Political Punch

The lessor of two evils? McCain or Obama? Let me begin here. As I read all the comments on McCains beliefs or Obama's. My opinion is simply this. There is a wolf in sheeps clothing lurking. I can not believe that someone can attend a group or functions or conventions,or gathering of people, or a church and listen to racial comments for 20 years and not have been effected in ways we can only imagine. Obama is nothing more than covering his motives. However, as much as I hate this bickering of church and state, I do believe its only opened a blind maybe just enough that hopfully we can see what truly lies behind Obmam's thoughts and beliefs. If elected President, I truly will worry where he leads our nation. McCain might be older than any other President if he is elected. However, experiance comes with age. As a former Marine I know which has more experiance to lead our great military and failing Nation. I have never been Rep. or a Dem. I have always been for who I felt is the best to lead our nation. Bush has torn apart this country by his lies, and his tactics, not to mention his miserable military leadership. However, that does not mean that the Rep. party is this horrible group of people that will only carry on Bushes mistakes.
I know most people running for office tend to balance between the truth and a lie. They want to win. However, I also still believe in honor, courage and commitment that is instilled in a person when you take the oath of serving your country as a military personal. Let's really speak the truth here. People are remember for the things they do, not for all the things they aquiered in possesions and wealth. IN the end they are remembered for their honor and how they treated others. Bush will be remembered not as a great savor to the world, but a lier. He certainly does not have his fathers charector. Obama, is a great speaker,just like Hilter was. This time for a change and lets all work together and reunite the country is nothing more than a champain slogan. Lets look beyond his slogan. Lets start to open our eyes and see that he would not of stayed in his church for 20 years if he did not believe in what was tought. If he so hated that type of remarks as his "former" pastor spoke why then did he decide after 20 years and running for the highest power in the world before he denounce his pastor.
LIke Germany, years ago....the people were struggling in hardships, wanted a change. Here now comes a captivating speaker with great promisses of hope and power. The people were mis lead and were blinded by his speaches. Obama might not be Hitler per-say because I do not believe Obama is evil...but there are red flags flapping all around him. McCain might not of been my first choice but Obama was never a choice.
I would love to believe in Obama of reuniting our country and lets make a change...however, I only believe that it will not be the change we all hoped for. McCain has my support this time around. Obama I can only hope that people will open their eyes and not let their struggles and hardship blind them to words of hope.

As the Washington Time story shows, Jews agree with Hagee.

It's a relief that Pastor Hagee has been vindicated by the Jews in that story. Pastor Hagee is a scholar and could not have been wrong about what he said, and, now, Jews have come forward to say that he, indeed, has the correct interpretation of the Word of God on the subject.

Thanks, Paula, for correcting that.

so fact >>>> so fast

I wonder whether the accurate and objective journalists at the networks will report that Jewish scholars are behind Pastor Hagee's version of the Word of God.

It's always nice when the goofy Libs jump the gun and speak too soon because, then, they look so foolish. Or should I say look even more foolish.

I'm also happy to see that Jews are coming to the aid of Pastor Hagee, backing up his statements as being scriptural.

The only ones complaining are the ones who don't know the Word of God, as that story indicates. Ain't that always the case!

--Jews NOT offended by Pastor Hagee's comments...--

The issue is settled then. I'm happy.

==Im sure that we all believe that jesus will some day come back and save us all...==

Not scriptural.

Only few will find the gate. Most will not.

Do you think Jesus would endorse any of things these lunotic hate preachers say? I think not! They have more in common with Satan then Jesus for sure. Jesus was a liberal. McCain was crazy to let the lunitic hate preachers endorse him. He must have had a fit of demensia.

The progressives are trying to bail the water out of Obama's swiftboat. It's sinking fast.

"Two-cats":

I discussed that I was disappointed in
McCain's connection to this pastor. I am also disgusted by Obama's pandering to his religious constituency. You fail to comment on Obama's "cynicism." Both candidates are forced by some of their supporters to pay homage to the religious factions of their constituency. It is my fondest wish that our leaders would reject such contact, and return to the quiet and reasoned deism of the age of enlightenment at most. Fat chance, I know.

I just feel McCain is quicker to recognize and denounce "crazy" and stupid comments, which they are, whether coming from Wright, Hagee, Moss, Farrakhan, Robertson, Falwell, etc.

Moss is just as nuts as Wright, yet Obama praises him. Obama knew, for years, that his pastor was a nut, but ignored his nutty ways. Also, Ayers was more of a friend than Obama is letting on. Ayers is a die-hard communist/marxist who flies to Venezuela to praise "the revolution" under Chavez and has childish Che stickers on his office door. (I am an unapologetic anti-communist, as well as an atheist). Just makes me worry about the cabinet and other appointments under Obama is all.

Just my subjective opinion...I respect yours, as well. If you don't like McCain, that's totally fine. Choosing a president to me is always about choosing the lesser of two evils, and never about having complete satisfaction. I am sure you have a principled position to dislike McCain. Let me have mine to give the edge to him.

I may not be the smartest christ follower in the world, but we need to stop fighting and letting pride get the best of all races..(read all of 2nd timothy and it should say some were about teaching people with gentleness not hatred.)we dont realize that religious leaders and followers are fighing over what is right or wrong and we dont realize that satan is sneaking right under our paths and the next thing you know..BAMMMM!!!!!he got us.Im sure that we all believe that jesus will some day come back and save us all so lets help one another, love and respect one another till then and he will decide what is right or wrong...for my non believers please give you life to God, his love is so amazing, I want you to feel his love just the way I have felt it over the years..Dont feel that you messed up and no one or even god wont foegive you, He will just repent your sins with a humble and broken heart and he will forgive you...please you dont nkow how it feel to have someone love you that much..i want everyone to feel my joy...god is love....luke1:37...dont give up hope.....

Don't believe this was Senator McCain's "mentor" or minister. He did the right thing. The liberal's are becoming more and more sickening. NOBAMA for me.

Mr. Incredible: You response to my post is almost too incoherent, for me to make a coherent response but I will attempt one.

"Soooo Jesus was a liar???" I don't know. What do you think Jesus said? I read that he said: "By their fruits you shall know them." and something about how we could spot the true Christians because they loved one another. Frankly, analyzing the fruits of Christianity in history shows a mixed basket and it seems to me that you have to go a long way to find much love among them. Your response to --- SECOND: America was not founded by Christians. It was founded by a mix of people who had a multiplicity of beliefs. --- was "Not true." Well, if you believe that is not true, i think you need to stop getting your American History in church and read a book, because it is true.

To --- This is a country made of Citizens not Christians, and Christians who don't know that disgrace our constitution. --- you wrote: "Those who first settled this place were Christians bent on advancing Christianity..." Well, again, you missed the point. Assuming you were referring to the Puritans, who were a group of fringe religious fruit-cakes that the Europeans, even the extremely tolerant Dutch, were glad to be rid of, founded a colony not a country. In the strange history of that colony, they did some VERY weird things, like torturing & burning women as witches --- hardly role models of Christian kindness. But at the end of the day, their descendants formed one of 13 colonies. If you read the works of the Americans who signed the "Declaration of Independence" and debated and wrote the Constitution, many of them were not by any stretch of the imagination, what Christians would call "Christians." Again, go to the public library (not the church library) get a few books and read them. Then tell me I'm wrong.

To my rather inelegant statement --- You are not allowing me freedom of religion to not be a Christian. --- You response, "Nobody's stopping you." made my want to repeat a phrase that was common many years ago, when I was in school: "Thanks, that's mighty white of you." The idea that Fundamentalist Christians teach lies about the history of diversity in American and believe that they have special rights in their "Christian Country," has been very destructive to the common good of all Americans. This is essentially a political discussion not a philosophical or historical one. I assert that the effect of Fundamentalist Christianity on American politics has, on the whole, been a destructive one. Christianity is not a political party.

I also believe that their preoccupation with intrusive morality has made fools out of working people in America; it has focused their attention on non-issues (like banning abortion & slowing gay rights) which has led to their support of a government that has cost them their jobs and diminished their children's futures. Worst of all. people have stopped listening to each other; our political dialogue has become the replay of ideological tapes; where everybody has all the answers which they can implement only by crushing the other side. Guess what, NOBODY HAS ALL THE ANSWERS. We must work together if we are going to make things work.
Anyway, that's enough, I have work to do...jt

WHY IS THIS POST BEING DELETED? BY WHAT STANDARD DOES IT GIVE OFFENSE & TO WHOM?

I couldn't believe he chose to stick with this pastor when he called the Catholic Church a great *****.

Any Protestant church should be able to accept the history of the church through the Catholicism. It might not be a history they can embrace but to call the Catholic Church a whore? It is so ugly to be unconscionable.

The other thing that hurts me as a Christian is why is it so necessary to be better than the next sinner? If you believe in Christ, your own sins are equal in front of God as your neighbors. It is forgiveness that makes you worthy of God's forgiveness. To run around calling other people ****** is forgetting what we are all supposed to care about God's judgement NOT EACH OTHERS.

I knew it was a bad idea for the media to be trolling around churches looking for stuff they think is objectionable. Wright was a religious figure for Obama whom he had to reject and denounce in a political sphere. The media standing in for the public made it impossible for Obama to stand up. Wright through his defiance and impolitic presence at the National Press Club hastened Obama's departure.

Now, we are in another set of churches Hagee and Parsons. They have said things that also offend wide swaths of the public through biblical exegeses. At what point, does the media want to take scholastic biblical inpretative courses so they can understand what messages these pastors are using to support their arguments?

The media needs to stay out of the church house. I have not particularly liked the gap in coverage when it comes to using the Koran to assert points that the American public does not care for either. Those texts, the Torah, the Bible, and the Koran, should be used in religious contexts by scholars who understand them. Misquoting or misattributions will be the king of the media day otherwise.

"It's very hard trying to do the Lord's work in the city of Satan [our nation's capital] (laughter) and I'm very grateful to have all of you here." -- John McCain, while attending a Christians United for Israel (CUFI) meeting, July 17 2007
Posted by: BMurphyNYC | May 23, 2008 10:18:42 AM
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Then, be sure not to vote for McCain.

"It's very hard trying to do the Lord's work in the city of Satan [our nation's capital] (laughter) and I'm very grateful to have all of you here." -- John McCain, while attending a Christians United for Israel (CUFI) meeting, July 17 2007