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When Obama misspeaks it is a big deal.
When Hillary misspeaks it is because she is "tired".
When reading some of these comments I
realize why we are thought of as the
Ugly Americans.

A lot of commentators don't seem to be getting the point here.

Obama wasn't mentioning the event because he wants credit by association. If he was doing that, there have been no shortage of occasions when it might have seemed advantageous to do so before! He was mentioning it to show his family has experience of PTSD, which was the context in which he brought it up.

In that context, the details of the event such as the name of the concentration camp are largely irrelevant - they don't change the underlying story which is the relevant bit.

if i had an uncle who was a part of such an awesome heart wrenching act as helping liberate jews(prisoners) from any concentration camp, i would be proud and would share the event when ever i could to educate and remind people of a time and place we should never forget or repeat. obviously, the significance of that action was of no importance to bho or he would know the evnts, the camp, and all the details. it is a matter of pride in our country, its military, its place in the world, and how we have helped others. it is about the jews and their history. none of these issues seem to carry any weight for bho. he lacks pride in the country, and is insensitive to the plight of the jews.

I expect a whole lot more people are now aware of which camp was which, their locations, and who liberated each.

What did I remembered from junior high and high school history classes (awhile back)? I recognized the names of Auschwitz and Buchenwald of course, but didn't recall that Buchenwald was a work camp, not a death camp, or that it had two sub-camps. I had no recollection of who liberated which camps.

Back in the (Cold War) day, WWII history was mostly about what the U.S. did. So...I remember learning that U.S. soldiers liberated 'a' concentration camp, and therefore I assumed they liberated all of them. I honestly don't recall being taught what the Russian soldiers did in Europe.

SandyB: There's a bunch of them, huh? Evidently the right wing blog you pulled your slur from didn't do its research.

SandyB: You want to try to tell us what they speak in Afghanistan? You write as if it's one language - the Afghanis might be a little surprised at that. Want to take a crack at Pakistan? Iran? Want to tell us what language those countries write in?

maggie,
how do you know this?

Who cares? This is something so minor and insignificant that it doesn't matter. Was it a mistake, of course, but that's it. The media and people are making this out to be a much bigger deal than it really is just like they did with Hillary Clinton and her RFK statements. These candidates have been under the spotlight for more than a year and they're bound to slip up sometime, after all they're only human.
As for people claiming Obama has always and continues to get special treatment from the media. Are you out of your mind? Do you know how many times the Reverend Wright speech was played over and over and over again? And there was just as much media coverage on Reverend Wright's second tirade. And what about "Bittergate"? Those who support Hillary Clinton need to realize, that while the media has been harsh on Hillary it hasn't been easy on Obama either. The media has been easiest on John McCain. Republicans who disagree need to get their heads checked. Remember when Chris Matthews said the media is John McCain's base? The small mistakes Hillary and Obama have been covered by the media MUCH more than McCain's gaffes, lobbyist connections, and his abstaining from the GIA Bill.
As for pp, and "his plight of the Jews" comment, out of curiosity what the hell is the plight of the Jews? Are you talking about the Holocaust? No candidate has ever said the Holocaust is anything but a horrible tragedy. What else do they need to say? Are you talking about Israel and its place in the world? Hillary Clinton AND Barack Obama have announced their unwavering support for Israel. PP, you and Joe Lieberman keep on insulting Obama and anyone who wants make Israel SAFER by negotiating for peace in the Middle East. Do you want continuous fighting? Wouldn't a long term peace be in everyone's self interest? I don't know about you pp but I base my choices on more important things than what is best for Israel. I care about what is best for America.

Tony Rezko is now talking to his attorneys and other investigators and the Obama camp is getting nervous. Wonder why????

Senator Obama was using his great uncles story for political pandering. He is such a pathetic liar. He even saw "the fallen" in his audience during his Memorial Day speech. Then changed his words on his web site. He is not honest.

"In this instance, the forest is the deliberate extermination of 12 million people."

Jake, what are you talking about? The Nazis killed 6 million Jews, 4 million Poles, a million gypsies/gays/pacifists/Communists and 20 million Russians. Historical record puts the Nazi killing toll at 20-30 million civilians.

Why are you as historically inaccurate as Obama was?

Obama's carelessness with the facts of this story is troubling. If this family history had had meaning or significance to the people who heard it, repeated it and passed it on, they should have made sure that their information was accurate - that includes a candidate for President of the US.

Another way to look at this is - is this a family story that should have been revealed? Obama has a way of invading his relatives' privacy - first his grandmother - that typical white person and now his uncle who appears to have had an emotional breakdown.

Much ado about nothing. The fact is his great uncle as part of the US forces DID help liberate a Nazi concentration camp. He simply tripped up by stating the wrong location of the camp as he may have been told as a child that it was Auschwitz.I do not think there was any intention on Obama's part to deceive.

Posted by: Carl58 | May 28, 2008 2:22:52 AM
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While I agree that the fact that he served in WWII, and went to Europe was why the uncle was brought up, not because of a specific place, and while I think he did simply mix it up, most likely because of what he was told as a child...

this is inexperience shining though.

As a child, I can understand he believed this, but he should have learned at some point in his life that his uncle could not have been at Auschwitz. I don't think this should be simply overlooked as a mistake, though I agree there was no exagerating on his part. However, there are only 3 options for why he made this statement.

1) He heard it as a child and never learned enough to know Auschwitz was not liberated by Americans. In this case, he is not ready to be president.

2) He heard it as a child and found out it was impossible, but told Americans the story anyway, thinking we would not know better, either because we wouldn't know of any other death camps or because we wouldn't know some history/geography. In this case, he is elitist.

3) He knew it was wrong and said it to sound better. In this case...well, there's so much wrong with this case, let's not even think about it.

I believe its probably option #1, and if not, #2, and #3 is least likely, but in any case, this is still speaking volumes about him.

Looks like us poor uneducated people cling to knowledge, too, not just guns, religion, and hate.

Brian of the red states,

thanks for your comments.

and Welcome! glad you have joined us

yes david,

between mccain or obama the country will suffer.

well, maybe this is just cosmic karma,
the us was bound to lose its "superpower" status.
and now after geo. bush and then either one of there, maybe we are on the way to a world federation or something like that.
i just use it as a catchy name, but maybe we are all on the way to being
"world citizens"

And since when does Obama understand any of the differences between the Middle Eastern factions that all of you are criticizing Senator McCain for his seeming lack of awareness?

Remember, your sainted Obama is the one who believes they speak Arabic in Afghanistan.

Senator Obama is a "professional politician". Translation: He'll say or do anything to get elected! If he "mis-spoke" one of the campaign staff will come up with "what he meant to say was..."
Mr. and Mrs. Obama made $500k last year and "can't afford" piano lessons for their daughter. They can't even handle their own economy, so why would you put him in charge of the US economy?
Harvard grad doesn't know how many states are in the US?
The Republicans aren't any better either.
No matter who is elected, America suffers.

baracktiminus prime,

obama does not know anything abou the us public school system.

in other news today... Barack Obama blames holds a press conference to blame his great uncle, and collectively blames all white men of his generation, for perpetrating lies about his war stories. He also blames the public education system for not teaching enough about communist history.

beth,
i think he just does not KNOW the truth,
he is showing he is the best looking candidate money can buy,

and it maybe better for his handler that he be SEEN and not HEARD

I forgot to mention the grandfather who Obama said went out the day after Pearl Harbor to enlist. Again, wrong! It was six months later.

Why not just tell the truth?

I think a big problem with this gaffe, on top of all the others, is that Obama seems to invent family stories (that later turn out not to be true) in order to bolster his standing with a particular audience. So he says he was conceived in the civil rights movement of Selma -- off by 4 years. He says the Kennedys helped bring his father to America. Wrong! Now it's the wrong concentration camp. There probably were others, as well.

It's the pattern of embellishment. (And the cumulative effect is what you should be writing about.) Some would call it lying.

If it were HRC, people would be screaming, screaming, screaming at the top of their little lungs about it being lying.

"And can someone tell me how this compares to McCain repeatedly stating Iran is training Al Qaeda, when Iran is Shia & Al Qaeda is Sunni???"

I will. That's another ignorant remark that casts doubt on his ability to be commander in chief.

And can someone tell me how this compares to McCain repeatedly stating Iran is training Al Qaeda, when Iran is Shia & Al Qaeda is Sunni???

Even the most boneheaded FoxNews watcher, should realize that understanding the differences between Iran & Al Qaeda are much more relevant than a historical gaffe regarding WWII.

I could care less what his uncle or great-uncle did...what concerns me is that he running on OTHER PEOPLE'S PATRIOTISM AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS because he has none of his own.

Good for you sir.

Obama and McCain both make gaffes everyday. It makes great fodder for the media. But at least neither of them blames it on campaign fatigue, though McCain surely could.

"My God, if Hillary had given a story about her Uncle with incorrect facts she'd be crucified, and this goes practically unnoticed?"

The fact is that Obama has made a large number of significant gaffes - and is given a pass on it by the left and the media (sorry for any redundancy) that has never been, and would never be, extended to a Republican.

For someone who doesn't shy at gaffes, you spend an awful lot of time shying at gaffes.

Unless the President says 'nuklear', I'm sure.

"...it's also worth noting that despite all the talk about Obama's problems with the Jewish community, he's never mentioned before that his great uncle helped liberate a concentration camp until it came up in North Las Vegas in a conversation about PTSD."

You really have to love how our esteemed media use their facility with words to explain away anything that conflicts with their meta-tale.

Guess what, Tapper. As it turns out, Obama was telling this tale much earlier. But you missed that 'tale' much like you missed this one (what exactly do you do anyway?)

But keep playing catch-up with these CYA postings. You'll just keep on getting more an more irrelevant. It's why journalists are hardly respected anymore. In fact, according to Harris' poll, "Journalists were rated ahead of just seven other occupations: union leader, stockbroker, entertainer, accountant, banker, actor, and real estate agent/broker." (http://www.e-thepeople.org/article/460401/view?viewtype)

That's rich, Tapper. You barely rate higher than actors and real estate brokers. It's gotta hurt :)

then charlie, why in the world did you vote for him?

and ken, the media will continue to help obama, he could not have been in any bigger league that dealing with the very knowledegable sen. clinton. and they help him there. the media' in the tank for obama and they are helping to steal this election.

and mmmom
you should go back and read the top part of jims comments, and the bottom half of charlies.

if obama wins the presidency,
there is trouble ahead with this guy.
he will be the geo. bush of the left.

mmmom -

Is it Germany or Poland that your uncle had visited last year, if he had visited one of the places?

Is it something you do not know, or just Poland being the first thing popped up in your mind.

Well, if this was Dan Quale, Tapper would be all over him and never let him up. Can you spell potato?

But nevermind that Obama thinks there is 58 states.

No, if he screwed up the concentration camp name, let the bloodletting begin. It'll toughen him up and remind him that the big league isn't going to let him jive his way through the nomination.

I voted for Obama in March.

Ordinarily, a story about a great uncle helping liberate a concentration camp, even if wrong in the details, would have made me more curious about the man's family history.

However, added to the 57 states flub, repeated use of wrong wording ("ferment" for "forment") and the rest of the steady stream of misspeaking, it is clear the man doesn't have the intellect to be president.

You entirely miss the point.

This gaffe shows a monumental historical ignorance by one who would be commander in chief.

The war started in Poland. Poland had a massive Jewish population. Americans never came close. The Soviet Army came through Poland. That's why the Poles had to throw the bums out in the 1980's.

Barack Obama, the new Forrest Gump

@justsaying

I agree, I think it is more to the point that obama is not genuine in talks, and as it is always seen, when obama does not have a prepared speech
before him, his mouth gets him in trouble. He always messes up something.
He is not talking naturally, tell a family story. sounds like he is telling something recently told to him, and he is trying to remember what was told, and tell it in a conversational manner, and failed at it.
stories like that when in family groups, you hear often, and you can retell some amount if it with ease, this is a story that you KNOW,
i just think he is not genuine.
I we saw this with geo. bush, and someone should be taking note of this,
obama is underqualfied to be president.
and put that together with not being a good communicator, the dems have made a mistake and will not win in the fall.
the dnc bigwigs, the media have all give obama a pass, and done everything they can to help obama, but one thing they cannot do is save obama from obama
when he is in front of the american people without a prepared speech

for me,
it is not so much the story, as it continues to seem obama really is just a groomed presidential candidate.
if this is a personal family story that has been passed down, he should know this story a little better, and be able to relate it better, listening to him,
he did not come off as if this is a story he was very well familiar with.
and i agree with jake, why hasn't he told this story before? he has been to fl, and talked with a jewish group down there, why didn't he tell it, and it would not have seemed if he was pandering, this would be seen as part of people getting to know him. why didn't he tell.
it is hard to believe he is not just a staged candidate.

I've never been one to shy away from coverage of a gaffe or flub by any candidate, certainly not Sen. Barack Obama - Yeah right and if anyone here believes that I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. This whole article was about how great Sen. Obama is and why we should forgive him his gaffes.

My Uncle fought for Irish independence. What does that make me? An Irish hero of some kind? I am my accomplishments not the sccomplishments of my ancestors. And the same is true of Obama. He is what he is. And nothing more or less.

Personally, I have dog in the hunt.

That being said, the media is so in the tank for Obama it is pathetic.

If a Republican had made a mistake like Obama did (Giving the benefit of the doubt) the media would never let him live it down.

I do find it ironic that the same media that gave the Clintons a free pass during the 90's are now ripping them apart. I wonder if Hillary thinks the media is also part of the vast right wing conspiracy.

We can all be honest, the Republicans have FOX and the Democrats have ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, PBS, NPR.(My gosh, they have all that and they still want the fairness doctrine?) The media on the left has chosen the candidate for their party, it s clear to see.

This is not a gaffe. Bittergate was a gaffe. Snipergate was flat out lies by Hillary. His facts were a bit off and no he didn't use it when he spoke to FL jews either, but talking about PDSD to others. The fact remains his uncle helped liberate a concentration camp and suffered from it and his benefits were not enough even though he did so much for other people. That is the story here. Republicans shouldn't even speak about gaffes or misspeaks considering McCain and Bush can't go a day without saying something stupid or flat out wrong.

I guess Obama's uncle was a "typical white man."

Obama wants a weaker military.

He wants to take away our SUV's and our favorite foods and control our thermostats--if we don't how will we look to other countries(according to Obama).

It wouldn't hurt us to conserve but will Obama try to dictate what that is?
Will he ration gas like Carter in the 70's?

When Obama talks this way I wonder if the teachings of Rev Wright begin to manifest.

We don't want Obama or his extreme left
billionaire backers leading this country.

My understanding is that Mr. Obama's great uncle was in the Navy, also during WWII military units were not integrated, was Mr. Obama's great uncle assigned to the 89th as you refer to in your links? Some clarification would help people understand better and perhaps make your defense of Mr. Obama more palatable.

It was already unforgiveable that this man who hopes to be President did not even know the purpose of observing Memorial Day (to honor those who have died in service to our country), by hopelessly confusing it with Veterans' Day (as demonstrated by his reference to "seeing many of them in the crowd that day," which would be impossible if the holiday honors the dead), but to have him twist and distort his own family history just to "pander" to the crowd he was speaking to, is absolutely outrageous.

When will the DNC and the Super D's wake up to the fact that this man has absolutely no business holding our country's highest office when he obviously does not have enough regard for it to learn its history properly?

Hey "libre" in your list of people that won't vote for Obama you forgot Catholics and older women--and any woman that has ever been called "sweetie".

Obama's distortion or mis-remembering aside, commenting on what a great uncle may or may not have done is the equivalent of bragging about what your plumber did.

Why should Obama bother to get his facts right-- his supporters will believe absolutely anything he says.

The rest of us who are not a part of his fairy tale see him as weak, inexperienced and unqualified to be president.

Hillary or McCain08

Obama needs to remind people of the bigger picture and the lesson to be learned, which is that we only liberated the concentration camps after a long period of multi-lateral talks and our concessions and apologies to the Nazis. (For the benefit of any liberal college profesors -- yes, I'm being sarcastic.)

I'd like to see McCain (or Bush -- that would be even better) repeat Obama's gaffes word-for-word to see what the press reaction would be.

What really irritates me is Obama realizing he had an uncle who liberated a concentration camp at this juncture in his campaign now that he needs the Jewish vote. It is just like him finding his flag pin because he now realizes his elitist ideas will loose him votes. The guy is a total politician, not the "above-it" guy his disciples love to believe he is.

Everytime I see his flag pin I know a vote for McCain is in the cards for me. You know what...if Obama thought their was a fortune teller vote he could get he would probably paste tarrot cards to his suit.

I love HIllary and there is no way Obama will get my vote if he is the nominee and I will try to convince every single person I know to vote McCain. You do it also. Get rid of the this panderer.

Yes, Obama deserves being placed under a microscope...his campaign with him as their leader did it to Hillary and they if Obama is the nominee certainly do it to McCain...too bad...when will Obama's constant whining start-up.

What really irritates me though about this is Obama realizing he had an uncle who liberated a concentration camp now that he needs the Jewish vote just like him finding his flag pin. The guy is a total politician, not the "above-it" guy his disciples love to believe he is.

Posted by: richard | May 28, 2008 7:59:22 AM

richard..the empty suit idea always reminds me of the wizard in the wizard of oz...all smoke and mirrors, but when the curtain is pulled back, he is a small man who has not got a clue.

Ahhhh, The Messiah. He makes no mistakes. He only speaks the Truth. He's the One we've been waiting for. He shall deliver us from our sins, from our selfish ways, toward a more enlightened world. Just ignore the fact that He's an empty suit with no grasp of history or current events, who climbed his way to the top with the blessing of Anti-American extremists, who hides his true views of this country, with the assistance of a media that gets funny feelings in its pants upon the site of him. Yes, He's the One we've been waiting for. And He's the One who will return this country to the malaise, the cowardness, the ruinous period of the late 1970s ala Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: Not Happening | May 28, 2008 7:29:47 AM

we are well aware bho will likely be the nominee--despite the fact that hillary is essentially tied in the popular vote.( i recognize the rules are delegates, it is just a point reagrding the split in the party.)
i need not change my party, i want to be recognized as a democrat voting republican due to the totally unprepared, racist, candidate the dems will be running, who does not deserve the honor of representing this country...and his wife is despicable. at least mccain is a patriot who loves the country and calls himself an american.(the role of the dem congress should be to keep him in line if they get a back bone.)

To all the "I'll vote for McCain if Hillary isn't the nominee" posters. You are probably from the Cheetos Brigade of Operation Chaos.

If any Hillary supporters are considering McCain because they think Obama is sexist, may I remind them that when ask "How do we stop the b**ch?", McCain just chucked.

I love it!

Hillaryites are getting what Republicans have gotten from the press for eons: A double standard of coverage.

It is true that Obama's gaffes have gone almost completely ignored, while Hillary's have not. You can thank the media for that.

Can you say "potatoe"?

I remember in Obamas' speach-preach in Philadelphia he referenced his reverend (wright)as..." he's like the crazy uncle you keep up in the attic"...now he says, this uncle that helped liberate a concentration camp, came home and stayed in the attic for 6 weeks...just something that came to mind.

Hey Calli,

George Soros is Jewish. Please buy a clue!

"If Hillary isn't the nominee, I'm voting for McCain"

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Let me save you the suspense...you should go ahead and change your voter registration now.

How can you say "I've never been one to shy away from coverage of a gaffe or flub by any candidate, certainly not Sen. Barack Obama"? Your story was one long apology for Obama. If McCain didn't know that the Russians not the Americans liberated Auschwitz, you'd be all over him. If you think that this is a minor detail, quit your job and go to McDonnalds, you are unqualified.

This guy is a snake oil salesman who will sell you the flavor of the month. He will sell you a bridge in New York that is not for sale and ocean front property in Arizona where there is none. This guy is a CON MAN of the highest caliber. The American people are being fed a big line from a guy who has come just been awaken from a sleeping cell.

What we have is the idea of another American President who doesn't even know American history. How can he be trusted to have all the background necessary to make a decision regarding the red phone if he doesn't even know the details of important events in world, European, and particularly American history. It's time for this American Senator to learn some American history. btw, remember that big fight over Pennsylvania? Why didn't either candidate visit Gettysburg? Why didn't he visit Appomattox in Va, and why won't he go to Iraq?

Family tales often get changed - I am sure that none of you have heard family lore and not questioned it. BTW - how many Charles Payne were there in the military back then.

Large people talk about ideas, little people talk about other people...

They aren't listening to what he is saying, they just worship him.
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"Sniper Fire"

Where's that gas tax relief? Has SHE even proposed it yet?

"I was named after Sir Edmund Hillary"

Are you listening to what she says? No, just worshiping her. Got it.

The bigger point is that Obama can say anything, make no sense at all, contradict himself repeatedly and his adoring hordes cheer and applaud like he is the second coming. They aren't listening to what he is saying, they just worship him. That is very scary.

So, now I'm confused. Is this Uncle/great-uncle the same man as his grandfather that liberated the camp from his 2002 speach?

Nothing wrong with a simple mistake, but the inital story was his grandfather liberated Auschwitz and Triblinka from his 2002 speach, and now its the Uncle, no wait, he meant his great uncle, that liberated auschwitz, um... buchenwald actually.

I feel that some pandering is going on.

again..

from his books i think bho sort of disowned or ignores the white side of his family....till now. perhaps that is why his memory is fuzzy.

My extended family of 19 small town bitter gun toting church going disenfranchized Floridian Reagan Democrats will she our neutrality and register as Republicans to vote for JM if the sexist elitist Obam/ Democratic Leadership and the liberal media shut out HRC as they have done so for the past few months. Roland Martin, the CMM reporter said when Wright came back and told on live TV, the people will believe and go the way they project/spin the Wright story and the Wright story will never take hold. Consider the Wright story to the Bosnia flap when CNN came out in full force together with MSNBC. Down with the media, down with the Democratic party and down with Obama. They are elitist sexist and simply out of touch. Pelosi is one nasty mean woman who simply wants to be the Grand Dame in the Democratic Party. It is time to boot the Democratic party out for good and find an alternative centrist party. Over to you Bllomberg and Dobbs. My family will vote for JM BECAUSE WE WILL NOT SEE BO IN OUR WHITE HOUSE.

Someone who had a propensity for going on and on about stories with which he had a passing knowledge of the facts would maybe be considered to have a GRAVITAS problem, right?

GRAVITAS, it's his middle name.

Jewish, Hispanics, blue collar workers, rural workers, small town "bitter" people, Florida's voters, Michigan's voters, Wes Virginia voters, Kentucky voters, Pennsylvania voters WILL NOT VOTE FOR Obama. Does the hierarchy at the DNC get that?

I don't think Obama ever listened to his granduncle/whatever and to the real story behind it. He's just pulling it out of his ass now that it is somewhat convenient, that's all. Of course he messes up along the way, just like he messes up with everything else (I'm still trying to find those new 7 states on the map; mind you, even my mother knew that there are no 57 states in the US, and no, we're not Americans)

Excusing this with "mistake" is quite dumb. You can't mistake Auschwitz and Treblinka for Buchenwald and Dachau if you have your facts together. It's impossible. They don't even sound the same. You have to lack every and all knowledge about the Holocaust and the history of WW2 to do that. Of course, if you believe that Treblinka is a typical Bavarian name... Well, who would be that stupid? Oh... nevermind.

My greatgrandfather was in Buchenwald. Why do I know that for sure? Cause I actually listened to the story. And I don't have to make it up as I move on.

Obama... just... stop it, really. It's getting annoying.

Senator Barack Obama is a GAFFE. Everything about him and his campaign should be under the gaffe umbrella.

Every time Obama talks about the vets getting the shaft here at home with regard to health care.. or mentions PTSD, some will bring this up to divert the issue. It's sad that some can't stick to the real issues but jump at every possibility to yell liar, liar, pants on fire.

Time to grow up. Time to get real. Time to pay attention to what is being said, what the real issues are, rather than lay in wait for any minor bs to jump on.

Good try Jake although yet again I find not many comments worth of note.

This is pandering at its lowest ... dont get the facts the country or the relationship correct , just reference the holocaust on Memorial Day to a crowd of veterans , and the very worst thing is ... this is the very first time we ever heard of this relative , when it is convenient.. I guess for the first time in his adult life someone found him on obamas family tree?? I dont believe for one minute the man came home and stayed in the attic ...embellishment is just a lie obama is a liar; I am repulsed that he finds the holocause a convenient reference for political purposes , I find obama reprehensible
MY father was a turret gunner and he flew in big bombers over Italy... and my children know what he did and where ...

RC is not even posting from a US Ip, nor a US timezone.

Must be one of those $4 an hour, out-sourced Obama posters.

Obama is even shipping blog harassment jobs off-shore.

RC...I have a 14 year old daughter who wouldn't enlist. We are grateful for those who do, but last I checked we didn't have a draft. These brave young men and women actually enlist and want to and some go back time and again.
I'm still voting McCain if Hillary is not an option.

Another sign that our "gaffe" happy society will pounce on anything. But karma is crazy. Obama was happy to help insinuate that Clinton was hanging on just in case he was assisinated. Now, he's suspected of making up family history again. Both stories overblown and irrelvant. But it's hard to feel sorry for him when he was comfortable playing up Clinton as co-conspirator in an assasination....

Posted by: RC | May 28, 2008 2:50:30 AM

no president can institute the draft without the okay of congress....