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House Majority Whip: 'I Don’t Believe That There Is Any Way That She Can Win the Nomination'
May 10, 2008 9:08 AM
House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., tells The New York Times that the "tipping point" giving the Democratic presidential nomination to Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was "reached around midnight last Tuesday. I could tell the next day, when I got up to the Capitol, that this thing was going to start a slide toward Obama.”
And then he said -- cue clap of thunder -- “I don’t believe that there is any way that she can win the nomination.”
He is still refraining from endorsing anyone, Clyburn said, but he added, “I think everybody for the good of the party needs to find a graceful way of bringing all of this to a close.”
- jpt
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The dirty little secret that the Democratic Party doesn't want anyone to know about the Democratically controlled (Do Nothing) Congress:
George W. Bush has an abysmally low favorability rating - the lowest it's ever been. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. We all know that. So???????
Guess who's favorability is lower?????
That Democratically controlled CONGRESS!
(Theirs comes in at 22% even lower than Bush who's at least in the 30's).
Posted by: Reagan Democrat | May 12, 2008 12:21:17 PM
It is indeed sad that this political contest has come down to these issues, gender, age, race, media bias and dirty, corrupt, politics. And of course, Obama would not be ahead if not for these issues. It has absolutely nothing to do with character or policy issues. Just dirty politics--Chicago style and it may be going to Washington.
Posted by: Mary | May 11, 2008 5:31:43 PM
Charlie Chaplin, I'm concerned myself that the media will turn around and attack Obama with the same ferocity that Clinton was attacked, if he is the nominee. I think the splintering between the two groups of supporters has been supported by media to a certain extent.
Posted by: kathy | May 11, 2008 11:56:36 AM
Who needs corrupt politicians like Jim Clyburn for support. CBS reporter Shryl Atkinson did a very revealing expose on this shady professional politician from South Carolina. Who needs Jim Clyburn? May be Obama, and for sure, not Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton running strong everywhere! Now, Obama folks are running scared having manipulated many a caucus with small groups of zealots. Obama has not won a single battle ground state! He’s been propped up by the big media for so long; the plan was to rid of Hillary Clinton, because she was the stronger candidate. She's still running strong. She's 43 points over Obama in WV. Obama was mouthing "change" but he has always been the darling of big media and the corporate candidate. But the people in this country are behind Sen. Hillary Clinton all the way! Look, conservative political writers David Brooks, William Kristol, Robert Novak and others who were promoting and pulling for Obama and condemned Hillary Clinton are now turning back to McCain. All that was a big media ploy to defeat Hillary Clinton and but these guys are just about ready to poke a big hole in Obama’s presedential balloon!
Sen. Hillary Clinton should run as an independent candidate for president in the fall--I bet she can defeat both Obama and McCain. This would be like Sen. Joe Lieberman who lost in the democratic primary, but won in the general election! She could also get 80 million in public financing. Bill Clinton won a three-way race in’92, remember? Dump the creeps in the corrupt DNC!
Let’s hope and pray for Independent Hillary for 08!
Posted by: charleychaplin | May 11, 2008 9:58:13 AM
I tried reading all of the comments...lol...
simply put, history tells us that a nomination process that has not been decided before the convention = a loss in the GE for dems.
this is why she should leave. nothing personal hillary, but at this point if w are to win in november then this phase of the nomination process needs to end now.
Posted by: david barton | May 11, 2008 9:31:12 AM
Vote and it would be the decision. Who are" they", if You are alos among them.
Go and vote.
That would be the Word, not gossip.
Are these Super Adult people, who can make desicion, or kids, waiting for parents to make it for them?
Posted by: LINDA,FL | May 11, 2008 8:49:46 AM
Bobbi:
The truth is President Clinton was a successful Govenor for 12 years before he became, undoubtedly, the best President in modern day history.
He was also the first President to reach across party lines to get many effective legislation passed with the cooperation of the Republicans.
Obama is not only inexperienced in his views and thinking, but he crumbles under even the slightest pressure. He is hiding behind the support of many misogynysts who can't stand the thought of a woman taking the highest office in the land. Similar men are also responsible for Obama's early victory in caucus states that helped him amass pledged delegates. These men were relentless in their pursuit of anyone they can find to get to the polling booth. Unfortunately, many of these voters weren't the working class (all working class, not excluding African-Americans) that make up the majority of the population of America. They were often the well-to-do, non-hourly paid workers who could get off work any time of day, did not have to worry about childcare, were not the elderly who simply could not show up at a certain place and a certain time to caste their vote.
In view of the above, not only is Hillary Clinton hands down the legitimate nominee but also the victim of a seriously flawed Democratic nominating process which you will see change as the years go by.
And let's not forget that the same amount of people voted for them so far -- less than 2% of the total separates them.
Posted by: Jane | May 10, 2008 11:07:47 PM
Word on the street is that Obama may either nominate Hillary or Larry Sinclair as his veep.
Posted by: Alison | May 10, 2008 9:10:16 PM
Thomas,
Admit or not, Obama won't go anywhere without Clintons' help...
He will be in a death valley in GE just like Al Gore and John Kerry...
Posted by: True Truth | May 10, 2008 4:31:56 PM
Unfortunately, the black man is correct. It is inconceivable that the dems establishments will not choose Bo to be the dems nominee.
Even more unfortunately, the Bo is unlikely to win the general election because of his problems with "rural America".
Posted by: fat cat | May 10, 2008 4:27:52 PM
I have never seen a candidate get such BRUTAL treatment in the media than I am seeing Senator Clinton and President Clinton are getting.
There are 6 contests left. These states have not voted in an undecided primary in over 40 years.
I take it the media could care LESS about that. All they care about is making headlines and harassing Hillary Clinton?
How about you pieces of garbage in the media have some class and just let the woman finish the contests ?
Its 3 stupid weeks. Its not the end of the world. The media is becoming petty and is hurting the democratic party.
Forcing Clinton out with snide articles aint going to bring the party together. I can tell you that.
Posted by: tomdavie | May 10, 2008 4:24:00 PM
Bobbi,
Let me tell you why I won't vote for Obama:
1. Obama offered no solution how to end the War in Iraq. He claimed he would withdraw troop immediately but his advisor admitted he had no concrete plan... He just repeated his old anti-War speech and played blame game while offered nothing to solve the problem!
2. Obama claimed himself he represented a new politics but just in this campaign he double talked NAFTA, lied about Rezko, dumped his pastor to gain his own political advantage, played race card (admit it or not), backed and fundraised by the same old lobbyists who he claimed against...
3. He is a quiter but a fighter: he ran away from debates, he admitted he could not win PA, he couldn't win WV and KY so he even would not compete in WV...
4. Of course, he claimed he got the most foriegn experience because he lived in foriegn countries more than other candidates....
To me, he is just a same typical politician from Chicago - the most infamous political city with the largest political fixing scandal...
So you tell me how I or Americans will unite behind a quiter with the same old political character...
3. Obama lied about his relationship to his pal Re
Posted by: True Truth | May 10, 2008 4:20:00 PM
I think folks trying to force Clinton out of the race is hurting the party.
It angers the 15 million Clinton supporters even more, not to mention the last states who want to vote.
Posted by: tomdavie | May 10, 2008 4:07:56 PM
fontapa,
Again, if you were a Democrat, if you were an America, you know Bill Clinton is the president with highest approval rating (70%) in modern time..
Even Obama's surrogate tried to compared Obama as Bill Clinton 2008...
It is OK you dislike Clintons (that is your right), but you can not deny the fact!!
Posted by: True Truth | May 10, 2008 3:46:04 PM
Then... as a superdelegate make your endorsement.... as a strong leader let everyone know that the 'white special kind of voters' that Clinton now says Obama can't win that she can has calculated its importance on old school... we have new voter demographics-unprecedented-thus nothing she says about the past ways to win this thing in November is even relevant anymore. Why she lost.
Posted by: origood | May 10, 2008 3:43:03 PM
fontapa,
Were you better off in 2000 compared to 1992? Maybe you are too young to remember...
It is the fact: America was better off in 2000 than in 1993...
You may not agree or dislike all the controversies but you can not deny the fact!!!
Posted by: True Truth | May 10, 2008 3:42:09 PM
Bobbi,
Yes, you may remember all those controversies. But as an American, you should not forget we had achieved no debts for our country with billions of plus by 2000.....
You may not agree with all those controversies but you can't deny America was better off by 2000 compared to 1992...
That is the fact and you can't deny the history!!
Posted by: True Truth | May 10, 2008 3:35:38 PM
I remember the Clinton years--shame, disgrace, corruption. Yeah, those are some fond memories.
Oh yeah and a little thing called NAFTA, that was outstanding for the economy. My town lost 2 factories to Mexico. Bill Clinton left a fantastic economic legacy to my community. And I am so grateful to Hillary for getting that Health Care reform passed. She really proved she can get it done didn't she.
I think some folks need to take the rose colored glasses off. The Clinton years were anything but Golden.
Posted by: Bobbi | May 10, 2008 3:26:50 PM
sandy,
Of course Obama fit his suit mighty fine: it is empty suit - it would fit for any size of Obama!!!
Posted by: True Truth | May 10, 2008 3:26:45 PM
sorry True Truth - I happen to think Senator Obama fills his suit mighty fine! :)
Posted by: sandy | May 10, 2008 3:22:10 PM
There are really to many Republicans passing themselves off as Hillary or Barack supporters. This only to get the dems fighting among themselves so as to forget the real important issues. I guess this is the continuation of operation chaos, this is pitiful that a great party such as the Republicans must resort to trickery, lies, distortion to salvage a party devoid of ideas that are needed by America.
Such as abortion rights, an end to the Iraq war, Healthcare reform, economic and energy plan,Education, honest governance and a plan for the future
Don't believe the hype!!
Dems o8
Posted by: jld1959 | May 10, 2008 2:47:25 PM
Sorry, USmarine0331 - the nomination is Senator Obama's not matter how you try to rationalize it any other way.
Posted by: sandy | May 10, 2008 2:40:32 PM
Mary - LINKS to your assertions, please. Rev. Wright, Ayers, and Rezko will not sink Obama's nomination. If they could, they would have already. But a look at Hillary's unsavory backround, the Paul vs. Clinton connection, Obama's unsurmountable lead in pledged delegates and his pull-ahead in superdelegates, does not bode well for Hillary. It is great that you support your candidate so strongly, but reality must be faced sooner or later.
Posted by: sandy | May 10, 2008 2:14:01 PM
IT IS OVER...as far as the primary goes. Obama needs to concentrate on mc-more-war. Did anyone she how upset they got when Obama said he was losing his bearings? Age is an issue. Why do you think pilots have to retire at age 60? So it looks llike Obama wins in a landslide this fall... Obama 2008!!
Posted by: pt | May 10, 2008 2:13:27 PM
Who cares what Jim Clyburn thinks? LOL
Posted by: andrea | May 10, 2008 2:10:44 PM
Rhys,
I have been following the blogs very closely, and I have seen outrageous posts by supporters of both Democratic candidates. But that still does not answer the question of why you feel Senator Obama is responsible for the anonymous comments posted on a blog? Your original post stated that this has changed your opinion of him, and I don't see how that is fair. Shouldn't Senator Obama be judged by what HE says and does?
Leelee07,
If this is the way you "speak" when you are not angry, then remind me to never make you mad! j:)
Posted by: Nobodys fool | May 10, 2008 2:09:26 PM
I think that there has been a change in this race since last Tuesday.
Obama not making a run in WV and KY, the sudden change in tone from the Clinton Campaign, is telling us something.
Both Campaigns are saying this thing is over.
Posted by: Thinking | May 10, 2008 2:07:19 PM
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter - it is difficult to ignore someone who is as biased as you are even though I do try. However, you make it easy to come back because, I swear, you live on a parallel planet, not Mother Earth. You must watch parallel TV as I am hearing and seeing commentary that gives me a miuch different perspective then yours does.
Bishop - a link please to your assertion that Obama is going to use Portland to stake his claim to the nomination.
Posted by: sandy | May 10, 2008 2:06:12 PM
I supported Hillary from day one and will continue to support her all the way to the White House. Go Hillary! Yes, you will!
Posted by: andrea | May 10, 2008 2:05:44 PM
Uncommitted Democratic superdelegates in Congress overwhelmingly say they won't necessarily back the presidential candidate who wins the most primary delegates. Instead, electability will be very important in their
decision.
Of 42 lawmakers interviewed by The Hill, only four said they regarded the primary vote as decisive.
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008 2:05:39 PM
Going back into retirement is starting to look better and better to Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton hiatus from retirement and hitting the campaign trail is wearing thin.
Posted by: Lookup | May 10, 2008 2:02:32 PM
sandy,
Neither HRC or BO have enough pledged delegates to become the nominee. The SD will have to decide. I don't pay much attention to SD's until they actually lodge their vote. Endorsements do and can change. That is the histroy of the Democratic Party. Note, when Ted Kennedy ran in the primaries against Jimmy Carter, Ted Kennedy entered the convention with a little over 1,200 pledges to Carter's 1,900. Did Ted Kennedy cede the nomination? No, despite the huge disparity in delegate numbers, Ted Kennedy took it to the floor and even tried to get the DNC to change its rules there at the convention!!!
This race is really close.
Posted by: countallthevotes | May 10, 2008 2:00:59 PM
ok the other half that have voted for Hillary
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008 1:57:27 PM
Sandy It is not a dream and we shall see.
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008 1:55:27 PM
if you cant stand the heat get out the House Hillary
Posted by: eugene | May 10, 2008 1:52:33 PM
Bishop - it would be nice if your dream for Hillary became true, but it is not reality. With her loss in NC and less than a 1% 'victory' in IN, she would need to win 70-30 in KY and WV to gain any delegates on Senator Obama's advantage. if she does not win by those margins, Hillary would need to win the rest of the primary states by 90% of the vote. That is not going to happen.
Posted by: sandy | May 10, 2008 1:52:31 PM
The New News from ROFLMAO is
NO ONE HAS WON YET TO THIS DATE NADA NO ONE is that stated plain enough.
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008 1:52:21 PM
KY and WV will help Clinton and they also make it clear Obama can't close so going around trying to force Hillary out acting like you are already the winner like Bush did in 2000 makes most Democrats see RED get it!!!!!
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008 1:49:20 PM
KY and WV want help Hillary Clinton in no way.
Fl and MI may count at the convention but not at this point because the two renegades state violation the rules of the game and 2209 is out of the question? If the Clintons can't play by the rules they should move away from the table.
The Clintons want to make-up the rules of the game as they play the play?
Posted by: Lookup | May 10, 2008 1:44:09 PM
When Hillary wins WV and KY does well in OR and wins PR gets a flood of super's like Obama has been doing guess what never say never
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008 1:41:45 PM
Countthevotes,
So you say Gore and Kerry lost because they opposed the Clintons?
All the more reason to vote againmst them
Posted by: Thinking | May 10, 2008 1:35:58 PM
Barack Obama has planned a party to claim the nomination in Portland, based on his own campaigns measurement. He can say whatever he wants, but it's an insult to intelligence to believe it until it happens by the rules. As Howard Dean has said many times, MI and FL are going to be resolved and seated. Obama has now agreed with that position. Like it or not, the working number of delegates is 2209. There's not a rule that says if you get a plurality of the pledged delegates, you win.
The Obama campaign will declare that there's never been a candidate denied the election who had the most pledged delegates. True. But has there been a candidate denied the nomination whose had the most votes? I don't think so. But neither of those metrics matters. 2209, or whatever the number is after the resolution of MI and FL happens to be, is all that matters. Until then, we don't have a nominee.
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008 1:34:27 PM
Beachnan,
Many of us started believing that there were 57 states because according to Senator Clinton, all of the "big states" count twice! lol
P.S. Folks really, really need to lighten up a bit . . . NONE of us are perfect, and our next President won't be either, let's go ahead and accept that now, okay?
Posted by: Nobodys fool | May 10, 2008 1:33:15 PM
Bishop,
If you check further you will find that many of the uncommitted in MI belonged to Edwards. He had enormous support there from labor!! He also lobbied there for his supporters to vote uncommitted. In all, Obama is estimated to have gotten far less than half of the uncommitted votes. That was estimated based on exit polling.
Further, the explicit lobbying by Edwards and Obama for the uncommitted votes was a direct violation of the 4-state pledge. The remedy for the violation is supposed to be forfeiting of your delegates.
Posted by: countallthevotes | May 10, 2008 1:33:10 PM
Wait-we can't call this election until all 57 states have voted. As Obama, stated in Oregon yesterday, he has been to over 57 states so far, all but 2-Alaska, and Hawaii. Will someone, please, please tell me, why anyone would vote for someone who doesn't even know how many states there are in the United States. I am one, Democrat, who has never voted Republican, but I will, if BO is the Dem nominee. No, it's not race stupid, it's because he is not ready.
Posted by: beachnan | May 10, 2008 1:30:07 PM
Charleychaplin - Senator Obam blew a line - better a line then threatening to bomb Iran. Both Senator Obama and Hillary are exhausted and it is beginning to show on both of them. However, I do not jump on every gaff that Hillary makes.
Posted by: sandy | May 10, 2008 1:24:55 PM
Leelee07,
If you think that Joe Scarborough is in the tank for Obama, you have not been watching TV for the past month.
Spin all you want, but the simple fact is the Obama campaign emphasizes how much Americans have in common. The Clinton campaign emphasizes how much we are different.
That does not mean that the Clinton campaign is racist, but it is a hallmark of the divisive style that has been the hallmark of Senator Clinton's managment style.
And THAT is the real elephant in the room. Senator Clinton (and many of her supporters) have the exact same "with us or against us" style that was the hallmark of the Bush years. Sorry, but I've had enough of that.
Posted by: Nobodys fool | May 10, 2008 1:24:00 PM
countallthevotes no disrespect but it seems you are all over the place. One thing is clear you are on on baord with Obama for president. I can totally respect that. :)
Fatigue has set in on all of the candidates for sure. I am talking real talk. Ronald Reagan did not make very many public appearances during his second term
I have grand children and I want things to get better for them during their lifetimes and I take this campaign very seriously. I am a democrat but if I thought for one minute a Republican was best suited for the job I would vote for that individual.
I really hope the American people stop being swayed into fighting a fight that they can not win.
The war in Iraq was just that kind of fight and a Republican tried to finish what his Republican father started. The true losers hera are the American people and the American economy. The election stuff is very serious to me. senator Mc Cain is not my personal choice, have at it that is what you believe.
Posted by: Lou | May 10, 2008 1:23:20 PM
Lou - 'gracious and delicate' are not words that Hillary's supporters seem to comprehend. I believe'slash and burn' would be more appropriate.
It always amazes me about how Hillary's supporters say they will vote for Senator 'Senior Moments' or write in Hillary's name. I am a strong Obama supporter, but if I had to vote for Hillary, I would in order to prevent another Republican from taking the White House. I would have to hold my nose and turn blue in order to check Hillary's name on the ballot, but I would do it just the same. From reading the posts here, it appears that Hillary's supporters are not as gracious.
Posted by: sandy | May 10, 2008 1:20:56 PM
We all know tha Ted Kennedy is responsible for Mary Jo Kopechne's death. Another corrupt, guilty Obama supporter! Wow, can rich get away with anything?
Posted by: oldgirl fromedgetownMass | May 10, 2008 1:16:36 PM
CICI you are determined to ruin this country with distructive thinking. Are you an American? What do you think this kind of destructive suggestion will accomplish. Senator Clinton or Mc Cain, this tells me you are trying to overthrow the will of the American people with alternative destructive choices.
I surely hope that no one takes your suggestion. WOW!
Posted by: Lou | May 10, 2008 1:14:42 PM
@Bishop: Good for you for working on her behalf and supporting her financially. I agree that she should stay in as long as she likes, or until she formally loses.
Posted by: MIguy | May 10, 2008 1:12:42 PM
In the new today- can you guys believe that both McCain and Bush are publicly against Virginian Democrat Webb's legislation to reinstate the 'GI Bill'- the college assistance benefits for our returning veterans, similar to what we had after WW II? How disgraceful is this? HIlary and Barrack wholeheartedly support it the legislation. How damaging will tis be in the national election unless the so-called 'war hero' candidate, Sen McCain, flip flops again and claims he was always for it, and since he is a 'war hero', no one should question his judgement. McCain wants us to continue the fruitless Bush war in Iraq that continues to cost us in lost US lives and lost billions of $$ that could be used to help America at home during a recession brought on by the never-ending war. I ask you this- who on earth in the Democratic party could in good conscience vote for MCCain in November, because they are mad at Obama and his supporters? Only adolescents think this way. That's why our mother's always told us, "don't bite off your nose to spite your face". Time to grow up people. According to McCain's mom and Rush Limbaugh, even the Waskily Wepublicans plan to hold their noses to vote for McCain. You Hilary democrats want to do the same?? Why??
Posted by: rco | May 10, 2008 1:09:37 PM
Third parties fail because most Independents are independent-minded and do not want to be pigeon-holed into any one ideology. Then there is the money aspect too.
Those of you who "support" Senator Clinton are asking her to commit political suicide by leaving the Democratic party. I also love the McCain-Clinton campaigners as that ticket would give John McCain the best chance of losing his base. (I didn't say "losing his bearings" or "losing his marbles" but those would also apply if he chose her.)
I am not trying to insult you or Senator Clinton; please vote for her if you are so inclined. But it seems that the angst about her potentially losing is directing some of you towards absurd suggestions that do not benefit her. If she plays her cards right, she could end up a very powerful figure in government and last there much longer than Senator Obama.
Posted by: MIguy | May 10, 2008 1:03:59 PM
Hooray for Sandy!!! You hit the nail on the head!! I feel bad about the in fighting between democrats. I also think it not healthy for Senator Clinton and former President Clinton to keep selling wolf tickets to their supporters.
I voted for Bill Clinton both times and I was going to vote for her until I started to listen to what Obama was saying. I know he will at least try to CHANGE some of the old politics with new and creative ideas. I now say "YES WE CAN" Vote Obama 2008.
Senator Obama is trying to be so gracious and delicate with Senator Clinton and she pushes forward without a chance to succeed?? Why??
Posted by: Lou | May 10, 2008 1:00:18 PM
Well Gee Aston, McCain picked him.
I thought it was all about, judgement, who we associate with, What governments we can deal with, who we can talk to. Etc.
Personal attacks against me will not solve your apparent problem.
Obama08
Posted by: Thinking | May 10, 2008 12:56:24 PM
Folks are still up in arms about Michigan? Few if any of you live here. Our state leaders made a gamble and a huge mistake, yet you blame Senator Obama only. And Senator Clinton who cares so deeply for us, only after she started losing, rejects the recent compromise plan from our state leaders to seat Michigan's delegates.
So stop with the phony-baloney nonsense. You are not fooling anyone but yourselves. And don't worry, the delegates will get seated in some form or another.
Posted by: MIguy | May 10, 2008 12:55:57 PM
I believe that Michigan and Florida delegates should be part of the convention, but they both violated the DNC rules. Florida's elections process has been under scrutiny for a few years. Bush-vs-Gore that was a tainted result no matter how you slice it or dice it.
Their elections system needs to be corrected. some of their results have the appearance of corrution so that is not saying the people are corrupt, I am suggesting the voting system needs to be corrected.
Posted by: Lou | May 10, 2008 12:50:53 PM
Thinking
Yeah -- a convention manager's past is certainly worth jettisoning one's intelligence. You should change your name!
Posted by: Aston | May 10, 2008 12:49:23 PM
The choices on the November ballot will be Obama and McCain. If the Hillary supporters won''t vote for Obama and they vote for McCain out of spite or abstain from voting , then they will be responsible for at least four more years of Bush policies, maybe eight. But in all fairness, if by some miracle Hillary is on the ticket and the Obama supporters do the same thing then they will be just as guilty of causing the same catastrophe. The world can not afford another Republican president at this time.
Posted by: concerned Dem | May 10, 2008 12:42:35 PM
Lou,
Nice that you beleive that, but I see Obama as the most politically polarizing person in my lifetime. That takes in class, race, age and gender.
Watch what he does, not what he says. "Only words," remember.
Posted by: countallthevotes | May 10, 2008 12:41:07 PM
Hillary can still win by the rules Obama has not won at the end of the primary's the super del which is the worst thing I have ever heard of will vote and pick the nominee so King Obama should wait or go beat her in ky.
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008 12:39:34 PM
Sorry I got a bad case of typing flu. :)LOL
========================================Dear countallthevotes, I really have been a democratic voter for many elections and I have never seen a woman or black man create so much excitment.
I beleive that the Obama appeal is his background and his platform to work with ordinary Americans. He understands what prejudice is and he didn't grow up to have everything, but his single mother gave him the tools and support to work. I believe he wants to "Unite" people and energize them as equals and that is truly a new dynamic. I believe he will work for all the people and that is a very important part of being Commander and chief of the greatest nation on earth. I am proud to say I went into the california primary booth to actually vote for Senator Clinton because I knew who she was and out of nowhere I voted for Obama, a light went on in my head in the voters booth and I couldn't forget his theme "CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN". I thought for a few more seconds about some of his campaign slogans and things he brings to the table, so I voted for Obama. I think all Americans need something to believe in and someone who understands the human condition before political fallout.
Posted by: Lou | May 10, 2008 12:29:06 PM
Dear countallthevotes, I really have been a democratic voter for many elections and I have never seen a woman or black man create so much excitment.
I beleive that the Obama appeal is his background and his platform to work with ordinary Americans. He understands what prejudice is and he didn't grow up to have everything, but his single mother gave him the tools and support to work. I believe he wants to "Unite" people and energize them as equals and that is truly a new dynamic. I believe he will work for all the people and that is a very important part of being Cammander and chief of the greatest nation on earth. I am proud to say I went into the california primary booth to actually vote for Senator Clinton because I knew who she was and out of nowhere I voted for Obama, a light went on in my head in the voters booth and I couldn't forget his theme "CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN". I thought for a few more seconds about some of his campaign slogans and things he brings to the table, so I voted for Obama. I think all Americans need something to believe in and someone who understands the human condition beofre political fallout.
Posted by: Lou | May 10, 2008 12:26:14 PM
Dear Leelee,
Are you suggesting that black people should not run for elected office until white people feel more comfortable?
Surely not.
Posted by: Nobodys fool | May 10, 2008 12:25:58 PM
The Clintons don't do graceful.
Posted by: Nobodys fool | May 10, 2008 12:24:05 PM
Lou,
If the man can’t change the Church who hates American so much and keep going for 20 years. I am wonder how can he change America?
Posted by: stock_craft | May 10, 2008 12:21:10 PM
The only "Change We Can Believe In" is that Obama will continue to affect race relations in a totally negative way. He has already set it back by about 40 years and he has not been even elected yet! ROFLMAO!!!
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!'08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 10, 2008 12:20:02 PM
Many people think that the Dem Leaders, the gang of four and some of Dem super delegates are deaf or blind because they don’t want to hear the voice of Florida, Michigan voters or watching the reaction of majority Dem voters in big states. But I think they are jealous and selfish. They really don’t want to make the black voters angry which will hurt their political career in the next election. They would scarify the White House to GOP rather than their own benefits.
Posted by: stock_craft | May 10, 2008 12:15:51 PM
Lou,
I respect your position but have to state what is this "new dynamic?"
I have never seen the Democratic Party so polarized in my life! I have never experienced such racist comments in my lifetime and all for not supporting the "black" candidate. I have never heard such sexist remarks lodged against a female candidate. I have never heard such overtly age discrimatory positions in my life.
That is the "new dynamic." I lay this at the feet of Obama and his supporters.
Posted by: countallthevotes | May 10, 2008 12:14:56 PM
Um, Jim - Democrats did not vote for Bush.
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!'08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 10, 2008 12:12:06 PM
All I can say is that if anyone was stupid enough to vote for George Bush twice, their opinion of Obama is worthless. Your insults of Obama should be taken as praise....
Posted by: jim | May 10, 2008 12:07:51 PM
countallthevotes, bishop and others -
I just tried to send a donation and email about the voter suppression to Hillary's site and did not get through. I will try again later, although I am sure that she probably already knows. The only thing I can think of is that we email/contact/call/blogs enmasse specifically at right-wing sites because they most likely will be the ones to raise a hue and cry about this. I have two screens up on my computer now and I am reading these posts on one and posting on the other. By trying together, we may get something positive to happen.
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!'08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 10, 2008 11:54:10 AM
WHY CLINTON SUPPORTERS WILL CAVE ...
The liberal wing of the democratic party has a campaign in mind that will paint McCain as Satan himself. Moderates will give it all up and move to the left in fear of Armageddon. Be prepared for Obama (aka Soetoro) surrogates to wage vile attacks while Obama keeps his nose above it all and occasionally denounces his spokespeople.
The scheme will work.
Posted by: A | May 10, 2008 11:48:25 AM
rco women are age have all kinds of clubs and some are on here right now but are just watching from the wings to bad that you all have been such asses to them .We have been getting the word out.
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008 11:44:21 AM
rco,
The only thing I can say to you:
You wish!!!
Admit or not: Obama won't go anywhere without Clinton's help!!!! That is the Ace in Clintons.
Posted by: True Truth | May 10, 2008 11:39:57 AM
MANNY....
The word is OBAMA is their PUPPET.
AXELORD has PROMISED all these scumbags--that Obama is going to be the perfect clueless PUPPET for all of them to have influence over.
simple as that...POLITICS 101....Even Rev.Wright knew it.
Posted by: carpenter.nyc | May 10, 2008 11:37:36 AM
LeeLee07,
I just emailed the DNC about the Obama calls in WV and KY. I suppose the DNC does not care since they did not care about the votes in MI or FL.
Note, how Obama wants to end the race at the first moment his SD count reaches HRC. She should have declared herself the winner months ago, based on that!! LOL
Posted by: countallthevotes | May 10, 2008 11:37:14 AM
Clyburn is creepy!
Posted by: randmcneil | May 10, 2008 11:33:38 AM
Clinton her fanatics remind me of the movie "Dead Man Walking" Like the guy in the movie, she's still walking but not for long. The door ahead in NOT the entrance to the White House. Hillary's presidential asperation is a "Dead Man Walking". And, she won't be back in 2012, ask Kerry, Algore, Mcgovern, Humphreys,etc.........
Posted by: MohairSam | May 10, 2008 11:32:04 AM
I guess the people who promote class and race every day now want it not to be talked about .
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008 11:29:33 AM
You better read that page before you turn it.
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008 11:26:11 AM