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Ickes Sees "Perversion" at the DNC Meeting

May 31, 2008 3:46 PM

Harold Ickes, a senior adviser to the presidential campaign of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., took issue just now with any notion that the campaign of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., is conceding anything by agreeing to a proposal being floated to seat the full Florida delegation with each delegate getting half a vote -- thus netting Clinton 19 pledged delegates.

"Concession?" said Ickes. "Gimme a break. Under their formula, Hillary Clinton loses delegates, not gains delegates. It is just a perversion of the word to call that a concession."

At last year's DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting, Ickes was one of several Clinton supporters to vote to not recognize any delegates from either Florida or Michigan because the two states were about to violate party rules and hold their contests early. He has since changed his position on the matter.

- jpt

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Whether senator Obama wins the GE or not, it will surely be nice to tell my children and grandchildren that I had to opportunity to vote for a Black man for president of these United States at least once in my lifetime. Obama08

Posted by: the_peoples_prez | Jun 2, 2008 1:46:39 PM

Those who would vote for the party that that has ruined our country in seven years is only doing it to themselves and will have several years to try to get used to enjoying the pleasure.

Posted by: all | Jun 2, 2008 10:59:49 AM

HRC argreed to the rules. Then she asked for them to be changed when it became clear she was loosing, like I knew she would. To have been granted that rules change and then turn around and complain that SHE was cheated shows incredible chutzpah.

To her supporters: if you do indeed go to McCain, and that looses what is at the moment an almost sure thing for Obama, the future blood in Iraq will be on YOUR hands.

Posted by: David | Jun 1, 2008 12:58:47 AM


Why is Hillary in second place if she has all of this support and is so electable? Truth is she lost because voters prefer Obama for a variety of reasons. By the way, Hillary is acting like a John McCain supporter with plausible deniability because she is a democratic candidate. Her behavior has and is sabotaging democrats chances of winning the GE. But they will still win despite her underhanded ways.

Posted by: LG | Jun 2, 2008 3:01:42 AM

Posted by: carollt,

I agree! I expressed the same sentiments two months ago. All these woman identifying with Hillary, what a total and complete joke. Sure some of them may have experiences sexism, but Hillary hasn't experienced anything. She has been helped along - in her lifetime.

Therefore, I don't have any sympathy for her. We don't share not one thing in common - Hillary and I. Eventhough, I attended and graduate from college, my parents didn't send me to Ivy league schools... My husbands name didn't get me a job at a law firm and seats on various boards....My husbands name didn't get me a senate seat I didn't earn, etc. etc. etc. etc.

This stuff about sexism is a total joke. The only one playing the gender card here is her, men are just to stupid to see it!.....The bottom line is, she's not entitled to something just because she is Bill's wife.

No, she needs to earn her way through life just like the rest of us. Afterall, the woman is 60 years old. At one what point will she start earning her own damn way? I can guarantee you had her name been Maryland, she wouldn't have her senate seat now. Geez.

Maryland

Posted by: Maryland | Jun 2, 2008 12:07:52 AM

Sally...through supporters on the MI legislature and attorneys Obama stopped the revotes there....Obama refused to accept FL's revote plan thereby making it impossible for them to revote by mail.

Obama team did stop revotes in both states.

He was directly responsible for making sure these 2 states didn't get legitimate elections. Then to top it off in order to pander to Iowa he pulled his name off in MI.

Everyone played by the rules which were to not campaign in both states...except Obama who ran ads in FL...


You can get your negative views from the tabloid media if you want, but anyone that really cares to get the facts needs to research more than the mainstream media....

Posted by: Jackie | Jun 1, 2008 9:15:44 PM

AMEN, carollt. HRC was the wrong person at the wrong time.

If the choice had been Condi Rice and HRC, I'd have happily gone for Condi....

Posted by: David | Jun 1, 2008 12:57:40 PM

I can't wait until next week when Obama has the numbers to be the Democratic nominee for President.

Mrs. Clinton is all about Mrs. Clinton. She does not play by the rules and will do anything and say anything to win.

All this talk about sexism is nonsense. Mrs. Clinton is where she is today because of the man she married.

I am a 52 year old working woman. I want a woman to be President who has made her own way; not married into the position. Next thing we know, Laura Bush will be running for President.

If Hillary supporters want to support McCain, so be it. I hope those supporters do not have children of draft age, because John McBush will surely have to start a draft to support all the wars he loves so much.

Posted by: carollt | Jun 1, 2008 9:59:41 AM

Obama wanted his name off the
ballot in Florida as well.
But the office of the Florida
Republican Secretary of State
left it on the ballot. And
the Obama campaign did not
pursue the matter further
and let it go at that because
the DNC had ruled that the
Florida primary results would
not count.

Posted by: anon | Jun 1, 2008 2:10:00 AM

Obama is the all-American candidate.
He's more all-American than any of
the others.

Posted by: anon | Jun 1, 2008 1:37:45 AM

Posted by: David | Jun 1, 2008 12:58:47 AM

bho and hillary can talk leaving iraq asap. what they can do is another thing.
i will still not vote for bho, a man i consider to be racist and unamerican.

Posted by: pp | Jun 1, 2008 1:08:31 AM

HRC argreed to the rules. Then she asked for them to be changed when it became clear she was loosing, like I knew she would. To have been granted that rules change and then turn around and complain that SHE was cheated shows incredible chutzpah.

To her supporters: if you do indeed go to McCain, and that looses what is at the moment an almost sure thing for Obama, the future blood in Iraq will be on YOUR hands.

Posted by: David | Jun 1, 2008 12:58:47 AM

Posted by: Doug | Jun 1, 2008 12:12:45 AM

no.
been there, done that. $40,000,000 dollars later.

Posted by: pp | Jun 1, 2008 12:24:45 AM

Posted by: Ann | Jun 1, 2008 12:08:04 AM

Ann, sorry. I am a life long dem...NEVER voted republican, and i will this year. it is not just about party. i have to at least have a little pride in who i vote for. without belaboring the point, there is nothing i find in bho that would make me feel okay to vote for him. at least with mccain, i know he is proud of the country and proud to call himself an american. if the congress-pelosi and reid- do not squander their opportunity again this congress, they can be the balance to a republican presidency.

Posted by: pp | Jun 1, 2008 12:14:21 AM

I think we as a people have become a nation of ignoramuses. I cannot help but feel sorry for the people who have posted such hate in this column. Democrats do not be fooled by the Republicans who are posting here and saying hateful things about both Democratic candidates. The Democrats are smart enough to recognize that we need change and will come out unified to defeat McCain. The statements that supporters of each Democratic candidates are making right now about not voting for the opposing candidate are being said in the heat of the moment. But when they calm down and realize that they will be voting to end the economic recession, the Iraq war, global warming, povery and lack of healthcare for all, they will vote for a Democrat.

Posted by: Ann | Jun 1, 2008 12:08:04 AM

To Doug-- Don't you have a rational mind. Bill Clinton behavior was similar to Obama and L. Sinclair. And don't forget the gay choir director of Obama's church that was murdered. He and Obama were very close and the crime has not been solved. What happened there???

Posted by: Martin | May 31, 2008 11:52:34 PM

After listening to the news, I am very surprised and disgusted that Senator Obama received votes/delegates when he had voluntarily removed his name from the Michigan ballot. He deserved 0 (ZERO) votes/delegates. OBAMA HAS STOLEN THE DELEGATES. He is just a very corrupt candidate.

Posted by: Mitchell | May 31, 2008 11:39:23 PM

Posted by: Mike S | May 31, 2008 11:14:02 PM

if hillary/ickes are so awful/hypocrites/two-faced, then what does it make bho for also taking the delegates from florida, AND taking delegates in michigan where he was not even on the ballot!

Posted by: pp | May 31, 2008 11:23:00 PM

Hey Brain,

I don't want to get in the middle of this coversation but let me just interject: she isn't all that beloved! There are NOT enough people that would vote McCain just because she doesn't get the nominee. So, some childish internet folks and some angry women feel cheated - despite the facts...it won't make THAT big of a difference if they vote McCain or not. As someone else stated: 'there are other factors in play this time around'.....in addition to the fact that there won't be enough of them.

If she was all that loved, SHE'D BE THE NOMINEE! She came into this with all the things he did NOT. She SHOULD be the nominee. The fact that she is not, speaks to the voters voicing their WANTS and to hell with what Hillary or the Clinton's want.

So, I repeat, his win doesn't guarantee a McCain victory. But, his loss will surely signify the end of her and dim any chances of future women running for high office(b/c of all this mess started by her)though, you mark my words. Also, to quote one last person before I leave you to continue your discussion: 'win or not he will be the nominee and he will have beaten her' And for most people Brian, that and the end of the Clinton's is good enough....I suspect as a Rep. that is good news to you though? I leave you now to carry on.

G'nite
Janice

Posted by: Janice | May 31, 2008 11:19:04 PM

Clinto and Obama agreed not to sit the delegates because of Fla and Michigan's
violation back in 2007 and Harold Ickes agreed as well.

Now look at these two Hyprocrites Hillary Clinton and Harold Ickes.

Typical nasty two-faced Hillary

Posted by: Mike S | May 31, 2008 11:14:02 PM

Obama passed the 2026 mark-he now has 2052. Five dozen away from the new goalpost, but no matter, he wins!

Posted by: oldwhiteguy | May 31, 2008 10:16:08 PM

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