Political Punch

Earl, you wrote: "...have you tried to purchase gas lately..."

You think the price of gasoline is high now? Should Sen. Obama become president, the Democrats will not only raise the federal tax on gasoline $1-$3 per gallon, but the $15 billion windfall tax that Sen. Obama wants to levy against the oil companies will result in less supply (the oil companies will have less income to explore, drill, produce, refine and distribute oil products). And when supply goes down, prices go up.

Earl, you also wrote: "...what do you think is responsible for the economy the way it is..its the Republican policies of war and low taxes for the rich..."

Where in the world do you get the idea that the rich have low taxes? The top 1% of the nation's wage earners account for 39% of the total income tax revenue. The top 5% of the nation's wage earners account for 60% of the total income tax revenue. The top 25% of nation's wage earners account for 86% of the total income tax revenue; and the nation's top 50% of wage earners account for 97% of the total income tax revenue.

Wolf: If Senator Clinton is so bad why was she re-elected for a second Senate term? You know, I don't know ANY politicians who can perform miracles. However,if anyone can, it would be Hillary Clinton. You should have my Senators..I would give them to you with money attached for taking them away.

What the Democratic Party has done and is doing to the Clintons is shameful. The superdelegates were put into place for just this type of situation: to make sure the Party puts up the best person to challenge the opponent. The Party votes are split almost 50-50. The supers are saying they can't do their job because they can't take the nomination away from the African-American and the Black supporters of his candidacy? Not all Blacks support Obama. What about the half of the Party that supports Clinton? What about former Obama supporters that have changed their minds? What about voters in Florida and Michigan? For the Democratic Party to ignore the fact that Hillary Clinton is the most seasoned and vetted candidate, that Hillary Clinton has served her Party well for 30 plus years, that Hillary Clinton has a very limited number of years left to endure the rigors of the Presidency, that she is the candidate who can best stand up to John McCain in November, that Hillary Clinton has as much if not more of the voters behind her, then the Democrativc Party is stupid. I will not vote for Obama, the face of inexperience and unanswered questions.

If Obama and the DNC were truly honorable, they would not so cavalierly be willing to disenfranchise the voters of MI and FL because of a party rule (note: not a law, a rule). If those elections were held today, HRC would win those states. Obama and the DNC have not spoken up for those voters because they wish to deliver the election to Obama. I'm a lifelong Democrat, but if this is how the party acts after trashing the Republicans in 2000 over the FL vote, then I will sit home in November or vote for McCain. At least, he is an honorable man.

If Barack Obama is truly the "uniter" he claims to be, he will prove it and choose Hillary as his running mate.

Then, each can be deployed to the parts of the country where they connect best with voters, and create the biggest landslide win for Democrats in the last I don't know how many years.

Kennedy and LBJ didn't get along. That shouldn't be the criteria. Winning should.

If Obama picks someone else because it is his perogative, heaven help us. We'll probably see Bill Richardson on the ticket. And that won't help at all.

Lots of people who don't like Obama love Hillary. Why ignore the stats that show two very different Democrats out there voting? Put Hillary on the ticket and it will be a blow out in November.

Dear Eyes Wide Open:

I wish to invite you some time to my region of the country. It's a place with soaring unemployment and ranked first or 2nd in the nation for highest taxes. We are also noted for being one of the most polluted regions in the country and are rife with corruption, having just watched our governor resign amidst a national scandal...

...why do I mention this? Because I live in Hillary's senatorial state of NY. The state, she promised to help fix --- and then ignored, when she no longer needed our votes.

This is what we would have gotten with Hillary as our President. Nothing. Her experience is not the kind we need in this country.

Earl, you wrote: "One who would respond the same way to a heavily white area that may be hit by natural disaster as he would to a black area that is hit(remember Katrina and George Bush's response?)"

To imply that the fed's response (and specifically President Bush's response) to Katrina was race related is nonsense! Katrina and the aftermath were made worse because of the incompetence of the first responders. FEMA is NOT the first line responder.

Katrina was a disaster because: (1) It was the nation's worst natural disaster! (2) Mayor Nagin refused to order mandatory evacuations (in spite of repeated requests to do so by the feds) until it was too late; (3) Mayor Nagin allowed both the Superdome and the convention center to be evacuations centers without providing supplies and security (IT WAS NAGIN who left tens of thousands of evacuees stranded to fend for themselves); (4) Gov. Blanco blocked every attempt by the feds to take control of the situation, including sending in the National Guard until after the fact, and it was too late. (5) By the time the situation was handed over to FEMA it was total chaos.

Had the Louisiana and New Orleans local responders done their jobs -- as the local responders did in Florida, Alabama and Mississippi -- the recovery efforts would have been much smoother. All Mayor Nagin and Gov. Blanco had to do was to order immediate evacutions on Friday (Katrina hit Monday morning). The National Guard could have been called in -- on Friday -- to operate the 3,000 school buses (that just sat in the flooded baseyard) to evacuate people out of New Orleans.

The blame does not belong on FEMA, and more specifically President Bush, for what happened to New Orleans during Katrina and the immediate aftermath. The blame falls solely on shoulders of Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin. Granted FEMA could have done a better job once they were in control. But before they could do THEIR job, they had to step in and do the job of the local reponders.

Using a sports analogy, FEMA is the closer, not the starter! When you start with the closer, then the effectiveness is nowhere near the same.

Goes to show that you cannot make up real life

Eyes wide open:

You appreciate Hillary for her economic policy INCLUDING the temporary tax vacation, which more than 200 top economists including four Noble prize winners slammed as ridiculous, which should have proved to you that her understanding of economics is as poor as that of McCain is what you appreciate. You don't have to be an economist to know that she or McCain (by the way McCain is better than her in this regard for his campaign apparently recognized that they were wrong when the economists made their view known while her campaign insisted "they are not interested in finding an economist to support it but to solve the common people affected") can't have better understanding of a consess of hunderds of economists. If you appreciate her for that, then no comment .....

On the other hand, Obama and his reasoning was in line with the economists consensus. He got it right this time as well.

fontapa:

You are SOOO wrong!

The things which made me admire Hillary are her Universal Health Plan, her economic plans INCLUDING the temporary gas tax vacation which B O lied about(check "fact.check"),her being able to come up with policy suggestions which if given the chance to reach your brain are sound and plausible (like "the umbrella of deterrance" which although not original is a something which should be seriously considered before being slapped down because it sounds powerful.

Also, her ability to think on her toes and speak without a teleprompter. unlike Obama who, in this regard, strongly resembles BUSH!

He IS a teflon man whose dirt is slowly clinging to his shoes and catching on the chinks of his vest... and by the time this election takes place should he be the contender, he will REALLY be black with all of his double dealings and alliances with anti-American associates.

Of them all, Wright was the most acceptable... and he'll be back... I promise!; twas just another political ploy. And with the help of the press and the media, it worked.

In any case, the party is not as important to me as the country is.

If I can't vote for Hillary..... I will absolutely cast my vote for McCain.

Obama, is too green.. and too mean for me!

Eyes wide open, I'm gonna keep this breif.

You are mistaken. You will not vote for McCain. If you were voting for Hillary, then your number one issue is the Iraq War.

McCain is married to the Iraq War, he'll keep us there forever.

His platforms like a photo negative of Hillary's. You won't vote for him, because of this.

Trust me. You'll follow your conscience and vote Obama or Clinton to end the war. To do otherwise is to have too much innocent blood on your hands.

JGAW, you know Chicago has multiple slum lords. You tell me how Rezko is the only, the first, or the worst. Chicago has had a problem regulating its tenements for YEARS. Is all this Obama's fault? Can a state senator overturn city practices if it is a local jurisdiction matter?
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But OBAMA was the state senator who took money from Rezko which had supposedly been intended to heat his broken down, frigid tenements which housed Obama's mostly black constituents!

I can understand the black vote leaning towards a black man. But I CANNOT
comprehend why it should be THIS black man.... who has done nothing in their behalf..... except pay off some of the posters....

This election has been a joke played on us by the media.

Should he Obama win the election, our country will suffer.

As for the "party", I care more about my country than I do for the DNC; B O will NEVER get my vote.

If I can't vote for HIllary, I will vote for Mccain so that the empty suit goes back to Illinois.

At lest McCain is not a threat to this country!

nectanebus -

Dude, chill. Seriously, have faith in our candidate Obama. There's no chance in hell for Hillary to win this thing. None. Nada. Zilch. The only reason she's still in it is because the media has helped her convince people she does have a chance.

After tonight, her chances are even worse. Superdelegates will either step in now, or after the last states have voted, but either way she's cooked.

the democrat party has always been the most racist group in American history and that will be clearly revealed when they rob Obama of his fairly won victory. the whole world is about to see once and for all that the democrat party has always had one set of rules for blacks and another for whites.

dhsu,
I would love to continue,but
alas, it is my bedtime.
goodnight. i will be on another time.

jgaw:

I see your point about Clinton, I'm not discounting it. The point is that both Clinton and Obama care about the US citizens, so there is no point branding either of them as 'socialist' or 'left-leaning (economically)' because both of them have essentially the same socialist health care plan.

I don't care about Obama's mom, I was also just making a point.

I also believe the Democratic Party tends to attract more liberal voters. Therefore, I see no reason why Democrats should not support the more liberal-leaning Obama. If you wanted conservative policies, might as well go all the way and vote for McCain. That being said, this is my own viewpoint and I do not talk for Obama supporters everywhere, contrary to many other Obama and Hillary supporters alike.

Please, continue this enlightening argument. It's been awhile since my debating days.

dhsu,
sen. clinton healthcare plan is more in line with uk, canada.
you can google stanley durham marxist
and read about his mom.
he has the most liberal voting record of all, and the washington est. are not going to just roll over and show the soft side just because he hs arrived.
with the american people stuck in the middle.

Lisa,

I know that.
The problem he always changes his mind.

jgaw:

If you want to talk about left-leaning, Hillary's universal health plan will cover 12 million more people than Obama's will. That aligns her more with socialist nations such as Cuba and Venezuela, with their considerations towards the healthcare of their citizens.

Now, does that not make her more socialist and left-leaning than Obama?

But of course, Obama's "marxist mom" (I'm not completely sure where you got this from) definitely represents who Obama is, and makes him more economically "left" than Hillary, yes?

Hillary, despite her experience, has decided to stick to the status quo regarding Iran and Cuba. That is exactly what shows me Hillary's status as a political conservative, of which i do not think we need another. In political terms, I applaud Obama for being "left" (or liberal) and conforming more to the ideals of the Democratic Party.

Blue Irish if you don't know how Obama will help the economy then find out, go to his site, research it.

People who say "ignorant young people" are voting for Obama are wrong. People with college degrees are voting for Obama. Guess why.

Thanks rd - I agree with your earlier posts 100%!

A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!

I read Obama supporters defend him from his relationship with Rev.Wright.
The reason is economic issue is more important.
I don't even know what and how he will make our economy better.

obamazied,
MY not supporting obama, is not because of the preacher wright, that is about midway of the list. top of the list is I have listened to him and looked at his plans and I do not think he will make a good. president.
I have attended a black baptist southern church all my life and I have never heard any preacher preach what wright does.
but as I said, rev. wright is not the reason i am not supporting him
I do think he lied to us about hearing the sermons. and i do not believe him when he say he has denounced him. i do think it was for political reasons.
therefore making him like any other old politician.
i did and do not know obama-from the political people he has associated with in the past and from his marxist mom. and his dad politics-i think obama is to far to the left for our country.

ah, dhsu,
i was on the church issue, i was comments to something earl had said.

DanielforHillary, I am mature and consider myself wise and I voted for Obama. Can you please tell me why you would vote for McCain. Have you considered the war, the economy, the supreme court. There are vast differences on these issues between the dems and republicans. With that in mind how can you vote for McCain.

jgaw, I checked Wikipedia and you just have the ability to write-in your choice of President. Except you're really votig for electors, so it would take a massive vote for a write-in to somehow get electors to vote for that person at the convention.

All in all, many like me will bail. Let the ones who care about who's on the ballot vote.

As I read these posts, and I have read many these past few weeks and months, I regret that this has racial overtones. I would have preferred it be Ayers or Rezko on the ballot so it had nothing to with race, just anti-American and corruption as Obama and his associates have. Maybe a crazy minister like Hagee or Robertson or any of those others who are just as bad as Wright.

So picture the radical Ayers when I say I'm bailing on the Democrats. Has nothing to do with race, I could care less. Has to do with Obama and Wright and Ayers and Rezko and Auchi.

If you think most Americans will overlook the radicalism of that bunch, you're in for another McGovern '72 treat with Obama. One state won.

And McGovern was a war hero.

rd

I will not say obama is stupid.
but he is underqualfied.
I would have voted for him-if he had proved to be half as smart as sen. clinton. but he has not. I do not think even obama believed that second speech he made about rev. wright.
I believe more will come out in the ge about him. because the msm has been so in the tank for him. they failed us.
and the fact will remain-between obama and mccain-which ever one of them that gets into office-we still will not have the best in there to lead us.
so we will muddle and fuddle through another four years, while this country goes further in decline.

Al, apparently you are quite ignorant. The reason some democrats will vote republican is because maybe the republican has more expierience and knows his stuff. Unlike a certain democrat who talks big talk but can't do anything in reality. John McCain is better than Obama.

jgaw:
Your comment is ironic that your biggest argument against Obama is against your main point in the argument: that we need to focus on the economics. You'll notice that nowhere does Obama tout his link to Wright's church. Sitting in the church for 20 years, no matter how heinous, does not constitute a bad economic policy.

If you want to talk economics, think about how Hillary is supporting cutting the gas tax, and how hundreds of economists, even Nobel prize winners, are against the plan. Don't bring the irrelevant topic of Obama's church into the discussion.

I cannot speak for the Michigan race, but here in FL, our votes and our delegates should be seated. None of the candidates campaigned here, but there was record turnout for both parties (FL is a closed-primary state). The voters of FL made the clear choice for Hillary. Given the important property tax issue that was on the same ballot in FL, no one can say that there was not a true outcome to the Democratic race.

Regardless of how the DNC set up the system, they were aware of the potential problems from the start. They knew that there were Floridians who were ready to challenge the DNC in court.

Hillary will far better represent the Democratic party.

The reason Hillary Clinton will not drop out is because since the race is quite close, she wants everyone t weigh in their vote so the results will be more factual. Her democracy is what we need in a president. She is not selfish, quite the contrary, she cares for the country. If Obama wins the nomination, the party won't unite behind him. He is such a stuck up brat who thinks he knows everything. John McCain will have him against the wall. If Obama can't really and powerfully"tell Hillary Off in a debate" why do many people continue to believe that Obama will be better against John McCain. Honestly I believe its just racial loyalty and the ignorance of the younger voters that is helping Obama win. Well, the more mature and wise Clinton supporters will vote for John McCain, the 2nd best candidate. Now thats sad when a republican is considered better than a democrat. Obama is so stupid!

Anyone and I mean anyone who is a REAL Democrat whose candidate loses and then say they are going to vote republican_NEVER were democrats in the first place. Who needs traitors. You won't be seeing republicans vote democratic come November. That is because they are loyal and loyalty is what this is all about. Someone has to win every horse race and Hillary is just lucky she is not like the philly who lost more than a horse race....OBAMA and all Democrats in 2008

Susan, your argument simply does not make sense.

What is it that makes you think you know what is under Hillary's skin, but not what is under Obama's skin? How about what is under McCain's skin? Is that better than what is under Obama's skin?

Just because you vote the way you do, does not mean you can apply it to pro-Hillary voters in general. A better reason to support Hillary would be "because of her health plan", not "because I am afraid of what's under Obama's skin". Doing so would be complete ignorance and a disgrace to other pro-Hillary voters who support Democratic policies, and not just what's underneath someone's skin.

Eric | May 6, 2008 10:37:55 PM asked:
"Is she that selfish that she'd sacrifice the Democratic party's chances in November rather than drop out in a distinguished manner?"

YES, SHE IS!!!!

earl, have we forgotten ALREADY, obama has sat in a black seperatist church for 20 years, and has had the nerve to tell us he has heard nothing of what we have heard from rev. wright.
the things that are said at the state fo the black union meetings-have been mush-compared to that stuff he has gone to church and listened to.
the state of the black union is televised every year for all to see.
and as I have said-the clinton' have a long list of trying to level the playing field for black and others.
where has obama been.
I will also say, the group that he has aligned himself with the exteme left of the dem. party-has never really tried to empower black people. what our people need right now more than anything is economic power. and just putting a black man in the white house will not get it. sen. clinton has the plan to help level the playing field.

Oh Yes, we will vote for McCain or write Hillary's name in for POTUS. No way is Obama going to get our vote. For most of us, our vote for McCain or writing in Hillary's name will be the last thing we will do as Democrats. We will then leave the Democrat Party. On November 6th, Obama, Michelle, Dean and Pelosi will be left standing and dazed, holding empty kool-aid glasses in salute to the new President of the United States, President John MacCain.

A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!'08

Sorry Tapper, but for you to say that: "She's counting Michigan,where Obama was not on the ballot. He removed his name, as did every other Democrat except for Clinton" is not true, Democrates Kucinich, Dodd and Gravel were on that ballot. There was also a space of those who did not prefer any of those candidates. You can check this website for that fact.

I'm an independent who has for the most part always voted Republican (yeah, I know, I really blew it last time!). I want to vote for Obama because I want a change in Washington--any change! HRC is Bill's wife and nothing more. She talks a lot and bobs her head a lot, but most of all she lies a lot, and I won't vote for her. If she is your candidate, I (a 60 year old white female)will vote Republican again since she isn't that much different than McCain (who I also don't like.)Either that, or I, like many young people and blacks, I will just stay home. Obama is bringing out the voters--not HRC or McCain. She will not beat McCain, but Obama can.

Earl I find if my posts are too long people don't read them. lol I hope Hillary supporters will realize that we can't afford to have another republican in the white house. I just don't understand what they are thinking. And we haven't even touched on the Supreme Court. They have taken this very personally. I voted for Obama but will vote for Hillary just to get us back in the white house. Hopefully they will rethink who they vote for. We can't afford another 4 years with McCain.

More bluster and more attempt to steal something. Only they could be happy with a win that really wasn't just like the Republicans and Bush/Gore..oh that's right Hillary really is a Republican isn't she?

"The media has been for Obama. IF he gets the nomination, so many dems will vote for McCain. And they are life long democrats."

No, they won't. If they were truly pro-Hillary, they will remember that she was against the Iraq war, against the tax cuts for the wealthy, pro health care, pro environment, pro civil rights... I could go on.

You Hillary supporters talk about how admirable she is, but you also talk about how tough she is. If she knew you were going to vote McCain out of spite, SHE'D KICK YOUR @$$.

Think about it. I can't even stand her, but I promise you I wouldn't want to vote Republican and tick her off.

Why won't Clinton drop out of the race line any other sensible second place candidate would do, and just let the party unite behind Obama? Is she that selfish that she'd sacrifice the Democratic party's chances in November rather than drop out in a distinguished manner?

earl, i know about the rules of chicagoland' housing-I do not say it is obama' fault-i do say it lets us know that what obama is selling to us in his campaign-and his friend resko-obama must know about some of the houses this man owns-and who he rents to-black people-and yes, we should have see somewhere is their hx that resko cleaned up his houses-or obama was not associated with him.
on the race baiting-if you are talking about the statement bill made about obama and jesse-how is that race baiting-was it a fact?
the clinton' had no advantage to playing the race card-clinton had the black support.-obama and arod had to get the black support from sen. clinton.
my friend, investigate and go back and track it. the race card was played by obama.
If you will go back you will see when sen. clinton was on wal-marts board-wal mart was the new flavor of the month-everybody shopped at wal-mart-why the cheap prices-only in these last few years has wal-mart lost favor with the nation. sen. clinton was not there when wal-mart started it' horrible practice. that happened after old man sam died.
the point I am trying to make about michelle on the hosp. board. goes to the obama accountablity ? you asked me
black people know this about mrs. obama-should have reason to pause, and ask the question.(now i believe it was all about the dollar) our people should know that the obama' have not always been working for leveling the playing field for our people as the clinton' have.
the bit about bill being the first black president-i never thought was funny-or any where near true-how was that so? and what did toni morrison mean?
I am sorry, i thought i was still communicating with earl.
geanna,

Like so many other Clinton supporters,the math is very simple ...
If Obama gets the nomination, we will
all vote for McCain, who's got substance and is proven.

And it's not the color of his skin, we just don't know what is lying underneath the skin, and that is mighty scary!

The media has been for Obama. IF he gets the nomination, so many dems will vote for McCain. And they are life long democrats.

lisa,well said lisa, well said. Short but profound. I am still baffled by the fact that people are considering McCain as an alternative to George Bush..Its all about the Republican policies..War and low taxes for the rich..Its crippling the economy. Wake up America! You are apparently awake lisa!(smile) Well said lisa!

Carolyn, you seem to believe in conspiracy theories. how can you blame obama for what wright says..that is unfair and you know it. How can obama be a racist with a white mother..you are reaching carolyn, you are reaching. YOu are not a true Democrat if you would vote for McCain to continue the George Bush policies of war..which by the way is crippling the economy..have you tried to purchase gas lately, Carolyn..what do you think is responsible for the economy the way it is..its the Republican policies of war and low taxes for the rich..Carolyn, do you know how much money is spent each week to keep the troops in Iraq? Billions Carolyn, Billions!

carolyn, Wright doesn't seem to be an problem and why should it. People want to hear about the real issues like the economy and the war. Don't you want a better economy. It won't happen with McCain. He will only make it worse.

jgaw, Obama did not attend some of those black oriented meetings and I agree with him. I am one black man who do not blame white people for everything. When you attend some of these meetings they are heavily anti white and as a black man who believe that there is good in every one regardless of race..do not subcribe to some of these black meetings..and I think obama was right not to go. Obama is is uniter and he is qualified ethnically(he's black and white). Obama do not want any part is that and he is right. I admire that part of him. He is not perfect..no one is, but I think that he would bring a unique perspective to the presidency and make the US respected again in the world. He'll reach out and embrace and make peace and understanding among world leaders..on the national scene, he look out for everyone black and white..that is the kind of president I want..One who would respond the same way to a heavily white area that may be hit by natural disaster as he would to a black area that is hit(remember Katrina and George Bush's response?) Obama is a uniter not a divider.

JGAW, you know Chicago has multiple slum lords. You tell me how Rezko is the only, the first, or the worst. Chicago has had a problem regulating its tenements for YEARS. Is all this Obama's fault? Can a state senator overturn city practices if it is a local jurisdiction matter?

I don't think Bill Clinton's administration dollar for dollar compared to Republicans can be maligned as antiBlack. I do think both Clintons used race to bait white voters during this election process.

You also have to know that Hillary Clinton sat on Wal-Mart's board (as did Michelle) and have refused to give their workers standard health care. If you are suggesting that Michelle Obama set price points for the University of Chicago Hospital system, then tell me what this unequal pricing indexing exists across the country for the poor and for minority groups?

I agree with your assessment of Barack Obama staying as far as he can from large groups of black people. He has been consistent in trying to be neutral on race and not have too many black people in his props on stage. You are ignoring the difference between Clinton being called the first black president and the reality of actually having to fight against all the bias of being an actual presidential nominee.

If you think that these percentage of voters who say they will never vote for a black candidate is a part of our collective imagination, you should refer to these self reports pollster collect from voters.

From NC... my husband and I voted for Obama (white in our 50's). My parents voted for Obama (white in their 70's). Our children and their spouses voted for Obama (white in their 20's). We are all working class people. Don't believe that it's a black/Obama and white/Hillary picture. People... white and black don't buy her many faces and don't like her divisive politics. Obama won in NC by bringing people together.

For the Obama campaign to say that the voters of Florida and Michigan should have no voice is asinine. How about deleting all those votes and delegates from Illinois because of voter fraud. Obama actually stopped a new election in Michigan because he knew he would not win. Senator Obama is a corrupt politician and will continue to be.

earl, if obama supporters were telling sen. clinton supporters to be quiet because they thought he was better on the issues-that is party of the game.
for an obama supporter to tell a clinton supporter to be quiet because the black man should win-and if you are not for him-you are a sellout-and a traitor-that is wrong-and I do not see how that is party of the game.

Okay, funs over. It's now TIME for the Democratic party to take control of things. Hillary has lost, and she has no hope of winning whatsoever.

It's WAYYY past time for superdelegates to come out from under their rocks and end this thing. It's beyond foolish now.

Dean needs to cut her off at the knees on this goalpost changing thing. She doesn't have the authority to do what she's attempting.

It's every Democrat's party, not just the Clinton's.

End it now, once and for all. Democracy has long since been served, folks, now we're letting the inmates run the asylum.

rd, I would like to know more about the write in voting. so I can write in sen. clinton's name.
can you tell me where to go the read the rules about writing in a presidental candiate.
I am all for a serious third party.
this dem party has had it. it see it being marginalized, and soon being just a shell of what it has been.
anything the extreme wing of any party takes over-it is time for that party to go. I believe the dem. party as we have known it is over.
another unfortunate thing about this is sen. clinton is the more capable and everyone knows it.
obama will not win in the ge.
and mccain will get a chance to pad that supreme court with who knows (?)
but the people who will suffer in the long run the most are my people who blindly put obama up for the dem. nominee.

jgaw, If black obama supporters are treating the black hillary supporters bad then that is flat out wrong..but its happening both ways..thats politics my friend..its a dirty game and it causes people to change and say and do strange things. That is the power of politics. Don't you see how the politicians from the same party cut each other down and then get behind the nominee who before they claimed was unfit..all of a sudden he becomes fit because he's the nominee..that's the game jgaw, that's the game.

earl, all presidental candidates, have met with the black est. leader to discuss how to deal with unique black situations. obama refused. obama snubed the black press, obama refused to attend the state of the black union. which when it happened in an election year. all presidental can. have attened rep. not the first black cand.
black people were asked to go out and ote for obama no matter what-and not to say anything to cause the brother any trouble. (rev. wright didn't hear that message)
and the fact still remains-on civil rights issues the clintons have a long record of trying to level the playing field.
when tom joyner was fund raising for hbcu who was there helping-a clinton
when the funds were needed for american and africa for aids meds and needles who was there-a clinton.
the list is long
my question is why have our people flocked to obama-when in the past he has been no where to be found.
he didn't really show for for blacks until he needed them.
the civil work he claimed to do in chicago-was a local church group trying to help REG. PEOPLE TO VOTE.
resko-the slum landlord friend of his
had some of the worst housing for black people in chicagoland.
michell obama has been on the board of directors that services mostly black and latino-and they were caught -charging the blacks and latino more.
so I ask you again
where is the racial pride in voting for this man?
the clintons have been trying to level the playing field all of there public service lives.
so the accountability issues is why not question him on those issues. and what
is obama going to do to help level the playing field?

On the Michigan primary, it was the intention of Obama surrogates to have voters vote"uncommitted" and those votes could be translated into delegates at the Convention. Rep. Conyers and other heavyweight Obama backers insisted that the Michigan vote would be counted. See this Jan. 2008 piece in a Michigan newspaper:

"As excitement builds for Obama in New Hampshire's primary, his Michigan supporters hope Michigan voters will be savvy enough to vote "uncommitted" in the state's misfit Democratic primary.

"I'm doing a lot of extra work to make sure everyone in Michigan that wants to support Sen. Obama knows they must vote 'uncommitted,' " said U.S. Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich. "Voters can't write in his name because that will be considered a spoiled ballot."

"No matter who you are supporting there is a spot on the ballot you need to check off," said state Rep. Bert Johnson, D-Dist. 5, who endorsed Obama more than 10 months ago. He speculates that an "uncommitted" vote of 15 percent would be a setback for Sen. Hillary Clinton, the only front-runner on the Michigan Democratic primary ballot.

Johnson thinks the uncommitted votes will ultimately translate into delegates at the Democratic nominating convention, even though the Democratic National Committee has officially withdrawn Michigan's delegates. "We have way too many powerhouses in Washington to stand by and let Michigan go unrepresented at the national convention," he said, listing Conyers and U.S. Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, D-Mich., and Democratic Sens. Carl Levin and Debbie Stabenow."

jgaw, black people are voting overwhemingly for obama because 1.they are proud of him 2. He is qualified to run for president. Those are two good reasons..don't you think? HE IS QUALIFIED and cannot do worst than Bush is doing right now

jghaw, hold obama accountable for what? what someoneelse says? what jghaw!what! Obama, Hillary, McCain are all humanbeings who make mistakes..so why is obama so different?

earl, please answer my question.

It is time for a correction on the Michigan primary. There were many Dems on the ballot. But Edwards and Obama made a tactical decision not to put their names on the ballot because they thought they could do more harm to Clinton by not running there. Here's what the Wash. Post said in January this year:
"CHICAGO -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is the only top-tier Democrat on the Jan. 15 Michigan primary ballot, but followers of her chief rivals are hoping to wound her all the same.

A fresh poll suggests that running nearly unopposed will not mean winning nearly 100 percent of the vote.

The campaigns of Sen. Barack Obama and former senator John Edwards are urging their supporters to cast ballots for "uncommitted," according to state Democratic party chairman Mark Brewer. The Obama campaign says there may be "grass-roots efforts," but that the Chicago-based campaign is not involved."

geevil, are the working class whites who are voting overwhelmingly for Hillary racists? Can you answer that for me? Remember a lot of whites are voting for obama too..so its not only blacks..Obama is qualified and legitimate. Bill Clinton and Hillary are excellent politicians who realized the importance of the black vote and pandered too it successfully, I am one black person who was not impressed.

there is no racial pride in the way black obama supporters are treating black clinton supporters.
there is no racial pride in voting for someone and not questioning that person and holding them accountable.

rd--if that's true, then the democrats don't need you. As a Republican, I don't want you either. The WORST thing that ever happened was when the Nixon campaign made an effort to court white southerners and bring them into the Republican Party.

Congrats on the good sentiment tomdavie

Hillary, you can move that finish line all you want to. You can do all the fuzzy math you want to BUT it won't change the outcome.

This thing is all but over and you lost. Your dirty smear politics with your Bosnia lies, unauthorized and unsolicited threats of nuclear war against Iran, and your shameless pandering to the American people are a thing of the past.

We have a new leader with ethics and character and I can't wait for November. This is coming from an older white woman who is an Obamacan.

Earl, why do YOU think black people are voting overwhelmingly for obama.
sen. clinton and bill clinton have a better and longer record of working for civil rights than obama. the clinton ARE
two white people who have worked all of their lives to help level the playing field for black people.

geevil, blacks have been voting overwhelmingly for white candidates for years..forexample: Bill Clinton and others and now that they are voting for Obama they are racist? What about the working class whites who are voting overwhelmingly for Hillary? Are they racist too? I think its coming out geevil,its coming out..ask God to remove it..we are all God's children..no one's better than the other..we all have the same needs,wants and desires regardless of race..have'nt you figured that out as yet?

Obama will do better than McGovern and Dukakis, but nowhere near Gore and Kerry.

If the Democrats are comfortable with Obama as their nominee, I and millions of others will be abandoning the party.

They called them Reagan Democrats in the 80's. I guess we're Clinton Democrats now, but whatever we vote for, it won't be for Obama.

He will do better than McGovern and Dukakis, Mondale, and Carter, the ones who forced the exodus from the Democratic Party, but not by much.

The exodus will begin anew. Millions of us will go independent and vote for a writein, third party, or McCain.

The Democrats can go back to wandering in the desert like they did in the 80's. Good luck to you with a candidate like Obama.

You will need it.

rd