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Obama Moves on to General Election Before Primaries Conclude

May 26, 2008 9:39 PM

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was campaigning in New Mexico today, and this week he will also hit Nevada and Colorado.

These are states that have already held their primaries -- Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., won New Mexico, she won Nevada, though Obama won more delegates, and Obama won Colorado.

Is the Democratic primary season over? No, it's not. But Obama is signaling that he has moved on to the general election.

Puerto Rico and its 55 pledged delegates are up for grabs Sunday, and Montana and South Dakota will hold their contests -- with a combined 31 pledged delegates available -- on Tuesday, June 3. Obama will spend time in all three states, but he will also be spending time in these general election states, instead of spending time in the primary states.

So, is it presumptuous for Obama to be campaigning in states other than the three holding contests this week?

Depends who you ask.

Certainly the math is tough, if not impossible, for Clinton.

But then again, what signal does it send that Obama is taking time he could be spending in PR, MT, and SD, focused on the general election? Certainly that signal is something his campaign wants to be sending. They want everyone, especially the media and the 200-plus uncommitted superdelegates, to say this is all over.

But we don't know what the Democratic National Committee's rules and bylaws committee will decide to do on Saturday, when it rules on the Michigan and Florida contests.

The ruling will likely mean the number of delegates needed to win the nomination will change.

And what happens if 900,000 Puerto Ricans turn out on Sunday and vote 70-30 for Clinton? Won't that seriously buttress her popular vote argument so that she doesn't have to rely on that fuzzy math where she gives herself 320,000 votes from Michigan and gives Obama zero?

And what happens if Obama doesn't win Montana or South Dakota, states he's expected to put in his column? Will he regret his time in Las Cruces?

The math is the math, yes, but Obama acting as if this is all a done deal certainly might rub some Democrats the wrong way. What say you? Is he being arrogant or pragmatic? Presumptuous or wise?

- jpt

May 26, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (273)

User Comments

It is SO tragic how the media has hurt Hillary OVER AND OVER again, how the late night show hosts ridicule her, not her policies, but her laugh, her facial expressions, stupid things that are WAY below the belt, from everyone, mostly men, who are really scared of a woman in a previously man's position. That shows their insecurities and stupidities. But precious Obama has never been subject to such verbal torment by the media, probably because he is a man.

The men cannot accept that a woman is really that intelligent, qualified to be President, experienced, and that would make the best President we would have ever seen in a long, long time.

The two-faced treatment of Hillary in the press, and with Obama not facing the same treatment from everyone, has given him an unfair advantage. No one ever heard of him before this, he has no track record, and if he wins, he will have won unfairly, by stupid people.

GET REAL. GROW UP. VOTE FOR THE MOST QUALIFIED PERSON, WITH THE BEST HEAD ON THEIR SHOULDERS. WE NEED A GOOD PRESIDENT LIKE HILLARY!

Posted by: GET REAL | May 28, 2008 11:40:42 AM

Obama is an idiot. Get Real. He has NO experience in Washington or foreign affairs, and will make blunders that will REALLY harm America. But if he is elected, it will be too late. And we all know he will mostly support a "particular" group of people.

Hillary knows what she is doing. She will be truly "READY ON DAY ONE", and she was supported by 34 AMERICAN GENERALS to that effect, (see video). And she has spent her whole life helping children, the underprivileged, the underdog, and the elderly. She has a strong sense of justice.

It will truly be wrong if she is not elected. She is the best candidate I have seen in many, many years.

Posted by: GET REAL | May 28, 2008 11:29:10 AM

Arrogant? You bet. Let the people finish voting please. Then the MI and FL votes have to be worked out and then the SuperDems must vote. This is not a done deal. To act like it is, really is presumptious and disrespectful to the remaining voters and it's disrespectful to the process. June 3rd is just a week away, the Obama camp could have waited until then at the very least.

Posted by: OceanCityGirl | May 28, 2008 10:13:59 AM

Tired of Ignorance....Obama has actually only worked in the Senate about 150 days...heard that on Fox news about a month ago. A three year Senator has been working more on his Presidential campaign, it seems.

Posted by: Debra | May 28, 2008 1:31:09 AM

YES WE CAN speak truth to power.
YES WE CAN stand in righteous indignation against the injustice we have felt from members of our own party.
YES WE CAN exercise our right to vote for whomever we feel will best serve the nation.
YES WE CAN refuse to support a party that has turned it's back on it's most loyal supporters.
YES WE CAN stand on principle, in large numbers, because there are more important things than politics.
YES WE CAN change our party affiliation.
YES WE CAN stand up against fear mongering from our former party(Roe v. Wade)
YES WE CAN recognize incompetence in our Democratic Congress and feel secure in knowing that they don't get anything done anyway.
YES WE CAN say NO to change we don't believe in.
YES WE CAN vote for McCain in Nov, and deny the presidency to a man we consider to be nothing more than a politically expedient, self serving, corrupt fraud.
YES WE CAN, and many of us will.

Posted by: rosietheriveter | May 28, 2008 12:04:23 AM

Wow. All of this talk about Obama not having enough experience!
Hilary actually has less experience as an elected official.
Hillary - 2000-present as NY Sentor
Barack - 1996--2004 in Ill Senate
2004-present Il Senator

Sleeping with the president doesn't count. There are a lot of women who could claim that same experience. lol

Posted by: Tired of Ignorance | May 27, 2008 8:49:17 PM

If Obama was seriously campaigning to WIN the general election, you'd think he'd start mending some fences with all the HRC "sweeties" he's royally ticked off!

Posted by: Amy | May 27, 2008 7:20:59 PM

HoosierSue | May 27, 2008 4:10:48 PM

;-)

Posted by: eyes open | May 27, 2008 6:42:06 PM

Many women who are avowed Hillary Clinton supporters are declaring they won't vote for Barack Obama in the fall. I get the anger and the disappointment. But to quote SNL's Amy Poehler and Seth Meyers: Really? You'd rather vote for John McCain, a man who has a 25-year history of voting against a woman's right to choose? A man who over the last eight years that NARAL has released a pro-choice scorecard has received a 0 percent rating? A man whose campaign website says he believes Roe v. Wade "must be overturned"? A man who has vowed that, as president, he will be "a loyal and unswerving friend of the right to life movement"? Really?

Posted by: Kate | May 27, 2008 5:56:36 PM

dennis writes, "it's high time this country get united..."

I agree. United against Obama!

Posted by: HoosierSue | May 27, 2008 4:10:48 PM

Obama has to move on because McCain has moved on! The DEM party continues to hide its head in the sand an hope it all works out.

Hillary probably will win PuertoRico by 70-30 and loose MT and SD moderately....this is getting very predictable. But it won't matter.

Posted by: Young Atheart | May 27, 2008 2:38:40 PM

You're kidding, right? Obama has won the majority of pledged delegates and is clearly the inevitable nominee while Hillary Clinton continues a disgraceful strategy of lying and cheating her way to a stolen nomination, which won't happen. Everyone knows this except the Clintons and perhaps yourself. Everyone knows that the popular vote measure doesn't matter and is wholly illegitimate and impossible to calculate fairly, except the Clintons and perhaps yourself. This silly, speculative post suggests that the Obama campaign knows nothing more than you about the internal polling of the final primaries and what will happen on May 31. For the record, I have no problem with Obama campaigning for the general election now, as he should. Not even the Clintons have complained about that, they're too busy lying and cheating and, well you know the rest.

Posted by: DoctorJ | May 27, 2008 1:50:49 PM

I think he has to manage a fine balancing act. On the one hand, he needs to go back to S.D., MT, and PR, and campaign like he wants to win these states. On the other hand, campaignig as if he were already in the GE, as he did over the weekend sends an important signal not only to the Supers, but also to McCain.

But it is a fine line.

Posted by: Suzanne | May 27, 2008 1:38:28 PM

Jack Tapper is showing his true worth, trying to elongate the democratic primary season. It makes for good copy.

This is why the DP has dragged on so long, is articles like this one that perpetuate the myth that Clinton can win. The MATH IS IT. Yes it is impossible... so why all the hand wringing and nay saying.

This thing has been over for some time now, it's just that the Hillary will not admit it (hoping for the worst quite clearly) and that the media is playing along.

This has been damaging for the country, but it sells papers and makes for 'interesting' commentary. But in then end, it will be Obama, he has already won. So there is no need for him to contest these last primaries... get over it Jack.

Posted by: BubbiSmith | May 27, 2008 1:13:09 PM

Obama is doing the right thing, let's get the DNC juggernaut going, dispel RNC's hogwash, and patch up Clinton's slurs.

We've all seen how fast things have changed since Last November, by November '08 it'll be "Hilary who?"

It's high time this country gets united, gets Bush/Cheney into the historical best seller list, and starts using the incredible amount of tax dollars we Americans give to the IRS for humanitarian aid and diplomacy instead of bombs.

Us babay boomers thought we'd done it right by getting Nixon gone and the US out of Vietnam. Looks like we were just priming the pump so the next generation could really step up to the plate.

Obama in '08 and '12.

Posted by: dennis | May 27, 2008 12:58:27 PM

Old Soldier, the Graham-Burr-McCain GI Bill is a better bill.

Posted by: James Danley | May 27, 2008 12:54:16 PM

and it will show the dnc, the media, and obama supporters who voted for him before really knowing anything about him
obama is underqualfied to be president.
he should have tried to add to his political resume' before running for president.
the dnc should have tried to be fair. they were not.
the media should have not taken sides they should have vetted obama early on
if they had the dems would have been going back to the wh.
if not with sen. clinton, biden or edwards.
black people voted blindly for obama for all the wrong reasons for voting for a president.
and now the country will suffer

Posted by: worldcitizen | May 27, 2008 12:38:15 PM

WHITE FEMALE VOTER | May 27, 2008 9:28:38 AM:

How about some facts to quantify your rant!

Posted by: EYES EXTREMELYWIDE OPEN | May 27, 2008 12:37:31 PM

Democrats who are getting their feelings hurt by how Senator Obama is choosing to finish the primary campaign season should just vote for John McCain and get 8 more years of the Iraq War, the inasion of Iran and, for domestic policy, the reversal of Roe vs. Wade. That will show Senator Obama a thing or two.

Posted by: Bob malone | May 27, 2008 12:20:11 PM

this supporter of sen. clinton will be voting for mccain.

Posted by: worldcitizen | May 27, 2008 11:43:00 AM

A few unpopular decisions by President Obama and the love affair and fanatical fans will quickly fade.

He won't have Hillary or racist or his campaign to blame for his gaffes...
Obama's weaknesses,inexperience, extreme left views will be exposed and America loses.

We have to vote Hillary or McCain to protect America.

Posted by: cindy in nc | May 27, 2008 11:21:29 AM

Me says time is running out and if Obama gets saddled with the general as he hopes to be, he should start cutting into the fabric at this time because he definitely has a lot of work to do, more so than any other presidential candidate. There are many rumors to dispel, misconceptions and his own mistakes to repair so I say, get on with it.

Posted by: therookie | May 27, 2008 10:35:57 AM

Barry does not matter how early you start, you are unelectable!
Time for you to find your favorite pew and do what ever with your REV WRIGHT!

Posted by: HP Boston | May 27, 2008 10:33:04 AM

George Stephanopolous is predicting that Hillary will betray and abandon all her loyal supporters and drop out of the race, and endorse Barack Obama, probably within the next ten days or so.

Posted by: Lee C.   ―   U.S.A.    | May 27, 2008 10:05:36 AM

Support the troops. Support Webb's ver GI Bill!

Posted by: Old Soldier | May 27, 2008 10:01:52 AM

Javo, The DNC cant wait to have Obama as its nominee. He is the money machine!!!!

Posted by: Jamie | May 27, 2008 9:52:34 AM

TK: No one is telling you to sell your soul. If your candidate doesn't win the nomination and you don't like the other one then you either don't vote, write you candidate in or vote republican. What do you think the battleground states are going to do that wouldn't give Obama their votes. Don't you think many of them are going to vote for McCain. They didn't vote Obama because they don't want him as president. And I don't blame them. How stupid can he be to tell Castro he would not lift the embargo when he isn't even the president yet. And to say he would sit down with Hamas and discuss terms. Do we want a world war III? If he is elected Hamas, Bin Laden and Al Qaeda will be dancing in the streets because they already know about him that's why they want him elected. They know that he's a no nothing and they will be planning their next attack. If that happens he will run and hide somewhere.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 27, 2008 9:52:01 AM

Yes, I suggest all you Hillary supporters call the DNC and refuse to send money. If you have such powers over the DNC, why is your candidate $21 million in debt as of May 20th?.

Posted by: Jamie

==========================================

What does the DNC have do with Clinton's campaign funding in the Primary? Absolutely NOTHING.

However, lack FUTURE contributions to the DNC are another matter entirely.

Posted by: Yavo Lem | May 27, 2008 9:47:23 AM

Mariann Pepitone

i support obama and hillary but geeeeeeeeesh to say obama has a lot of money.. hell hillary kitchen cost more than 2 million dollars.

if some republican is paying you your not earning your money!

As to obama being trounced by clinton.. yeah look at where he got trounced and look at the kind of voters that trounced him! Those voters wouldnt vote for a democrat because their snake handlin preachers would send them to hell.

Hillary is a good candidate but Obama ran off 12 straight victories in a row.

your argument is mute!

Posted by: EddienTexas | May 27, 2008 9:42:42 AM

Just for the record:

1.) I am not a "spammer". What I post, while in standard format, is updated every day, if necessary.

2.) I am not a paid blogger for anyone.

3.) If the truth hurts, that is not my problem.

4.) Someone working for ABC has developed a fondness for deleting some of my posts. Is this person perhaps a stealth Obama operative, or is in some other way biased?

Posted by: Yavo Lem | May 27, 2008 9:42:37 AM

Yes, I suggest all you Hillary supporters call the DNC and refuse to send money. If you have such powers over the DNC, why is your candidate $21 million in debt as of May 20th?.

Posted by: Jamie | May 27, 2008 9:41:13 AM

no more drama vote obama

Honestly Im not sure if there are any real women democrats posting.

I think most of these "women democrats" are just Republicans playing the rush limbaugh game on most of the blogs.

Either that or they have absolutely no clue as to how party politics work.

As a true democrat if these women are real and that is how they really feel I would hope and pray that Hillary isnt anything like them.

But most likely they are just entry level political soundboards and most likely wont even vote.

The real democrats will get the job done along with fed up moderate republicans and independents. Its a long way to November and for once the democratic 527,s have in McCain a real easy target.

Posted by: EddienTexas | May 27, 2008 9:34:23 AM

After watching this race play out over the last few weeks, I have totally lost respect for the Clinton's. They have injected racism, sexism, terrorism and murder into their campaign. They have ruined their political careers.

Posted by: WHITE FEMALE VOTER | May 27, 2008 9:28:38 AM

Barnie: When you say uneducated Hillary supporters are you talking about the college students that had to drop out because they couldn't master the courses? And the college students that are in jobs making less than bus drivers do. You don't read too well. Obama is a pauper's millionaire, with about 2 million to his name compared to every other senator in the senate. And he got a lot of cash from Rezko for his dirty work as an attorney. Yes, he can lose the election to McCain if Hillary declares herself as an independent and take thousands of votes away from him. And I hope she is smart enough to do that instead of thinking about the democrats getting the white house back. This campaign has been a dirty game since Obama got into it and it is a dog eat dog campaign so she should go for the bone and let McCain win. Hillary was brought up as a republican in her younger days but became democrat when she married Bill Clinton. I am a democrat but I don't like dirty pool and I believe Obama went behind the scenes to get votes from the superdelegates for favors. He learned how to wheel and deal when he was an attorney for crooked Rezko.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 27, 2008 9:27:57 AM

Mariann Pepitone wrote:

"If Hillary..."

No use..she's broke and would have make up the deficit of $30 million before she could even think about printing a bumper sticker. She may be smart but a poor manager. Still, if she were the nom, she'd get my vote.

Posted by: debbie cho | May 27, 2008 9:22:50 AM

obama ia a whiney wimp.

Posted by: trettine | May 27, 2008 9:19:41 AM

Obama is doing exactly what he has to do-moving forward.

Posted by: Jamie | May 27, 2008 9:17:06 AM

Mariann Pepitone

incorrect facts but no prob

John McCain not quite the big tortured war hero we hear about.

Fact - John McCain didnt receive any promotions as a prisioner of war.(reason is he violated the code of conduct for a US POW)

Fact - John McCain conduct at the naval accademy was so poor he would have been thrown out had his father not been a high ranking well connected Admiral

Fact - John McCain cheated on his former wife by having an affair with the now CINDY MCCAIN

Fact - All the pow's held at the same North Vietnamese POW camp stated they were never tortured by their captors nor did they believe John McCain was.

Fact - John McCain was considered for courtmartial do this his actions as a POW but once again his admiral daddy helped him out.

Fact - John McCain lived a very upscale youth(admirals are far from poor) can we say elitist?

ok fire back and i got plenty more and i got them all from the Bush 2000 election research.. GEORGE W BUSH did do one thing right.. HE PEGGED MCCAIN FOR JUST EXACTLY WHAT HE IS!

Posted by: EddienTexas | May 27, 2008 9:11:21 AM

2/11/2008

Obama and Clinton Campaigns Agree that Superdelegates Should Vote for Who They Think Would be the Strongest Candidate for the Party

Top Obama Strategist Axelrod on Superdelegates

From this morning on NBC:

LAUER: Let me ask you about superdelegates. A lot of discussion about the role they're going to play in all this by the time it's over and the debate being whether they should vote out of loyalty to a candidate, particularly if they're elected officials, or whether they should vote the way their state or district votes.

So, when it comes to Senators John Kerry and Senator Ted Kennedy, should they vote for had Barack Obama because they've endorsed him or should they vote for Hillary Clinton because the state of Massachusetts voted for Hillary Clinton?

AXELROD: I think that the role of the superdelegate is to act as, sort of, a party elder. These are elected officials from across the country and they're supposed to exercise their judgment as to what would be best for the party. And as they look at this, they need to decide who would be the strongest candidate for the party…

LAUER: David, you're not answering. Should those two senators vote for Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton?

AXELROD: I think they and all the superdelegates should vote according to what they think is best for the party and the country. And I think that we need the strongest possible candidate against John McCain…

Posted by: Yavo Lem | May 27, 2008 9:11:08 AM

This new found love for visiting battleground states is another example of Obama arrogance.One million plus voters are yet to cast their votes this weekend and next week.But then,when did counting all votes ever matter to him.It is all about using fuzzy math and becoming the nominee and have a nice convention SPEECH.

Posted by: vic | May 27, 2008 9:08:41 AM

Mariann Pepitone

Great republican spin..

lets play dirty wife politics

CINDY MCCAIN DRUG ADDICT
CINDY MCCAIN THIEF
CINDY MCCAIN FORGER
CINDY MCCAIN RICH AND STEALS FROM A CHARITY

dont chunk rocks when your standin in a glass house republican female spinster!!

Posted by: EddienTexas | May 27, 2008 8:51:42 AM

Things are NOT as they are made to appear.

For all the talk about "Super Delegates", there is nothing "Super" about them. Just as everyone of us, they have one vote each. Their endorsement is just that, an endorsement. It is not a vote. They are not supposed to come into play unless there is a deadlocked convention, and in that case, they are expected to exercise their BEST JUDGMENT to cast their votes for that candidate they, in view of their extensive experience and political wisdom, think would be able to WIN the General Election. They are not supposed to be endorsing this or that candidate, BEFORE THEY VOTE AT THE CONVENTION. To do otherwise is to be false to the trust and responsibility that has been placed in and on them.

It would be better at this point if all the bickering supporters of each candidate looked at the number of ACTUAL PLEDGED DELEGATES allocated to their candidate on the basis of primaries and caucuses won. Those figures, as of May 27, 2008 (NY Times web site), for those who truly follow politics are:

Obama 1,485

Clinton 1,421

Diff. +64 (Obama)

Of the “surveyed” “Super Delegates”, of which there are approx. 795, there are at least 205.5 who have not “endorsed” any candidate, which is as it was intended to be. Again, an “endorsement” does not necessarily translate into a convention vote, since in theory “Super Delegates” are supposed to represent the wisdom of the party and are expected to be above the fray. Those who have endorsed, really should be stripped of their position and replaced by those who will act as intended. However, that is the responsibility of the DNC, which so far, has proven inadequate to discipline its own members.

The bottom line, “Super Delegate” endorsements should not be counted by candidates claiming that such an “endorsement” makes this person into a PLEDGED DELEGATE, for that is NOT THE CASE, and to think otherwise is to delude oneself and one’s followers. It is also wrong for the media to even report what “Super Delegates” are doing now, as they do not even come into play unless and until there is a DEADLOCKED CONVENTION.

However, there is nothing to prevent partisans from 'counting chickens before they hatch", nor is there anything to prevent the media from playing games with gullible people to increase interest in these silly stories.

As Yogi Berra once said, "It ain't over, 'til it’s over". And this fight is a long way from over.

Posted by: Yavo Lem | May 27, 2008 8:47:55 AM

Which Democratic candidate is more electable?

Consider this:

This is how the Electoral College stands as of May 27, 2008, showing strengths of Clinton vs. Obama, based on their results. For those who have not understood, this is not a head-to-head matchup, but rather a side-by-side comparison.

This assumes a winner-take-all primary/caucus vote takes all Electoral votes for each state. The totals immediately below are WITHOUT any consideration of the states of Florida and Michigan.

Clinton 264

Obama 224

But with Florida and Michigan:

Clinton 308

Obama 224

With just Florida added, which was won by Clinton, fairly and squarely, the Electoral College Vote is:

Clinton 291 (includes Kentucky)

Obama 224 (includes Oregon)

Assuming the following victories, based on current polls, with Clinton winning NOTHING ELSE, and Obama winning South Dakota, and Montana, the totals would then be, still without Florida and Michigan:

Clinton 264 (includes Kentucky)

Obama 230 (includes Oregon, Montana, and South Dakota)

On June 4, 2008, with Florida, Michigan and Kentucky for Clinton, and, being charitable, with Oregon, South Dakota and Montana for Obama:

Clinton 308

Obama 230


Please note that it takes 270 Electoral College votes to win the General Election.

Whether or not the vote turns out as indicated, I firmly believe the above analysis more than amply demonstrates which of the Democratic candidates is in a better position to be the stronger candidate in the General Election.

P.S. - One last thought about this Electoral College Vote analysis; in it I gave Senator Obama full credit for the state caucuses he won. However, it should be noted that there are not any caucuses to be won in the Big Leagues during the General Election. There are only PRIMARIES, WINNER-TAKE-ALL.

And I am sure the "Super Delegates" are aware of that.


Posted by: Yavo Lem | May 27, 2008 8:44:10 AM

yes, katherine
i am aware of this group there are several others all very impressive
since it is out side of the msm.
and still growing.
the dems. will have a lot of suprises come june 4th.

must go kate and eddientex,
will be back in two hours.
to read your comments.

Posted by: worldcitizen | May 27, 2008 8:42:28 AM

Popular vote as of May 27, 2008

These figures INCLUDE Florida and Michigan, as they were fairly and legitimately earned by Senator Hillary Clinton, and have been validated by the respective Secretary’s of State.

Clinton 17,426,809
Obama 17,262,155

Total Diff. 164,654 (Clinton)

Pct. Diff. +0.45% (Clinton)

Above figures from RealClearPolitics.com

So, why SHOULD Hillary quit NOW?

Who do you think will be leading when the dust settles?

Hint - See below:

Combined population of Montana and South Dakota = 1,752,039

Population of Puerto Rico = 8,086,459


Posted by: Yavo Lem | May 27, 2008 8:41:50 AM

I find it amazing how Obama is responsible for all of Hilly mistakes.What do you not understand about the little word LOST????????

Posted by: older person | May 27, 2008 8:41:21 AM

let me put it this way.. I dont care if a single woman votes for Hillary if she is my candidate i will vote for her.. I dont care if one single black person votes for Obama but if he is my candidate i will vote for him.

To be politically incorrect but straigt to the point.

IM NOT BLACK AND IM NOT FEMALE and im sick and tired of people like you making that an issue or even bringing it up!

Why cant people just be Americans! Honestly people like you dont belong in the democratic party in my opinion and i dont care if you vote Obama or Clinton or McCain or dont vote.

Posted by: EddienTexas | May 27, 2008 8:41:01 AM

Benjamin: Your are so wrong. He would definately lose if she declares herself an independent and puts her name on the ballot or if all her voters write her in. That would be the best news for this country to see this arrogant candidate lose the election to McCain. And he would deserve it. Any one who votes for a candidate that belonged to a racist church for 20 years with a white hating pastor is racial themselves and don't care about this country. All they are thinking about is Obama being president. I am a democrat but if she doesn't win the nomination I will write her in and I hope her voters do the same.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 27, 2008 8:40:03 AM

Obama is being pushed on Democrats by the media and the DNC. However, a growing anti-Obama movement is forming with a number of different groups. You can stream Steve Corbett's "Operation Turndown Obama" weekdays from 3-7 online at:


It's an interesting show with callers from all over the U.S.

Posted by: katherine | May 27, 2008 8:37:55 AM

ninety percent of black people voting for obama is about race.

and kate,
unless you have changed your name on here.
i have just seen you listed here over the past few days.
i comment here always.
have not seen your name or eddientexas
before so don't talk about why most people who comment on here do it.
you don'tknow.

here is a future note for you
obama will not win the ge in nov.

Posted by: worldcitizen | May 27, 2008 8:37:21 AM

CWatson: If Obama is the nominee he is a loser in November. He cannot and will not win the battleground states and her voters will shift to McCain. However, if Hillary is smart she would declare herself an independent and that would take thousands of votes away from him. I would do that to split the democrats because of the DNC and Dean. McCain would win and even being a democrat I don't care.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 27, 2008 8:34:43 AM

EddienTexas,

the people that declare their skin color here normaly do it while or ater making some racially insensitive or offence remark...

Other say it in responce to dumb remarks to directly challange those remarks..

But im with your point this election isnt about race its about the future!

Obama 08 12 : )

Posted by: Kate | May 27, 2008 8:33:06 AM

eddientex

there is nothing hidden about my telling i am black
when people see me i don't have to say
black.
as i said i list my color just to let people know not all blacks are voting for obama.
because i feel the black people who are
are doing it blindly-as was bore out in your state.
exit polls asking people who they voted for, when said obama asked why,
didn't know just for change.

once again no hidden meaning from me
so if you think there is a hidden meaning tell me what it is and i will tell you if you are correct on my part.

Posted by: worldcitizen | May 27, 2008 8:32:10 AM

for some reason i cant see my own comments anymore

But i have NO DOUBT whatsoever THAT WHOEVER the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE is will the general election.

I do find it odd that some people feel the need to declare if they are black or white when they comment here.

since i said that i will quailify my race IM LILLY WHITE.. FAIRLY EDUCATED.. Finacially LUCKY but appear to most who know me as a working class guy.. i just dont have to ever go to work. I can afford to be a political junky and am a Texas democrat state delegate for one of the two remaining Presidental candidates. I have friends and political ties to people of several races and to my knowledge they dont refer to me as Eddie the white guy.

There is a hidden point about people who just HAVE to put a race on themselves or those they refer to.

hopefully i have made that point clear in a politically correct way.

Posted by: EddienTexas | May 27, 2008 8:27:50 AM

sen clinton has worked her whole life trying to make a difference in other people lives. no matter what you say
her record of good works stands.
when the time came-she and rangel and some others decided maybe it is time to run for the wh. and she put a team together to explore if that was viable.

obama on the other hand has a short political resume' still people are saying we don't know him
obama had people come to him and say we want to make you president.

there is a difference here.

obama is underqualfied to be POTUS

and he will not win in nov.

Posted by: worldcitizen | May 27, 2008 8:27:37 AM

kate,
not that it is any of your business,
i am black for 53 years.
and just so you know, i only list my ethnicity just to let people know, not all black people are voting blindly for obama or anyone else for that matter.
some of us have paid attention to the issues and how this process has played out.
i have never voted rep. in my life.
until this year.
as i say i can live with fair and square.
obama will win the dem. nomination based on everything except his qualifications.
and you can call mccain
mcbush, mcnutt , mcwar and any other little names you can creatively think up.
just so you know come nov. 4th he will have president in front of it.

black woman who will not vote for obama in nov.

Posted by: worldcitizen | May 27, 2008 8:21:20 AM


Obama will be the 44th POTUS

Posted by: Kate | May 27, 2008 8:18:12 AM

i am a lifelong african american dem.
i will not vote for obama.
i can live with a president mccain.
obama will not have won this fair and square.
sen. clinton had the deck stacked against her by the dnc and the media.
so they need to have a message sent to them.
and lose in the fall.
he will not win.
he is underqualfied.
it seem all the dnc with the help of the msm wanted was to beat sen. clinton
i can live with president mccain.
i will not vote for obama.

i do not see why the obama camp wants sen. clinton or bill to campaign for him.

Posted by: worldcitizen | May 27, 2008 8:07:41 AM

Is it just me or are you not paying attention. Obama only needs 48 or so delegates period...get a clue guys.. he will gain that before or on June 4th.

HANG IT UP CLINTON SUPPORTERS, MAYBE IN 2016....

Posted by: Lawrence | May 27, 2008 8:03:04 AM

You left out the other Clinton Theory about RFK... i know you are thinking.. the sky is falling theories...

Lawrence

Posted by: Lawrence | May 27, 2008 8:00:02 AM

is there any question?

A R R O G A N T

I'll never vote for Obama.

Posted by: Jackie,nc | May 27, 2008 7:54:29 AM

If Clinton is 'given' delegates according to the Michigan votes and Obama is given the undecided in Michigan and that all delegates are awarded (probably the worst case for Obama), Clinton stil needs more than 75% of the superdelegates. And a bunch of those, like Jimmy Carter, just haven't mae it official so that in fact, she needs about 90% of the truly undeclared superdelegates.

Therefore, waiting for Florida and Michigan, is just buying Hillary time because in terms of the delegate race, it is over.

Here's some testimony that attests to that position:
January 9, 2008:
WOLFSON: I guess one other thing I'd add is that, as you know, this is a race for delegates. And we currently enjoy a lead in delegates, thanks to the great -- some of the great super delegates that we have on this call and around the country.
MCAULIFFE: ... I've said from day one, and this is the point I tried to make yesterday on television when everybody was asking me questions about after Iowa and New Hampshire what happens, I've always viewed it sort of as a 27-state contest. But, listen, I always said we're going to win some, we're going to lose some. And at the end of the day it's getting a basket of delegates.

January 25, 2008:
WOLFSON: Well, you know, as you know, all of the polls have Senator Obama ahead. I think he has run a strong campaign in South Carolina. He began there ahead; he remains ahead. And we have said since Iowa that this is a race for delegates. It's a race that we are ahead in. We have more delegates than Senator Obama.

February 6, 2008:
CECIL: Well, our goal at the end of last night was to be ahead in super delegates and overall delegates. And, in fact, this morning, Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama in delegates to the Democratic National Convention.
...WOLFSON: We think that we are in the poll position because we have a lead, overall, in delegates. We think it is going to be very difficult for Senator Obama to make up that lead because of the way in which the party allocates its delegates proportionately. So we feel very good about that. But this is going to be a neck-and-neck contest for the foreseeable future. Senator Obama does enjoy some advantages in the contests in the rest of February, but not in a way that should permit him to overcome our lead in delegates.
WOLFSON: And overall, we have a significant lead among delegates, overall, which, obviously, at the end of the day is what is going to positively determine which Democrat is our party's nominee.

Posted by: CWatson | May 27, 2008 7:22:44 AM

EddienTexas wrote:
“your prob with my comment seems to be that you comprehended incorrectly that i wrote you were basicly stupid if you supported a candidate. I didnt say that.”
joeS wrote:
“So basically having an opinion about who a person believes will win(2.1) the campaign automatically qualifies a person as being an idiot(2.2) in your book”
EddienTexas wrote:
"I find it amusing when supporters of any candidate in any party predict defeat or victory for any candidate.(2.1)
For you ignorant uneducated people of all candidates I say this(2.2)”
You make the inference that people who predict victory or defeat are ignorant and uneducated, you can support somebody regardless of whether you believe they will win or lose. Therefore I was not making a reference to support but to those who you (“believes will win”). You did not comprehend me. I do appreciate that you attempt to be balanced in your debate but to suggest “we make this totally about politics” when you say things like “so you come here and just bad mouth political candidates to have someone to blame for your own personal failures as a human being." Seems a little rich!
“may i suggest you go back and read what i said instead of copy and pasting it.” You can suggest whatever you wish but the use of quotes is a “serviceable replacement for whit”.

Posted by: joeS | May 27, 2008 7:20:39 AM

"I believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process, Florida and Michigans votes won't count"-Hillary Clinton 10-1-07


Posted by: Kate | May 27, 2008 7:01:56 AM

They actually declared Bill Clinton the nominee in April of 1992 (not June). He had an insurmountable lead over Jerry Brown in April. It was June when he actually got the number of delgates needed.

Hillary said, in her recent statement about Bobby Kennedy, it was JUNE when her husband WON the nomination. Ok. We'll use her measure - the number of DELEGATES needed. That's not the convention. That's JUNE.

So why do her supporters keep saying the nominee is not declared until the convention? Even Hillary says it occurs when the number of delegates needed is reached. Obama needs only 49.

Get over it - she will not be the nominee.

Posted by: In her own words | May 27, 2008 7:01:36 AM

It's useful to win states, but states don't vote -- delegates do," said Harold Ickes, who is heading up the delegate operation for New York Sen. Hillary Clinton.

"This is very much a race for delegates at this point," said Ickes, a longtime Clinton insider and aide to President Bill Clinton.


Posted by: Kate | May 27, 2008 6:56:49 AM

thank you joe, i appreciate the fact your the first one to pay me a compiment and i am glad you like my humor.

may i suggest you go back and read what i said instead of copy and pasting it.

i am giving you credit that not only can you read but you can comprehend what you read.

your prob with my comment seems to be that you comprehended incorrectly that i wrote you were basicly stupid if you supported a candidate. I didnt say that. I said that folks were showing and proving their stupidity when they just come here and make lame taking point statements and statements with no factual merrit and i accused supporters of all candidates in both parties.

But joe all i can tell ya buddy is like my moma said "If the Shoe FITS WEAR IT"

Take the time to read each and every comment i have made and you will PLAINLY see i have not shown a preference to EITHER candidate but just so you know i am a Democrat and i will vote democrat no matter who the candidate is. I vote my kids pocket book and the future. I have made my own financial security.

but to make this totally about politics and for ANY CANDIDATE you want to say something bad about i can counter that with an almost exact example for the other two candidates. Name your own poison. Thats why i feel we should debate issues.

or i could just say

MC CAIN IS THE BEST
OBAMA IS THE BEST
HILLARY IS THE BEST

smile worse times are on their way no matter who you vote for unless you have made some fantastic investments.

Posted by: EddienTexas | May 27, 2008 6:52:37 AM

warren WOW nice comment.

Bush isnt an idiot. He is just a typical Republican. You should be ashamed of yourself to talk about him that way.

oh one other little thing.. I can stand a BUSH 3rd term just fine! I invested in Royal Dutch Shell stock 25 years ago. Everytime I see the price at the pump go up my income goes up! And fantastic news.. they are predicting $15.00 a gallon gas in two years. I LOVE IT! I am also own 70 acres of property which has lignite coal less than 10 feet from the surface. Its easy street for me. No capital gains taxes benefits me and at the same time having pride in my America.. either way its a win win for me.

Hope you made some good investments too.

Posted by: EddienTexas | May 27, 2008 6:26:04 AM

What the BBC reported:

Jimmy Carter

He also described Israeli treatment of Palestinians as "one of the greatest human rights crimes on earth".

Former Israeli military intelligence chief Aharon Zeevi-Farkash told Reuters news agency he considered Mr Carter's comments "irresponsible".

However, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert included Israel among a list of nuclear states in comments in December 2006, a week after US Defence Secretary Robert Gates used a similar form of words during a Senate hearing.

During the press briefing, Mr Carter expressed his support for Israel as a country, but criticised its domestic and foreign policy.

"One of the greatest human rights crimes on earth is the starvation and imprisonment of 1.6m Palestinians," he said.

The former US president cited statistics which he said showed the nutritional intake of some Palestinian children was below that of children in Sub-Saharan Africa, as well as saying the European position on Israel could be best described as "supine".

Mr Carter, awarded a Nobel Peace Prize in 2002, brokered the 1979 Egypt-Israel peace treaty, the first between Israel and an Arab state.

As for Fidel Castro in case you didnt know Matthew this is America who but you gives a damn who Fidel endorses ?
Fidel said of the three Obama seems more progressive "SHOCKING"

Its like asking me whats faster a car a push bike or a jet ?

Of course Obama is more progresive he is looking to the future he is actualy going to use our state department for a change It will actually be doing some dipomacy not just to gain aproval for wars!

Posted by: Kate | May 27, 2008 6:22:38 AM

My extended family of 19 white middle class bitter small town disenfranchized Floridian Democrtas are switching from HRC to JM. BO does not share our values, has disenfranchized and dissed us. Florida and Ohio will boot BO and his elitist sexist Democratic party out. The condescending and arrogant way that BO has treated a remarkable woman colleague is an eye opened. " You are likable enough Hillary" to ignoring her and moving away on the Senate floor and in your arrogance ignoring her and pretending it is over reveals a lot about the person you are are, not to mention the 20 years of infamy wiht your spiritual advisor friend Wright. I guess that you changed Wright from mentor/uncle /friend.soritual advisor to never all of the above means nothing is quite remarkable as your brain washed supporters would testify. Despite their ignorance it is the likes of me, our friends, uncles, mentors and spiritual advisors in FL and OH who will decide on our next president. You will never be in our plans. I am so disgusted with the way the elitist party and their sexist attitude that my family is seriously considering switching our registeration to Republican though our most hated name is Bush. Bush maybe a stupid idiot and the biggest mistake that America ever made, but he is not sexist or elitist.

Posted by: Warren5678 | May 27, 2008 6:12:12 AM

Matthew, that's rather good news...maybe, there is still hope for us in the world yet!

Posted by: TK | May 27, 2008 6:07:08 AM

to use the football example the Clinton camp uses which personally i like let me say this

Im the coach and its late in the 4th quarter the score is 70 to 0 my favor. I think its safe to pull all my starting players and start working on my game plan for next week with all my starting players and assistant coaches.

god i love football! and katherine that is quite the comment you made about natural endowment(wonder if you would like to explain that further and if that is something that voters should fear) and by the way there are more than 49 states and EVERY STATE including the Distric of Columbia has winner take all electorial college vote. to find out the number of states in the united states you have to count the stars on something besides a confederate flag. Your spunky enough to qualify as one of my ex wives i must admit!