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Is Limbaugh’s Operation Chaos Working?
May 06, 2008 11:03 PM
Melanie Kerr is an Indiana voter we met over the weekend at the "Orchard In Bloom" festival.
She was looking forward to casting her ballot for Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY.
But she doesn’t like Clinton.
She likes Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.
She’s a Republican.
So why was she planning on voting in Indiana’s open Democratic primary?
“I want to keep the primary going as long as possible,” Kerr said. “I want to keep a debate going between the two of them…. Obama would have been untouched in my opinion if she didn't stay in the race. Then her staying in longer and even longer than (her attacks) will be in people's minds in Democratic people's minds when November comes around.”
It isn’t that Kerr thinks Clinton would be easier than Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, for McCain to defeat in the Fall. It’s the idea that with Clinton “in there, that keeps the debate between them going and we get more, uh, more chaos.”
Kerr giggles. “That's the name -- Operation Chaos.”
**
“Operation Chaos was born primarily for the purpose assuming Obama was going to be the nominee at the get-go of this,” Limbaugh explained on his show. “He needs to be bloodied up politically since McCain is not going to do it. Since the Republican Party is not going to be on the field in this way, somebody's gotta bloody up Obama. The only person that can do it is Hillary, and she can't do it if she's not in the race -- and so the purpose was Operation Chaos was to keep her in the race and to have her bloody up Obama in the process of staying in the race.”
“And, lo and behold, it's happened,” Limbaugh said. “This is the crucible of chaos. Look at what Operation Chaos has forged. Mrs. Clinton now is threatening to obliterate Iran. She says she gonna break up OPEC. She wants to hold the money brokers responsible for the alleged recession. She says she gonna renege on NAFTA. She'll take what she calls the excess profits from Big Oil. And she's going to do all that while hunting and downing shots of Crown Royal followed by a beer.
“None of that, not one of these Clinton promises would exist were it not for Operation Chaos. The train would not have come off the tracks of the Obama campaign, were it not for Operation Chaos. The Jeremiah Wright stuff and all that, yes, that would have happened, but nothing could have done anything about it because Mrs. Clinton would have been effectively out of the race, not able to mount a campaign. So we'd be in a far different spot today than we were so the purpose of this is to keep this going -- exactly what's happened.”
**
There were anecdotal reports of big turnout in Republican precincts in Indiana – with, presumably, Republican voters asking for Democratic presidential ballots.
Were they Republicans swept up in Clintonmania or Obamamania? Or did they have something more devious on their minds?
Most of the Republicans voting for Clinton or Obama this election season have been voting sincerely for those candidates – or so they told us, at any rate.
But there have been some here and there whom we’ve met and who -- like Kerr -- are part of General Limbaugh’s army.
Has there been a real impact?
Eleven percent of the voters in Indiana tonight were Republican, Marc Ambinder of the Atlantic reports -- and they went for Clinton over Obama 52% to 46%.
Over at the Huffington Post, Sam Stein crunches some of the exit poll numbers and wonders: “Thirty-six percent of primary voters said that Clinton does not share their values. And yet, among that total, one out of every five (20 percent) nevertheless voted for her in the Indiana election. Moreover, of the 10 percent of Hoosiers who said ‘neither candidate’ shared their values, 75 percent cast their ballots for Clinton.
“These are not small numbers. By comparison, of the 33 percent of voters who said Sen. Barack Obama does not share their values, only seven percent cast their ballots in his favor. Basically, more people who don't relate to Clinton are, for one reason or another, still voting for her. These are not likely to be loyal supporters.”
ABC News’ Polling Director Gary Langer does not think much of these theories.
“ABC News reported in Pennsylvania that 23% who saw Clinton as not honest and trustworthy voted for her anyway," Langer emails. "Some people don't like her but still like her better than Obama.”
He sees no data to support the notion of game playing.
The Obama campaign points out that 7 percent in the Indiana primary were Clinton primary voters who said they'd support McCain against Clinton in the general election.
Same in North Carolina. (2 percent in each were Obama voters who said they'd vote for McCain in an Obama-McCain match up.)
"But I cannot see any evidence that this has anything to do with Limbaugh," Langer says. "I guess it can't be ruled out, but neither can any number of other possibilities, at least as plausible. People who like Clinton, or who just want to see a woman nominated, but like McCain more. People who don't like Obama, or just don't want to see an African-American nominated. These people are disproportionately Republicans. But again, that doesn't mean they were trying to do damage. Indeed, they are more likely than others to think Clinton has a better chance than Obama to beat McCain. You'd think, if they were agents for McCain, they'd have voted for Obama."
**
But Mr. Limbaugh sees things differently.
Via email, Limbaugh read email “field reports…from people, commandos, operatives reporting that they have followed orders and fulfilled their duty.”
New Albany, Indiana: "I received a call from one of Obama's operatives. She asked me if I was going to vote for Obama in the primary. I said, 'No.' She asked me who I was voting for. I said, 'Operation Chaos.' The Obama worker laughed and then said, 'Okay,' with a positive tone to her voice and thanked me for my time."
Shoals, Indiana: "Rush, at 8:15 a.m. this morning I voted for Hillary Clinton in the Indiana primary. It was tough. I showered twice. I threw up a little bit in my mouth, but I did it. It was an honor to follow your orders. Matthew Sullivan."
What are you guys seeing out there?
- jpt
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Rush treats every American who is not a republican like the enemy. "If you are not for us you are against us" is the Right Wing mantra. So according to Rush my parents and I are enemies, because I am a Democrat.
I get that. My parents and I have not spoken since 2002. They do not like what I stand for and I do not like what they stand for. Each of us feel so strongly that we are permanently estranged
Of course they are old and are approaching the time in their lives when they will need help. To bad they have disowned and disinherited their children. They will spend the last of their money on nursing homes and die alone.
Happy Mothers Day Mom
Posted by: erick gammon | May 11, 2008 2:33:35 PM
Rush is a conservative and not a Republican. He's has stated multiple times that he does not support McCain's campaign and he's been critical of the Republican party and so has Hannity.
The true roots of the republican party, believe it or not, were conservative values and they were the reason for the republicans taking control of Congress and the Presidency. As for operation chaos, Rush wants Obama to win but to be bloddied also. And yes this can be considered to be lowdown and despicable, but this is how our politics work and I'm frankly tired of it. This same vote for the other guy was used to steal states that Romney would of one in the Republican primaries.
Although I will say that I hate the democratic party and sort of relish in that party being torn apart and the tactics of race and gender card that the liberals so play against republicans being used against themselves.
I have since swtiched from a Republicn over to being indepdent whose very conservative.
I frankly think it's time to form a new party and drop kick the republican and democratic party out of power. We need our 2 party system to be destroyed internally, only than will we began to solve problems in America.
Posted by: Andrew | May 8, 2008 6:41:32 PM
McCain was forced on Republicans by the left leaning voters in the New England states namely New Hampshire. It is funny watching the crats grumble about there tactics being used against them.
Posted by: Rob | May 8, 2008 2:13:57 PM
Turn off Rush Limpballs and listen to all speeches on CSPAN... OBAMA's got my vote!!
Posted by: Cbisket | May 8, 2008 1:49:06 PM
"Operation Chaos" has got to be the most unpatriotic, un-American thing I've ever heard of. Many brave men and women have fought and died for our democracy. To abuse our American rights in this way is like spitting in their faces. Shameful.
Posted by: eric | May 8, 2008 1:02:57 PM
The Republicans creating chaos are just doing what the Dems did in the early states to vote in the GOP open primaries. The main things that are being proven by this process is:
1) All primaries and caucuses should either be open or closed... none of this mix and match crap. And for that matter, the GOP should have proportional delegates, not winner take all. The better Republicans might have been more competitive.
2) None of the remaining candidates are worth getting behind on their own merits.
3) The Dem vote doesn't matter anyway... it's all about the ivory tower of the "superdelegates." The average Democrat got fooled into thinking it was a one person, one vote system.
Posted by: mec | May 8, 2008 12:55:18 PM
Dems, independents, and the MSM picked John McCain to be our nominee, so Rush Limbaugh’s interference in the Dem’s primary is welcomed justice. Equally funny, Operation Chaos is being misrepresented as some call to violence in the streets of Denver. Note to the DNC, Republicans don’t riot. Rush is just predicting, based on comments by Charlie Rangel and Rosie O'Donnell, what will happen if the party steals this nomination from Obama. Dreaming of riots, yes, inciting no.
Posted by: Daniel Burguete | May 8, 2008 9:41:02 AM
Why would any sensible person take any notice of a washed up radio talk show commentator.
I'm personally glad we don't have idiots like Rush L in England, preaching to the masses. America still has to learn about democracy and what that means. How can anybody argue for two states to be re-instated and there votes cont, when every voter did not cast a vote, because they were told the votes would not cont. Democracy is about the rules and regulations at the start of a political democratic vote, not changing the rules to suit one persons political motive , when they are facing defeat. Wake up Americans and think for yourselves,and forget that washed up Radio talk show host with his own political agenda. If he was so good, why did he not put his name on the ballot???.
Posted by: Tony in England | May 8, 2008 8:55:57 AM
My Operation Chaos: What I Learned in Talk Radio
I've learned a lot from failure. In the late 1990's I worked in AM talk radio here in Salt Lake City. In that time I worked in front of and behind the mic of two AM talk radio stations and was the program director of a third station devoted to syndicated news. When I got into radio it was with the hope and ambition of having an enduring career. One day I thought, if I work really hard maybe I could be as popular as a Rush Limbaugh, Michael Medved, or G. Gordan Liddy....
Posted by: Christopher Wilde | May 8, 2008 8:24:11 AM
HoosierSue...you're dead on. MSNBC said as many Reps. voted Obama as Hillary in Indiana...I think it was 52 Hillary, 48 Obama...so nothing earth shattering there for Mr. Limbaugh. Does anybody really listen to him. For what it's worth...I live in Calif. Registered Republican...I asked and they gave me a Democratic ticket and I voted who I want to run against McCain, in case. NEVER OBAMA....MANY HILLARY SUPPORTERS, REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT, FEEL THE SAME. I'M AFRAID NO ONE THINKS OF HILLARY'S SUPPORT WITH WOMEN OF A CERTAIN AGE, WHO HAVE VOTED REPUBLICAN FOR YEARS. I heard an African American woman on KABC talk radio here in LA, Republican, voted Hillary too. Thinks Obama is empty words, radical ideology, inexperienced. I was really surprised and impressed, as 92% of black vote goes to him...but this older AA woman voted for HRC on Feb. 5! Another Republican for Hillary...and not because of Rush.
Posted by: Debra | May 8, 2008 12:17:22 AM
Obama had 11 straight wins going into Texas and Ohio. About that same time, Limbaugh hatched Operation Chaos. I was listeningto his program the day he announced it. At first I thought he wanted Clinton to win because she's a weaker candidate against McCain, but now I agree, the purpose was to bloody Obama. Mission accomplished.
Also, McCain gets a free pass while the Democrats duke it out.
I still think Obama would have won Texas but for the Limbaugh operation. Ohio and Pennsylvania may have been legitimate Clinton wins. All other Clinton wins since the Potomac Primaries are due to Operation Chaos, IMHO.
Two more points.
I attended the Politics Online Conference in DC, the day of Texas and Ohio primaries. Republicans I met from the Ohio area confirmed their Republican friends and relatives were voting for Clinton as part of the Limbaugh operation.
Most Democrats will vote for the Democratic nominee over McCain. Pennsylvania's Governor, the one who delivered such a big win for Clinton, was quoted in Time magazine as saying he would throw all that support behind Obama if he won the nomination.
Posted by: CherylT | May 8, 2008 12:01:59 AM
McCain will be the next president. The crossovers are not going to vote for Obama in the general election. Who wants a angry black woman to be the first lady? This election belongs to the media who continue to try and run Hillary off. Obama is excused for whatever. What do Americans really know about this man?
Posted by: Suzy | May 7, 2008 10:51:08 PM
I find it sad that some of us believe that the use of deception to create division will benefit our nation in any way. This 'ends justify the means' tactic is destructive and unpatriotic.
Sometimes the means undermine the ends.
I have a proposal:
Let us counter 'project chaos' with our own mission. Let us take stock of our priorities and recognize the great number of issues we democrats agree upon. We should reach out to one another and find a way to work together. We might even consider reaching out to conservatives. Isn't that what our candidates want? Isn't that what is best for our nation and the world? Isn't that the only way we will truly move forward?
We can name this new mission after the man who ultimately inspired it: We can call it 'PROJECT LIMBAUGH'.
Posted by: jesse | May 7, 2008 10:24:06 PM
Say whatever you want, Rush. You're a conservative talk show host out for ratings above all else, and what you really want out of this election is a Democrat in the White House, someone to rail against on your show, attract like-minded listeners to your program, and boost your ratings. What makes Rush more money, a left-wing woman or black guy to scream about, or a short-armed 75 year-old war hero to play patsy and suck up to?
Posted by: coloradobama | May 7, 2008 9:58:29 PM
Hey, Irma.
Hard to belive you are a life-long Demoocrat who really is considering voting Independent because it will be a because "it will be a ROARING PROTEST THAT THEY WILL FEEL."
Yeah, right. Just like my Ron Paul buddies tell me!
There are 9 Supreme Court Justices.
The youngest ones are Conservatives.
Five of them are Conservatives and also Conservative Catholic. Speaking as a former Liberal Catholic, you don't want these people making decisions for you.
One or more Liberal Supreme Court Justices will be replaced by 2012.
Help McCain win by wasting your vote will give you a 7-2 Conservative Supreme Court that you can complain about for the rest of your life.
Posted by: garyS | May 7, 2008 9:14:56 PM
Irma: I understand your sentiments. And I agree that Obama has been the darling of MSNBC and other media. But remember, the primary season was pretty civil until the Clintons attacked Obama. First it was "plagarism," then came the South Carolina contest and the Jesse Jackson dismissal, and the came the "fairytale" comment. People got pretty pissed off at the Clinton's sense of entitlement. Before you opt out, why not wait and take a queue from Senator Clinton. If Obama wins in November she might end up in his cabinet.
Posted by: Steve from Danville | May 7, 2008 9:02:21 PM
Clinton supporters of which I am one; do not be misguided by the Republicans pretending to be on our side and encouraging us to vote for McCain. I, a life long Democrat, will be changing my party affiliation to Independent. The reason being I do not feel that the Democratic Party is representative of US, the long term Democrats who believe and fought for Civil Rights, who experienced the rip off elections of Gore and Kerry and who now support Hillary Clinton. I have volunteered throughout the years driving to other states and staying in Hotels to help where ever I was needed at my own expense. I also have donated heavily throughout the years. What I have seen done to Hillary Clinton in the media is a great injustice. I have only a masters in History; however my passion for the subject has been deep since childhood. I have experienced racism, poverty and hunger. I have also experienced great devotion from teachers and others enabling me to become educated beyond my family’s hopes and dreams. I know that this country and its Constitution is not great solely because of leaders or events, but because of the People and the Power of Protest. It is what I teach my students every year! I am not abandoning the Democratic Party; I am leaving a party that has contributed to the great injustice we are witnessing against Hillary Clinton, the most intelligent, policy savvy candidate. It is the Democratic Party that has abandoned US for a novice because of the "forces that be" who want to anoint him within our party against the wishes of the loyal Dem base. I owe this party nothing! I owe the New Democrats for Obama absolutely NOTHING! I definitely owe Obama absolutely NOTHING! I will vote for Hillary Clinton alone, hopefully through a new THIRD PARTY. I encourage a split with the Democratic Party because it will be a ROARING PROTEST THAT THEY WILL FEEL. I will NEVER vote Republican!
Posted by: irma | May 7, 2008 8:30:38 PM
Aren't you giving Rush Limbaugh more credit than he deserves? Who in their right mind would take the time and spend the energy to go down and change their registration, then go down and vote for a candidate they don't like, then go back down and change their registration a second time. And what about the tragic irony of showing the Iraqi government how we Americans practice our brand of Democracy.
Posted by: Steve from Danville | May 7, 2008 8:18:36 PM
Of course it is having an impact. Obama lost by only about 15,000 votes in Indiana. Based on the numbers in this article, clearly the Republicans who voted for Clinton made a difference in the outcome. Limbaugh is a disgusting jerk who is cynically manipulating the process. But, as much as I hate him and his ways, I guess it is his right. Too bad Rushy, it probably won't have any more impact going forward. You've blown your chances.
Posted by: AG | May 7, 2008 7:20:35 PM
I thought Rush Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" would have no significant effect on yesterday's primary elections, essentially because of the diminished impact of his opinions in the post-Bush era of American politics. However, since the Indiana primary was so close, it is worth studying the impact of this Republican dirty trick on the outcome. It may be that Hillary Clinton owes her slim margin of 'victory' to a political hack by McCain supporters, who want her to continue to damage Democrats in November. If Republican sabotage were, in fact, the deciding factor in her slim win in Indiana, it should make Senator Clinton's final decision painfully clear.
Posted by: Joey Tranchina | May 7, 2008 6:50:45 PM
I say, keep up the good work! Thanks to the extended primary season, we are seeing record registration of new, overwhelmingly young voters...WHO VOTE FOR OBAMA! We've already seen hundreds of thousand new voters in Pennsylvania who have turned it into a Democratic state...thanks Rush! In every state primary, voting turnout is smashing records...well not on the GOP side, because no one cares. Did you know that they held a GOP primary in Ind. and NC yesterday? It's true!
These new, young voters are energized and many will become volunteers for the general election when Obama is nominated. Not to mention all the downticket Democratic votes that will pour in...that Louisiana congressional seat was just the tip of the iceburg.
Thanks again, Rush! Operation Chaos works!
Posted by: HiFi | May 7, 2008 5:39:28 PM
I'm suprised that not more is made out of this...
Posted by: OU2IC | May 7, 2008 5:07:13 PM
I agree with Chris Matthews when he said it was disgusting that Limbaugh is cheapening the right to vote, which is a foundation of our democracry and something that people have fought and died to protect. Limbaugh is anything BUT a patriot. He is an ego obsessed, drug addict who could care less about the country, its institutions, or the people who love it. He only cares about his fame.
Posted by: Dan | May 7, 2008 4:26:36 PM
It's truly shameful that this is all the Republican know to do - Create Chaos!!! This is why are still in a quagmire in IRAQ.
Remember that During the Rwandan genocide of 1994, radio broadcasts called for direct acts of violence to be committed by one faction of the Rwandan public against another. These broadcasts drew considerable attention because (1) radio was the major source of information for the listeners in question, (2) the audience was largely non-literate, and (3) there was an ongoing nationalist struggle into which the broadcasts fed....
Now for weeks, Rush Limbaugh has been trying to incite political violence by giving on-air military-sounding orders, effectively 'commanding' his listeners to wage war against the U.S. Democratic electoral system. This is just pathetic and shameful -
Posted by: TheTruth | May 7, 2008 3:36:39 PM
@Stephen Gianelli,
Operation chaos does work and Clinton carried Indiana by approximately 22,000 votes. I think Rush Limbaugh should be stopped. This idea of inciting violence in Denver and asking Republicans to frustrate the country's democratic electoral system is not what true democracy is all about. We say we are taking democracy to other nations - Is this the type of democracy we hope to take to the middle east - Pathetic...
Posted by: TheTruth | May 7, 2008 3:21:32 PM
Limbaugh was not the only one to make this suggestion. Our conservative radio host in Portland (Oregon) did same thing. At that time, I thought they assumed Clinton was more beatable than Obama so she would be their placeholder, as in the conservative areas of the midwestern states. It seemed a wretched fate for the first viable woman candidate, to be a placeholder. But things have clearly gotten more complex since then.
I would ask what sort of percentage of voters you think would use the process in so cynical a way? When winning is everything no matter the rules or the ethics, of course there are people who play that way. They have survival needs driving or feel as if they do. So that's understandable. Then there could be Republicans who want to decide who wll be president if McCain loses. They might be prejudiced in some way that makes the democratic race important. I guess the Ron Paul campaign can pay them all back since it is another case of integrity that won't go away.
Posted by: Gaias Child | May 7, 2008 3:07:36 PM
Yes, HRC! Hang in there. We'll vote for you now, and then JM in the fall. Go Operation Chaos!!!
Posted by: k-man | May 7, 2008 3:07:04 PM
Obviously, the Limbaugh “operation” is not working too well--if at all. If it were working, Clinton would have carried Indiana by more than 17,000 votes.
Even (most) die-hard Clinton supporters (such as the undersigned) acknowledge that it is time for Hillary Clinton to decide precisely when and under what negotiated terms (if any) that she will gracefully withdraw from the race.
The super-delegates should have enough grace to refrain from public pressure in this regard, and allow Clinton to withdraw with dignity.
Wonkette captured the feeling with this headline: “Obama's Joyless Math Beats Hillary's Magical Maps”.
As to McGovern jumping into the fray this morning, Wonkette also nailed it with: “Famous 1972 Democrat Loser George McGovern Throws Hillary Under The Bus.”
The (publicly) uncommitted super-delegates do themselves no favors with us 50% of the Democratic electorate who supported HRC by kicking Hillary when she is down now. And it’s too late for those who have not previously endorsed Obama to suck up now anyway.
Be gracious. Seat Florida and Michigan (it will not make any difference anyway). Let Clinton withdraw on her own terms.
In addition, I would seriously think about offering HRC the veep spot—unless the DNC wants 30% to 40% of Hillary’s supporters to vote for McCain (the undersigned included).
Posted by: Stephen Gianelli | May 7, 2008 2:52:38 PM
"Obama has always had significant centrist and cross over vote.
His straight talk message of personal responsibility and asking people to achieve their potential resonates with many old time conservatives. He's in no way perfect for him but they don't despise him like they do Hillary."
Are you kidding? Obama is rated as most liberal of the three. One thing is for sure, and that is he is NOT centrist. His image of centrist not because of policy, but because he wants to offer a new form of politics. That inspiration is the image of his centrist appeal.
Unfortunately, in political terms Obama is definitely not centrist. Of the three candidates that term would probably fall on McCain for his high profile bi-partisan legislative history. Feingold, Kennedy, and Lieberman can testify to that.
Posted by: Skeptical | May 7, 2008 2:43:40 PM
Rush had nothing to do with the INDIANA election; despite claims by wussy Kerry: sorry Kerry you will always be a effete loser that allowed yourself to be swift-boated to death. You couldn't even deliver your state to Obama with all the institutional support of the state backing him. Why do you think Lake county came in late? Hmmm wouldn't have anything to do with the corrupt area trying to steal the election from the winner Hillary! All of the mayors in Lake county including the mayor of Hammond said they backed Hillary and she won most cities and areas and had their tallies by 7:30pm but alas the Gary Mayor an Obama supporter was stalling and after heated requests by the press suddenly it came in 6 hours later after prime time. Hmmm Obama as new politician: I don't think so. More of a Daley seems to me.
Posted by: charles | May 7, 2008 2:36:57 PM
If these so called conservatives that listen to Mr. Limbaugh truly wanted to do something that that would follow on what they call their core values, they could have something like "Operation Pay Troops a Living Wage and Provide Better Care to Wounded Vets" or "Operation Protect The Constitution By No Longer Allowing The White House To Subvert It" or maybe even "Operation Help The Working Man By Investigating Why Oil Companies and The War Profiteers Are Destroying the Economy".
But that wouldn't be about what these Neo-Cons that listen to the subversive Mr. Limbaugh are about...they aren't trying to protect what they call American Values, they're content to let Rush tell them what to think and allow the blame for the country's problems to be laid at the feet of those "America-Hating Liberal Elitists"...which by they way is the most ignorant phrase that could ever be uttered.
As it was stated by someone else earlier, I want my leaders to be the most elite of our country. Elite is good. Elite means the best. The smartest, the most learned, the person who will use cool intellect in response to any emergencies.
And from reading some of these comments, I can truly see that some folks need to continue their struggle with their racial biases.
Posted by: Graz | May 7, 2008 2:18:23 PM
It's laughable to think that the Rushies could so deeply influence the Democratic Primaries, while quite obviously being unable to influence their own.
They must be dizzy from their own spinning...
Posted by: RobSoLF | May 7, 2008 2:06:49 PM
I love the outrage expressed here about Rush and what he may or may not be accomplishing and the perceived nefarious actions of Republicans past and present. Especially from Joey Tranchina. I am always surprised by how some people insist on displaying their own ignorance and stupidity. Joey wins prizes but he also has a lot of company here. Oh well, if the Democrats win in November it will be these stupid people who will suffer the most. The really funny thing is that most of them will never realize that they are being bent over the railing.
Posted by: MikeD | May 7, 2008 12:34:37 PM
Fact is, almost no one believes repuplicans would naturally vote for Hillary in large numbers.
Obama has always had significant centrist and cross over vote.
His straight talk message of personal responsibility and asking people to achieve their potential resonates with many old time conservatives. He's in no way perfect for him but they don't despise him like they do Hillary.
Obama 08
Posted by: Mr Judgment | May 7, 2008 11:28:22 AM
I phoned and canvassed for Hillary in Indiana, and I can tell you without a doubt that for every Republican vote for Hillary there was one for Obama, thus they effectively cancelled each other out.
Some Reps voted Hillary either because of Rush or because they preferred her to Obama should the worst happen for Reps in November, others voted Obama because they think he'll be easier to beat.
On Rush's show on Monday, May 5th, a woman for upset with him for pushing Hillary; he assured her that OC was about keeping the Dems competing rather than nominating Hillary and AGREED with her that Hillary would win against McCain.
Posted by: HoosierSue | May 7, 2008 11:01:29 AM
Chris Matthews remarked last night that American Men and Women have DIED for our right to vote. It was what our country was founded. The ONLY purpose of a vote is for a citizen to participate in selected the best people to lead.
You who have participated in this have the scorn of Americans right and left who appreciate the sacrifice that went into the right to vote. If I ever meet one of you, best not mention your participation. Of all the stupid things the right has done in the last 20 years, this is one of the must unAmerican things I ever witnessed. There are no words strong enough to express how despicable Rush and his "ditto heads" (do you idiots even comprehend what "ditto head" implies? that you all think exactly the same...)
And the benefit of such a low and cynical act? You tainted the elections so Hillary's claim to victory is weak (esp. in TX, OH, and IN). Nothing changed in the end. You've invited the left to EFF-UP your primaries next time. And you've toughened up Obama and improved his prospects in the fall (thank you). Unfortunately you will all probably never realize how deeply the rest of the country - Dems and Repubs alike - despise you. Your politics-is-war attitude is part of the reason your pathetic party is about to go on another 40 year run of being the party out of power. No principles, no courage, and no scruples.
Posted by: JTS | May 7, 2008 10:50:57 AM
Chaos or not, it didn't work did it? I bet Sean Hannity had to change his pants last night! HA! I love it. The dems will come together in November and the Republicans will be out!!!!!
Posted by: Cindy | May 7, 2008 10:46:23 AM
Even with the Republican party and her husband propping her up, Senator Clinton is losing. 'Nuff said.
Posted by: Nobodys fool | May 7, 2008 10:21:45 AM
Operation Chaos has worked. The numbers do not lie. If it were not for OC, BHO would have won TX and IN. PA and OH would have been a much smaller victory for HRC. HRC would have been out of the race by now if it were not for OC.
No matter what you think of Rush, he has probably organized the best hit job on the Dem party by making them fight it out and show their true colors. Adversity will bring out the best of some and the worst of others.
The only one who can be blamed for the position of the Dem party is HRC. She only organized her campaign through Super Tuesday. BHO organized for all 50 states. Blame her chairs all you want, but the decision was hers.
Weighing in on FL and MI...how can you have a revote when 15-20% of Dem voters in these states voted for McCain? MI and FL did not have the Dem turnout like the other states. In contrast, why was the Rep turnout much higher in FL and MI when compared to other Rep primaries? Kind of hard to have a revote when people voted for McCain and now they want a chance to vote for the Dem nominee. FL and MI were the Dem version of Operation Chaos.
Posted by: Joe | May 7, 2008 9:48:14 AM
Look this article is incomplete. There is way more evidence of operation Chaos. First off, before Texas and Ohio Obama was winning Republican votes 3 to 1 over Hillary. After Operation Chaos started they started splitting the votes even. This was before Wright or Bittergate or any of those things. In Texas people openly said at polls that they vote for HRC to hurt Obama. This number according to the huffington post was about 100,000 the exact margin Obama lost by in TX. IN Mississippi where Obama won, the margin of Republicans who said they were voting for HRC to hurt Hillary was even higher. The effect in an open primary is 1 to 2.5 points. But in Indian and Texas that's all it took. (There are some convincing and more detailed looks at Texas and Mississippi on huffingtonpost.com.) I'm not trying to bash HRC, this isn't her doing and she won Ohio and PA without the Rush hands down. But Rush was right, for Hillary to stay in it she needed to bloody Obama. McCain spending a weeks calling Obama an elitist for a slip of the tongue would have been a predictable GOP attack and a large number of people, sick of the GOP, would have ridden it off. But when HRC, a Dem, does it to the Regan Democrats who are a swing vote, it has a different effect. She trying to stay in the race and win I understand BUT Rush was right, the longer it goes on the more Obama will be hurt b/c HRC will be able to land some punches the GOP can't.
Posted by: Soy Boy | May 7, 2008 9:31:40 AM
It's ashame the world we all love has sunk so low as to base their opinion off of a "recommendation" called operation Chaos. Sean Hannity often at times name Democrates "mindless masses" and spend most if not all of his time spewing venom on Obama. What is that really about? Why would you voting for someone you don't even want to win? Now that,is mindless....right?
Posted by: unitedfront | May 7, 2008 9:31:32 AM
Hillary please run as an independent in the general election!
Posted by: Josh | May 7, 2008 9:20:50 AM
Limbaugh is trying to cover his failure in infuencing the republican primeries,he is trying to make people think he is relevant again. And, it is foolish to think that his ultimate aim is make democrats destroy each other for the benefit of McCain; he never liked McCain, and I bet you my life that he would rather the democrats win than McCain.
Posted by: Aidha | May 7, 2008 8:51:56 AM
"So, why should there be an appreciable Rush effect in the Democratic primaries, when Democratic voters soundly outnumber Republican voters? The numbers do not work out."
Ummm, because McCain has the nomination sewed up, and there's not as much at stake in local elections.
Posted by: Keith_Indy | May 7, 2008 8:47:15 AM
Indiana has OPEN PRIMARIES.
Democrats can select the Republican ballot, and Republicans can select the Democrat ballot.
A couple Democrats I know are so disgusted by both Obama and Hillary, that they were going to switch over so they could vote for Ron Paul.
Posted by: Keith_Indy | May 7, 2008 8:44:37 AM
Yes, Rush is helping. Helping the Democratics and the next President Bararack Obama. Even Rush, won't vote for John Mccain.
Thank you Rush for all the GOP members, who pledged votes for Hillary and will stay Democratic Voters For Life!
God Bless Rush! God Bless America!
Posted by: latinovoter1 | May 7, 2008 8:41:52 AM
I notice that there was no Rush Limbaugh effect to be found in the Republican primaries: Republican voters selected a centrist. So, why should there be an appreciable Rush effect in the Democratic primaries, when Democratic voters soundly outnumber Republican voters? The numbers do not work out.
Posted by: Valerie | May 7, 2008 8:01:48 AM
The Democrats ought to abolish the open primpary. You don't see the Republicans having open primaries in which Democrats can vote to skew the Republican results. Why do the Democrats open themselves to this kind of vast right wing sabotage? They are not too smart to let that go on. You don't see the Republicans allowing open primaries. Guess why? They want a lock-step vote and they get it. This is why we have this protracted Hillary vs. Obama debacle. The Democrats have taken inclusiveness too far to their own detriment. It may put McCain in the White House.
Posted by: hageehoggie | May 7, 2008 7:34:26 AM
For those who keep harping on the Fairness Doctrine. What's unfair now? Anyone can set up a show, network and syndicate their wares now to whoever is to buy them. It can be on air or on the net. But just like professional sports, the better talents will rise to the top. So will the better ideas.
Saddam had everyone voting, or else :-)
Posted by: Jerry | May 7, 2008 7:23:47 AM
Operation Chaos was far more myth than was ever a real vote.
Besides. Its irrelivant now. On top of that, it wasnt Clintons fault what Limbaugh said or us Clinton supporters.
Lets all now stop this nonsense and rally the party around Obama.
There is no need to go on fighting anymore.
Posted by: tomdavie | May 7, 2008 6:22:43 AM
I am,admittedly, a staunch Republican, but, I am not a fan of Rush Limbaugh. In fact, I consider myself more conservative than Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Newt Gingrich and Pat Buchannan.
By the time November rolls around and all the campaigning and debating is done, we will find that the Republicans who have supported Hillary and the Independents will come back into the party fold and support the best candidate. Of course, Mike Huckabee was the best candidate, but, we are saddled with McCain. I'll take McCain any day over Obama or Clinton.
Posted by: Larkin Mead | May 7, 2008 6:19:06 AM
Clinton recieved 53% of the Republican vote in Indiana...
she won Indiana by 23,000+
Limbaugh’s Operation Chaos denfinitely worked.
Last night was a great night for Obama.
Posted by: Vanessa | May 7, 2008 6:18:38 AM
Both IN and NC go to McCain in November. GOP states as usual. That's the story.
Posted by: geevill | May 7, 2008 5:54:55 AM
Quote: And there are many of us who are uncomfortable with Obama as a candidate, because he'll be seen as a soft touch by our country's adversaries, and because who Obama actually is is not who he claims to be.
And that's why you and your relatives are losing in this election cycle. The reason why is because you are ruled by ideology rather than facts...just like Limbaugh.
The facts show that Obama is the most honest and believable candidate in this election, and is exactly who "he claims to be."
The facts do not give evidence to the "fear" that Obama will be a "soft touch" to any adversary. He certainly hasn't been a soft touch to the Clintons, and there's no policy position you can point to that backs up such an idea. Talking to one's adversaries in an attempt to make them allies is a position of strength. What is NOT strength is the disastrous drug-store cowboy ideology of Bush. Obama will not only be strong, he will be smart.
Posted by: Wayne | May 7, 2008 4:52:10 AM
Operation Chaos. Conservative republicans handed Hillary a narrow victory: this is a story the media should be telling!
Posted by: David | May 7, 2008 4:47:28 AM
On 1/21/2009, I hope the new
President renews the Fairness
Doctrine. This doctrine says
that if you use the public
airwaves for political comment,
you have to have someone present
the other side to at the same
time. It does not inhibit debate.
I have had more than one right
wing GOP talk show host state
that that would drive them off
the air. Goodbye Rush, Sean,
Gibson and the rest of that
foolish crowd.
Posted by: Beto | May 7, 2008 4:33:23 AM
Between the number of voters who voted for either Clinton or Obama (and plan to vote for McCain), Clinton enjoys a margin of +4.7 percent. About 7 percent of all primary voters who voted for Sen. Hillary Clinton today plan to vote for Sen. John McCain in the fall. Without the 4.7 percent Limbaugh effect, Obama could have won.
Posted by: andrewfl | May 7, 2008 4:25:09 AM
Debra, you hit on the nose, out of the park. Rush is the embodiment of professional wrestling as politics. It's not in the issue, it's in the personal enrichment. He wouldn't know a fair fight if it bit him on the ass. But as long as there is Hillary, there is low hanging fruit to gather, more slop to wallow in, more "operation chaos" (you gotta give him credit--a rich imagination) Hate to say it, but Hillary is toast, now he has to deal with the real problem, his "negro" problem. Can't wait to hear how that unfolds.
Posted by: Tdub | May 7, 2008 4:08:04 AM
Chaos is all they have left. They will win nothing in the general election. Rush will continue gnashing any Democrat in sight, but see this for the wild ugly desperation move it clearly is.
Obama is emerging as a far better candidate for this pretrial under fire. It is really his first taste of a seriously unscrupulous opponent, in a radically skewed media landscape stacked firmly against him and he is adapting pretty well.
Posted by: stockpix | May 7, 2008 4:02:38 AM
This idea that Rush Limbaugh is making hundreds of thousands of folks vote for Clinton is an outright media invention.
Posted by: tomdavie | May 7, 2008 3:52:12 AM
This is ridiculous. I have never heard Rush along with millions of other Americans. I am a Republican who voted Hillary on Feb. 5 because she was my candidate of choice and still is. I know hundreds of Republicans who crossed over this year because THE SLIGHTEST CHANCE OF AN OBAMA IN WH IS FEAR INDUCING! Though McCain would have an easier time beating BO, we Reps would rather take our chances with Hillary, should we get a "default" President. THAT' THE TRUTH. Very small percentage of people would take the time to change around with their party/vote....so get over it and go to sleep. CLINTON OR McCAIN '08!!!
Posted by: Debra | May 7, 2008 3:39:32 AM
I think jbwalker (way down the list) is on to something. An almost inevitable democratic victory in November leaves Rush with 2 options: 4 years of having to watch his mouth as he bashes daily a black man so as not to let slip out anything that could be considered racist and potentially end his career, or 4 more blissful years of getting to spew on and on about a Clinton, his meat and potatoes, the very family that paid his pharmacy bills throughout the 90's and well into this decade as well. I think Rush has a vested interest in seeing Hillary win this thing, and I wouldn't put it past him either... His army should be wary...
Posted by: jasondet | May 7, 2008 3:39:09 AM
Why am I not surprised by operation chaos. Every person I ever knew who listened to Rush Limbaugh was a wormy cheating type. My landlord his wife in the head with a board while building his own house. She fakes dizzy spells; and now they sit around crying about the evil 'liberals' and collecting their checks. They also register their cars in South Dakota, have mortgage tax scams, steal verizon internet, and engage in various other slimy behavior; all the while waving the flag, blaring Rush, and calling everybody liberals. Rush's followers are just children who never grew up, so this type of *whee) fun is right up their alley. Let's just make a mockery of all the troops who died in battle fighting for the freedom to vote, and laugh about it.
Posted by: JR | May 7, 2008 3:36:21 AM
The funny thing is everyone said before this began was that this Presidential election was the Democrats to lose. Everyone one said that the only way they could lose the Pres election was if this was a long heated bitter drawn out campaign and this is exactly what is happening. I was hoping for a change but as usual our great leaders in our political system have done nothing but crank up the empty campaign only promises, and get dirty and destroy each other. Realistically the only way for Clinton to win is to continue this bitter fight until both have been torn beyond repair for the elections. What turned me against Clinton is that she agreed about Michigan and Florida before the voting started. Then when things appeared as if it wasn't going to be as easy as she thought she turned and campaigned in Florida and wants votes counted in each. She wants to TURN the Superdelegates against the popular vote. After they decried what happened to Gore she wants to do it to Obama! This election has truly sickened me. As good as what the Clinton's were for the Dems in the 90's they have become a caricature of themselves. They seem so power hungry and do anything it takes to win it scares me.
Posted by: BrianL | May 7, 2008 3:33:59 AM
I am a former Republican and I became so long before Limbaugh and Hannity started their voter fraud campaigns. I will admit I was a supporter of Nelson Rockefeller and Richard Nixon, individuals who embraced the tenants of the 1964 Republican party platform. The Republican party today is not a reflection of the true Republican party values exhibited in that platform. Limbaugh and Hannity do not represent core Republican values, they are an embarrassment to the true core values of the party. The voter fraud they have advocated and perpetrated on the American people is a travesty. It began with Texas, my home state, and has continued through Ohio, Pa. and now Indiana and NC. The state of Ohio has notions of filing charges and I do hope they follow through. It is a 5th degree felony in Ohio, and I hope all of the so called Republicans who chose to follow Limbaugh and Hannity's lead are sweating a bit thinking about the charges that may be filed against them. Don't think it can't or won't happen. Just ask all the ones who worked for ACORN who have been charged and prosecuted on voter fraud charges. Furthermore it reflects badly on Clinton who evidently condones the actions and revels in her short lived victory, thanks to those who have chosen to commit voter fraud on her behalf. I have spent over a year researching every candidate from the beginning. Even though I don't agree with all of Senator Obama's policies, overall he is the only one embracing the core values of the 1964 Republican party, whether intentional or not, along with a bit of JFK thrown in. This former Republican doesn't care who his preacher is, or whose dinner party he attended once upon a time. I'm not voting for his preacher. I'm voting for the person who has demonstrated a wisdom and an intelligence this nation hasn't seen in a leader for a long time.
Posted by: GC | May 7, 2008 3:32:00 AM
The Republicans have made a FOOL out of Hillary Clinton
Posted by: M | May 7, 2008 3:30:14 AM
Obama has proved that he is made of sterner stuff than some people thought. America is too big a nation for a few racists to frustrate the election of a world class leader. Yes you can
Posted by: sinna mani | May 7, 2008 3:25:26 AM
Rush Limbaugh and his GANG need to be prosecuted and treated like the criminals that they are. They need jail time for trying to collectively sabbotage a National Election. Any Lawyers out there? We need a suit against Rush and his cult "followers." They made the difference that changed TX too. OBAMA really won TX from actual Democratic voters.
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