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Guam Superdelegate for Clinton
May 22, 2008 12:51 PM
Guam Democratic Party Chair and superdelegate Pilar Lujan today announced her support for Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, today.
Clinton, as you may recall, promised Guam "full voting rights."
- jpt
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Funny....the Hillary faction talks
about what a cipher Obama is.......and
the Obama faction talks about what a
an insider Hillary is......and real
voters laugh, listen, and vote for what
they've always voted for......a rational
Repub.
Posted by: hombre | May 22, 2008 11:32:43 PM
dl..
I can only read three languages... and the word you have in the first line is illegible in all of them.
What does it mean?
And you are wrong when you say that the news is being fairly desseminated by the media. It is not.
Ask any Hillary supporter!
Posted by: Questioner | May 22, 2008 5:18:34 PM
Vicki
You obviously aren't listening. he volunteered before and after he went to law school.
and yes...that is a pretty big leap of faith to think that volunteering for factory workers out of work was a strong plan rather than take a job in Washington or with a politician or a lobbying firm ...that this was the way to get elected.
Well if it was that is pretty cool if his tactics for getting elected were to spend years volunteering for the people he wanted to represent.
Most of the world thinks Americans made a mistake...yes. They think Bush is a bad man but Americans may not be. But they also know and see that Americans back ed Bush...and most Americans backed Bush going to war...with a lot of angry anti-world/UN sentiment out of the fear that the Bush administration used but we still put us over everyone else in their minds...
Now we have a chance to say we know we made a mistake... and unfortunately we have one candidate that they see as breaking from the road that got us to that point. One candidate that was talking about ideas that seemed so American...the American ideals that made us such an attractive country to look up to.
The world is waiting to see if we make that choice. If we become that "beacon" again.
and once again it will beocme cool to buy American again...to hold up the American flag even if you are not from here...
If you read the world papers...it is not that way now.
and I do not think I have superioir knowledge but I do know what it is like to look up so much to the Clintons no matter what they did... and then suddenly go to all of these candidates rallies and see there is another candidate who is making more sense.
and how hard it is after years of arguing with republicans on behalf of the clintons to suddenly realize they aren't the bar...they were just the only bar I had for a very long time.
Posted by: dl | May 22, 2008 5:12:45 PM
eyes open did you see the ehadiong of this and most of the blogs on the internet and the networks stories today
to say that there is a Hillary black out...is well...kinda dumb.
I would say 50% of the stories are about Hillary.
as they have been most of the time...
god knows if it's not Hillary than it's barack...if it's not Hillary or barack it's Bill and Chelsea...or rev wright.
Posted by: dl | May 22, 2008 5:00:49 PM
dl,
I see you have calmed down. The caps were there so that you could differentiate your statements from mine, I overestimated your intelligence and thought you would understand this - duh.
Obama is a smart man, he wanted a political life. Why do you think he would graduate from Columbia, take a regular job and then "all of a sudden" decide to come to Chicago and be a community organizer. You are living in a fairy tale if you believe that he took a job that paid $18,000/year out of the goodness of is heart. Chicago is a place that Obama correctly recognized as a okace for his political ambition. Once he was here, he saw that all he would have to get a law degree to further his plan, and off he went. Again, you have not commented on his chicago connections. EMIL JONES - he is the President of the Senate of the State of Illinois, and Obama's political god-father. He is the one that was behind the attempt to fix the Indiana primary - do some research.
Obama was not running for US Senator when he made the anti-war statements, he was running for state senator, from one of the most liberal districts in the State of Illinois, there was really no bravery involved. The US was still reeling from the events of 9/11 at this time.
I have been out of the US plenty of times, actually have family that live outside of the US. People do not look down on the people of the US, they do disaprove of President Bush, as do the majority of the US residents.I deal with people from all walks of life, academics, working class, seniors and retired people. They are interested in substance.
You need to start thinking, and stop trying to impress people with what you believe is your superior knowledge. It is obvious to those of who are aware of the world situation that you need to learn to listen and research. Listen to people who have different ideas, and do not accept everything that is spoonfed to you as fact.
This is my last post to you.
Posted by: vicki | May 22, 2008 5:00:01 PM
GE
I disagree
in the heat of this primary...a lot of people said they will vote for McCain out of anger...
and they will vote for Obama.
It would be hard to look at your kids 20 years from now knoiwing you voted for the guy who chose perhaps three more conservative supreme court justices, to continue running up their bill for this war...meanwhile weakening our military, borrowing more from China, not getting our standing back with our allies, and in the world, voting for aggression that has shown to be increasing the numbers of terrorists...
and the list goes on...
Remember how everyone was feeling before the dems started fighting with each other.
if this ends soon enough we will be back to that.
Not to mention the repub to dem defections that have been happening en masse... in the primaries alone.
Posted by: dl | May 22, 2008 4:57:49 PM
dl:
"now that McCain doesn't have the cover of Clinton... he is going to just keep sinking."
______________
There's a media blackout on anything Hillary.... so please let me know if she's exited the race.
Has she won West Virginia?
What about Kentucky?
With the huge percentages predicted?
What about Guam? Who won?
Never MInd; I'll find out myself!
"While Obama led for the vast majority of the night's tallying, Clinton needed a strong finish in the municipality of Dededo, Guam's most populous village. And she did - gaining 61% of the 822 votes counted by the Democratic Party of Guam.
Second, CNN reported, "[r]oughly 1,400 votes remain to be tallied in Dededo, about 27 percent of all votes cast in this party-run primary."
Third. Only 822 of about 1,400 votes were counted. What happened there? And why did it take 13 hours to count those votes?"And it took the pollworkers in Dededo a total of 13 hours to count them. When it was over, Clinton won the village by 196 votes; 8 shy. Obama took Guam 2,264 to 2,257."
Fourth, there weren't enough ballots due to high turnout ... even though only half the ballots were counted.
More than 8,100 were printed in response to reports of shortages at precinct sites. But when the final tally came in, only a little over 4,500 ballots were used
Sounds pretty fishy."
(quoted from "AHN May 3, 2008 3:25 p.m. EST )
I think it's kind of fishy too.
8 votes shy...... hmmmm
and they ran out of ballots.... hmmmm.
Maybe if Hillary threw her minister under a bus she could get some well deserved attention...
The Hillary-Blackout proves how, in the wrong hands, the power of the press can be a tool AGAINST democracy as well as for it.
GIVE 'EM HELL, HILLARY!!!
Posted by: eyes open | May 22, 2008 4:55:04 PM
dl
Don't trust the polls. People say they are going to vote Obama and they will vote McCain.
Posted by: GE | May 22, 2008 4:52:35 PM
I blog for the issues and because I really do love this country.
that happens to mean this time around I argue for Obama.
and Vick ...I'm sorry I misspoke I meant for Guam and Puerto Rico to have voting rights...unfortunately that sometimes comes across in my mind like they don't have full citizenry.
I wish they did... but like I say...a chicken in every pot in every state...especially when they are promising chickens that are so big they can't provide without ignoring others...
that is not good to do unless you are truly planning on fighting for something that big.
a constitutional change is enormous...and right now the battles have almost already already been picked for them...so p[romising other huge battles (different in each state) is bad.
Posted by: dl | May 22, 2008 4:51:56 PM
c
the numbers from the polls include defections already...and even with those he either beats or ties Mccain within the margin of error...
and everyone knows those defection numbers are going to decrease because real americans ...real adult americans vote on issues, their pocketbooks, their futures...the war, roe, healthcare, their children being shipped overseas or not having as good a future as their parents had...etc...
rather than out of spite... atleast most Americans
especially smart courageous, intelligent Hillary supporters who care about the issues more than just one woman... which most of them are.
A handful will be angry enough and spiteful enough and/or yes dumb enough (just like if it was obama in a situation like hers) to vote out of that.
especially in a year like this one.
Posted by: dl | May 22, 2008 4:47:04 PM
dl
you don't know that Guam and Puerto Rico are citizens and you are trying to show me something? Get youre facts straight.
Posted by: vicky | May 22, 2008 4:44:36 PM
Dl,
Are you Obama supporter or Mccain?
Why you blogs for Obama and Hillary??
I only volunteer for Hillary.
Why are you doing it?
Posted by: catleya | May 22, 2008 4:41:44 PM
vicki
you are still making angry statements that aren't based in facts no matter if you put them in caps or not.
I said that Obama gave up the high paying jobs to volunteer that is true...and you said he did it as a political move...
and I said...he volunteered before AND after his law school... there is no story change... just your idea that it was some political move doesn't hold water unless he was volunteering before school to dot that. Which sounds like a pretty weak argument ...even in caps.
People were still calling people unpatriotic if theywere not supporting this war... it's half the reason politicians like Hillary were afraid to challenge them.
...and yes Obama was running for office when he made the speech (and at the time it was not a popular position in the slightest) about the war.
and his moneys came predominantly...almost entirely from small donors especially in the beginning...that is documented...Hillary had the dem big guns...that is also documented.
and if you don't think America as a beacon has been dimmed ...you obviously have been living in a cave somewhere...or at the least have never talked to anyone from outside this country in the past 5 years.
Posted by: dl | May 22, 2008 4:41:20 PM
dl dl
Obama will get wiped out by McCain. White people will not vote for that arrogant fool, whos friends are all to the left of Carl Max.
Posted by: C | May 22, 2008 4:37:08 PM
Hoosier Sue
I would love to know where you got a statistic about obama having 400 paid boggers ...more hail mary's just throw a statement out whether it is true or not.
I volunteer for obama...I have volunteered for Clinton...never once has anyone ever made any notion of paying anybody to blog...and I know a lot of the bloggers...
Most of them are under 55 so they tend to just support Barack.
Posted by: dl | May 22, 2008 4:33:14 PM
dl,
You can't keep changing your story!
Obama volunteered in communities even before he went to harvard law ...duh.
OBAMA CAME TO CHICAGO IN A CALCULATED POLITICAL MOVE TO BECOME A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER - YOU WERE THE ONE THAT SAID HE WORKED IN THE COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF TAKING A HIGH PAYING JOB.
This war was not about 9/11...you would have to be a moron to still buy into that.
YOU WERE THE ONE THAT SAID HE WAS AGAINST THE WAR WHEN EVERYONE WAS THRASHING EACH OTHER AFTER 9/11 - YOU ARE THE MORON DL.
to say there is no record of Obama sopeaking against the war... what because you have not seen a recording
YOU ARE THE ONE THAT SAID OBAMA SO BRAVELY MADE THIS STATEMENT IN A WELL PUBLIZED SETTING - NOBODY CAN ACTUALLY FIND ANY RECORDING OF IT. I'M SURE IT HAPPENED, BUT AS I SAID IT WAS AT AN ANTI-WAR RALLY, HE SAID WHAT WAS EXPECTED OF HIM.
you are starting to sound like one of those Hail mary" people who are just going to throw out statements whether they are based in facts or not just because you are mad that your candidate didn't win.
YOU HAVE ALWAYS SOUNDED LIKE A OBAMANUT WHO BELIEVES AND SPREADS EVERYTHING THAT IS SPOONFED TO HIM --WHY HAVE YOU NOT RESPONDED TO THE TYPICAL CHICAGO POLITICIAN STATEMENT I MADE. LOOK UP EMIL JONES IN CHICAGO SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT KIND OF POLITICIAN OBAMA IS
Obama has taken down the Clinton machine...who had the backing of every millionaire democrat old party stalwart Lincoln Bedroom renting power broker in Washington when this started.
OBAMA IS THE ONE THAT HAS THE MONEY-PEOPLE IN HIS BACK POCKET, HOW ELSE CAN HE PAY OFF THE SUPERDELEGATES???
the fact that you think the idea of "relighting the beacon that our country was"
and republicans ...political insiders...great americans and historians across the board agreed that Obama's speech was one of the great american speeches...even if a handful Hillary supporters want to belittle it ...because they are angry.
is the dumbest statement I have made speaks volumes to everyone who actually reads these things.
THAT YOU THINK THAT OUR COUNTRY'S BEACON NEEDS TO BE RELIGHTED IS ABSURD. THIS COUNTRY IS GREAT, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN GREAT. YOU ARE RIGHT THOUGH, YOU HAVE MADE MANY DUMB STATEMENTS SINCE YOU'VE BEEN EMPLOYED AS A BLOGGER BY OBAMA. PERHAPS I WAS WRONG THAT THIS WAS YOUR DUMBEST ONE.
That is what is wrong with America. stupidity, fear and spite and especially when it sounds like a 5th grader that is mad that the leader of their clique didn't get prom queen.
AMERICA IS NOT STUPID, WE ARE BRAVE AND STRONG. YOU, HOWEVER, ARE STUPID AND FEARFUL AND YOU SOUND LIKE YOU ARE READY TO HOLD YOUR BREATH UNTIL I AGREE WITH YOU - NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS FOLLOWING THE COOL GUY WHO WENT TO THE BACK OF THE GYM TO DO DRUGS.
Posted by: vicki | May 22, 2008 4:32:31 PM
dl dl
Fact straight. You don't know jack.
Posted by: Charles | May 22, 2008 4:32:09 PM
Hoosier Sue
check your facts unless omething happened in the past three weeks
McCain missed 58% ... more by about 20%
sorry no I just checked
McCain missed 60% (Obama 40%)...the most in the senate...and it is common for the two fron runners to miss many votes in the senate...they have the presidency on their plate...
but just get your facts straight
McCain has missed the most this year compared to any other senator but keep throwing those hail mary's because you don't care to get your facts straight.
Posted by: dl | May 22, 2008 4:29:57 PM
rockthebleachers.
Yesterday, regular gas in Illinois was around $4.19/gal.
I won't blame that on Obama; there's so much more I hold him accountable for.
... and maybe having to live with Michele will make up for an empty vote or two.....
Posted by: eyes open | May 22, 2008 4:27:48 PM
oh and by the way
all those head to head match ups between McCain and Obama where he is almost always tied includes defections which every logical person knows won't be at that height come the GE.
and now that McCain doesn't have the cover of Clinton... he is going to just keep sinking.
Posted by: dl | May 22, 2008 4:23:28 PM
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