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Obama Pushback on the New Clinton Math

May 06, 2008 10:08 PM

What's the number of delegates needed to clinch the Democratic nomination?

Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., today said 2,209 -- including Michigan and Florida, states whose contests the DNC does not recognize.

But on "Good Morning America" on February 22, 2008, Clinton said, "Each of us has to get to 2025 delegates."

(Watch HERE.)

Then there are a series of statements from top officials of the Clinton campaign.

Communications director Howard Wolfson in a memo January 26: "This remains a delegate fight, with 1,681 delegates at stake on February 5th, and 2,025 needed to secure the nomination -- and we are ahead in that fight."

Wolfson, February 12: "We don't think either candidate will be able to get 2,025 delegates without the superdelegates."

Wolfson, February 14: "Neither campaign is in a position to win this nomination without the support of superdelegates. No one is going to get to 2,025 without the superdelegates."

Wolfson, February 17: "Neither of the candidates will get to the number needed to secure the nomination, 2,025, without the support of superdelegates."

And on and on.

- jpt

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How can anyone call Obama someone who "unites" when he chose to run this election cycle against the best woman candidate that we've ever had? His candidacy has SPLIT the Democrats right down the middle. If ANYONE thinks this Party is coming back together after August..no matter who the nominee is...they are wrong. The Party is cooked and McCain will be elected in November.I will never vote for Obama, the face of inexperience and unanswered questions. He is the "spoiler" of 2008.

Posted by: mpwdc | May 7, 2008 9:55:10 PM

I am an HRC supporter - but I say to her Move Over and give Obama the nomination. It is just beyond belief that blacks ran out in droves to vote for him. Do the blacks think that having a black president is going to make thier life's better. Very scary world. Mark my words - Obama will have that racist - hating preacher back in life after the election. I will not vote for Obama in this election - I just think he is full of rhetoric and his racist wife is too much for me to watch. She is so racist - Very disappointed that McCain will be the next Prez. Am I the only black man that didn't vote for Obama.

Posted by: Frank- | May 7, 2008 1:54:52 PM

It is so funny how everyone is talking about how Obama cant close the deal. But isnt it obvious that Clinton can't, and is in no way near closing it. The majority of states that have voted for Clinton has actually closed the deal for her. She did not win, even the states where she was ahead her wins were barely marginal. Come on this "It is mine or no one else's" is getting old. It is obvious this deal was closed a long time ago, her campaign is fueling a dead horse. She should bow out gracefully.

Posted by: Aerica | May 7, 2008 12:59:42 PM

Yes, Obama! You will not allow this cunning woman to spin out lie after lie about the delegate tally. You owe that to your supporters who vastly outnumber hers nationwide.

We will be furious if you ever let this woman try to fool us who are normal, decent and intelligent people.

We trust that the Obama campaign and the Democratic Party will do whatever they need to do to prevent that sort of election ploys that the Clintons are so good at, from taking place.

The people are with you!

Posted by: BoB | May 7, 2008 12:36:36 PM

HEY DARK, I CAN CUT AND PASTE TOO----"DID NOT RUN". WHAT IS YOUR POINT? Hillary did not run either. Both had ads appear due to cable but neither ran in the states. The Florida voters came out and voted for Hillary by a very wide margin. Also I will repeat. The Republican party proposed and voted for the primary date change. Florida and Michigan should have a vote if there is any justice

Posted by: bruce | May 7, 2008 11:58:32 AM

Florida + Michigan + Superdelegates doing what there were created to do, vote for the best candidate in the general election. ='s A Democrat winning in November. Hillary is going to win most of the remaining primaries. The superdelegates were not created to mirror the primary vote. They were created to do just the opposite. To vote their experience if it was needed to avoid yet another November drumming.

Posted by: bruce | May 7, 2008 11:54:52 AM

Anyone who still argues that Florida and Michigan's votes should could is no Democrat and certainly not a thinking person.

The parties have rules. It is that simple. Florida and Michigan willingly broke the rules. The party sets the rules and enforces them. These two states ignored the rules. The primaries don't count.

Obama DID NOT RUN in either state. He bowed to the party rules. A true Democrat would. If he had run he might have won...who knows. But it is ludicrous to argue (after Hillary already agreed previously with the Democratic decision to not count their votes) that these incomplete contests should count.

The nominee should represent the Democratic party. If that individual cannot follow the party's rules now...what makes you honestly believe ANY of their (ok, her) campaign promises will be kept. She is desperate and is simply looking for a way to continue. It is time to move on.

Posted by: Thomas Dark | May 7, 2008 11:49:04 AM

"DID NOT RUN". WHAT IS YOUR POINT? Hillary did not run either. Both had ads appear due to cable but neither ran in the states. The Florida voters came out and voted for Hillary by a very wide margin. Also I will repeat. The Republican party proposed and voted for the primary date change. Florida and Michigan should have a vote if there is any justice.

Posted by: bruce | May 7, 2008 11:48:12 AM

Congratulations to Obama! Were it not for some Rush Limbaugh freaks crossing over you would have won Indiana as well as NC. Congratulations to voters! We have the opportunity to elect someone for President who has principles and values. This is a first in my life and I am 40 years old. Hope will conquer fear. Enough corruption and war. Obama will put McCain in a retirement home.

Posted by: emma | May 7, 2008 11:40:16 AM

Anyone who still argues that Florida and Michigan's votes should could is no Democrat and certainly not a thinking person.

The parties have rules. It is that simple. Florida and Michigan willingly broke the rules. The party sets the rules and enforces them. These two states ignored the rules. The primaries don't count.

Obama DID NOT RUN in either state. He bowed to the party rules. A true Democrat would. If he had run he might have won...who knows. But it is ludicrous to argue (after Hillary already agreed previously with the Democratic decision to not count their votes) that these incomplete contests should count.

The nominee should represent the Democratic party. If that individual cannot follow the party's rules now...what makes you honestly believe ANY of their (ok, her) campaign promises will be kept. She is desperate and is simply looking for a way to continue. It is time to move on.

Posted by: Thomas Dark | May 7, 2008 11:37:21 AM

Obama is not so wonderful. He is crafty, yes, but as the months go on that will start to show. He is a pretty good actor and his script writers have Deval Patrick's speeches and game plan in their briefcases. Deval Patrick, African-American Governor of Massachutes wrote the script in his victory in that state. In the runup to the Wisconsin primary Obama's writers slipped up and Obama gave a speech with lines almost word for word on one of Patrick's speeches. They won't make that mistake again. Obama with little experience is a wellspring of empty promises that he would find difficult to deliver if he were elected but he also has a poor chance of being elected antway when the entire country has their say about him versus an admired war hero with many years of political trials and errors. Of all the candidates that started the primary Hillary has always been the best qualified to wrestle with the spirited McCain. Biden would have been pretty good too though. If the Supers do not do the right thing we are in for four more years Republican vetos and bad decisions.

Posted by: bruce | May 7, 2008 11:35:35 AM

It is simply amazing how Clinton supporters try to manipulate the system they have apart of the last twenty or so years. First, she does not set the terms by which the nominee is selected. Furthermore, she does not determine what the prerequisites are as the race unfolds. Secondly, they did not expect this dynamic captivating upstart to raise as much money and inspire so many people to his CAMPAIGN. One must never count your eggs before they hatch, she did last September. Okay, so he said he would win Indiana, big deal! No Clintard expected her win would be so minimal. The people have spoken, the black blue collar, black middle class, independents, republi-crats, white blue collar, educated, elites representing the intelligentsia, voters under sixty-five, college students, and the independe-crats are aligned with Obama. Clinton is a fighter, smart, crafty, and a great philosophical politican; however, she is not the only one to possess those qualities. Finally, if she has gained so much momentum in three and a half victories out of the last six, what about the thirteen in a row that he won. If Hillary had done that it would have ova!

Posted by: Poetic Justice | May 7, 2008 11:09:22 AM

The Florida Democrat primary mess was created by the Republican party. Republicans control the House and the Senate there and moving the date was their idea. Want to know why Obama wants no re-vote there. In the January primary voting where both candidates were on the ballot and neither campaigned, but due to nationwide cable tv channels both had a few ads run there, Hillary beat Obama with 50% of the vote to Obasma's 33% with Edwards getting 14%. In popular vote she took 871,000 to his 576,000. In the general election only Texas, California and New York will have more electoral votes than Florida's 25. These will go to McCain if the superdelegates do not do what they were created to do. Vote for the person who can win for the party in November. With McCain there will probably be little help for the 47 million uninsured citizens in this country.

Posted by: bruce | May 7, 2008 10:54:44 AM

people i NC must have lost there mine as so many have if he wins lets see what they are saying in four years,

Posted by: janet in wv | May 7, 2008 10:51:54 AM

Hillary knows how to fight.

She also knows very well how to lie, cheat and steal. She will contiune to do everything she can to spin the results and attempt to change the rules of the game in her favor. Her pride and lust for more power are blinding her to the reality of the situation. Looking at last nights total she lost both the delegate count and the popular vote by a margin of 200,000+.

It's time for the superdelegates to step in and seal the nominiation for Obama. The longer this drags on the worse the DNC looks and the more challenging it will be for a dem to mount a challenge against McCain.

Sorry Hillary it's time to pack it up and stop thiniking about yourself and support your party.

Posted by: Portland OR | May 7, 2008 10:40:37 AM

I wonder what Hillary is defining as a win. Is it the nominee or nothing? Perhaps she would consider it a win if she could just pay Bill back the money. Perhaps she is looking to strike a deal with the DNC, where she as some other position - lead democrat in the senate. Her database and connections are still strong. The democrats face two vary different scenarios if Hillary bows out and supports Obama with all the energy and skill she is putting behind her own campaign vs. Hillary bows out, complains about the DNC, complains about sexism, complains about how the democratic party has lost its way. She could really cripple the democrats, not only with Obama's ge bid, but with very democrat up for election this nov.

Posted by: X marks the spot | May 7, 2008 10:18:39 AM

Obama should have won Indiana by a wide margin as the highly populated northwestern area is in the Chicago TV market and the state is a sister to Illinois. He has no punch. Obama is a poor debater. He is good at delivering a script. Actually his entire campaign and his speeches are based on the sucessful campaign of Massachutes Govenor Deval Patrick. He is a lousy debater, really lousy if you listen to his answers in the last debate. It is becomming clear that he is no shining knight. John McCain is ready for prime time. Hillary would beat McCain in the crucial debates and Obama certainly will not. Like with Dukasis, Kerry and McGovern, the left wing of the Democratic party have ruined our chances in November. I dearly hope that the Supers do what they were created to do and vote for a real candidate. God bless America.

Posted by: Bruce | May 7, 2008 10:18:00 AM

It doesn't say a lot for Hilary that she cannot see that she cannot win under the current rules which she has previously accepted. If she were to win under new rules, there would be an enormous outcry and she can't see that either.

Hilary wants to win this so bad that she puts herself ahead of her party and everything else.

She has gone as far as she could possibly go and if she had done something spectacular in North Carolina, I could see how see could rationlise staying in the race.

It is so obvious that it is over and if she had any judgment at all, she would now exit from this race.

Instead, it would appear that she wishes to battle on and that speaks volumes for her win or lose at all cost approach.

She has fallen a long way since last year when she thought the democratic nomination would be handed to her on a plate. She must be astounded by what has happened and I think it has clouded what judgment she may have had.

I would only add that her kitchen sink strategy was very dissappointing. It was born out of desperation and demonstrated perfectly her true devisive nature.

I do not think there is an awful lot that Hilary can look back upon during her campaign and be proud of. I think both she and her husband let themselves down enormously.

They got beaten by a genuine underdog who came from a long way behind and who demonstrated the leadership, vision and organization that Hiliary did not.

Posted by: G Skuse | May 7, 2008 9:44:13 AM

The Clinton campaign has become such a parody of itself. I love it! Hilarious! The math has changed from popular vote to delegate count to superdelegates to big states to swing states to this... this where they change the rules of the game YET AGAIN. I almost expect to turn on my TV tomorrow to see Howard Wolfson arguing that the canditate who collects the most box tops should get the nomination.

Posted by: Jeff | May 7, 2008 9:16:45 AM

Senator Barack Obama, brilliant intelligence, consistent integrity, proven judgment, amazing leader of the American people! Our President!

Posted by: wooha3 | May 7, 2008 9:03:32 AM

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