Political Punch

I like the idea of a president choosing a cabinet full of rivals. This forces people to work together and set aside petty personal differences. I think that it would at least be interesting to see exactly how it would all pan out. I think too that we might get some solid solutions to big issues in this country. Personally I’d like to see someone sort out the Boca Raton real estate issues here as well as real estate woes in the rest of the country.

I don’t care what Obama or any other candidate talks about right now, other than the countries dismal real estate market, particularly the Boca Raton real estate market. Does either candidate plan to address this and possible solutions in details? I doubt it, their much to busy bickering to care.

Now think about it people.....the "REAL" dream team, which would be completely unstoppable would be:

OBAMA / EDWARDS 2008 !!!

Wouldn't that be a great Move ?????

If Obama is stupid enough to add Hillary to his ticket, he deserves to loose. That woman and her husband are both greedy physcos and are only wanting back in the Whitehouse so they can sell us out some more and make up for all the money they have spent. Right when this all started, Bill just made a deal and sold our national defense contracts, our secrets, and our jobs to China! So much for looking out for our national Interest and looking out for those "Blue-collar" workers that are so readily to line up behind Hillary......what is wrong with these people ?????

Robert Gates for SecDef!

So refreshing to hear a candidate speak like this. After 8 years of lunacy, it's just nice to have the prospect of a smart person in the White House.

shewill,

Many of us remember the Clinton years, so we KNOW that they only fight for themselves, they fire staff and hire their family and friends, and they pardon criminals simply because they are friends, or because a friend asked them too...including 2 members of the Weather Underground that they tried to connect Obama with.

So, if anything I feel much more comfortable with a President Obama than I ever will with a President Clinton...and whatever causes you to believe that Obama would only fight for "not for a chosen few" can only be based on any assumptions and biases you've made, not an anything that proves this. Your response to him is nothing a huge case of xenophobia.

Yeah, ok, dude!

Something tells me Abe Lincoln is turning over in his grave as we speak, totally disgusted that the all time sham of a candidate considers him a hero.

Poor Abe.

I support Barack Obama because I believe he can deliver on his promises of change. Washington needs someone who can work across the aisle and get the right people involved... people who are willing to take a common sense approach on issues.

I was looking for some information on Obama a few days ago and I came across this piece which had a tidbit about him that surprised me. It kind of made him seem even more human to me. (We all have at some kind of weakness, right?)

http://www.informzoo.com/main/cat/14/111

Obama isn't afraid of working with people who disagree with him. I like that.

It's a very different way of doing things... compared to an executive who surrounds himself with yes-men, and who dismisses those that disagree with his pre-conceived notions.

Vicki, do you really think Reverend Wright will be an issue in light of McCain's recent pastor issues? And again I have to ask, do you think Hillary is more honest than Obama?

thepoliticalcat - One picture at a fund-raiser vs. 17 year relationship, $250,00 donations, buying lot next to house, getting funding for sub-par housing for REZKO stop being nonsensical.

One picture with Wright vs. 20 year reltionship, getting married by him, baptizing his children, "I can no more foresake Wright than I can my own grandmother" - wait, did he just say I'm a politician! "I forsake him".

Please, get serious.

For those questioning the distance between Springfield and Chicago:

Michelle and the girls stayed in Chicago. Obama was always home on the weekends - which I know from hearing Michelle say she insisted that he be. (Anybody wanna bet he defied her?) Same when he worked in Washington - she wanted him home as much as possible to help with the house and the girls.

Vicki, you haven't mentioned Bill and Hillary Clinton's ties to Rezko. I wonder why. Google it. There's plenty of photos of them together.

Oh, and Bill and Hillary invited Reverend Wright to the White House to counsel them after the Lewinsky affair became public.

And Bill issued an awful lot of pardons for some very dubious people, who then donated money to his and Hillary's campaigns. But you know that already, right?

@Vicki,

Are you suggesting that A) Hillary Clinton is the more honest of the two candidates and B) That Hillary has fewer "questionable" associations than Obama?

Don't think for a second that the Republicans aren't sitting on a mountain of ammunition in the unlikely event that she gets the nod. Believe me, there's a reason why Karl Rove is trying to convince Democrats that she's the better choice.

Gemma, Obama's complete record as an Illinois State Senator is a lie. The bills he takes credit for were based on the work of other state senators. Emil Jones (President of the IL State Senate) put Obama's name on those bills because he was being groomed for a US Senate seat. Obama's association with Rezko, Wright and Ayres indicates that he has very poor judgement. Associations do matter. These judgement issues will be attacked by the Republicans. Look at how poorly Obama has done in the primaries since the end of February. He lost Rhode Island, Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania, Indiana, West Virginia and Kentucky. He won in Vermont and North Carolina. He lost seven of nine primaries in the last two months. This is because the people started paying attention to who he was and what his politics are. If Obama is the nominee McCain will be the next President.

@ Mary, who said Obama will...

"...Consider Hamas and other terrorist groups as friends" and "has been buying the superdelegates and he is behind in popular votes."

First off, I would really like to see a link to anything that indicates Obama would consider Hamas and other terrorists to be friends. I think you just made that up.

Second, the only way Hillary is leading in the popular vote is if you discount the voices of hundreds of thousands of voters who participated in caucuses and who ventured out in the Michigan cold simply to vote AGAINST her. Since Hillary wants EVERY voice to be heard, I'm afraid the math doesn't add up... again.

You shouldn't believe everthing you hear from Hillary or read on the Internet. However, if someone from Nigeria sends you an email and says you can make a million dollars then, yes, it's true. Send them your bank account info.

If Obama taps Hillary for VP I would seriously fear for his safety :( I say Obama/Webb is the best way to go. Should definitely help with the "White Blue Collar" vote. Experience would be an issue but both of them make up for it with common sense and integrity. Webb is also coming off a big victory with his GI Bill. Plus they could make up for lack of experience with a stellar cabinet. How about Colin Powell for Secretary of State? Let him try it again, this time with an administration that has some integrity and will actually listen to him.

Every democrat candidate running for President has been respectful and decent except Hillary Clinton. Edwards, Obama, Dodd, Richardson, Biden, etc....all displayed respect for themselves and others.

Every person could have brought out a long laundry list of baggage associated with the Clintons, but never did that to her. However, she did not hesitate one second to demonize others with lies, engage in race baiting and changing the rules to maximize her chances.

As a woman, I supported and had high hopes for her, but selfish motives revealed multiple character issues that cannot be overlooked. She is not a team player, except with John McCain.

First he has to win the nomination. Then he has to have somebody on the ticket who will help, (not hinder,) him win the General Election.

Once he has won the presidency, he can appoint a cabinet of "the best and brightest" of his rivals. Just as Lincoln did.

YES! A "team of rivals" cabinet sounds great. But please....NO HILLARY. She is way too partisan, and just plain poison.

Obama and Web in 08
Dream ticket

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Ironic that you call Obama a liar when it was Hillary Clinton who lied about NAFTA, Bosnia and the 'benefits' of a gas tax.

Furthermore the reasons you cite that make Obama a bad candidate have nothing to do with the candidate himself but w/ associates of the candidate.

So I'll ask you a question, the logic and rationale of which may cause your addled brain to implode:

Are you electing Obama or his associates?

I also challenge you to highlight an actual lie Obama has told.

You have until November to find the lie.

Because of Darth Cheney, the Vice President has a lot of power now. We cannot have a Republican Vice President.

Obama should guarantee his supporters that he will not choose a Republican Vice President!

VP=ABH... Anybody But Hillary

She has squandered her popularity and the public's goodwill towards the Clintons in this election debacle. Mike Huckabee is the example of fighting out the nomination with class. The Clintons have always been painfully lacking in class and tact. Her "unfavorable" rating is growing among Democrats and independants nationwide (see her falling poll numbers in Ohio and California).

Hillary has abandoned any credibility as a leader of all of America. She has been a divisive force in American politics for years, and with this election it is clear that she is more than willing to balkanize the population in order to pit group against group, divide and conquer. Her Appalachian Strategy is race baiting at its most insidious, and she has been happy to have the sexes spar with one another over this (see Geraldine Ferraro and Joy Behar's comments).

John McCain might be Bush's annointed successor, but Hillary Clinton is the real heir to Bush/Rove politics. We as a nation need to move past this era of damaging politics. We need a generational change in Washington, and Obama is the one to make it happen.

libre

You say he is unelectable. Substantiate.

mike gravel for drug czar!!!!

If anyone has been pandering it is McCain and McClinton.

Gas tax holiday anyone?

I always remind myself to have faith in the American public. Then I remember they voted for Bush. TWICE.

And I read these comments. And I know why. At least half of America is seriously uninformed, bigotted and plain irrational.

(I have no viable diagnosis for anyone who would vote for McCain if Hillary isn t the nominee. They simply defy all the laws of sanity.)

TO: Bob Scofield

No, you are totally incorrect and clearly you either did not read my Electoral Vote analysis, or you did not understand its purpose. Try reading it again, especially the first paragraph or so, which was put in for the benefit of people like yourself.

Frankly, I have no interest in head-to-head matchups for conditions that do not yet exist. First, comes the Convention in Denver at which a Nominee will be selected, but between now and then, a lot of "stuff" is going to hit the whirling blades, and opinions will change, etc. So, really, any so-called polls are meaningless at this point. My analysis just address the question, "Who is the most electable (or stronger) candidate, NOW, based on a side-by-side COMPARISON of WHAT THEY BOTH HAVE ACCOMPLISHED TO DATE, AND CAN ACCOMPLISH through the end of the Primaries?" I realize the question may be a little bit to long and that perhaps it is too complicated for you, but the concept is simple, and so are the numbers. Read them and weep.

Shewill

Reality check for you. (Careful. It may hurt.)

The ONLY one Hillary has been fighting for is herself. She has lied to you. She is using you. Its about her.

Truth.

terra, I forgot one other very entertaining religious type, the late Rev. Gene Scott. Now he was really ridiculous, and so self-absorbed, somewhat like Rev. Wright and Senator Obama.

Does anyome know what the distance is between Springfield (capitol of Ill) and the south side of Chicago? 200 miles...now for all those makeing the assinine statement that Obama sat in that church for 20 years...would you travel 400 miles to go to church? Now he also traveled all over the country and world..he was not even in Ill a good bit of the time. While the media tried to place Obama in that church during any of the contreversal statements by Wright, they could not. We as a people can only succeed if we have a base of honor and honesty...so please stop useing slander and lies to further your own candidate.

I am not a church goer, but can you support a church with donations, belong to a church and not sit in the pews each service? Do you have to believe every word your pastor says to belong to that church community...if so that is a cult and not a fellowship.

I think this whole argument is stupid and we have worse things to worry about. As far as anti white...that church was anti bad government if anything. It has white members. Read the sermons and stop allowing the media lead you around by the nose.

Check on the votes and records of the candidates...such as Hillary voted for a ban on flag burning.

Posted by: terra

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Yes, terra, I've been thinking about what you posted. It is quite a distance as you say, and I’ll take your figures as accurate. However, for a good part of the time Senator Obama was married, in TUCC, by Rev. Jeremiah Wright. As a married man, I assume that he, like me in my former life, would really like to spend time with my wife, and since I don’t think legislators work more than a 9-5 day, 5 days a week (with some exceptions of course), with much material they can take home to work on, that he would most likely spend a good amount of time at home, especially if he got any kind of legislative perks at all, like a transportation allowance, or a car, or could even hop a train at no charge, etc.

I know how wearing long distance travel can be, as I used to commute a 100 mile round-trip 5 days a week, driving my own car, between work and home. I did that by car for five years, and by train for another five. So, I don’t think it is unreasonable to believe that Senator Obama did something similar, and being home, he probably went to hear Rev. Wright, who you have to admit can be quite entertaining, more so that any minister, or priest I’ve every heard speak, even Bishop Fulton J. Sheen, or the Rev. Robert Schuller.

And then there were all those CDs of the sermons, and the Trumpet magazine. By the way, it should be mentioned that Senator Obama appeared many, many times on the cover of that publication and had been interviewed on occasion as well as written about in it by the Rev. Wright, himself. In fact, in the April 2007 issue of “The Trumpet”, Rev. Wright wrote an essay entitled “Facing the Rising Sun”, in which he said, “God raised Barack from a dead political career to the United States Senate. Then, as Jesus ascended into Heaven, God made a way for Barack to ascend to the pinnacle of politics. . . . We are truly in a “new day.” Now with that kind of expectation being placed on him, and with his over-inflated ego, I should think that Senator Obama would have made EVERY effort to attend that church and bask in his glory. Amen.

As to Hillary’s vote against flag burning, and again, I take your word for it, I’m glad she did, but there is an irony involved in that vote. I’m all for it, because having served in the U.S. Navy, for two years active duty on two six-month patrols, operating out of Guantanamo Bay (Gitmo) Naval Base, during the run-up to the Cuban Missel Crisis, I came to appreciate the very great importance of the American Flag and when later I travelled in Europe, I really appreciated seeing it when the ship I returned on passed the Statue of Liberty and I saw the flag flying again. It was the greatest sight in the world, especially having been away from it so much. And so I literally hate to see an American terrorist, like William Ayers, trampling on it and wiping his feet on it, as he did for a publicity picture for his crummy book, taken in an alleyway, (I wonder why he didn’t do it in public), as you can see for yourself at:

I also do not like to see its likeness used for all kinds of articles of clothing and on junk, nor am I fond of those flag lapel pins or the other trivial commercialized uses of our flag. No, I served under it, doing my part to defend my country and perhaps to have protected people like you, or if you are not that old, then your parents. In short, I don’t wave the flag, I respect the flag, I am pround of the flag, I honor the flag, and I am sickened by people who think they can just trash it, or burn it in protests or riots, people like Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrn and the rest of the SDS and Weathermen creeps. But here is the irony: legally, the only proper and authorized way to dispose of an American flag that has become tattered and worn is not to throw it in the trash (which by the way is illegal), but rather it is to burn it, respectfully.

So, Senator Obama can put on a flag pin or surround himself with American flags to pander to potential voters, but frankly, I do not think he is that sincere, nor do I think voters are that easily fooled.

To Yavo Lem, your electoral math analysis ignores the simple fact that Obama will not be running against Hillary Clinton in November. He will be running against John McCain. Do you think Obama will lose California to McCain the way he did to Hillary? How about New York? Your entire analysis is based on a fallacy. Furthermore, all polls indicate Obama will crush McCain, and that is in spite of the fact that many Hillary supporters are telling pollsters that they would vote for McCain, in order to bolster her arguments for the nomination. Once Hillary drops out and does her best to graciously endorse Obama, her supporters will vote for Obama as well. Not all her supporters (I suppose there are those that are voting for her because she is white and will vote for McCain for that reason, but that is a small percentage - the vast majority will stand by the Democratic candidate knowing full well what peril we will be in if McCain is elected).

Yavo, I'm actually an independent and don't really like any of them. But I do like to check all facts out. No it didn't come from Washington DC but I'm sure this is what Larry was referring to.

"Where would you put Mike Gravel?"

Ambassador to Alaska.

To all of you who have taken exception to Senator Obama "comparing" himself to Lincoln: Saying someone is one of your heroes is not comparing yourself to that hero. Most of the posts on here seem to be from loud-mouthed pseudo-intellectuals who obviously just like to spout off and think of themselves as important. Other sites that I've posted on seem to have much more reasonable and informed people making the comments. I just wish that I had the time to single out those of you who are the worst. Good day.

al, I don't know which side you are on, but thanks for the information. At any rate, the Chair of the South Carolina State Democratic Party is a long way down the line from the DNC in Washington, D.C.

I trust "Hot-under-the-collar" Larry will see your post and being the gentleman he is, will check it out for himself, before he gives me another blast.

TO: Dr. Johnny Skeptic

I really hope the FBI is reading your posts.

Hey hillary supporters, sorry but she isn't gonna have time to do much after she finally quits, she will be in court too much on the PAUL V CLINTON trial. It's still at the forefront, if you really want to Educate yourselves you should look it up on line!

Terra - You do know that Obama lives on the south side of Chicago? That his children go to school on the south side of Chicago? That he had a second job as a visiting lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School (on the south side of Chicago)? He lived in Chicago, and he went to that church, and he donated money to that church, sometimes up to 20,000/year.

It seems to me Obama has been played Mccains Medical records came out and we are hearing very little about them cindy's not going to put her taxes out and nothing is being said if that was Obama or Hillary that would be all we would hear wait and see it will be Mccain that wil be held up as the winner as soon as they are sure Hillary is out. IMO

Did it actually occur to you that those same people actually had something to do with murder?

Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama this race is virtually a tie and this is where the superdelegates have their work cut out for them. The 1/2 that voted for Obama will not be satisfied without him on the ticket and the same for the 1/2 that voted for Hillary. They are both strong candidates and we should honor both as deserving, smart, very accomplished people. Obama is inexperience in many ways but represents a more youthful paradyme. Hillary is very experienced and represents solid nuts and bolts with tremendous understanding of the system.
We have to have someone who does know the systems in place whether we like it or not they are there. The president does not act or run things in and of himself or herself. They must work with the congress, foreign leaders, the U.N. etc. Call it old politics or whatever, they must be able to work with them and that takes a tremendous understanding of these systems. MI and FL must be seated, it is against our rights as citizens not to count our votes. Remember, if this year it is FL and MI loosing their votes. What could this open up for future elections? The vote to change the dates was voted on by both republicans and democrates. Republicans had a huge say it this! Another part of the game. Seat them now and move on with the nomination.

Mike Gravel should perhaps be Secretary of the Internet, a cabinet level post. I don't know much about him. What I *do* know is that he really seems to *get* the internet, and seems to love it.

Hillary is the wrong person to be on Obama's cabinet, much less as VP. She's been lying and pointing fingers at Obama from almost the very beginning. Why would he even consider her anywhere near him when all she's shown is her supposed superiority to him and her pure hatred of him? She's such a scum sucking slug that if he did choose her to be his VP (which WILL NOT happen) she would have him assassinated shortly after his inauguration. He should be very outspoken and say publicly that he will not even consider appointing her to any position in his administration. She would rather divide the party than bow out gracefully, which should've happened after her minuscule win in Indiana.

She's a bad loser who is as deluded, if not more so, as her supporters, who still think that she will win. She needs 245 more delegates; he needs 61. That's such a wide margin that she will not even come close. She's totally out of touch with reality. She's lost so much support during this debacle, but she's shrugging it off, as if it never happened. Even people from her own campaign have either defected or begged her to get out of the race. Her support has waned and keeps on waning. If she thinks that Obama will dig her out of her $21 million dollar debt after all the horrible things she's said about him and done to him, she's crazier than I thought. She made her bed and now she has to lie in it.

She's been complaining about the fact that Michigan and Florida won't count, even though she signed an agreement along with Obama, with the DNC that she would not campaign in those states. She lied - surprise surprise. She's so intent on winning to show that she's not a quitter. She's saying that to show her determination - too bad it's coming off as desperation and refusal to face the reality of the situation.

The stink that she's been making is a pointless distraction that is digging her deeper and deeper in the hole of denial. And she will not receive the support that she so wants and needs. She's burned too many bridges. There's no coming back from that. Nothing can help her. She'll be lucky to keep her Senate seat. When she's up for re-election, she's bound to get a rude awakening when she finds out that New York hates her. She's pathetic.

I hope that the DNC does its job and enforce the rules that she had initially agreed to and signed. That will be justice.

And to you Clinton-ites who support her and plan to storm the DNC, you are doing her far more damage than you think. If she wants to run in 2012, it's going to make it that much harder for herself to even be in the top 5 candidate spots. She's laid down the path and America will not go down that road.

The sooner the men in the white coats come to get her, the better. Anyone who would only drop out only under the condition that she was predicated a VP nod after all the animosity and spite that she has shown Obama is fit to be tied... but the men in white coats.

Nobody wants you, Hillary, so get over yourself, take your Thorazine, and go to the sanitarium.

Hey Yavo Lem, you really need to check your facts before going on one of your rants. In the pledged delegate count, Obama actually leads Clinton by 156 delegates, not 64: 1656-1500. Some news organizations may be off by a few delegates one way or the other, but Obama definitely leads in the pledged delegate county by about 150.

To: RHONDA

Believe me Senator Clinton and the DNC are very much aware of what will happen is she is not the Nominee. As for "talking sense into us", that is not necessary Per contra, it is the Obama supporters who need to do some basic research on line and learn who their candidate really is, and who his fellow-travellers are.

Does anyome know what the distance is between Springfield (capitol of Ill) and the south side of Chicago? 200 miles...now for all those makeing the assinine statement that Obama sat in that church for 20 years...would you travel 400 miles to go to church? Now he also traveled all over the country and world..he was not even in Ill a good bit of the time. While the media tried to place Obama in that church during any of the contreversal statements by Wright, they could not. We as a people can only succeed if we have a base of honor and honesty...so please stop useing slander and lies to further your own candidate.

I am not a church goer, but can you support a church with donations, belong to a church and not sit in the pews each service? Do you have to believe every word your pastor says to belong to that church community...if so that is a cult and not a fellowship.

I think this whole argument is stupid and we have worse things to worry about. As far as anti white...that church was anti bad government if anything. It has white members. Read the sermons and stop allowing the media lead you around by the nose.

Check on the votes and records of the candidates...such as Hillary voted for a ban on flag burning.

BHO has been groomed by the Democratic elite from the get go for this election. N. Pelosi and Dean do not want Hillary any where near the White House in any status and especially not VP. You Hillabots need to realize that as much crap as she talks that if you follow the insiders that know there is no love lost in DC with the Clintons. And Pelosi and Dean do NOT want to have that same derisive Senate and House her and her husband created. Despite popular opinion the Dems and Reps need each other and with HRC in there in any any capacity brings dark clouds over DC.

The popular vote total is the votes cast by individuals in state primaries. Caucus votes don't count in the popular vote total because they are counted in terms of delegates, not votes, and many states don't count the number of people attending caucuses. How are Hillary's supporters accounting for that? They want to count Michigan where she was the only candidate, and Florida where many voters stayed home, but not the twelve caucus states? That’s her idea of counting every vote?
Washington and Texas caucuses (won by Obama) are not included below because these states hold primaries AND caucuses. Caucus state include (Obama won all of them)
• Iowa
• Alaska
• Colorado
• Idaho
• Kansas
• Minnesota
• N Dakota
• Nebraska
• Maine
• Hawaii
• Wyoming
The popular votes being touted by the Clinton Campaign do not take this into account, and are therefore disenfranchising the “real” popular votes from all of these states.

Posted by: power2people

To: power2people

In general, Caucus votes are not counted for a number of reasons:

1.) They are not provided by the states

2.) They are not representative

3.) They are in many cases trivial or insignificant in relation to the state population

4.) Caucuses are quite vulnerable to manipulation by deception, obstruction, delay, inconvenience, confusion, strong-arm tactics and other despicable practices, which is why they would be favored by a Chicago machine politician, such as Senator Obama.

But, just so everything is up front, I have checked your list and the results are below:

Iowa

Obama 940
Clinton 737

Alaska

Obama 6,674
Clinton 2,194

Colorado (included in total Popular Vote, as posted)

Idaho (included in total Popular Vote, as posted)

Kansas (included in total Popular Vote, as posted)

Minnesota (included in total Popular Vote, as posted)

North Dakota (included in total Popular Vote, as posted)

Nebraska (included in total Popular Vote, as posted)

Maine

Obama 2,079
Clinton 1,397

Hawaii (included in total Popular Vote, as posted)

Wyoming (included in total Popular Vote, as posted)

With regard to Florida, both Clinton AND Obama were on the ballot. Clinton did not campaign in the state, but, breaking his pledge, Obama did. Clinton won, fair and square.

With regard to Michigan, the names of all three major candidates, Clinton, Obama, and Edwards, were on the ballot. However, Obama and Edwards had their name removed, BY THEIR OWN CHOICE. Their supporters were told to vote “UNCOMMITTED” for them, as if voters wrote in their names, they would not be counted.

With regard to Texas, Clinton won the Primary, case closed.

With regard to Washington, this is the explanatory note from RealClearPolitics:

“*(Iowa, Nevada, Washington & Maine Have Not Released Popular Vote Totals. RealClearPolitics has estimated the popular vote totals for Senator Obama and Clinton in these four states. RCP uses the WA Caucus results from February 9 in this estimate because the Caucuses on February 9 were the “official” contest recognized by the DNC to determine delegates to the Democratic convention. The estimate from these four Caucus states where there are not official popular vote numbers increases Senator Obama’s popular vote margin by 110,224. This number would be about 50,000 less if the Washington primary results from February 19th were used instead of the Washington Caucus results.)”

I trust you can understand the that the complications were caused by the Caucus states, and not by Senator Clinton. In fact, this is one of the best arguments for getting rid of the Caucus system, but that is up to pressure from the citizens of each of those states.

NOT joan, but rhonda... oops

The change that Senator Obama will bring is not the change America needs.
1. Bring Chicago dirty politics to Washington
2. Change from moderate Democrat to radical socialist
3. Consider Hamas and other terrorist groups as friends
4. Consider the White working class as inferior (Mainstream Americans)
THIS CORRUPT POLITICIAN WILL BRING CHAOS TO OUR COUNTRY. DON'T TRUST HIM.
He has been buying the superdelegates and he is behind in popular votes.

Joan from Virginia.... 1) you obviously know nothing about Rev. Wright, or Trinity church, which is a common fault of many, 2) you interpreted Sen. Obama's comments on "leading" in global env. issues, by suggesting that he is calling for a police state controlling food distribution- you must be joking? Any such initiative that were to take hold such as that, is NEVER going to come from some obscure coded speech on a campaign trail... it would be a result of some secret gov't black op psych warfare operation, right? You shouldn't let critical analysis turn into paranoia. Bush took our freedoms because of the 9/11 inside job, not because he said he would in the campaign he ran, haha. Right?

Anyway, Obama is 100 times better than McCain, but it is IRRELEVANT... until massive grassroots participation threaten the congressional status quo, not much will change.

He simply cannot trust Hillary. We see her ego at work now...Does anyone think for a moment, she will behave as second banana? She will be busy trying to show the women who supported her that she has crashed the glass ceiling when obviously she had been plumming the depths ethically. No, Nada...the idea of finding a group of excellent rivals to join him in changing this country is a brilliant idea. The quickest way to move people off their intransigent bias is to have them work with you on a day to day basis. Folks have to leave the labels at the door and eventually learn people are people. Some good and some bad, but that has little to do with the color of their skin. Hillary is ethically challenged and that is worrisome!

worldcitizen -Please explain the bad shape the US is in, by your name I presume you believe we should be ruled by the World?

MI VOTER - What experience does Obama have? please tell us, since no one not even him can tell us!! I mean he has experience Hating America, Hating the Whitey and so forth but what experience does he have!

Now with all the rhetoric abut Pres. Bush, what really did he do wrong (exclude Iraq) we have a strong economy even thou its a little slow right now, but that is more to do with the lib Congress and the oil prices are because of the libs!!

So please answer the 2 questions!!

All of you Hillary supporters should go to her website and let her know that you will be voting for McCain in November. And maybe she could talk some sense into you. You should not be so attached to the person. They both have pretty much the same ideas on the issues. That's why I don't understand why you are so against him. Their only big difference is with healthcare. So just think about that and ask yourself if you could deal with 4 more years of living like this. If you don't think we are doing bad right now then vote for McCain.

Joan from Virginia - There are many churche in chicago, and larger ones at that, his pastor continously spew anti-white, anti-jewish and anti American rhetoric, even Oprah left the chuch!
This has a lot to show on his character!

Now all those that want to vote for Obama, unless your one of his elitist friends here is a quote for you from him on what he plans on trying to do -
In a campaign stop in Oregon, Obama called for the U.S. to "lead by example" on global warming. "We can’t drive our SUV's and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say 'OK.' … That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen," he said

So he is planning on controlling your life!!
Yavo Lem - You can use the states that they won in the primary to give them electoral votes, main reason is most of the states Obama won will never go blue
If memory servers he only won 2 Blue states.
And Clinton is pretty much out of the rae anyhow!!

Oh Please leave her behind in the dust and move on down the road. Hagel for VP (that would upset Mr. McCain to no end) lol.

The precondition for Senator Clinton accepting the Vice-President slot on the ticket must be open access to any meeting in the White House.

And if Obama is nearly as smart as he is said to be, he will accept that.

Obama supporters: Get over yourselves. You will doom this party with your rants and your get-even strategies. The Party elite has spun up a defeat in November with the presumptive nominee. Clinton can turn that into a victory.

You can't.

MI voter--maybe you should move to a state where your vote counts...

Hillary/McCain 08

Obama pick a Republican for VP? Highly unlikely.

Since I am not religious, I don't understand all the criticism of Obama for his choice of church. He probably went there because it was the largest black church around and a good place to build his constituency while keeping his faith. Most of my friends who are religious never talk about their pastors--just their friends at church. Those who won't vote for Obama because of the pastor seem to resist change in whatever shape or color it comes in.

All the talk about counting the popular vote ignores a very key issue: the rules are that delegates are what counts. That's what the rules have been for a very long time. To argue otherwise is like a football game where one team wins 35-33, and the team that had the fewer points argues that they should have won, since they had more yards gained.

You don't change the rules near the end of the game - it's simple fair play.

Before voting for Obama please do your research on the type of politics he was a part of in Chicago.

The people he used, treated unfairly, and the underhanded tactics to get ahead politically.

You owe it to this country to know all about him. Obama says he wants a change in old time politics. Judge for yourself if he is any different.

Then vote your conscience.

Hillary/McCain 08

Change, shmange. When it comes down to it, Obama is just a politician. He will choose Clinton as his VP because he knows that he needs to - to get more votes, to have her knowledge on his side (particularly regarding foreign policy), and to win the election.

cindy in nc,

I really think you should move. Really I mean it. Move to another state and get a better view of the world at large. Travel around a bit. Your views are so 1950's it's scary. The World has evolved. Join the party. It's fun here in "All-Inclusive Land". No one hates anyone, we all get along.

2/11/2008

Obama and Clinton Campaigns Agree that Superdelegates Should Vote for Who They Think Would be the Strongest Candidate for the Party

Top Obama Strategist Axelrod on Superdelegates

From this morning on NBC:

LAUER: Let me ask you about superdelegates. A lot of discussion about the role they're going to play in all this by the time it's over and the debate being whether they should vote out of loyalty to a candidate, particularly if they're elected officials, or whether they should vote the way their state or district votes.

So, when it comes to Senators John Kerry and Senator Ted Kennedy, should they vote for had Barack Obama because they've endorsed him or should they vote for Hillary Clinton because the state of Massachusetts voted for Hillary Clinton?

AXELROD: I think that the role of the superdelegate is to act as, sort of, a party elder. These are elected officials from across the country and they're supposed to exercise their judgment as to what would be best for the party. And as they look at this, they need to decide who would be the strongest candidate for the party…

LAUER: David, you're not answering. Should those two senators vote for Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton?

AXELROD: I think they and all the superdelegates should vote according to what they think is best for the party and the country. And I think that we need the strongest possible candidate against John McCain…

Things are NOT as they are made to appear.

For all the talk about "Super Delegates", there is nothing "Super" about them. Just as everyone of us, they have one vote each. Their endorsement is just that, an endorsement. It is not a vote. They are not supposed to come into play unless there is a deadlocked convention, and in that case, they are expected to exercise their BEST JUDGMENT to cast their votes for that candidate they, in view of their extensive experience and political wisdom, think would be able to WIN the General Election. They are not supposed to be endorsing this or that candidate, BEFORE THEY VOTE AT THE CONVENTION. To do otherwise is to be false to the trust and responsibility that has been placed in and on them.

It would be better at this point if all the bickering supporters of each candidate looked at the number of ACTUAL PLEDGED DELEGATES allocated to their candidate on the basis of primaries and caucuses won. Those figures, as of May 23, 2008 (NY Times web site), for those who truly follow politics are:

Obama 1,485

Clinton 1,421

Diff. +64 (Obama)

Of the “surveyed” “Super Delegates”, of which there are approx. 795, there are at least 215.5 who have not “endorsed” any candidate, which is as it was intended to be. Again, an “endorsement” does not necessarily translate into a convention vote, since in theory “Super Delegates” are supposed to represent the wisdom of the party and are expected to be above the fray. Those who have endorsed, really should be stripped of their position and replaced by those who will act as intended. However, that is the responsibility of the DNC, which so far, has proven inadequate to discipline its own members.

The bottom line, “Super Delegate” endorsements should not be counted by candidates claiming that such an “endorsement” makes this person into a PLEDGED DELEGATE, for that is NOT THE CASE, and to think otherwise is to delude oneself and one’s followers. It is also wrong for the media to even report what “Super Delegates” are doing now, as they do not even come into play unless and until there is a DEADLOCKED CONVENTION.

However, there is nothing to prevent partisans from 'counting chickens before they hatch", nor is there anything to prevent the media from playing games with gullible people to increase interest in these silly stories.

As Yogi Berra once said, "It ain't over, 'til it’s over". And this fight is a long way from over.

cindy in nc
He has the experience and is not afraid to go against his own party said.
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Just like Bush
Just like Cheney
Just like Rumsfeld.

GWB thanks you for his third term.