up of both parties. better to take the middle way
and that would be Sen. Clinton.

Posted by: jgaw | May 5, 2008 10:19:40 AM

countallthevotes,

Obama's present votes accounted for roughly 0.25% of the more than 4000 votes he cast in the Illinois State Senate. In the case of reproductive rights votes, it's has been extensively documented that Obama was voting "present" at the request of Planned Parenthood as part of a broader political strategy in defense of reproductive rights. Further,anyone familiar with the Illinois senate knows that the present vote is essentially a vote of "no, with an explanation," and Obama's use of the "present" vote is entirely consistent with appropriate practice in the Illinois State Legislature. Next time you raise this issue, please explain it properly.

Posted by: Justin | May 5, 2008 10:05:25 AM

Republicans and Independents are voting for Obama but <<<

Posted by: h | May 5, 2008 9:26:52 AM

One other observation, Barack increased his delegate lead with the Guam victory. Hillary's right wing pandering might play well in rural Indiana and red North Carolina. But what about the contests remaining out in the left coast. Oh well she will just start pandering to the left claiming Barack isn't progressive enough, right? Say or do anything to get elected. I remember George Bush did the same thing.

Posted by: Progressive Democrat | May 5, 2008 9:23:32 AM

She is in both partys just like she talks outof both sides of her mouth and you can not believe either side,She is doing Mc Cains work for him so when Obama reaches the final road he will have nothing to hide.Her on the other hand will have plenty and by this time she will have been convicted of fraud>>>>>

Posted by: older wh lady | May 5, 2008 9:21:21 AM

Do we really want more of this crap?
"Now he's in the news again, which may not be good for Sister Hillary's ambitions. It might remind voters how her brother Hugh Rodham had taken $400,000 in exchange for getting other people pardoned. One ran a cocaine ring. The other was convicted of business fraud and three years after his pardon from Clinton was sentenced to 18 months in prison for not paying millions in taxes".

Hillary offers more of the same.....just like Bush.

Posted by: Progressive Democrat | May 5, 2008 9:19:14 AM

Conservative bloviators want her because they want to continue the drama. Period. They don't want Americans to unite and find common ground. Their livelyhood, their very sustenance, is divisiveness. So when they hear Hillary say to fellow Democrats about her ridiculous gas tax pander, "You're either with us or you're against us", they eat that up.

The thing is... Hillary will be tossed aside once she is the nominee. At the moment it serves the right-wing nuts to have her against Obama. But if she won the Democratic nomination, the anti-Hillary attacks would begin and she would not be able to rise above it.

It's pretty sickening. Not that they exist, but that people tune in.

Posted by: Jill | May 5, 2008 9:02:48 AM

I agree with them. And Democrats still want for this dragon lady?

Posted by: indy_voter | May 5, 2008 8:57:49 AM

Exactly, she's no longer representing Democratic values. So what if that makes her more electable? What would be the point in her winning the presidency for us if when she gets their she's little more than a Republican in a pants suit?

Posted by: fontapa | May 5, 2008 8:45:53 AM

DCVoter, welcome back, Hill will say anything and everything to get the nomination: gaz holidays, obliterate Iran, nuclear umbrella for Saudi Arabia-Koweit-Syria-Abu Dabi and isarael- etc.etc. But, you all know that she is unelectable. She is the candidate who can reunify the republican party and get their base reinvigorated and that is the key point- remember Rush. God save America from Hill the Bosnian General and Mccain. God bless America and God bless Obama.OBAMA08.

Posted by: BKMC | May 5, 2008 8:44:44 AM

Why should she be the democratic nominee if she's running as a Republican

These articles should not come off as a compliment...

I believe Republican pundits are rooting for Hillary etc Joe Scarborough, Sean Hannity, Pat Buchanan

Majority of Republicans voting Democrats are Obamaicans

Posted by: Vanessa | May 5, 2008 8:41:54 AM

The left are a bunch of fools and mysoginists, and not just in the United States, everywhere.

Hilary Clinton is absolutely more able to work with conservatives across the aisle than Barrack Obama. She actually has a history of doing this and the Conservatives have liked her since she started working with them in the Senate. She was raised a Republican.

Obama is the left of the left of the fringe left, which is why his associations with Wright and Ayers are pertinent. They are consistent with his views and politics. He could never work with Conservatives. He never has.

A far left radical from the North East will never be elected president, no matter how many black people vote for him. He can't win.

It's Democratic suicide helped out with some fraud at caucuses to nominate this man.

Hillary has always been the best choice to work with Conservatives.

Posted by: s.b. | May 5, 2008 8:41:29 AM

The fact that conservatives (heart) Hillary should scare anyone hoping that she will be the Democratic nominee!

Posted by: Brian, Decatur, GA | May 5, 2008 8:34:11 AM

It appeared to me that, earlier in the game, Hillary was trying to flank Obama on the left.  I particularly recall her making much of Samantha Power saying that Obama's committment to a 16 month withdrawal schedule would have to be revisited in light of the realities on the ground in Iraq as of January 2009.  And, of course, there was her transformation from cheerleader for NAFTA as first lady to finding her history of opposing NAFTA as first lady.

First movin' left, then movin' right; for a 60 year old lady, she's downright nimble.

Posted by: Lee C.  ―  U.S.A. | May 5, 2008 7:32:49 AM

I think she is in the wrong party .She has screwed this one but good.

Posted by: older person | May 5, 2008 7:22:23 AM

What your average "Bush Democrat" does not realize is that the right wing wants Hillery nominated because of a "little" court case that is going to hit the air ways around mid October. This is going to make the Rev Wright supposed scandel look like childs play. If you vote for Hillery you are indeed voting for McCain. Also ABC could you be more biased in your reporting if you tried?

Posted by: Tick Tock | May 5, 2008 7:04:14 AM

If length of comments post could win an election for Hillary, she'd be there. Unfortunately, it won't wash...Hillary's unelectable because any idiot can see she's totally fake, a personality constructed on the basis of poll findings.

Obama is the only hope for this country right now. Hillary will change nothing.

Posted by: Dema | May 5, 2008 5:30:18 AM

Wow. I just looked up the whole hybrid thing. Can you believe it? Hillary is offering a $10,000 tax credit for a hybrid. That is half off. Just whom is she targeting? Who would believe such a ridiculous promise? She is really lowering the bar. My only hope is that anyone stupid enough to believe it wouldn't have the motivation to get off the couch, turn off the TV, and vote. That is my hope.

Posted by: jcr | May 5, 2008 3:27:45 AM

I agree with Jackie, Hillary gets it. The center is the only way anything is ever going to get done is this country. People are tired of the right wing nuts, and now they are getting very tired of the left wing nuts.
Hillary could change Reagan Democrats into Clinton Republicans. Obama's record reflects no effort at bipartisanship. And as for Hillary's so called pandering, it is about time someone pandered to us, the rich have certainly been getting their pandering for the last 7 years.

Posted by: pennsylvaniavoter | May 5, 2008 3:27:03 AM

Yep. NOTE how the Liberal media NEVER mentioned it UNTIL clinton started getting the vote?

Republicans were voting for Obama to get rid of clinton right from the start.

Once Obama looked like he would win too fast, they then voted for Clinton .

But since Rev Wright, and Obama calling small town voters gun totin bible thumping bigots, republicans are voting against Obama because he makes them sick.

Posted by: tomdavie | May 5, 2008 3:22:27 AM

funny when obama got republican and independent support he WAS a uniter. when hillary gets cross party support she is dividing the party.

Posted by: sonia trevino | May 5, 2008 3:11:05 AM

Sonia,
The Patriot Act that Obama voted for was not Patriot Act I. The second manifestation had key provisions that safeguarded civil liberties. Before the vote, Obama cosponsored key changes that made its way to the final write up in a watered-down form. He joined a filibuster to block Bush's version of the reauthorization, and only compromised when changes were made. Where was Clinton? In fact, during the darkest years of Bush, do you remember her standing up for anything? I remember her speech to the Senate that confirmed the link between Al Queda and Saddam. Oh, and she stood up against flag burning.

Posted by: jcr | May 5, 2008 3:08:36 AM

Even the right wing has come to admire Hillary's spunk...it is hard not to be impressed. Not only is she the most qualified contender, she has shown us that her tremendous spirit will make her an impressive president.

Posted by: Two-cats | May 5, 2008 3:02:28 AM

hey TedDaddy at least she went to bosnia. how many war zones has obama visited?

Posted by: sonia trevino | May 5, 2008 2:55:04 AM

please remember that mr. obama voted to re authorize the patriot act.

Posted by: sonia trevino | May 5, 2008 2:52:40 AM

DC Voter,
Again, you miss my point. If the vote was based on the belief of Bush's evidence, why did it break down so readily according to party and according to state? Lincoln Chafee, the only Republican to vote against the war, looked at the evidence and knew it was a bunch of BS, and claimed that he could have bought those aluminum tubes at the local hardware store. He also said the vote for war was the biggest breach of trust possible by a politician, and that those who broke the trust deserve to pay the price. I agree. And beyond the war vote, Clinton voted for both Patriot Acts, the 1st bankruptcy bill (didn't show up at all for the second), and telecom deregulation. You posted a bunch of incorrect facts about the candidates' respective backgrounds. Now tell me, did all of the rotten legislation somehow help the middle class?

Posted by: jcr | May 5, 2008 2:43:38 AM

Ted Daddy-if your doing a freebie/bribe spir-try spinning on how much astronomical amounts of money obama has donated to superdelegate campaigns.

Posted by: sonia trevino | May 5, 2008 2:40:05 AM

To help people who really dont know anything about Senator Clinton, here are some Career Highlights from various history sources:

During her years at Wellesley, where her political views became more liberal, as President of College Republicans, she became a Democrat after MLK's assassination and became a humanitarian activist.

She graduated in 1969 as Valedictorian of Wellesley with a degree in Political Science and gave a standing ovation speech featured in Life magazine. After entering Yale Law School in 1969, Rodham served on the board of editors of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action and provided legal advice for underprivileged and abused children at Yale-New Haven Hospital. She also interned with children’s advocate Marian Wright Edelman, received a grant to work at the Children’s Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts, in 1970; and worked for Senator Walter Mondale’s subcommittee on migrant workers during the summer of 1971. During her second year in law school, Rodham volunteered at the Yale Child Study Center, where she studied new research on early childhood brain development. She also worked at the city legal services providing free assistance to poor residents.

After graduating from Yale in 1973, Rodham began a year of post-graduate study on children and medicine at the Yale Child Study Center, after having written her widely acknowledged thesis on children’s rights. She also became a staff attorney for the Children’s Defense Fund and was recruited to serve on the presidential impeachment inquiry staff for the House of Representative’s Judiciary Committee, investigating the Watergate Scandal. Rodham Clinton joined the Rose Law Firm in 1976. Two years later, Rodham Clinton was appointed to the board of the Legal Services Corporation by President Jimmy Carter to work for Children and Families. She joined boyfriend and colleague Bill on the University of Arkansas Law School faculty in 1974. She was named one of the top hundred lawyers in America, and the "National Law Journal" surveys list her among the most influential lawyers in 1988 and 1991.

During Rodham Clinton’s 12 years as first lady of Arkansas, she continued to pursue children and family issues. She chaired the Arkansas Education Standards Committee to improve the testing standards of new teachers, founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, and introduced Arkansas Home Instruction for Preschool Youth, a program that trained parents of preschool children in preparedness and literacy. The first lady also served on the Arkansas Children’s Hospital Legal Services board, Children’s Defense Fund board, while continuing to work for the Rose Law Firm. She was named one of the 100 most influential attorneys in America by the National Law Journal in 1988 and 1991. She was also named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984. She served as an attorney on the board of Walmart in Arkansas and resigned later when she was unhappy with Walmart's policies regarding unions and discrimination against women workers.

When the Clintons moved into the White House in 1993, the president appointed his wife to head the Task Force on National Health Care Reform that proposed a national health plan. The controversial plan failed to receive enough support to reach the floors of Congress and was abandoned in September 1994. Rodham Clinton attributed her political inexperience as a contributor to its defeat, as well as other factors. Not since Eleanor Roosevelt had a first lady so actively participated in public policy. Unaccustomed to the first lady’s central role in the shaping of public policy, such involvement was thought inappropriate by critics.

During her eight years as first lady, Rodham Clinton also initiated the Children’s Health Insurance Program in 1997, increased research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma to the National Institute of Health, as well as assisted in determining the cause of a mysterious illness affecting veterans of the Gulf War. She also initiated and guided the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997.

Rodham Clinton has received many prestigious awards, including the Secretary of Defense Medal for Outstanding Public Service, the President’s Award of the League of United Latin American Citizens, Role Model of the Year, by the United Steel Workers of America; the Martin Luther King Jr. Award from the Progressive National Baptist Convention, and the National Association of Elementary School Principals Distinguished Service Award. Rodham Clinton also has authored best-selling books, including her autobiography, Living History and It Takes a Village: And Other Lessons Children Teach Us, which won her the 1997 Grammy Award for Best Spoken Word Album for the recorded version.

During the campaign, her opponent and other critics accused her of opportunism, given her tenuous connection with the state. Considered to be a proponent of American liberalism, with its origins found in Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal policies, the former first lady was elected on November 7, 2000. According to a New York Times article entitled “The Evolution of Hillary Clinton,” she has been successful in finding the middle ground between voters of various views on such issues as abortion rights, where her work has focused on reducing the number of abortions through the prevention of unwanted pregnancies rather than restricting abortions. She was elected with 67% of the vote in NY and was subsequently re-elected for a second term.

Since becoming a senator, Rodham Clinton has worked to strengthen New York’s economy and homeland security, while supporting a return to fiscal responsibility. She worked to bring economic relief to victims of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The senator introduced legislation to provide funding for threat-based homeland security to ensure adequate resources for first responders, and such high-target communities as New York City.

She serves on various senatorial committees, including the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee; Environment and Public Works Committee; Special Committee on Aging; and in 2004 was the only senator on the Transformation Advisory Group to the Joint Forces Command. She has visited troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and other locations, to learn about the challenges American combat forces face. She also has worked for prescription-drug safety for children, to lower the cost of prescription drugs, and to prevent contamination of the American food supply by bioterrorism. She co-sponsored legislation to extend tax credits in regions that contain designated Renewal Communities, as well as introduced legislation to increase access to broadband technology in rural areas.

These are just a few of her accomplishments but they paint a clear picture of what she has done for many people in this country as a humanitarian, civil rights activist, and a champion of children and families. She is truly a highly respected community and public servant who stands for all the voters in the face of unrelenting scrutiny and misogyny. She earned my vote long ago.

Posted by: DCVoter | May 5, 2008 2:31:40 AM

If Obama is such a great change agent why is he so afraid to debate Hillary? And how's he going to negotiate with foreign powers and stand up to the special interests?

Obama's record does not reflect an ability to reach across the aisle or to take the lead on complex legislation. His record is stellar in pandering to the far left in Chicago. His ability to pander to the far left of the Senate (Kerry and Kennedy) is unquestioned.

Obama does not understand that in order to truly heal the divisions one must govern from the center. Hillary "gets it".

Posted by: Jackie | May 5, 2008 2:24:30 AM

jcr we will never agree on what the vote was for... people who only read titles should not vote based on the title... Obama only read the title because he was not privvy to the text since he was not a US Senator... when he became privvy to it, he stated he did not know how he would have voted... he later claimed he only said that for political reasons so as to not make Kerry look bad... no spin necessary facts are facts... unless you are a US Senator with the necessary clearance to read the entire text and had been briefed on all information and communicated personally with Bush when he stated he would not invade without WMDs and would not overstep the authority, then I will assume you either dont know how you would have voted and/or are one of those people who assume things based on the title like Obama did and admitted error later... How the representatives voted is a moot point since none of them are in this race for the nomination... lets stay on topic please.

Posted by: DCVoter | May 5, 2008 2:24:19 AM

Sunday night' speech by Senator Obama was much about the same ole thing, talk, talk and absolutely no substance. The top 2% of tax payers are going to pay for everything that Big Brother usually pays. China is going to own the USA via our debt.
Senator Obama with his Marxist's views has harmed politics, the Democratic Party and voters' confidence more than any other candidate in the last 50 years. If he wins, America loses. Obama and Wright are two peas in a pod with the same ideology. Time proved that.

Posted by: Irish Gram | May 5, 2008 2:22:17 AM

Quit watching cable tv. You can't get good information there. It's just entertainment and propaganda. It's all over for Hillary since Texas, do the math. The real question now is if Obama is forced to take Clinton as VP. The nightmare ticket. They could win but many in the party would be upset including myself. The war vote. Worst political move she ever made and will never be forgiven at least by me.

Posted by: hammerdown | May 5, 2008 2:19:37 AM

DC Voter,
Please read my post again. One poster said the "majority of Dems" voted for the war. I said that was incorrect, and that she was only looking at the Senate. In fact, my statement was true. You can spin the vote all you want, but you can't explain why Clinton then voted against the Levin amendment, if the WMDs were the real issue. Even in the general press, American nuclear scientists were leaking info left and right about how the evidence was a bunch of bull. I knew the case the Bush admin was making was full of lies, and I think Clinton knew as well. There is no good alternative: either she was stupid, or she made the vote for her political career.

About the war vote (and yes, it was a war vote)--look at the roll call again. In the traditionally anti-war states, RI, VT, MI, HI, MN, even MD, BOTH SENATORS voted against the war. Yet, only one Senator from the so-called liberal coasts voted against the war (Barbara Boxer). This tells me that most of the senators who voted "Yea" did so out of political cowardice. And there was no bigger coward than Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: jcr | May 5, 2008 2:16:41 AM

speaking of middle America, I read a lot of posts by people who are confused about just who the middle class is... Michelle Obama with all her education is the most confused LOL... middle class by income is between poverty level and about 70K... she alone has made well above that level for many years... we only get to add 5400 per family member and we have to include all income per federal poverty guidelines... if you want to see where you fall check out this interactive tool then you will understand just who middle America really is and see that Obama is out of touch because he has never been less than upper class... his elitism is not his fault... he is a product of his environment like his cousin Bush... but that doesnt mean we should dismiss the facts... Clinton knows her roots and has never forgotten them.

Posted by: DCVoter | May 5, 2008 2:13:46 AM

By the way I think Obama's unscripted "bitter" comments were literal. He really thinks people are bitter gun toting Bible clinging racists based on where they live or if they have financial problems. It reflects his Marxist leanings and his total misunderstanding of the people that he wants to represent.

The center is representative of where most people live and how they vote,

My prediction Illinois Clinton by 12 points.

North Carolina Clinton by 4 points.

Posted by: Jackie | May 5, 2008 2:11:34 AM

Alpaig does a superb assessment of Clinton. As a middle-aged woman from Illinois who initially supported Obama in his U.S. Senate race as a "promising" liberal, I am very disappointed that he chose to run for President so early. I'm well-educated and unswayed by the mindless explanation for this premature run, "The Urgency of Now!". As a young voter in 1972, I understand why anti-war positions appeal, but this is not a decider for me since Obama clearly stated that he did not know how he would have voted on the Iraq war had he been in the Senate, and the MSM refuses to point out that the majority of Democrats ALSO voted for the war (incl. Obama supporters such as Tom Daschl-check the Congressional Record to verify.) It seems to me that it is Obama who will "do anything to get elected", as his own supporters claim of Clinton. Who knows what his positions would actually be if he is elected, but I expect he will end up doing whatever he needs to do to get RE-elected. Thus, I predict an erratic and unpredictable course as president regarding "the issues."