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Has Obama's Superdelegate Momentum Slowed?
May 05, 2008 2:19 PM
Karen Travers of ABC News' Political Unit crunched some numbers on my request.
Since March 14, when the Rev. Jeremiah Wright story first hit GMA, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, has picked up 62 superdelegates to Sen. Hillary Clinton's net of 20.
Since April 22, when Clinton handily won the Pennsylvania primary, she has netted 12 superdelegates to Obama's 21.
But since Wright appeared at the National Press Club on April 28, she has netted 11 -- and he has gained 17.
- jpt
UPDATE: Inevitably, moments after posting this, the Obama campaign announced two more superdelegates -- so just today he has gained three to Clinton's zero. But the day is still young.
May 5, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (168)
We are blaming Obama for not counting FL & MI because he said no and he will be held accountable by the voters of those states. He said we'll have to talk about it. The guy is totally inexperienced and couldn't get a bill passed if he tried. He misleads about being against the war and I even hear his pundants say he voted against the war - he was not in the senate at the time and continually votes to finance the war. He's such a fraud. I will not vote for him under any circumstances - at least I know Hillary will come through like she always does. How in God's name does anyone think he can win with his Wright & Ayrs controversy and his non existent experience? Maybe before 9/11 you can win without experience but after Bush's disasters that is over. If Obama wins the nom you may as well congratulate the new Pres McCaine because if me - a staunch liberal is afraid of Obama you can bet the soccer moms will feel the same. My prayers are with Senator Clinton.
Posted by: Siobhan Ogilvie | May 6, 2008 2:58:30 PM
I am stunned at as to where you get your facts from. Barack Obama was once 100 superdelegates behind & now he has closed the gap to a mere 14. Remarkable & all you can report is he's momentum has slowed.
Bias to say the least.
Obama '08
Posted by: Obama backer | May 6, 2008 12:13:18 PM
Al from Al | May 5, 2008 6:10:50 PM
Well said, well said. Glad to see you see the BIG picture. I hope others like Carpenter, Jay, Jayhaw, Lou can see the BIG picture of getting your priorities lined up vs. voting for someone elses priorities because your candidate didn't get to the top of the ticket.
Remember everyone, Senator Clinton and Senator Obama have almost identical voting records on legislation they both voted on over the last two years. So, what you get from one, you're likely to get from the other with some obvious exceptions. But those exceptions may be against your ideal anyway, so stick wtih the Dems, either one. Both should be better than McCain for this next voting cycle.
Posted by: Roofin Reality | May 6, 2008 11:59:22 AM
Carpenter,
As a post just before yours pointed out, Senator Clinton and Senator Obama are virtually identical in their views (votes up to the first of March). So, I don't understand why you would say if Obama wins, he sells out America and the Dem party has gone to the radical ultra-left wing side. Clinton would give you the same thing. Well, 95% of the time.
McCain is going to be on the other end of the spectrum. So, I don't understand.
Posted by: Roofin Reality | May 6, 2008 11:34:03 AM
Belle, Clinton had a 30% lead after the Texas and Ohio primaries in early March. Three weeks before the Penn primary, Clinton was up 20%. In a matter of those three weeks, with a lot of money (that he got from A LOT of small donors) he was able to bring the deficit to 10% at election time. And pleaes remember, Senator Clinton had the endorsement of EVERY major democrat in the state. The Governor, the State Dem party, the mayors of Philly and Pittsburgh, etc. She had everything going for her and ended up winning impressively. Just not as big as one would think considering all she had going for her into the vote. Sorry, you're wrong on this, please get your numbers right.
Posted by: Roofin Reality | May 6, 2008 11:06:07 AM
Oldspice, nice post, but I disagree.
I think that if each vote in the caucus states, like Iowa for example, had the actual votes counted vs. getting just the caucus numbers, the popular vote would be even greater than what it is today for Senator Obama. AND, Senator Clinton would be a lot closer in the delegate count.
By the way for all of my friends who want to count Michigan and Florida, I hope you don't have children for if you do, they have to be spoiled brats. That is, you tell them that if they do something the consequences are...? Then they do it and you decide to NOT show them that you really meant it. Oh, ok. SO next time you tell them the consequences they behave? Right, I don't think so. Come on people.
The votes weren't going to count and EVERYBODY agreed that they wouldn't count, including Senator Clinton. So, you can't go back now and try to change it.
Posted by: Roofin Reality | May 6, 2008 10:48:12 AM
Lois, nice post, but I think (opinion only) that you're wrong.
I think not only will African Americans stay at home, I think the new voters inspired by Obama will stay at home as well. For Dems in tight races in their Congressional districts, they can't afford to have those voters stay home. So, in a BIG way, the DNC NEEDS Obama to be on the ticket to keep those voters (to keep their majority in both the house and senate).
By the way, didn't U see two days ago that a Dem in Louisiana was being hit with "association to Obama" vis-a-vis Rev. Wright? Guess what? He won his race in a district that had been in Reps hands since 1974. So, the DNC knows they need Obama to keep them in power.
Posted by: Roofin Reality | May 6, 2008 10:41:29 AM
Nick at Nite,
Why would you vote for Clinton over McCain but then vote McCain over Obama?
In other words, if Clinton and Obama espouse the same ideas (votes, which are recorded), why would you vote for McCain who doesn't have the same ideas (same votes)?
Posted by: Roofin Reality | May 6, 2008 10:35:49 AM
For those who don't get the Jay Z comment, well, that just goes to show how little you know about Obama.
For those who say if Hillary gets the nomination you'll vote for Obama on a third party ticket, well, that just goes to show how little you know about our political system.
For those who say that Obama is soon to have 1.5 million internet donors and that he can win the general election without blue collar/women/moderate dem votes, well, that just goes to show how little you know.
Posted by: HoosierSue | May 6, 2008 9:51:17 AM
Angel posted: "Annie" are you trying to imply that Senator Obama can't invest money into his children and their extra curricular activities?
Angel... thank you for proving my point!
Posted by: Annie | May 6, 2008 9:50:14 AM
I'm just trying to get my head around the numbers you've quoted here, Jake.
If you factor in the delegates picked up today, then the margin since April 22 and April 28 is exactly the same. So Obama's momentum is in fact the same as it was last week. And could it be that the delegates who wanted to declare themselves early have already done so (with Obama getting the lion's share), and we're now left with those who will declare themselves later (as in tomorrow or even after all the contests are finished)?
And besides, Obama is still grabbing twice as many delegates as Hillary, so the point of your piece is what exactly? That Obama is still on track to win the nomination? Which would have been a more honest headline.
Posted by: Mark O | May 6, 2008 9:36:00 AM
To Nat some rat jokes
to respond to your slogans :
" The W...House will turn Gray
if OB makes his way
and that for many Dems
will be Doomsday
unless many of them
decide it to be otherwise
go and cast a Wise vote
make it heard "no to the bad joke".
No anger, just Will to say no to Mister Money candidate. Sorry I don't think much of his money supporters.
Posted by: jane | May 6, 2008 7:03:01 AM
"Annie"
are you trying to imply that Senator Obama can't invest money into his children and their extra curricular activities? Whoa! The clintons earned over one hundred and nine million dollars!!!! That is after their White house years, I wonder what kind of priviliges their daugher had? Look, the writing is on the wall people! I will be glad when this is all over so Obama can beat McCain and begin his work in the White House!!!
Posted by: Angel | May 5, 2008 10:18:30 PM
JustMyObservation posts: oh, by the way…Rev. Wright and his body guards are on Hillary’s payroll.
OMG!!! This convinces me that people are not paying any attention to what is going on. Wright would NEVER aid Clinton! This would be against everything he has stated and stood for!!!
SOURCE PLEASE!!!
Posted by: Annie | May 5, 2008 7:05:13 PM
Belle Star writes:
Most of the county committees are full of people for whom "politics" is a social substitute for going to church, and whose political work consists mostly of serving as groupies to elected officials.
Belle... you post well. He is very scary. His brother and cousin scare the crap out of me and should concern everyone in this country... especially Christian church goers. Perhaps his followers don't care if "Christian" people, in Kenya are being burned ALIVE... women and children... burned ALIVE. Who cares, right? After all... Christians are infidel. We are throwing away everything our ancestors fought and died for... our country, our freedom, our choice to worship as we please, our rights, our future... all for the promise of change. Well... it looks like change IS coming! Maybe I should go into the asbestos suit business?
Posted by: Annie | May 5, 2008 6:48:56 PM
Foreign affairs lesson for Gnat:
Obama Gong Show:
7.) Because I lived in Indonesia, I have greater foreign experience and would be stronger on foreign affairs.
Barack Obama lived in Indonesia from when he was 6 until he was 10. At the time, Obama couldn’t even speak the language. Obama has also traveled to a few African and Middle Eastern countries but has no experience with the most of our closest allies.
GONG!!!!!
Maybe Gnat has lived in Indonesia, too.
Posted by: Jayhawk | May 5, 2008 6:47:32 PM
Jayhawk:
Thou are't well informed! Amazing... there ARE people who have the ability to think for them self and actually research the candidates. However... I have noticed that you can post the truth about the "perfect one" and it gets totally ignored. It goes to prove that those who support him don't care WHAT he stands for. From his brother and cousin in Africa... from saying if it came down to it he would go with Islam... from the repeated references to "typical white people"... to voting to keeping it legal to allow living babies to die... to back stabbing his colleagues to get his position... duel citizenship here and Africa... terrorist associations... to him and his wife like the majority of Americans... yep... most of us can afford over $10,000 a year in dance and piano lessons for our kids... and so forth! DUH! I WISH I had that kind of extra money. I would buy gas, pay bills and get groceries! Good thing he isn't related to Pinocchio!!!!
Posted by: Annie | May 5, 2008 6:39:51 PM
Annie writes:
"Thus trying to manipulate and influence the vote of the "gullible" educated masses. Thankfully, many people are catching on."
Hopefully some of the people catching on will go into the lower levels of the Democratic Party. Most of the county committees are full of people for whom "politics" is a social substitute for going to church, and whose political work consists mostly of serving as groupies to elected officials.
Many local committee members are appointed, instead of elected, though the law provides for election.
If county committees were active, we'd have a better class of superdelegates. As it is, the "party" in most places is nothing much, unless it's time for the masses to vote.
Posted by: Belle Starr | May 5, 2008 6:34:43 PM
No difference between HRC and McCain.
Both are wacky loose cannons.
Posted by: anon | May 5, 2008 6:31:43 PM
Yeah! Some of you are "seeing" through the scams and hype. The "convenient" delegates that seem to keep jumping on board, from "no where" to support the "great one" is very much suspect. I believe it has been pointed out that the Obama "campaign" had stock piled delegates. The support had already been pledged but the campaign would chose when to reveal those names... therefore making it appear like these delegates came on board just as Hillary won or made advancements. Thus trying to manipulate and influence the vote of the "gullible" educated masses. Thankfully, many people are catching on. If it sounds too good to be true... it's probably political!
Posted by: Annie | May 5, 2008 6:25:01 PM
All the Obama robots always said superdelegates shouldn't be figured into the race. Since many of the supers have gone over to Obama the Obama robots are gleeful. They like the supers. OH...only if they support Obama. That's like Florida and Michigan votes. If those votes had gone to Obama and they weren't going to be counted they these same Obama supporters would be rioting in the streets. Such a fair race isn't it? It's BS. The press wants to elect Obama. Media wants Obama. The people want Clinton. The blacks and college students (the majority) want Obama. What a mess. I pray Michelle Obama will never be in the White House. This family hates white people. The blacks are voting blindly for Obama for his color. He has no record except a liberal present one to run on, so it has to be his color. What a way to elect a President. Intelligent thinking?
Posted by: carolyn | May 5, 2008 6:20:23 PM
There's not a thing presidential about
HRC - she's a mannerless, tiresome boor.
Posted by: anon | May 5, 2008 6:19:18 PM
Religious lessons for Gnat:
Obama Gong Show:
6.) Barack Obama claims to be a Christian who never practiced Islam. Anyone attending a school where religion is practiced daily as curriculum probably practices that religion, at least temporarily. But, what if the same person was registered as a Muslim and kept that faith, until his wife made him convert, so he could run for political office?
GONG!!!!!
Time for evening prayers, Gnat.
Posted by: Jayhawk | May 5, 2008 6:17:59 PM
Jayhawk writes:
"Barack Obama said his grandmother as always been a Christian"
Yes, the "typical white person" who, with her husband, raised Scary Barry.
If granny was a "Christian", it's peculiar (and of course it IS peculiar) that Obama only became a "Christian" late in life, under the guidance of Reverend Wright -- since the religious education of children is one of the tenets of Chrisitanity. As it is, of course, of Islam.
Posted by: Belle Starr | May 5, 2008 6:12:15 PM
WAKE UP DEMOCRATS!! Divide and conqueror. Sound familiar? That is what the republicans are doing to the democrats right now. Its time the democrats clean up this campaign and unite as one. Obama is great as the first American black to have a real chance at becoming president. Hillary Clinton is a great woman candidate to become the first American woman president. It is time that both campaigns join together and run as one major force. This is what the republican fear the most. They both tangled and rumbled in a well contested fight. Both have something to make them proud. The same thing happened to Kennedy and Johnson in 1960. It happened to Reagan and Bush (Sr.) in 1980. Let's learn from the past and become one. After these two states there are only a handful on states left and none of them will change the results of the delegate count. Obama/Clinton 2008. Sounds good to me. If Hillary is serious about helping her party and the nation, then just as LBJ and BUSH (Sr.), she can do that as Vice-president. If all she really wants is a national health care program, I am sure that Obama will let her try and get one as Vice President. Somebody wins and somebody loses. Let's not make the mistake and let American lose as well by electing John McCain. IT'S TIME TO UNITE AS ONE!!
Posted by: Al | May 5, 2008 6:10:50 PM
The super delegates who pledged for Obama can certainly do so.
But under the circumstances, the timing of these announcements looks suspect.
I'm not sure it does anything to change the momentum that Hillary Clinton has, that Obama does not.
But, it does show a preference and it will truly be interesting to see how the S/D's justify staying with the weaker of the two candidates.
I think they're afraid, flat out.
Posted by: sherr | May 5, 2008 6:08:59 PM
More learning time for Nat:
Obama Gong Show:
4.) Barack Obama said his grandmother as always been a Christian. Well, that could depend on which grandmother and how you define "Christian". One of Obama's grandmothers recites daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own account. Also, we should probably mention, this grandmother was one of 14 wives to 1 man.
GONG!!!!
Maybe Nat can define Christian.
Posted by: Jayhawk | May 5, 2008 6:04:03 PM
H "obliterate" Clinton is just as insane as the Iranian madman.
Posted by: anon | May 5, 2008 6:02:31 PM
Time to learn more, Nat:
Obama Gong Show:
3.) Barack Obama says his family has strong ties to African freedom. Depends on how you look at it, but not quite. Obama's cousin, Raila Odinga, is credited with creating widespread violence in attempts to overturn a legitimate Kenyan election in 2007.
GONG!!!
Maybe Nat will go to Kenya.
Posted by: Jayhawk | May 5, 2008 5:58:14 PM
toby writes:
"axelrod probally have several more delagates stashed back, ready to spring them out when the bad news hit. Most likely after tuesday vote.
It makes you wonder how much these people sold their souls for."
Well, a couple of THESE guys are Chicago big-wigs, not exactly surprise support for protege Scary Barry.
Quite a few of the superdels, it appears, sold their souls long ago, and are just selling votes now.
Posted by: Belle Starr | May 5, 2008 5:54:37 PM
dwc
Obama doesn't have enough backbone?
what are you talking about...oh your "tough" candidate who can't even answer a single question during the entire primary about a single one of the pages of controversies that she has...
as ferocious as everyone has made her out to be ...it's all a lot of hype.
there was one candidate who handled everything thrown at him during this primary...and he wasn't a woman...and he wasn't a dangerous hawk...who has now given the terrorists their best recruiting tool with a stupid comment on obliterating Iran.
Posted by: dl | May 5, 2008 5:54:28 PM
More learning for Nat:
Obama Gong Show:
2.) Obama says his father Was a goat herder. Obama's father was from Kenya and may have grown up around a few goats, but he left there long before he became a goat herder. Such a correlation could also put an Obama at Bethelehem. Obama, Sr., was, in fact, a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
Maybe Nat was in Kenya.
Posted by: Jayhawk | May 5, 2008 5:53:29 PM
wasn't it four more delegates for Obama today. I might be wrong... but I think he gained four.
hillary is going to not only leave the party in shambles...leave the general less stable for us ...but she will be viewed very harshly...
she didn't have a very high ceiling in New York even...I do not know how she expects to get back in the senate enxt run.
she has destroyed her numbers with this primary.
Posted by: dl | May 5, 2008 5:50:26 PM
I'm voting against Sen. Durbin in my home state of IL next time he's up for reelection. I realize he does owe Obama some loyalty for being from IL, but since I can't vote against superdelegates other than those from IL, I guess that's the only way to make my opinion heard. I still hope the best person wins, and that is HIllary Clinton. Obama doesn't have enough backbone for the job yet.
Posted by: dwc | May 5, 2008 5:50:02 PM
Time for Nat to learn about his idol.
Obama Gong Show:
1.) "Selma Got Me Born"
Selma, what is that about? Barack Obama was born in 1961. As the events in Selma occurred in 1965, they had no effect on his parents choice to conceive or his birth.
GONG!!!!
Maybe Nat was in Selma.
Posted by: Jayhawk | May 5, 2008 5:49:44 PM
Jay: you must be a news man. You only told the first half of the story. They also said they are still backing him and that that was not the only reason they like him.
Posted by: Becky | May 5, 2008 5:48:58 PM
axelrod probally have several more delagates stashed back, ready to spring them out when the bad news hit. Most likely after tuesday vote.
It makes you wonder how much these people sold their souls for.
Posted by: toby | May 5, 2008 5:47:39 PM
Nat Turner writes:
"Still talking about Rev Wright, huh?"
Everybody's going to be talking about Reverend Wright for a LONG time.
Obamabot Chuck Todd, on Hardball today, reminded viewers of Michelle Obama's claim early in the campaign that Scary Barry intends to make only one run for the Democratic nomination (maybe that means he'll try the Republicans, next time?).
How full of himself can this guy be -- less than one term in the state Senate, less than one term in the U.S. Senate. In both elections, Obama's opponents got knocked off the ballot by his associates. He's KNOWN to be closely associated with mobsters, the Weathermen, has unsavory connections with Exelon.
WHY would DEMOCRATIC delegates endorse such a person, if NOT for the money he's spreading around? He has split the Democratic party, accomplished nothing special in either of his elective offices, etc.
Posted by: Belle Starr | May 5, 2008 5:42:02 PM
Obama Says Teamsters Need Less Oversight
By Brody Mullins and Kris Maher
Sen. Barack Obama won the endorsement of the Teamsters earlier this year after privately telling the union he supported ending the strict federal oversight imposed to root out corruption, according to officials from the union and the Obama campaign.
It's an unusual stance for a presidential candidate. Policy makers have largely treated monitoring of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters as a legal matter left to the Justice Department since an independent review board was set up in 1992 to eliminate mob influence in the union.
...how does that slogan go again?..oh yeah...."YES WE CAN...CONTINUE THE SAME BUSINESS AS USUAL POLICIES AND PRACTICES OF WASHINGTON D.C....YES WE CAN"..what a joke!
Posted by: jay | May 5, 2008 5:31:29 PM
Did you hear Hillary in Indiana yesterday saying she'll work as hard as anyone for Barack Obama WHEN he's the NOMINEE for the DNC?
***************************************
This is BS and more Pandering by Hillary. You know as well as I do she has no intentions of Supporting Obama now or in the future. She is in it to deystroy him not support him.
She bets that she can overturn the will of the people, and because of the Iraq War that we democrates will dutifuly follow along and support this this spinless Candidate.
She has not the moral authority, or courage to lead this nation.
She is a wimp, and spineless Panderer
Posted by: Thinking | May 5, 2008 5:29:24 PM
Speaking of "behind-closed door" deals and "back-room" antics...keep an eye and ear out on the upcoming news on the Teamsters endorsement of the candidate...this only the beginning!
Posted by: Jay | May 5, 2008 5:25:11 PM
If you think "Wright" is all that "they" have on Obama, you better brace yourself...the "children under the stairs" will soon begin to see the light of day, and the squeeky-clean imge of your candidate will soon be forever tarnsihed..don't forget all the shenanigans and behind-closed-door dealings that he's done, or were you thinking he was above that? after all he is a poitician from Chicago, isn't that one of his "stakes to claim"? What a joke, "same ol' politics", "same 'ol business as usual"!!.....
Posted by: Jay | May 5, 2008 5:17:00 PM
There is difference between perseverance and stubbornness. Clinton is just Stubborn.
Posted by: voter | May 5, 2008 5:14:19 PM
len:
What "thug tactics" on this list are you referring to?
While I believe that the Hillabeans supporters and repugnants on this list have been far more rude and crude than Obama supporters, there are few posts that I would call "thuggish."
Either you are oversensitive or delusional. Of course, I don't recall seeing your name on these boards often, if at all, so perhaps you are just throwing that out there to see if it'll stick. The republican/bush mantra of, if you tell a lie often enough, it becomes the truth!!!
Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!
Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | May 5, 2008 5:12:35 PM
Nat Turner writes:
"Let a real man handle this country like it needs to be handled."
Ooo! Macho, huh? How about John Edwards, who played football in high school.
Posted by: Belle Starr | May 5, 2008 5:10:01 PM
Hillary Clinton is an ELITIST. She has become like The Pied Piper of Hamelin...where uneducated voters follower her without question...not realizing that she's driving them towards the abyss.
Oh, by the way…Rev. Wright and his body guards are on Hillary’s payroll. Months ago, Hillary was looking for a few hired guns and she found them. Two weeks ago, witnesses shared that James Carville was seen passing an envelope filled with $100 bills to Rev. Wright. The meeting was held in a local diner a couple of days before Rev. Wright was to meet with Bill Moyer.
Now that the hired guns of yesterday have done her dirty work. Obama looks pretty bad, voters are loosing trust, and Hillary’s coming out smelling like roses.
Posted by: JustMyObservation | May 5, 2008 5:08:20 PM
Well, Independent,
Part of what you write is accurate, but the rest leaves out quite a bit.
Hillary Clinton has plenty of negatives as do any politicians who have been part of the process for any amount of time.
So does John McCain.
But, negatives are not a characteristic peculiar to Obama. Obama negatives are a plethora waiting for the RNC.
A simple Google of Obama produces pages and pages of negatives associated with the man, his past, and his ultra-liberal agenda.
And, it's not a question of whether Hillary Clinton will run as an independent. She will not.
However, the candidate Obama, his campaign, his positions, and his supporters have produced conditions that will result in mass defection from the Democrat party.
I know, because I was a Democrat for over 34 years--until now.
Posted by: Jayhawk | May 5, 2008 5:05:54 PM
Independent writes:
"All they have on Obama is Rev. Wright."
Don't count on THAT. Unless the Weatherman leadership really WERE running interference FOR the Republicans -- not impossible by any means -- there's always Ayers and Dohrn (and now Tom Hayden and Jane Fonda), and however many mobsters turn out to be on Obama's plate when Rezko gets done.
AND whatever-all still hasn't become known about Obama's Columbia days, old girlfriends, church associates and the like.
Obama's "post-partisan" bleating, which seems to have so disarmed McCain, probably won't go far with whoever the REAL Republcian nominee turns out to be.
Posted by: Belle Starr | May 5, 2008 5:00:29 PM
TO: DemocratsUnited.
====================
You know as well as i do,"democrat"
it doesn't mean you belong to a solid political party.Democrats are a group
of different individuals under one
umbrella.
There are:Reagan democrats,right wing
democrats,middle democrats,left wing
democrats,progessive democrats,
conservative democrats etc.
If we have a nominee who,s ideology or
the color doesn't represent the majority of the so-called democratic party,them the group splits in different
directions.
That's exactly what's going on with
Obama.He cannot unite the party.
....And that's the true.
They don't tell you...i just did.
Posted by: NIcholas | May 5, 2008 4:58:54 PM
Bill Oreilly,Rush and Hannity are from the same political family: the FoxNews republicans. When Karl Rove told Oreilly to ask a real question to Hill the Bosnian General, he said that is a very intelligent question and he will not ask it. Wake-up democrats the political game is clear from the republicans side. God save America from Oreilly, Hannety, Rush, FoxNews and McCain. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.
Posted by: BKMC | May 5, 2008 4:55:11 PM
Obama wins....
Asian will be happy.... (the whole country of China)
Africans Will be happy ..... ( the whole Country of Africa)
Whites will be Happy.... ( the whole country of Russia )
Everyone around the world will be Happy cause OBAMA is going to Sell-Out Our Country.........
He is a BLEEDING HEART LIBERAL........
He wants to save the world......
He will Sell U.S. OUT.
Posted by: carpenter.nyc | May 5, 2008 4:50:09 PM
If you want to claim that one Dem or the other is a better candidate, fine, but if you go so far as saying that either would be a worse choice than McCain for President, you need to have your moral compass recalibrated.
Both candidates agree:
No to the Iraq War
No to tax breaks for the wealthy
No to dependency on foreigh oil
No to the Bush war on our civil rights
Can you honestly say you'd rather have four more years of Bush than either of these Democrats in office? Seriously?
Posted by: fontapa | May 5, 2008 4:49:48 PM
Some of the logic on these forums is simply amazing. For instance, If Hillary loses the nomination and runs as an independent, she'll win the election. How? If half the democrats vote the democratic nominee as well as many unafilliated and independents? The other half of the democratic party votes the independent candidate, Hillary. That leaves the entire GOP voting for McCain. Using very loose math that looks like:
25% Obama
25% Clinton
50% McCain
Pretty sure that's not a victory. And all this nonsense about who can win the general election. Obama has pulled punches and shown respect to a member of his fellow party. For that, he is called weak. Don't we have a word for that? Friendly fire? He says he will not be so kind to McCain if McCain wants to dance. Both McCain and Hillary have loads of baggage. Much more than a single man, Jeremiah Wright. Obama doesn't feel the need to attack a teammate. Come general election, Hillary will be blasted constantly. There are so many things the GOP can bring out. All they have on Obama is Rev. Wright. Truthfully, I won't be too upset if Clinton steals the nomination because then the GOP will bring all this to light making her look foolish as well as all her followers who refused to admit she has faults and stole the election.
I'm sorry, I meant to say any act of aggression toward the GOP would be met with an "Obliteration" of the democratic candidate. I figure I would put it in words you could understand.
Posted by: Independent | May 5, 2008 4:47:28 PM
God Bless America if this no Experience bumblehead Obama wins .....
Our economy will Tank.
Our Foreign Affairs will Tank.
Our Country WILL TANK.
Look at Chicago. What Has Obama REALLY done while he was there.... other than to vote Present.
This guy was a STATE Senator, then only became the U.S. Senator for 1 year.
What are we doing electing this NOVICE to the MOST POWERFUL POSITION in the WORLD.
HAMAS WILL BE DANCING IN THE STREET....
AFRICA WILL HAVE THEIR HAND OUT.....
CHINA WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD......
And Obama will be sitting pretty with Millions in the Bank ( International bank of course--- as he will bring U.S. down.....)
Posted by: carpenter.nyc | May 5, 2008 4:45:23 PM
@Dean Lerner,
I agree with you.
O'Reilly asked her very tough questions but she passed the test.
O'Reilly said he knows she's done lots of good things in NY.
Posted by: blue Irish | May 5, 2008 4:44:33 PM
Anyone posting here about boycotting the Dems if their candidate doesn't get the nomination needs to read the next post up, on the Iraq war vet suicide issue.
I told my wife a long while back that I wasn't going to be partisan, because Obama, Clinton, and McCain were all good choices for the presidency. When McCain continued to endorse an endless war in Iraq, and then endorse the criminal tax breaks for the wealthy, and many other Bush issues, I began to break my promise to her.
I got so intense, I began to hate Hillary, because I was so concerned that she'd lose to McCain. This article above reminds me that while my convictions in supporting Obama still stand, there was a higher purpose to the passion behind this debate.
That higher purpose still stands. In short, I don't care if Barney Fife is our nominee. We MUST NOT LET THE REPUBLICANS CONTINUE THIS WAR!
If you're a primary voter, vote Obama, but when the nomination is done, either way it turns out, you must do the right thing. You must put a Dem in the White House and end this monstrosity.
Posted by: fontapa | May 5, 2008 4:44:03 PM
Becky is this true she will leave the troops ??????If it is she needs her hear examined>>>>>>>
Posted by: older wh lady | May 5, 2008 4:42:47 PM
Can't you just hear it?
If Barack Osama was to make it to the White House and the economy completely tanked:
"The economic policies that were in place before I got here are to blame.
Not me!
And, then there was the Clintons.
But, you just have to believe in this change!
We shall have to have new taxes, many more new taxes.
And, we can then add more taxes.
And, more taxes.
And, now, Reverend Wright, would you please pray for us?"
Posted by: Jayhawk | May 5, 2008 4:39:17 PM
And your point Jake? Where is all this support for Hillary?
I have seen spin before, but it used to come from the Campaigns, not the media.
Obama is still gaining in supers and has took the lead from the members of congress.
ABC is putting on the full court press for Hillary.
Posted by: Thinking | May 5, 2008 4:38:01 PM
TO Nicholas: If democrats lose the general because Obama is the nominee, it will not be because of Obama's supporters. It will be because Hillary's supporters did not vote for him. You will have only yourselves to thank if he (a democrat) loses.
Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 5, 2008 4:36:31 PM
Reality check:
If Obama gets the nomination we gonna
have 4 more years of Republicans.
I wonder if the democrats will
ever learn their mistakes.
No utra left wing liberal ever won the
white house.
Posted by: NIcholas | May 5, 2008 4:33:34 PM
Lookup 4:19:40,
Good comment.
Maybe McCain would order them to go to their rooms and blame themselves.
Posted by: blue Irish | May 5, 2008 4:32:45 PM
This protracted race is bad, bad, bad for Democrats. The supporters of the losing candidate will be cranky and vindictive--it is basic social psychology in cognitive dissonance--you love your choice more and derogate the other choice, especially if the initial differences are quite small.
I think all superdelegates should make their choice known by June 5, and we should be done with it. The democrats need time to heal and react against the republicans or they are so-o-o-o screwed in November. The loser supporters will be less likely to vote for the winning democratic candidate and the independents will think democrats are a bunch of whiners.
Posted by: Dan the Democrat | May 5, 2008 4:32:26 PM
To LOOKUP:
Because Angelou's endorsement of Clinton is old news. That has already been reported on. The hanks endorsement just came in. That is not being biased, that is reporting news as it happens!!!
Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 5, 2008 4:32:05 PM
Who is more electable in the General against MC CAIN ?
This is not a matter of beating Hillary--- it is a matter of BEATING MC CAIN !
Obama will go down.
Look at Kerry.
Look at Gore ( I miss him )
Look at Dukakis......
Now take a good look at Obama NOW.....
He looks just like the past Democratic Noms.... We Will LOSE if Obama WINS....
Posted by: carpenter.nyc | May 5, 2008 4:31:00 PM
Oscar Meyer writes:
"Obama is truly the Jackie Robinson of politics."
Not EVEN: in baseball, you can't make it to the majors just by screwing with the other players' paperwork.
Posted by: Belle Starr | May 5, 2008 4:30:33 PM
Doug Wilder must be posting under the name "Democrats United."
The only thing missing was a call for rioting in the streets.
By the way, I was a Democrat for over 34 years.
Just like many of the majority who refuse to vote for a far-left, radical liberal of any color, I am now an independent.
After August, the Democrat party may be so small that the candidate who wins won't be of any consequence.
That's the change that you can believe in.
Posted by: Jayhawk | May 5, 2008 4:30:14 PM
If you want a Democrat to win in November all you have to do is wait till Nov. If you want the new president to be a change from Bush, you need Obama.
Clinton will practice the old kind of international politics with confrontation, bluster and no negotiation. Haliburton will still be a heavy contributor to the new president. When Obama says change he means the return of sanity to the White House and negotiation where possible and armed intervention where necessary (Afghanistan).
This year we do not have to settle for dirty politics as usual and another low performing president. We can have real leadership with Obama.
Posted by: Ron M | May 5, 2008 4:29:39 PM
Another "superdelegate" for NObama... TOM HANKS! ABC posted a clip of him on the opening page... Smashing! Just ONE day before the primaries.. Very very interesting.. How come ABC did not mention the letter that Dr Maya Angelou wrote to Hillary?!?!?
Posted by: Lookup | May 5, 2008 4:29:01 PM
Because of all you Obamabots --- we will NEVER get a Democrat in the White House.
Posted by: carpenter.nyc | May 5, 2008 4:25:09 PM
Teleprompters for McCain? Get serious!
Have we forgotten how badly Barack Obama got hammered in the last debate?
Have we forgotten that Barack Obama is now afraid to ever debate Hillary Clinton?
Perhaps we should just let the chickens roost for a while.
Posted by: Jayhawk | May 5, 2008 4:24:13 PM
McCAIN loves Obama.....
McCAIN knows if Obama gets the nomination he"ll have easy ride to
white house.
Posted by: NIcholas | May 5, 2008 4:22:38 PM
How many of Hillary's superdelegates were "add-ons"?
Posted by: Rob, Indianapolis | May 5, 2008 4:21:10 PM
Obama is truly the Jackie Robinson of politics. Breaking a barrier while being a class guy even though, the Republicans will try and spike him and his own Democratic teammates--the Clintons--refuse to accept him.
Posted by: Oscar Meyer | May 5, 2008 4:20:10 PM
If Obama gets the nomination and does not win, as many beleive, in November, guess who the angry Obamabots will be blaming? Hillary... Just like their leader, they always have to blame someone for something...
Posted by: Lookup | May 5, 2008 4:19:40 PM
This title is MISLEADING.
Why can't you ask if Hillary's superdelagets are going for her fast enough?
Posted by: voter | May 5, 2008 4:16:39 PM
No!!!!!!!!, Obama has picked 4 supers today, and that does not include 3 addons from illinos
Posted by: Nob | May 5, 2008 4:15:49 PM
More superdelegates are standing up because they are afraid of repercussions .. if you know what I mean.. We cannot anger the black community. That's the plain truth. At this point I don't care if Obama gets the nomination. I'm not gonna vote for him. Either Hillary or McCain.. And numerous polls have shown that the majority of Hillary supporters will NOT vote for NObama either.. so I have only thing to say to all those superdelegates: don't make a boneheaded decision.. lol
Posted by: Lookup | May 5, 2008 4:14:17 PM
The lack of understanding some people show for the process amazes me sometimes.
The facts are quite clear. Hillary Clinton leads in the popular vote - I know that you Kool–aid drinkers don’t want to count Florida and Michigan - maybe you all had the same Marxist professors Obama sought out in college - but you see, in America, we count all the votes - The votes in those 2 states were certified by their respective Sec. of States. The DNC has no power over them - they can simply deny the seating of those delegates at the convention - until the credentials committee rules on their status. - it’s just that simple - and I know yo