Ellen Pushes McCain on Same Sex Marriage: "You're No Different Than I Am; Our Love Is the Same"

How are men who say they are homosexual being treated differently than men who are heterosexual? Are both not allowed to marry women???

How are women who say that they are homosexual treated differently than women who are heterosexual? Are both not allowed to marry men???

Are not both men who say they are homosexual and those who are heterosexual prohibited from marrying a member of the same sex???

Are not both women who say they are homosexual and those who are heterosexual prohibited from marrying a member of the same sex???

This is equal protection.

--Marriage predates Christianity by thousands... and probably tens of thousands of years.--

Yes, it started when God joined a man, as husband, and a woman, as his wife.

==If my neighbor is gay and wants to live as a married couple, how does that affect MY life? IT DOESN'T!==

That's cuz you agree with it and don't care about the rest of the country.

We, though, know that it will cnage this society, this culture and this country, and we are citizens, and, so, we are involved.

==...why would I care how other people choose to live and love?==

Cuz you oughta be concerned about the direction of this society, this culture and this country.

== In a Christian sense, then let GOD be judge of the lives of others.==

He has already judged, and He has condemned what we now call "homosexuality" as an "abomination." We merely report that fact.

^^ Why do I have to be involved?^^

You don't. Let us do all the work. You just sit there.

^^ I am not God!^^

We can only thank Him for that!

^^ Only God can judge the heart of man.^^

He already has, saying that the heart of Man is wicked. I believe Him. So, we report what He says.

^^ In fact, doesn't the Bible say no man can know the heart of another?^^

We CAN know cuz God tells us.

^^ Isn't loving and devotion, true Christian virtues?^^

Love and devotion to whom?

^^ And isn't hatred and prejudice an anathema in the eyes of God?^^

Depends.

I am to love my brother, not heathen. Jesus didn't minister to heathen. Neither do I.

God hates evil and evildoers. So do I. He is prejudiced against evil. So am I.

^^ Could anyone be called Christian, who keep people apart...^^

Depends.

Jesus came to separate the goats from the sheep. He said that He brought a division.

^^...undermine the genuine affections and happiness of others?^^

Depends.

Are Christians to encourage any ol' feelings of others, even ungodly??

^^ I am heterosexual and Christian. I think God is calling upon us to put aside the old laws and allow the love of Christ to fulfill the new law.^^

He is, but too many ignore that call and, thus, are under the Law, not Grace.

^^ I do not think actively subverting love, in whatever form it takes, is a Christian act.^^

Which "love" are you talking about?? Worldly love, or biblical love, cuz they are different.

^^ We accept people for their strengths and weaknesses and allow God to judge their hearts.^^

Not scriptural.

What business is it of anyone to pass judgement on other people's relationships? Why does it provoke such huge feelings? If my neighbor is gay and wants to live as a married couple, how does that affect MY life? IT DOESN'T! If my neighbor gets health insurance from his work for his partner by virtue of marriage, does that affect MY insurance? NO! If my neighbor dies and leaves his house to his loving partner after years of partnership, does that affect MY house? NO! So why would I care how other people choose to live and love? In a Christian sense, then let GOD be judge of the lives of others. Why do I have to be involved? I am not God! Only God can judge the heart of man. In fact, doesn't the Bible say no man can know the heart of another? I have read the Bible speaking out against homosexuality. I have also read in the same passages, the Bible speaking out in equal measure that a disobedient son should be put to death, gossips should be exluded from the community of believers, no man shall lay with a woman mensruating, etc....These admonitions are equally strong. Isn't loving and devotion, true Christian virtues? And isn't hatred and prejudice an anathema in the eyes of God? Could anyone be called Christian, who keep people apart; divide communities with empassioned, enflamed feelings of hatred; encourage fear and prejudice; and finally undermine the genuine affections and happiness of others? I am heterosexual and Christian. I think God is calling upon us to put aside the old laws and allow the love of Christ to fulfill the new law. I do not think actively subverting love, in whatever form it takes, is a Christian act. We accept people for their strengths and weaknesses and allow God to judge their hearts. Somehow Í think that God will judge acts of hatred as the more unforgivable sin.

Voting is a right, marriage is not. The government grants marriage recognition, like all privileges, if it deems it beneficial to the general welfare. I believe it should be left to the states to decide. That way, we can see whether it works in some states before possibly jeapardizing our culture with an untested idea (in America at least.)

BTW, if you realy love someone, you don't need a license from the government to prove it.

I can see both sides to this issue. Bottom line for me is that I believe everyone should have the same rights but why does it have to be called marriage? I see no problem with leaving that term for heterosexuals since that is the way it has always been. If homosexuals want to make a commitment and receive all the same legal rights, why can't they come up with their own name for their union. Marriage is way overrated anyways and the divorce rate is higher than ever, and as a fellow human, I think everyone should think twice about it.

It doesn't matter what people believe or do not believe. There is a God and he distroyed Sodem and Gomorrah because of sexual sins and it rained fire from the sky. I respect what is right and I believe we will see God's wrath if we continue to be ungodly. I can't sit back and be passive as long as I live in this country, of the USA. God Bless the USA

MM, I'm not being passive or silent. I am merely saying that being HATEFUL as most are being on here is not the way to go either. I find it ironic how you say "God lovingly warned" when I don't see any loving warnings here. I see hateful accusation from both sides but especially the "Christians".

We are to be an example. The Bible is full of many examples where people are "lovingly warned" but it is loving and then they make their OWN decisions. It is not a secision when they are forced to do something. My family member knows how I feel but also knows I love them. I'm not going to constantly shove my beliefs onto them everytime I see them. That would only result in alienation and would prove nothing but closed mindedness which is exactly what I see here. I'm not saying "embrace all beliefs". Stand firm for what you believe in but don't be a jerk about it. Be loving.

Believe me, I am NOT passive. I do not drink alcohol. Never have, never will by choice. All my friends know that. Most of my friends (non-christians) do drink and at times heavily. They know my beliefs. They drink around me. They don't offer it to me because they respect my beliefs. I told them why I don't drink, once. While they are drinking, I do not "preach" at them what I think about alcohol consumption. I have family that drinks, they know that my family does not. When my sisters and I were younger, they did not drink in front of us out of respect for us and my parents. My parents did not "Bible thump" at them. There is a mutual respect.

I am not encouraging "laying down and playing dead" but state your opinion IN LOVE, move on. Don't attack. I approuch every discussion as if it were with a close friend or family member just so that I make sure I am doing it love not just reacting. We are all human and make mistakes.

Just because I am a Christian, does not mean I am perfect. FAR from it. "There but for the grace of GOd go I". I depend on Him daily to guard my mouth and help me not ruin my testimony by my human, selfish sense of "self" and making myself feeled justified. I'm just saying that BOTH sides need to chill. Respect each other and see how far that goes.

The sad thing to me is that the so called "Christians" are reacting just like those that are self-declared non-Christian or even worse. If you are a true Christian, you are held to a higher standard by the God you claim to serve. Prove it.

What I find most disturbing is the fact that there are many different kinds of people in the United States with many different kinds of religious backgrounds. This is not a religious issue. Not everyone worships the same God nor is everyone Christian.

IF a church does not wish to sanction gay marriage - that is fine, but the government is suppose to be for all people despite religious, economic, racial...etc. differences. So why can't every citizen have the same rights?

It appalls me.

LAW SHOULD NOT BE BASED ON WHAT "GOD" WANTS. WE DON'T ALL BELIEVE IN THE SAME CRUD AS YOU BIBLE THUMPERS OUT THERE. LEAVE YOUR BIBLE AT HOME

This whole arguement is based on Christian philosophy. There is a seperation of church and state. Or should be. Bottom line. Leave your church at home. Don't bring it into law. Unless of course you christians want to be like the taliban............

wow, are there some mean-ass Christians on THIS blog! if legalizing gay marriage meant the immediate dissolution of all straight marriages and a state mandate that all persons, regardless of sexual preference, be forced to marry a person of their own sex, i'd say the opponents have a legitimate beef. that preposterousness aside, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? and don't give me that "abomination" crap from the bible. the real abomination in this case is the smug, pious cruelty of the "Christians" on this blog who would exclude gay people from a fundamental rite of passage in our society. we human beings all love to fear and marginalize the "other," because it makes us feel so superior.

if you still allow yourself to think, despite your deep religiosity, ask yourself: why would a loving God make gay people and then condemn them to hell for following their natural impulses?

if homosexuality is a "choice," as i know many of you fulbright fellows believe, here's another question for you: exactly when did YOU choose to be heterosexual?

i want some answers! or are you too chicken?

beccatoo, love is not passive or silent, but it is active. If someone is in trouble, you do not keep silent and not tell them the error of their ways. Instead, what you do is let them know the consequenses of their actions. God lovingly warned sinful man about His wrath upon those who do not turn from their sins. It is the gospel truth.

why do straight people always say stuff like, bro and sis, daughter and father?? of course i don't think that that should be allowed! what is wrong with gay peopele being allowed to marry? how will allowing gay people lead to those other arrangements? your logic would say that straight marriage lead to gay marriage lead to plural marriage lead to interspecies marriage! it just doesn't make sense! did straight marriage lead to dogs marrying a man??? no, so that argument is just one because you can't think of another reason to deny gay people the right to form contracts with each other that will be recognized federally, and those federal rights are given to gay coupldes just as freely as they are to straight couples! i shouldn't have to carry about 15 documents with me when my partner goes into the hospital to gaurentee me the right to visit him! i shouldn't have to have 15 documents with me when my partner dies and i'm left with a house that i must now pay taxes on in order to keep it because it is considered a gift and there for taxable!! again, has straight marriage lead to a son marrying his mother?? no, so that argument does not make sense! there are fundamental rights, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, that my taxes and my partners taxes payes for! we deserve to form a union, called whatever you want it to be called, with ALL the benefits afforded under this union!! i don't care about the word, domestic partner, civil union, marriage, i just want ALL THE RIGHTS, not some, so that way my relationship is valid under the law and i am not treated as a second class citizen in this society! gay civil unions in NJ have been denied basic insurance because the insurance company said they weren't "married." this is why the word marriage is so important! again, i don't care what you call my union, but damn it i deserve the rights that any straight person is afforded under the marriage laws!!!`

Mccain has it right.
Ellen has it wrong.
Gay people will never be accepted.
That is why the majority of the states dont have a law for same sex marriage.

In the United States, the only thing that really defines when people are married is a piece of paper issued by the state called a "Marriage License" or something similar. In some states there may also be "common law marriages".

The State/government doesn't care if there was any kind of religious ceremony or not. All it cares about is if there is a signed piece of paper that says you're married.

Why is allowing same sex partners to have this piece of paper such a big deal? It won't change anything! Case in point:

I've lived in my house for 8 years now. When I moved there the next door neighbors were two women. Nice ladies. Come to find out they are a lesbian couple. Been together for years. Been living in the house together way before I moved to the neighborhood. They've been great neighbors. They often walk in the evenings and hold hands. They share a bedroom. They drive matching cars.

If the state allowed same-sex marriages, it would not change anything to you or me. My neighbors would still take evening strolls holding hands, they would still share a bedroom, and still drive matching cars. It's not like all of the sudden their relationship will take on a crazy new level and they will run wild in the streets!

But to them it would mean a lot. They would be able to have extended health benefits from their company, they would be able to file as "married" on their federal income tax returns, they would be able to sign legal contracts as a married couple.

Let them have the piece of paper!

DrNyman~ Thank you, thank you, thank you. Props to you. I agree with absolutely EVERYTHING you said.

One of my biggest pet peeves is how I am supposed to be tolerant of everyone and everything else but the moment I open my mouth with a differing opinion I am attacked. Freedom of speech goes both ways and I'd appreciate if everyone remembered that.

I believe in Freedom. Every kind of Freedom. And that Freedom for everyone no matter how different our personal beliefs are. The majority of my friends have differing views than I do but we agree to disagree. I don't force my beliefs on them and they don't force theirs on me.

I have a close family member that is gay. Do I love them any less...not at all. Do I, personally, think its wrong...yes. I still love this person and would love them no matter what. That is their decision to live their life how they deem right to them. Its Freedom.

God gave man that Freedom in the beginning of time, who I am to take that away from anyone. I do not judge people for I am commanded "not to judge lest I be judged" and that "he without sin should cast the first stone". As DrNyman stated, I view premarital sex the same way as homosexuality. They are both wrong to me. Wrong is wrong.

I think the accusations on this blog are ridiculous and immature. Everyone's getting thier hackles up and all offended. As the old adage goes, "you win more flies with honey than with vinegar" and that goes for both sides of ANY arguement. I am a Christian, yet most Christians on this blog are a shame to me and I am embarressed of them and their ugly accusations. They need to take a look at themselves and get over their haughtiness. The God I know and the one they claim to serve would be ashamed of their actions.

While I'm up here on my soap box (:-D), on the seperation of church and state issue... everyone needs to go research some history. NOT textbooks but actual records written at the time of the founding of this country. Seperation of church and state was orginally instituted to keep the state from mandating the church's activities NOT the other way around. They WANTED the church involvment in politics but they did not want a repeat of what they fled in England...a government ruled and mandated church. They wanted the freedom to worship God the way they chose not on the whim of some ruler. The way this country is headed now, we are quickly on the way to what the founding fathers wanted to avoid. When kids can't pray in school, when "Merry Christmas" is suddenly wrong and offensive (which is ironic in itself because Happy Holiday is literally Happy Holy Day), when the decision to send our children to public school or educate them at home is taken away...the foundation of this country is at risk. And as someone pointed out earlier in this blog (sorry- I can't remember who) Christians can be hated and discriminated against and its ok but we'd better not think of saying what we think is right and wrong or we are accused of being haters. This all goes back to what I said at the beginning...Freedom of speech goes both ways. Respect cannot be received unless it is given.

To my Christian family out there...be the bigger person...stop pointing the finger first (there are more pointed back at you- I know its cliche but so true)..love all our brothers and sisters as they are and allow them the freedom to make their decisions and live their life the way they chose.

To all those who do not agree with me, please allow me the same freedom I'm allowing you...to live my life as I see fit and not be judged for it. Thank you.

It's painfully obvious what conservatives are attempting to do with these constitutional amendments banning gay marriage.Anyone who grew up in the Civil Rights era knows that a lesson taught is not necessarily a lesson learned, and the children of today will most likely harbor substantially less bigotry towards gay people. These amendments exist solely to tie the hands of future, less-bigoted generations.

If two people for a union, that union is normaly supported by each other. If there are more then that in the union, the state is normally burdened with taking care of the added partners in the family unit. look at the flds church. these straight men have bonded with many women, and the state is caring for the off sprind and the "extras" in these plural marriages. the law should state two people, be they opposite or same sex, are allowed to form a marriage contract for the mutual benefit of each other. also, the argument that if you allowed same sex marriages you have to allow plural marriages just doesn't make sense! gay people aren't asking to marry 6 people! i'm only asking to marry the ONE person that i want to, out of love and respect for each other! i never hear a vaild argument as to why straight people can get married! if we can't get married because we can't have kids, why then are sterile people allowed to marry? why are my great aunt betty and her 82 year old boyfriend allowed to get married when there is no chance of children? that argument is now invalaid, unless you declare that you must have children during a certain period of time in order to continue to be married and enjoy those benefits that one gets when they are married!

Philly J, I am straight, and I agree with you. I am just wondering if you think that all consenting adults, no matter the relationship or quantity of partners, be allowed to be married as well.