Political Punch

Jeanne from Michigan: Using the football analogy both Obama and Hilary are on the same team, so the voters are like head coaches that are responsible for selecting the best team to play each week. Hence, Hilary should QUIT because it is obvious she doesn't cut it. The real game will be between MCCAIN and OBAMA. I know the truth hurts!

Once again, Mike Huckabe shows true class and what a compassionate and insightful person and politician he is. This is a man that we so badly need in Washington. I hope the GOP does not underestimate the value of Huckabee's stock because, if they do, they will be losers!!!!

tomdavie is right. everybody needs to cool off... she's not going to commit political suicide; she's just positioning herself the best she can. at this point, it's pure politics. if you're candidate won then good for you and be a good winner. the other candidate will likely end up VP or Senate majority leader. there's details to work out (like money) and it would be silly for Senator Clinton to drop out before May 20th.

Quote from UK by Sarah Churchwell: "The media and the blogosphere, delighting in their sporting shredding of Gore's electoral chances in 2000, helped pave the way for the disastrous US administration of the last eight years. If the media enjoyed dismantling Gore, their pursuit of Clinton has been blood-sport." THE MEDIA GAVE US BUSH AND NOW THE MEDIA IS GOING TO GIVE US OBAMA. I'm sure you all have the stomack to take on this responsibility for the next four years.

Huckabe only had 200 delegates and he didn't drop out until McCain FULLY had the magic number. McCain showed class and he will again in NOVEMBER when he wins!

Just saw a flock of pigs flying over with "Hillary" banners !

This is Boring...

Not enough "hands-on" thrills ...to aptly sum it up "Opinions are like fannies, everybody has one !"

Thank God for Hillary and Bill. Sincere, honest and hardworking couple. Please vote the Clintons for a third term, they deserve it, it is their birthright.

I remember Mike Huckabee! Didn't he run for President?

MY VOTE IS TO A P.O.W.WHO SERVE HIS
COUNTRY NOT A JOHNNY COME LATELY
WHO USED HIS CHURCH FOR HIS POLITICAL
GAINS.

why does a republican always have to school the democrats? Once again, republicans fall inline, democrats fall in love!!!

Hillary has a large number of supporters who claim they won't vote for Obama for one reason...

Hillary has gone out of her way to convince her supporters that the reason she's losing and will eventually lose is because Obama has stolen the election.

Every time he wins, it's somehow undemocratic. She comes up with a new theory every week for how she can win by changing the rules.

When people point out her newest gambit or flip-flip (i.e. Michigan and Florida) is against the rules, she claims they're saying that because they want to steal the election.

Hillary has busted her back to convince you that her failings and lack of electability are due to a vast LEFT WING CONSPIRACY designed to steal her rightful nomination.

That's why people hate her these days, and that's why we say that she's destroying the party.

She's thrown Dean, Gore, Kerry, the DNC, MoveOn, African Americans, Caucus states, small states, and just about everyone else BUT those who voted for her under the bus. She even ENDORSED John McCain, for pete's sake!

She may well have once deserved the nomination, but that hasn't been true for a long time, and she's working her way up to DESERVING a nice retirement from politics.

Omentum and Fontapa: I hope Hillary runs as an independent, so she can break up this orchestrated democratic party for Obama.

If Obama is so qualified and the candidate of the people, than why in the latest survey taken after the Indiana and North Carolina primaries, 40% of Hillary Supporters said they would not vote for Obama if he were nominated.

They would vote for McCain.....Yet, Obama supporters would vote for Hillary by 70%.

i am proud sen. clinton was compared to annie oakley, annie oakley was a great american-who never stopped fighting, she did have trouble once from a young upstart who tried to slander her name-randolph hers. and his newspapers with the help of the young upstart tried and for a while succeeded in tearing down annie oakley. she contiuned to fight. herst. had to appol. to annie oakley and the young upstart disappeared, never to be heard from again.
young upstart-msm of the day on her side
turned the public against annie oakley
annie fights
annie wins.
the stories are so ironic and it is just great for obama to hav compared sen. clinton to annie oakley.
also to me, it just shows obama lack of precious american history.
annie oakley is a legend
and i am sure sen. clinton was proud to be compared to her.
he thought he was being smart and cute and all he did was showed how inexperienced and young he is.

There is ZERO doubt in anyone's mind that if the roles were reversed, Mr. Obama would have been forced out of the race.

In fact, back when he was up by 200+ delegates, had won 12 contests in a row, and was outfundraising her 3 to 1, if their roles were reversed, the whole party would have come together and shoved him out.

The only reason she's still in this is because she's Hillary Clinton.

Sure, it's her right to keep running. However, nearly every candidate who's ever gone for the nomination has shown the decency to step down once it became even remotely clear they couldn't win and were dragging the race out longer than neccessary.

That's on both sides of the aisle, folks. Even the vicious Republicans are more capable of doing the right thing for their party than Hillary "Me First" Clinton.

Clinton supporters, if you like her so much, you should have encouraged her to drop out. Staying in is hemorhaging her political capital by the minute. She'll be lucky to get a town council seat after this fiasco.

To Mary: Get a life and stop knocking Michele Obama. She is better than you and you know it and resent her for it. Stop putting words into her mouth, making it seem as though she is unpatriotic. Tell the truth, you don't want to see Blacks in the whitehouse or anywhere else. Get ready. They will be President and Mrs. First Lady with or without you. Go on with your McCain/Hagee loving self.

i don't care what he was talking about
it shows his lack of experience and tact to say punished with a baby.
i have a friend who has a son now around 18years who was a product of rape. she has worked and loved that child his whole life.
women-mothers do not get punished with babies-but the larger point is his inexperience, he was talking off the cuff and didn't have a scriptwriter to tell him not to use the term punished with a baby.

Has anyone else noticed besides myself, that when Michelle Obama is giving her little rallying speeches for he husband, that she is literally "Preaching" at all of us.

Go away, you ungrateful American. You are not my mother or my teacher.

You are just an ambitious, evil-looking woman!!!!!

To all of the Obama haters, if McCain wins the GE, get ready for even higher gas prices, sluggish economy, more wars that America can't afford. If Obama wins the nomination, great, if Hillary wins, great. I don't care which Democrat wins the nod. Anybody is better than that old white man.

well mary, it could also be said
obama does not exibit as wright, because. as i have told my black friends, obama has not lived the black american experience that most blacks his age have. and it is a slap in the face that he should come along and tell the black est. to get lost, you way is not valid, it will be my way now.and the black people just flock to him like sheep. and think him being in the white house is somehow going to make their lives better. the one think all working class and poor people nee is economic change. and obama with his far left thinking friends are not going to do that for them. that is not their way. i wll not be suprised to see a revamping of the welfare dept. and food stamps, and other dependent on the state programs. except in healthcare.
but you know what, sen. clinton would have gotten healthcare for all. she failed the last time. and she has had a lot of time to work on it and get it right. healthcare for all is not an obama fight. actually, do we know of any cause for the american people obama is passionate about making happen? I can't think of one. well just one, he is passionate about having the american peoploe crown him as president.

staniam

I am an independent. I could never, in good faith, call myself a Democrat because of crap like this. The Democratic Party will lose the White House (AGAIN) because they love to fight more than they love to win. I watch this election after election.

You are right staniam, we do need another Party, one that isn't paranoid, racist, dishonest, self-involved and devious.

remember obama said if one of his daughters made a mistake he would not want her PUNISHED WITH A BABY

i agree with you mary.
all a show-planned from beginning to end.
that is why he cannot answer questions off the cuff, and why he cannot think on his feet.
and our country is about to suffer, who know what, but we the working class will soon find out.
we may find out sooner rather than later why sen. clinton was fighting so hard to win this. being as smart as she is she must know what is coming down the track for the working class.

hey, buck,
i think obama should not let hillary campaign in the fall for him?
do you agree?
she should go back to the sen. and get back to work.
under no circimstances should obama let bill or hillary camp. for him in the fall.

There would be no objection to her staying in the race if she were honorabler. But in football and basketball, when players commit flagrant fouls they are kicked out of the game. If the whole team does such things they forfeit the game. Now Her Hillariness has been playing as dirty as a skunk in a mudhole. That hurts everyone. She needs to have her dirty racist game sent home -- to wherever her home really is!
This old white hard working American is tired of her unAmerican ploys. Let's drop her before she totally obliterates us with her filth.

If Hillary Clinton's name does not appear on my ballot in November, I will write her name on my ballot. Under no circumstances will I now or ever vote for Obama. I do not trust him; I do not believe he truly will do "for the good of the Nation" and I cannot stand his bitter, no-pride in America wife. Further, his loyalty comes into question - when Wright got going; Obama left. He really had no loyalty to his minister or his grandmother. What makes you think he has any loyalty to white Americans? Read his books, draw your own conclusion.

We must have fortune tellers in here

mr. joe,
the difference between sen. clinton and geo bush, is sen. clinton has a brilliant mind, knows politics-and geo bush does not.
i would equate obama and bush.
obama will be a sleeper.
he has become the best candidate money can buy. he will owe so many favors to the dem est. and his handlers. working people like us will be way down on the list of people for him to thank. and we will not like the way he will thank us.

this is all an elaborate plan to make loopholes in the current laws of the nomination process by BO not Hillary and he has won mainly in Caucus states but out of 34 million votes cast in the primary season only 1 million came from the caucues how does that jive?

Jeanne from Mich

your newfound optimism will be short lived BO will barely win the nomination and will not win the GE u need clinton peopel and will not get them go start a more liberal party of your own you are not mainstream Democrats!

I just want to put this out there. Isn't it the white blue collar non colledge educated types that propelled Bush into the white house? Now look at were we are when those people have the full say in things. War crappy economy high gas prices No jobs bad enviromental policies. These are the same people that are backing Clinton. I'm not going to be too hard on them because I belong to this group but I voted for Obama. Also I live in Montana. The thing that bothers me about Clinton is her eye is on becoming president thats it. The ends justify the means for her, fake southern accents, a gas tax holiday. I know she knows it won't work. The problem is she's a very smart lady and she makes herslef look like an idiot when she says stuff we all know she doesn't belive in just to get elected. its BS and you all know it. P.S. I didn't vote for Bush!

you have read both their plans, and you are still for obama?
if you really are a working class a-a
i wonder why you are for obama.
how do you think obama has been a help to the black community, the clinton's have done more to help the black community and underserved people in general. not just blacks.
i will list if need be-but mind you the list is long.
obama's ?

"clinton has been trying to level the playing field for working class blacks for years. where was obama?" Jgaw could you support this statement with facts. Listen carefully, for the Clintons a good black woman/man is the one who is in the back seat and keeps quiet. That is what was reflected in SC and in PA. Can black people fight for themselves and not wait for Hill the Bosnian General to fight for them? Your kind of mind set dimunish a whole race, please avoid them. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.

pattylou,
it is because the a-a working class people need to feed their families and have healthcare,and affordable college that that should have listen to who had the real solutions and will to put them into place-that they should have voted for sen. clinton.
the a-a working people have been duped.
with the helping of obama hope and change chant-they are helping him-but he will not do much for them.
they should have gone with clinton.
clinton has been trying to level the playing field for working class blacks for years. where was obama?

SJ,
Wake up! You don't think that the code words "blue collar, lunch bucket" workers voting for Hillary is not racial? Why is that when Caucasin Americans vote for other Caucasin Americans just because of race folks don't see it that way? Get this, most A-A are also in that "blue collar, lunch bucket" group and are just as concerned about feeding their families and healthcare as the next guy. Please don't play A-A for lacking a brain. That's what Bill did and why Hillary doesn't have the A-A vote.

Hillary, you are brilliant. There is no doubt about it. It is time for your sacrifice. Let Obama be the nominee. it is time for change. It is time for new politics. God bless Hillary. God bless Obama.

So when does Huckabee het his own talk show? (for conservatives that aren't mean and nasty)

The "Fat Lady" will sing soon!

Obama all the way!

Leading in a Presidential Primary does not mean you can win a GE, yes Obama is leading am not saying he is not.

The question I wanted to know is which candidate has the greater risk of losing votes over to McCain in GE for whatever reasons, racial bias, baggage, inexperience, or whatever hang ups voters may have, to me leaving out Clinton is going to cause the democrats to lose this election.

Losing Hillary or pushing her out or whatever it is some of you would want the DNC to do is running the risk of throwing away this election, that is the problem facing the DNC and am very sure some of the SD are very aware of this and will have to think seriously about what they do, one bad call and its over.

Sen. Obama is in no better situation than John Kerry or Mike Dukakis. He has still a long way to go. If you include Florida nad Michigan even longer! But everybody in the media is exagerating Sen. Obama's win in North Carolina. If Sen. Obama is the Democratic nominee, it would be a big mistake for the democratic party! I am sure the Republicans are going to make Rev. Wright his running-mate in the fall. Having not won even a one major state during the primaries, including California, New York, Texas, Massachusetts, Ohio, Florida, Michigan and now Pennsylvania, how can Sen. Obama be a serious front runner? He manipulated the caucuses with small groups of zealots; but they are not in play for the presidential election, Mr. Obama is going to find himself stuck! Our media is wrong to ignore the power and the importance of Latino vote; especially in these 08 elections, the largest minority in the country; a much larger than the black American vote. The Washington media establishment is misleading the country just as usual─ now cheering for Barack Obama are the same people who took us over the cliff in Iraq. Sen. Clinton was able to bring back the Reagan Democrats back into Democratic Party fold, which I think is a huge accomplishment. Sen. Clinton has shown growing support across the demographics, except among African Americans, who have voted mostly for Sen. Obama in overwhelming numbers. But with the solid support from women and Latinos, working Americans and older voters Sen. Clinton is best able to defeat Mr. McCain and the Republicans in the fall. On one on one match ups in many critical states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Michigan, shows that Sen. Clinton is much better-stronger candidate. Mr. Obama’s coalition that giving him the primary victories are the same that gave the nomination to John Kerry. Without winning the major battleground states Pennsylvania and Ohio, Florida and Michigan Sen. Obama is unlikely be a strong candidate against Sen. John McCain. The best chance of winning the White House for the Democrats is still with Sen. Hillary Clinton.

It seems to be a no win situation. Romney dropped out in February, "for the best interest of the party" and all can read, on the blogs, the huge criticisms he gets for jumping ship. It doesn't matter what a person does or the reasons they do it....there will always be critics.

A John McCain/Hillary Clinton dream ticket will terminate Obama political life in this November absolutely. Anyway, both of them have many things in common although they serve different Parties.

SJ:

You say no one's made the argument that Obama is needed to heal the party, but many have said Hillary should drop out and help beat McCain.

Please tell me the last time the person who was leading in a Presidential primary dropped out. Find an instance. Just one.

Obama is winning the primary by every conceivable metric - delegates, "popular vote", states won.

If he's unelectable, why is he winning? Supers are being asked that question, and are asking themselves that question. There is no good answer - for Mrs. Clinton, anyway.

Come on. You're better than this. Argue for Clinton - but the electability argument has ZERO traction now.

Wrong the AA voter are voting for a black man like themselves, they are voting along racial lines and it has nothing to do with falling out of love with Bill, who wants to make an excuse that race for the AA is not a factor they can, but deep down inside you know that it is.

Obama supporters want Hill out because deep inside the are afraid that something else will come out on Obama.

Yes they run around supporting him but they are not sure if there is something lurking there that will pop out, so what is the best thing seal the deal quickly just in case, then if news break they can spin it to their favor.

All it would take is one bad press day and that is it for Obama, McCain would be set as president. A scream did Dean in, a medal did Kerry in, a Internet gaff did Gore in, so it wont take much to sink Obama.

SJ,

A Democrat cannot get elected without a strong turnout among black and young voters. The black vote in particular has been the largest reliably Democratic voting block for over 30 years. That's why the party will not overturn this verdict (short of Obama imploding). Doing so would guarantee a loss in the general election.

The truth is that either Clinton or Obama could win back the other's supporters, as long as the decision is seen as fair. A big part of that is the loser showing grace in accepting the result and then vigorously campaigning for the winner.

The dream is over folks, there is no way to spin it any other way, time to move on, it will take all of the dems to pull together and win, not just Barack or Hillary, wake up!

The MSM is burying the lead on this one over and over again. Clinton lost because she threw away the AA vote. WHY?? All of my AA friends were for her 100% last year. They spoke fondly of Bill, said they would vote for her because he was so good to them. What the heck happened?? They didn't bail on Clinton until Bill threw them under the bus in South Carolina. What kind of campaign strategy is that?

"Someone should tell Senator Obama that being President of the United States is entirely about “character”." Absolutely false! If it were true, Bill Clinton would never have become president. Character issues were front and center during his campaign and throughout most of his presidency, yet he won, became and remains one our most popular political figures.
Being president is about the ability to lead, build coalitions and get things done. This is why Obama is succeeding. It appears that he has these skills because he has already demonstrated some of them. In contrast, Clinton relies on divisive, confrontational politics, pitting one group against another and manufacturing pseudo controversies. It reminds me of what some people do in "dysfunctional" families. Those who stir things up, press hot buttons and get people emotional and confused so they can emerge as powerful "peacemakers". We can't afford that kind of theatrical politics anymore.

@Rob like you have not notice if this was a GE against Obama and Hillary, Obama would of lost.

So I will ask again does the DNC need Obama to heal the rift in the party, between the two of them which candidate has the bigger potential to cause the DNC to lose votes over to McCain.

When you figure that out you will know who is the better candidate to help the DNC win this GE.

I have a little sympathy to Hillary. She has been over-confident right from the beginning. She thought her Presidency was ready wrapped for her, so long she was the first lady and the recognised Senator. That was totally wrong.

She did not take in her mind that it was a competition, not the show! We all people learn from mistakes we make, and I hope she has learnt a lot!

Anne. Once it became clear that Clinton had enough steam to make it to june 3rd, the republicans have NOT pressed any new story about Obama.

The fact he practiced black liberation theology in his church for 20 years is a swift boat they are saving for the general election.

They only wanted to wound Obama enough to extend the primary.

The Obama campaign dealt with it by using Wright as the scapegoat for the whole thing, and within the confines of democratic voters, so it looked like it didnt hurt him.

Saw a bunch of 'pundits' yesterday SHOUTING out how Obama 'weathered' the Wright storm and could 'take a punch' blah blah blah.......

I was cracking up.

Very clever.

Wont work.

Pattylou,

Yes, strategic voting by Republicans did give Clinton her margin of victory in Indian, but your numbers are a bit off and it was happening on both sides.

Clinton won Indiana by 1.1%, and exit polls show that roughly 6.5% of her voters plan to vote for McCain over her in the Fall. Those exit polls also show that about 2.2% of Obama's voters would do the same against him. So, cutting out the strategic voters and adjusting the scale would make Indiana an Obama victory by roughly a 3 point margin.

The more important point, however, is that Clinton's numbers have been increasingly inflated by strategic Republican votes since the Republican contest began winding down. It started in Texas and Ohio, and has steadily increased since. Oddly enough, those same strategic votes have been coming heavily from working class white voters, giving her a larger proportional bump in that bracket. Mind you, she would probably have won those demographics without the bump, but her margins would have been smaller.

Okay, let's put it this way, she can't even beat Barack, so how is she going to beat McCain, time to move on! she tried, this is nuts....

So its over but yet they need her to help win over the voters and help Obama win the GE, I wonder if it was over for Obama would the DNC be needing his assistance in getting voters to heal the party to help Hillary win the GE?

I don't think so, with that being said it just goes to show Hillary is a lot more electable than Obama is. I have not yet heard anyone make the argument that Obama is needed to heal the party, but they sure go on daily that Hillary should drop out now and help beat McCain.

Folks, it's over, she needs to step down and bring the dems together and try and win in the fall, stop kidding yourselves, the numbers are not even close any more, I voted for Hillary but it's time to move on and beat John M.

I grow really, REALLY tired of hearing people whine "You need our votes, so play nice while we slam your candidate!"

True, Obama can't win the general without the support of Clinton voters. But, pray tell, how do you expect Clinton to win without Obama voters?

Clinton backers make the assumption that Obama's voters will naturally line up behind Clinton, whereas the reverse is not true. This assumption is dangerous on both sides.

The process should go on. If Obama is so great let him get the total pledged delegates he needs. Right now there is no proof he is so awesome. Just the opposite. Why did he lose Indiana if he so great?! And don't forget he also lost Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Texas. And you care to count them also Florida and Michigan. Obama is a highly flawed candidate and I hope we don't get stuck with him as president of the United States.

I have a hard time stomaching Obama's claim that he had no idea what his pastor was saying. Hell, even Oprah demonstrated better judgement than Obama and left the place over a decade ago in the 1990s.

Oprah '08

And we Clinton supporters have a hard time believing barack Obama has such piece of garbage supporters like you who come to this blogg to do NOTHING ELSE but put Hillary and Bill Clinton down.

I really have a hard time stomaching Hillary's; "If we ran this election like the Republicans, I would already be the nominee.

A.)You signed off and acknowledged the rules prior to beginning the campaign, so if you wanted to win by Republican rules then run as a Republican.

B.)That statement is akin to saying: If more people voted for me, I would be in the lead.

If Pigs could fly........

Did Hillary really win Indiana? Let's see 2% over Barack but the news media show a 7-11% Republican Limbaugh crossover who specifically came in to spoil and voted for Hillary. I'm from Indiana and I personally have heard of 2 people who did this. I admire Hillary and want her to have a gracious exit but let's move on to the business of winning in November.

I always like Mike Huckabee. But then again I am a democrat who is also pro life.

Dont worry folks. Hillary is staying in to drive up voter registration in West Virginia and Kentucky.

Obama and Clinton will stump there, but will not take shots at eachother. Its almost like free advertising for the general election.

I would be VERY surprised to see Clinton and Obama say anything but nice things about eachother on the stump from now on.

In fact, I would bet on the fact thats what she told the super delegates yesterday.

You can snicker all you want over Hillary, but you guys are going to need the millions of votes that she got if you want your candidate this GE.

So continue have fun with this in the end Hillary is not going to have to face the questions of why the democrats could not pull off a GE.

Hee hee!! I love the football references everyone makes to keep her in the game. In football, the loser doesn't get to say "hey ref, I lost in points, but I did really well in the fourth quarter, so I won, right, right???" This really is the silly season!!