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Interview with Barack Obama

May 20, 2008 3:16 PM

See transcript below of my interview today with Sen. Barack Obama. Tune into WORLD NEWS WITH CHARLES GIBSON tonight to see the full report.

JAKE TAPPER: What is your reaction to the news that Sen. Kennedy has a brain tumor?

BARACK OBAMA: Well, it's heartbreaking. Ted Kennedy is not only a giant of the Senate but he's a good friend. You couldn't have a better supporter than Ted Kennedy. And I had spoken to him just a couple of days ago, right after the seizure and had been staying in touch with Vicki. We were a little more optimistic at that point. Obviously the news came in today and it's a lot worse, but he's a fighter. He's been fighting on behalf of working families all his life, (he's been working for) civil rights for people who don't have a voice in Washington. It's a testament to how beloved he is that you are seeing well wishers from across the aisle from everyone in political life and Massachusetts. I hope he will be O.K. and I will do everything I can to make sure his family has support at this difficult time.

TAPPER: The statement from the hospital made no mention of surgery, which may indicate doctors don't hold out much hope that would be a successful course of action. What's your understanding of the treatment he will pursue?

OBAMA: I'll leave that to the doctors to talk about but obviously it's a serious situation. Vicki and the rest of the family are going to need a lot of support at this time. Ted Kennedy has supported so many people, including me, through the years, we have to be there for him during this difficult time.

TAPPER: Sen. McCain today criticized you for flip-flopping on whether the embargo against Cuba should be lifted and criticized your willingness to sit down with raoul castro as naïve. Your response?

OBAMA: This is a typical approach of John McCain and that is to distort my record and embrace George Bush's record. The fact is, eight years go John McCain suggested maybe we should lift the embargo and since that time nothing's change. We don't see more freedom for the people of Cuba but John McCain is embracing the same no talk, hard line attitude that has led to no progress and no improved conditions of the Cuban people for 50 years.

Let's be very clear about what I've said. We should look at loosening up remitances and travel restrictions for Cuban Americans so they can travel to the island, be with their families, and send money there as a gesture of good faith as Fidel Castro is transitioning. I also think we should open direct talks with Cubans without any preconditions but with a whole lot of preparation. Unless they release political prisoners, start instituting free press, and other steps to democratize the island, we won't lift the embargo. But we are looking to normalize the situation. That's common sense. That's the new approach to foreign policy that is needed because the last eight years won't work for the next president and John McCain keeps embracing policies that don't work and that is part of what this election will be all about.

TAPPER: You're likely to be the Democratic nominee but you will also likely lose Kentucky overwhelmingly tonight, and one of the reasons for the likely loss is what's been evident in previous primaries -- Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana, West Virginia -- your message is not resonating with white working class voters. Do you acknowledge that this is a problem and how do you intend on remedying that for the general election?

OBAMA: I really think that has been overstated. It hasn't been a problem in Virginia or a problem in Iowa or a problem in Minnesota. In fact, in Indiana we did almost as well as Sen. Clinton in many of these areas and that fact is, when you look at recent polls coming out of Pennslyvania, where this was supposed to be an enormous problem, I'm up significantly over John McCain. Sen. Clinton is a formidable candidate. It shouldn't be surprising there are a number of voters who would like to see her as a nominee. That doesn't mean they won't support us in a general election anymore than it meant they get a large proportion of African American voters that African Americans wouldn't vote for Sen. Clinton if she ended up being the nominee.

TAPPER: Do you agree with Sen. Clinton's complaint that she has been the victim of a sexist media in this campaign?

OBAMA: No doubt there are certain burdens for Sen. Clinton running as a formidable but first time frontrunner as a woman in the same way I've got to deal with some issues as an African American. Ultimately, I think the American people are fair minded and for those who would not vote either for myself or Sen. Clinton because of gender or race there are those who are excited about the prospects of the first woman or African American (nominee). There is no doubt there have been occassions where Sen. Clinton has had to overcome particular hurdles and that is part of the groundbreaking nature of her campaign.

TAPPER: In recent days, it has seemed that some of your staffers and supporters have walked back from your statement that you would be willing to meet with the leaders of rogue nations, countries hostile to the U.S., without preconditions. Your foreign policy adviser Susan Rice said you wouldn't necessarily meet with Ahmadinejad, Sen. Daschle said of course there would be conditions -- (Obama interrupts)

OBAMA: You know, Jake, I have to say I completely disagree that people have been walking back from anything. They may be correcting the characterizations or distortions of John McCain or others of what I said. What I said was I would meet with our adversaries including Iran, including Venezula, including Cuba, including North Korea, without preconditions but that does not mean without preparation.

TAPPER: Well, what's the difference?

OBAMA: There's a huge difference. When you talk about Iran, for example, the Bush administration's position has been we won't have talks with Iran until they agree to everything we want to them to agree to. That's not diplomacy. That's asking them to do what they say and then acknowledge we are willing to meet with them. That's not how diplomacy works. That's not how Ronald Reagan operated with Gorbachev or Kennedy with Khruschev or Nixon with Mao.

There are a whole seris of steps that need to be taken before you have a presidential meeting but that doesn't mean you expect the other side to agree to every item on your list. That has been the attitude of the Bush administration and that will change when I'm President of the United States. What we are doing now hasn't worked. Iran is stronger now than when George Bush took office. The Cuban people are no more free than when George Bush took office. The one area we saw progress, North Korea, and that is in direct proportion to the Bush administration's reversing itself and participating in the six-party talks when early on they refused and (North Korea) developed nuclear weapons they didn't have when George Bush took office. We will return to common sense, bipartisan approach to diplomacy that existed before George Bush. In fact, his father practiced the same diplomacy I'm talking about.

- jpt

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He can downplay iran to a big crowd with fancy talk about how they have a much samller military budget. they clap.
because he neglects to mention how Iran sponsors terrorism!

Posted by: ctc | May 21, 2008 2:01:03 PM

If all those Democrats who claim that Obama is unelectable vote for him, he'll be elected.

Posted by: captain | May 21, 2008 10:23:05 AM

Obama is wrong.
We forced North Korea into the six party talks when they wanted only direct negotiations with us. There was a lot of pressure on Bush (by political opponents at home) to continue one on one negotiations as NK wanted, but Bush insisted on keeping other countries in the area involved. It was NK that finally agreed to the six party format, not the other way around.

Obama is going to have to learn that good allies like Japan will want some say in how we deal with North Korea.

Posted by: MayBee | May 21, 2008 9:35:51 AM

The one thing I like about Obama is his push not to be pigeon-holed into a position or a sound bite. Bill Clinton had the same elastic/teflon quality. I liked Bill Clinton then too.

I don't think it is as trifling as him saying someone in my staff got that wrong either.

This preparation qualifying statement had disaster written all over it from the first debate he had with long time foreign affairs Senator Biden. When Obama first said precondition vs. preparation, I thought LOSER. But hearing him stick to that position and defend his choice compared to what Senators Clinton and McCain, then Pres. Bush have said, now it sounds like common sense.

I don't know if he is transforming the landscape as he goes or what, but it is incredible when I think of how hardened these foreign policy positions have been especially Cuba. It seems to me that the only lobby who has not been offended by these transformative foreign policy arguments may be the Canadians.

I don't mean that in a bad way either. For years, these foreign policy choices have been the bedrock of American elitism over the world. Where is this guy going to take us? Are we ready for the journey there?

It looks like half the Democratic party with less than 3 territories to go have said they want to go with him. The other half might support the Democratic nominee in the general election or the news reports suggest 30% will go to McCain and help him win in November.

I would have to say in today's politics it is one interesting campaign ride.

Posted by: Genna | May 21, 2008 9:14:20 AM

It's positively scary the lack of judgment and common sense demonstrated by a person who is running for POTUS. Did Obama ever do his homework? Does he understand history?

Or will he bring in the four horsemen of the apocalypse?

Obama's Gang of Four
Kim Jong Il
Hugo Chavez
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
Raoul Castro

and actually think they're not dangerous, but amusing since they come from small countries.

Posted by: Maria | May 21, 2008 2:46:53 AM

I remember reading and hearing way back in February many AA pundits, congressmen, and writers said there will be a huge ugly riot by Obama supporters if he is denied to be nominee. Wow! And now when Clinton supporters said they may not support BO in GE, BO supporters say we are whiners. What are they? Hooligans!

Posted by: Kalli | May 21, 2008 2:34:45 AM

Sen. Obama clearly stated that if HRC was nominated AA would vote for her the same as white working class voters would vote for him if he gets the nod.

This is not a racist comment. Next time please remain within the context of what is said.

Posted by: ginger | May 21, 2008 12:51:34 AM

Quote Obama he thinks the white colar working vote has been overstated. "It hasn't been a problem in Virginia or a problem in Iowa"-----well guess what, that was before anyone heard anything about his character, his patriotism, his "bitter" comments, and his lack of knowledge and experience---regarding all 50 STATES. That's right we have 50 States not 57 states plus. This man is self-centered, and thinks the entire world revolves around him. He is a know it all and is bent on "changing" America to a low level so that the rest of the world will accept our ways. We should have eat so much, heat or cool our homes to 72 degrees or drive SUV's (which most Americans do not have (John Edwards drives a SUV)---life in America has to decline is what he is now trying to sell the American Public for as he said the rest of the world does not accept our ways. It should be the other way around a great country should help others to be great and roll up our sleeves to enrich others and work together to make everyone's lives better.

Posted by: Anne | May 20, 2008 9:49:23 PM

I hope I live to see the day that Bush Inc is frogmarched to Nuremburg. I think you US people have NO idea what suffering they have caused. Get away from Fox and CNN - they are poisoning you with subtle indoctrination. And some of you want more of the same old same old.. it's beyond my comprehension anyway.

Do you think it is Republicans that mostly constitute the portion of the calamitous drop in your educational standards - down from 2nd in world rankings (New Zealand 1st) in 1998 to 18th now?

Posted by: Down South | May 20, 2008 7:19:02 PM

@ len
For every failed negotiation you mention, I can list 100s that have been fruitful; over the millenniums, countless wars and genocides have been resolved through negotiations. My point is that you never know if it would work until you try. I don't buy for a second the argument that Ahmadenijad is a fundamentally evil person who wouldn't react positively if you reach out to him. Also, failed negotiations such as the Kennedy/Krushchev’s can be used as learning points for subsequent negotiations. And although Obama may not be experienced in international negotiations, he wouldn't be going into this alone; I am sure he will have enough experienced people in his cabinet to guide him along or even do the work for him. All the president has to do is send a symbolic gesture by reaching out to Ahmadenijad and let his secretary of state finish the work. Heck, if Bush can govern anyone can.

Posted by: John from Chicago | May 20, 2008 6:29:40 PM

McCain's still praying people stay stupid enough to believe him, since he doesn't know much about how other countries operate, or what their procedures are. Just like Bush, in fact.

Posted by: kravitz | May 20, 2008 6:23:34 PM

For all of you people saying Obama cannot lead - it's just sour grapes. You dont' have a crystal ball do you? I can tell you this, the GOP has screwed up Foreign Policy so badly that any attempts by Obama to rectify what has been done will be seen as positive. The problem with the GOP is that they still think it's 1980 and we are in a cold war with Russia. They haven't evolved into the 21st century where we are part of a global nation and we are NOT the only nation with good ideas. Thanks to Bush we are on the verge of see our nation as a super power fade away. The GOP detests communists, however, they have no problem borrowing billions from China. We have no problem begging the Saudis for oil, even though it was their citizens who perpetrated the 911 tragedy. The GOP has only weak talking points, but can't seem to implement anything that comes close to a working government. They are history. They are all talk and bad actions. Good Riddance to the relics!

Posted by: julescator | May 20, 2008 6:22:43 PM

When Bush was vote back in 2004, the rest of the world and even some British newspapers asking how 59 million Americans could be “so dumb” as to vote for Bush

We all saw this coming, now look at the situation now.

McCain is bad news, real bad news and you have now idea how bad. worse than bush

He uses the hero thing to cover up, like a wolf in sheep clothing. Be careful not to be deceieved

Obama is your next hope, Listen to the world.

Posted by: Victor | May 20, 2008 6:14:32 PM

What I see is a candidate that knows what he is about, and will not easily be tricked. Do you honestly think that anyone who has managed to out do the ever-so-clever Hillary will fall victim to rogue states.

Bringing the power of the United States to bear in negotiations works because America has has POWER...and a lot of it. That power is being allowed to exercise itself in Diplomacy to American benefit.

Posted by: Josh | May 20, 2008 6:14:28 PM

Why do you think the likes of the vastly experienced Democratic Party stalwarts like Kerry, Kennedy, McGovern, Edwards etc, endorse Obama. They must know the greater substance of the abilities ( talent, vision, integrity, fairness, intelect etc) than all the biased opinions of anti-Obama bloggers I've had the displeasure or reading. Your opinions bear no significance to those of the stalwarts of our party.

Go Obama.

Posted by: Wilbur | May 20, 2008 6:07:08 PM

Mcain's argument that talking to rogue regimes diminishes the "prestige" of the US Presidency is exactly the kind of Bush-like arrogant attitude that has gotten us hated all over the world and allienated both allies and enemies. If talking to Iran has even a slight chance of saving 1,000s of lives and billions of dollars, then why not give it a try? If that fails then we are right back where we are now. Talking to North Korea has gotten us places, why not talk to Iran?

Posted by: John from Chicago | May 20, 2008 6:00:53 PM

You know what, I think American's have not suffered enough, Vote for McCain and watch America become a third world country far worse than Africa.

You guys are only getting a tip of the iceberg, wait until you see what is under the water. You will renounce the word Republican.

If you vote McCain, the coverup continues, but if you vote Obama, there is hope for you guys.

The rest of the world see this, too bad you guys don't. You money value is becoming worthless and you economy is bull.

"keep your friends close but your enemies closer"

if you don't believe this statement then you guys deserve what is happening to you.

Posted by: Victor | May 20, 2008 5:54:28 PM

When pro-Obama supporters do not post on-line to respect what Obama has asked us to do--to be nice to Hillary folks--the media reports that Obama has lost his support and Hillary is gaining strength. When we do defend Obama, we are lambasted for being mean to the Hillary losers who will therefore vote for McCain. Again, the moving goalposts. Nothing will appease the Hillary people but to give them victory. But Obama supporters will NEVER be appeasers. We do wish to bring the party together so the party, the feminists, the nation will win in November 08.

Posted by: shirl | May 20, 2008 5:54:02 PM

I agree with Clint Eastwood when he said it's wrong to ask Hillary to step down. She's worked her behind off, he says and needs to hang in there (in case Obama makes more bad mistakes).

Joe Biden said he couldn't agree with Obama's comments from yesterday. Yes, there's been back steps. He's lying.

Posted by: annie | May 20, 2008 5:43:18 PM

What a dangerous man! McCain is correct. Obama's way off. We do not meet with our enemies and with no preset conditions! Even Hillary, in the South Carolina debate, agreed that idea of Obama's was not the correct path. Karl Rove is right. Hillary is the stronger candidate.

Posted by: annie | May 20, 2008 5:38:07 PM

Senator Obama has been more than fair to the racists. He doesn't owe them anything, yet he maintains a respectable distance between his campaign and the race card which would be sooo easy to pull.
This is a reflection of how he would deal with our adversaries. He would be stern and humble, yet realistic. There is no progress without diplomacy and that is just what Obama has to offer.

Posted by: Gabriel | May 20, 2008 5:05:43 PM

Senator Obama has been more than fair to the racists. He doesn't owe them anything, yet he maintains a respectable distance between his campaign and the race card which would be sooo easy to pull.
This is a reflection of how he would deal with our adversaries. He would be stern and humble, yet realistic. There is no progress without diplomacy and that is just what Obama has to offer.

Posted by: Gabriel | May 20, 2008 5:05:35 PM

Karen, insulting Clinton supporters will not get them to vote for Obama. Obama supporters had better start thinking for themselves.

Posted by: tww | May 20, 2008 5:03:10 PM

Hillary sid, "DUCK! Incoming sniper fire! Oh Wait, its a little girl reading a poem. I am ready to be your commander in chief."

Posted by: power2people | May 20, 2008 4:28:18 PM

fat cat:
it is clear that you have no idea what you are talking about.
it's Obama and ONLY Obama who is willing to track down bin Laden wherever he is and pursue him and bring him to justice.
it's bush's war in iraq and scare tactics re: iran that is keeping us from that actual goal.
please read up on what you are saying, as you appear ignorant and ill-informed.

Posted by: invisible_hand | May 20, 2008 4:24:08 PM

Iran let the hostages go becasue Carter was gone. Carter made the deal with the Shah. Reagan had nothing to do with it. Remember, North and Reagan dealt with them later.. I mean real deals, for arms. Every hostage came home alive. that was Carters goal. He did it.

Posted by: power2people | May 20, 2008 4:23:49 PM

@Karen,

How arrogant and elitist you are.
How transparant you are.
You'll need us if he becomes the nominee.
Look like you don't like us anyway,,,so we will not support him in the GE.
Good luck!

Posted by: catleya | May 20, 2008 4:21:26 PM

PA voted for Clinton not for Obama. Nobody wants Obama. The media is pushing him, but Democrats won't support him in the GE.

Posted by: libre | May 20, 2008 4:13:43 PM

karen said: "Are you guys intentionally misspelling words so the Hillary Clinton's CORE group can follow?"

How elite of you.

Posted by: cappamore | May 20, 2008 4:10:35 PM

Obama said:

It shouldn't be surprising there are a number of voters who would like to see her as a nominee.
That does not mean they won't support us in GE anymore than it meant that get a large proportion of AA votes that AA wouldn't vote for Sen. Clinton if she ended up being the nominee.

No, finally he admitted race plays in this election but Clintons are not allowed to say it.

Posted by: catleya | May 20, 2008 4:08:35 PM

Hi ABC,
Are you guys intentionally misspelling words so the Hillary Clinton's CORE group can follow? Are you nervous if you spell everything correctly they will start thinking you are ELITE as well? Go back and check this document for spelling errors again.

Posted by: Karen | May 20, 2008 4:03:58 PM

.... but were the delegates always
UP FOR SALE to the highest bidder?

Isn't this akin to the selling of the presidency?

To me something smells rotten about
this. really really rotten!

Posted by: earful | May 20, 2008 3:49:36 PM

spock,
PA was smart enough not to go for bush the last 2 elections. PA will again choose the better candidate by going for Obama. There is no real comparison when you compare OLD man mc-more-war to Obama. This country cannot survive another bush term which is what mc-more-war would provide. Voters will realize this in the next couple months. Obama 2008!!

Posted by: pt | May 20, 2008 3:46:03 PM

bhrandonb -

You don't know what I was talking about? Then, ask your political Jesus his understanding of national security and threat of Iran.


On a different note, if you do not know what you are supporting, why are you supporting him any way??????

Posted by: fat cat | May 20, 2008 3:44:50 PM

Nancy - I'm a white working class rural Indiana mom and proud supporter of Obama.

Maybe you should go light on the stereotypes?

Posted by: Lynne | May 20, 2008 3:43:23 PM

I see Obama wants to pull a Carter and tell Cuba to release their political prisoners, like Carter, but what happened was Castro emptied his jails of everyone and sent them here!!

He is dangerous, whats even scarier is that he will not talk to Americans but will talk to murderers!!

By the way another difference between Soviets andIran, Soviets did not want to commit suicide.

Also the EU was talking to Iran without preconditions. and see where that got!!

Obama is a joke!

Posted by: spock | May 20, 2008 3:43:23 PM

Why can't Obama honestly address questions about his failure to connect with white working class voters? His assertion about Indiana is patently false--he lost that demographic 70/30 there and only partially compensated for it with a super majority in the african american vote. In fact, since his bone headed comments before Pennsylvania, the erosion of his support with white working class voters has been startling. Citing results in the Iowa caucus may make him feel better, but it is not going to help him win in November. Neither is this white woman Dem.

Posted by: Nancy | May 20, 2008 3:41:36 PM

Even there are the usual uninformed bloggers on here that like to bash, I'd like to point some major things Senator Kennedy has done. He always fought for raising the minimum wage which the republicans always fought against. He was a major sponsor of the family-leave-act which republicans also fought against. He has always fought to improve the health-care of all Americans. Our prayers are with you Senator Kennedy.

Posted by: pt | May 20, 2008 3:40:28 PM

I don't think Obama is anti Muslim. The problem is that many Americans are ignorant because they accept what the media has given them. Many Americans believe that to be Muslim is to be an enemy of America. As evident of this, tell me how many muslims actually have positive roles on television. More often the roles they play are terrorist in nature.

Posted by: K Eldridge | May 20, 2008 3:35:28 PM

all your republicans and ignorant people sound so so so stupid with your Muslim rants!!! you have to know where you have been to know where you are going and in reading the ignorant comments of people who claim Barack is a Muslim we certainly know where we have been. We also know we are moving well beyond you as a country.

Obama 08!!!

Posted by: J P | May 20, 2008 3:35:14 PM

It is not full of hatred, but it is absolutely true, full of frustration to see this general election going down the tube.

Posted by: fat cat | May 20, 2008 3:34:15 PM

Maybe Obama should consult with Kennedy on what really happened during the Cuban missile crisis. President John Kennedy was no hero. And Obama doesn't have his facts straight. Guess he's assuming PEOPLE ARE STUPID. This man is clueless and naive. Send him packing.

Posted by: Not Buying It | May 20, 2008 3:32:40 PM

Lynne,

You are right in that BHO has lost a sure dem vote in November.

Posted by: fat cat | May 20, 2008 3:32:05 PM

The phony hypocrite's understanding of national security and level of terror threat is measured by the size of country or group. Thus, Iran is a much less threat than the former Soviet Union. Osama Bin Ladin has not even a country, thus, poses no threat - according to BHO's logic.


You want to trust this guy?

Posted by: fat cat | May 20, 2008 3:24:50 PM

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