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Older Hoosier to Obama on Gas Tax Holiday: "A Lot of Us Are Nothing But Short-Termers Anyway"
May 01, 2008 4:17 PM
Sen. Barack Obama's stance against the federal gas tax holiday supported by Sens. Hillary Clinton and John McCain may have won him the support of editorial boards and been a factor in the defection/endorsement of superdelegate Joe Andrew, but at least one older Indiana voter isn't so impressed.
With a nod to Obama's complaint that the tax holiday isn't a long-term solution, in Columbia City, Indiana, today an older Hoosier said, "well, even if this tax that we pay on gasoline and the big oil companies would be paying that -- although it is a short term thing as you say -- why can't it be made this money that the oil companies to pay it into that fund that takes care of roads, bridges and stuff, and we can still get some relief on this gas, even if it is short term, and a lot of us are nothing but short termers anyway?"
Watch it HERE.
- jpt
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Unlike what Obama tells those that listen to him, both McCain and Clinton have long term plans to deal with the gas prices and oil companies. Where is Obama's? B.O. has few details, if any, about any long term plan that he's come up with. So isn't he playing the fear card here? Who is playing with the facts?
Just because he says it...doesn't make it so. Sounds to me like someone's jealous! And arrogant, as usual.
Posted by: debunker | May 2, 2008 11:20:29 PM
Relif may last just for 2 days. Then prices will go up again, as it is Market. But than you will pay directly to Oil Companies's profit.
All, relif and all what will follow.
There is no Miracle on the market. You are paying as much as you agree. No matter, if tax included or not.
What kind of people are those clinton's backers? Complete idiots or what?
Posted by: LINDA,FL | May 2, 2008 10:35:13 PM
Let's see. Obama's argument is that reducing the gas price (with gas tax holiday) will cause the gas consumption to increase leading to an eventual price increase. So, Mr. O is saying that the prices should never come down so we all use less gas. Go figure the logic. Stupidity. Also, he says, it's just $30 savings over summer. With savings from gas tax holiday, I can feed my son milk for 15 weeks (pretty much thru summer). Someone put sanity into Big "O".
Posted by: hp | May 2, 2008 2:19:47 PM
LET'S BE SERIOUS!
Which candidate can ACTUALLY do anything now about gas tax?
1. Bush can lower prices by leaning on the UNPATRIOTIC oil executives to lower prices.
2. Bush can RELEASE OIL RESERVER, which are there for emergencies!
McCain & Clinton ARE PANDERERS!
They are into gimmicks, WHICH WILL DO NOTHING TO PRICES NOW!
Obama is into long term solution, ONCE AND FOR ALL!
Posted by: Patriot | May 2, 2008 1:53:01 PM
The Old Hoosier needs some economics lessons. Obama, Clinton, and McCain are ALL wrong: The tax cut won't result in ANY appreciable savings for drivers. Why? Because when the price goes down because of the tax cut people will buy more, but the supply will remain limited so the prices will go right back up. This tax holiday is a gimmick to pander for votes. Obama is right about that part of it. We've also learned that any "temporary" tax cut magically transforms into a "tax increase" when it expires, so the long term political effect of this would be to reduce taxes on something we should be trying to discourage consumption of. If the Senators want to cut taxes in a helpful way they should extend the solar energy tax credits that (as of now) will be expiring just before one of them takes office.
Posted by: DryHeat | May 2, 2008 1:29:46 PM
The distinction between cure of oil dependency and short-term relief has a certain point to it and gives us an insight into the views of people like this sweet senior woman. Mostly, I thought what she said was funny, and it sounded as if Obama was laughing, too. On the serious side, however, lots of Americans live as if their relationship with the world were short-term and as if the only thing that matters is their short-term self-interest. That's what makes Slick Hillie's pandering disgusting.
Posted by: newddle | May 2, 2008 12:27:41 PM
These gossips stink.
The public data, REZKO, REV Wright carries more weight than those smearings about Hillary. OBAMA never be able to brush them aside. Hillary never fails to dazzle with brilliance and toughness.
Voters are choosing the best for the WHITE HOUSE. It is Hillary.
Posted by: John_Lai | May 2, 2008 12:11:08 PM
pp I know what Bill did as president I don't have to google it. I also remember all the scandals. Should I list them. And now the Peter Paul trial. No more please. This country needs better than that.
Posted by: lisa | May 2, 2008 10:43:16 AM
How come the Paul Trial against Hilliary has not been brought out by the Media? Plus at Pretrial judge said Hilliary didn't have to testify till after November? Plus told Hilliarys lawyer to say Hi to Bill? Who Owns Who Here?
Posted by: ED | May 2, 2008 10:27:42 AM
Yea this guy thinks short time; doesn't care about the future at all. This is politics today.
Republicans are great at it run it like a business. Do a 5 year plane that is redone every year.
The trouble is this is a country that is supposed to last for few hundred years more, I hope. It is a none profit organization, it is not for the benefit of our political leaders.
Posted by: Thinking | May 2, 2008 10:20:19 AM
Thank goodness Obama is a short timer too!
Sounds like the cut in taxes would help truckers and long distance commuters.
Posted by: HP Boston | May 2, 2008 9:39:42 AM
The thing that both Hillary Clinton and John McCain don't want you to know: The rest of Congress knows the gas tax holiday is reckless pandering and would never support it. So, It won't get passed this summer, or likely ever.
Clinton/McCain '08 - Partners in pandering
Posted by: Justin | May 2, 2008 8:21:20 AM
Hilary also plans to stop the opec's monopoly/price setting. She states that 9 of the 13 opec members are also in the world trade organization. the wto has rules against monopolies, which she would pursue as president.
Posted by: pp | May 2, 2008 8:02:02 AM
Hillary pays for suspending the gas tax over the summer months by imposing a windfall profits tax on the oil companies.
This is a fact the Obamabots don't want you to know.
Obama claims suspending the gas tax will save you $30... let's see now, 18 cents a gallon will save you $1.80 every 10 gallons. How many gallons do you think you'll use this summer? I'm betting more than $30 worth. That's a lot of arugula!
Posted by: HoosierSue | May 2, 2008 7:38:26 AM
*sarcasm* I agree with the Hoosier about life being short term prospect. With that logic, why don't we let the national debt continue to balloon without end, our children and our grandchildren will only be here short term too?
Heck while we are at it, why don't we just move aside and let China make these magnets that guide our laser defense missiles too WE ARE ONLY A SUPERPOWER ON A SHORT TERM BASIS. Let's let it go and let it flow.
Posted by: Genna | May 2, 2008 7:37:54 AM
cappamore and jgaw
Hillary is the smartest candidate by far. No doubt about it. Did you see her on O'Reilly?? Great show and more to come. You could tell he enjoyed that interview; the ratings were through the roof!!
GO HILLARY 2008!!!
Posted by: countallthevotes | May 2, 2008 7:16:48 AM
lisa,
google the clinton years accomplishments and you will see what he did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
his was a great administration, and he left the white house with a 65% approval rating.
Posted by: pp | May 2, 2008 2:35:51 AM
Hey Frisco Girl, Obama is not running scared. You are mistaken.
Posted by: donis georgiou | May 2, 2008 2:15:55 AM
jgaw: I just checked the posts one more time before I call it a night. Just wanted to say that you are right on! I'm looking for the smartest person in the race to be POTUS, too.
GO HILLARY! AND I LIKE BILL, TOO!
Posted by: cappamore | May 2, 2008 1:45:12 AM
it is not for patriotic reasons the politicians do not want them back-especially that crowd that is in there now. the clintons do not owe them anything-and it will be harder for them to garner favors-it is plain and simple they do not want them back because this time around there really is nothing in it for them. The politicians.
and for those reasons and a whole lot more it should not be up to the politicians.
who i want in the white house is the smartest person-who sound like they have a good grasp of what is ailing me and mine.
when I hear obama giving his speeches I only hear him repeating what the people already know.and he give a broad stroke over the solutions.
sen. clinton is out there tell what the solutions will be and how she will pay for them.
the president for the people is about the future-not the past.
look at sen. clinton on bill o. and on nightline-she is just plain smart with everything-she is conversational about solutions with all of the issues.
and then go back and listen to any one on one interviews of obama.
sen. clinton is the smarter for POTUS.
the country will lose.
Posted by: jgaw | May 2, 2008 1:16:35 AM
gjaw, we are the same age. I am sorry but the Clintons are not liked among politicians. And Hillary won't be the nominee. Bill disgraced the white house. Do you really want Bill back in the white house. Omg I don't.
Posted by: lisa | May 2, 2008 1:06:54 AM
after bill clinton left office everyone just wanted him to go away
and he did he got on about doing good where he could. a lot of people have their aids meds because of the work bill clinton has done-his foundation has HELPED more people that his critics can say it should not exist. he found a void in the world in the world and has tried to fill it.
and remember everyone else just wanted bill clinton to disappear.
I could get into some comparing of bill and jfk but will not.
so everyone just wanted the clintons to go away.
then 911-after 911 we were listening to the people in power and trying to make sense out of what had happened.
I can remember it plainly=a news anchor woman on cnn said-"we sure could use bill clinton"
yes he get a lot of money for speaking engagement-so what, that is the system we live in. but why are people willing to pay so much? maybe because they realize he is smart and they can make sense of what he says.
obama had a speech and got lucky
(just like with any other position he has run for-something happened he got lucky-never an out and right fair and square win)
Maybe obama will go on to be a great president. It still will never change the WAY he got there.
just being lucky-a president should never have it be able to be said they won POTUS because they "were just lucky"
and made a few good speeches.
sen. clinton is the smarter of the 3
Posted by: jgaw | May 2, 2008 1:03:45 AM
lisa, it is a good thing I checked before goodnight.
I am 53 and I know what it is all about
I know exactly what the impeachment deal was really all about too.
and what i do know is
Sen. Clinton is smarter and more qualifed to be president than obama.
obama offers change-but he will be delivering the same old politics as usual. so the only change he will really make is he will be doing the same old, same old.
sen clinton runs circles around obama and mccain on the issues that face us today.
all of that stuff that happened in the past will not put a dime in my pocket over the next four years.
all of that was bills admin.
this is today and tomorrow =sen. clinton time.
you know all while all of that was going on-for me economically things were great.
so it did not faze my life one bit personally.
sen. clinton' run is all about our tomorrow
not bills past.
sen. clinton is smarter than obama and should be president.
obama is just lucky-and he should not be president.
it just goes to show the further "dumbing down" of our country.
when W became president over gore
we dumbed now a notch as a nation.
with either obama or mccain-we are dumbing down even more.
obama supporters will be happy
or mccains supporters will be happy
but the nation needed the smart girl this time.
when we had to chose between g. bush
and kerry-I thought-I wish there was someone else out there-not having anyone in mind.
kerry bush-we couldn't have had two more duller candidates running for president.
until we got to these two. obama with his empy talk and mccain with his nasty flip disposition.
with mccain and obama we have truly hit rock bottom when it comes to picking the best candidate for POTUS
and print this prediction off.
within 18mos to 2years of either mccain or obama' presidency and we will be wishing we had the smart one.-sen. clinton.
Posted by: jgaw | May 2, 2008 12:48:42 AM
jgaw, It's not about the elites, Wright or Obama. It's about Bill Clinton disgracing the party, the white house and our country. Our politicians do not want the Clintons back in the white house....period. Look what they did with it. So that is why they are backing Obama.
Posted by: lisa | May 2, 2008 12:30:38 AM
Iam all for a third party,
Obama should not win the presidency as he maybe about to win it.
he has never won a political position just out and right because he WAS the best candidate.
and we should not have a president
based on what his win will be.
Time for a REAL third party.
the dem bigwigs have been in obama corner all along.
and the super d-will jump on his bandwagon because of what they can get out of him.
sen. clinton will owe them nothing.
she truly is for the people.
obama is bought and paid for.
if black people would just think right
they would not want the first black president to have won this way.
MLK is turning over in his grave.
Posted by: jgaw | May 1, 2008 11:41:27 PM
sad commentary
for POTUS
John Mccain=War hero
Sen. Clinton= the smarter of the three
Barack Obama=just lucky
a pundit who is no friend of sen. clinton said tonight if what we know now about obama had come out back in Feb.
obama WOULD NOT have the lead he has.
now.
Sen. clinton has some political experience-she has a good command of the issue and how to solve them.
Mccain-has been around a long time and although i do not agree-he does have a political resume with some meat in it.
So why are we about to elect someone who has a flimsy politcal resume-who we still barely know-and if what we do know we had know 2mos ago-we would not have him.
So as serious as the times are in the world we maybe about to elect a president of the usa-who has run on hope and change-no specifics-he has shown he is a politician just as any of the others-obama will do and say anything he can to get elected.
and we are possibly going to vote for a president who all he really has going for him is:
"guess he is just lucky"
what a gip.
what a gip
Posted by: jgaw | May 1, 2008 11:33:36 PM
irma,
I am with you!!! I was an Edwards supporter to start also. Dean and Pelosi make me sick. No matter how this turns out, I cannot reconcile their behavior with the "Democratic" Party. It is like a sesspool now and no matter who becomes the nominee that candidate will be tainted. It has very little to do with the candidates themselves either. It has everything to do with the Party "elders." How dare they really? How dare they try to anoint anyone our nominee!
Posted by: countallthevotes | May 1, 2008 11:27:28 PM
Here's my own thought. Remember how people were willing to start a third party and Ross Perot was as far as we could take that? I never considered it, I was a STRONG Democrat. However, I do know now, that if the DNC does not do the right thing by US, a third party is where Dems like me will flow. I just never thought it would be the Dems who would create a New Party. Just in case, I like "Populist Party" for a name. If Dean or Pelosi say another word about ending this, I say we take that third party idea SERIOUSLY, with Hillary as our first candidate, but she won't go for it. Then we could bring John Edwards back in.....we have the numbers.
Posted by: irma | May 1, 2008 11:17:55 PM
McCain's vs. Hillary's Plan:
McCain was the first to propose a temporary suspension of the federal gas tax.
His plan would lift the 18.4 cents per gallon tax during peak summer travel months. It also would suspend the 24.4 cent diesel tax.
Clinton, who rejected a similar idea in 2000, said her plan is different from McCain's. She said the Republican's proposal would cost the government up to $10 billion -- money that is used to improve roads.
The senator from New York said she'd make up for the lost revenue with a "windfall profits tax" on oil companies, meaning their profits over a certain amount would be subject to a 50 percent tax.
Her plan also would close $7.5 billion in oil and gas loopholes as well as monitor prices for manipulation
Posted by: countallthevotes | May 1, 2008 11:03:18 PM
Jake get a good night sleep and come up with something better than this.
Posted by: Tina D | May 1, 2008 10:24:33 PM
"The American Society of Civil Engineers says every dollar invested in highway infrastructure generates $5.40 in economic benefits through reduced delays, improved safety and lower vehicle operating costs. And the federal transportation department says every $1 billion in highway spending creates 34,779 jobs."
Source: Wired.com
Gas Tax Holiday Gimmick Pander plan = $9 Billion shortfall.
9 x 34,779 = 313,001 jobs
9 billion x $5.40 = $48.6 in lost or delayed economic benefits
The Gas Tax Holiday Gimmick is a dumb idea.
As Matt Ygelsias writes, how can we trust Clinton when she says she will implement some form of cap and trade, when she goes for this kind of pander policy?
Bottom line, we can't. It's not a "real solution" at all.
Edwards and Obama are right on the mark.
Clinton is the candidate of the status quo and Clinton vs. McCain = more of the same.
Posted by: kid oakland | May 1, 2008 10:19:54 PM
Peter Paul trial....
Why haven't you heard this on the news???---The media wont cover what the Clintons are so desperately trying to cover up! But will cover any little insignificant thing about Obama. You should know the privilege that comes with their "dynasty" and its just that---nasty, political games.
__________________
Posted by: haha | May 1, 2008 9:19:58 PM
sorry, i can't get it right-no glasses
d said
vince foster IS turning over in his grave
Posted by: jgaw | May 1, 2008 9:10:37 PM
excuse me
d said
vince foster is probably turning over in his grave.
God rest his soul
Posted by: jgaw | May 1, 2008 9:08:56 PM
d said vince foster is turning over in his grave
oook?
God rest his soul
Posted by: jagw | May 1, 2008 9:05:26 PM
Vince Foster is probably rolling over in his grave.
Posted by: d | May 1, 2008 9:02:02 PM
cnn, sleeves rolled up, coat off, tie loose, just your typical presidental candidate.
"with his mind on votes
and votes on his mind"
(:>)PEACE
Posted by: jgaw | May 1, 2008 9:00:43 PM
oh God no. please no more speeches.
I see he is trying to be what I guess he and his handlers think is typical white folks
looks like he is in a barn giving a rally- I wonder how many black people are there?
If none, look for him to go rolling down the street in the projects.
he cannot cut it. she is the smarter
Posted by: jgaw | May 1, 2008 8:42:18 PM
jgaw writes:
if he is not giving a prepared speech he is stumbling and fumbling for an answer."
Let's hope he doesn't try to give ANOTHER six-flag lecture! The last one was bad enough.
Posted by: Belle Starr | May 1, 2008 8:33:33 PM
You know what friends one and all
(and I will call you all friends-because we are people here trying to sort this stuff out-some people are not engaged at all-or in it for all the WRONG reasons)
now, I am watching the second day of sen. clinton being on bill oriley show.
and I don't care what you say or all of that old stuff you bring up.
sen. clinton is just plain old flat out smart-first of all I could not believe it she went on the show-when I heard it I said 'OH NO DON'T DO THAT! but listening to her now-maybe she will not be president because the deck was stacked sky high against her but guess what, we will be the losers in the end.
obama cannot sit down and talk about all of these issues with the command that this woman can. mccain-maybe but they will give him softball questions.
obama cannot stand up to this kind of one on one questioning.
sen. clinton loses
the us loses.
most people want obama because he is the black candidate and we should just give it to him
most people want mccain because he is just the last rep left standing
sen. clinton is the smart one in the bunch-and should be president for it.
senator clinton loses
the US loses.
obama does not know the issues like sen. clinton does-she is smarter than he is.
if he is not giving a prepared speech he is stumbling and fumbling for an answer.
We should want the smart one to be the POTUS and for that reason only.
sen. clinton is the smart one.
Posted by: jgaw | May 1, 2008 8:21:29 PM
This sounds good in theory. But I think people need to realize that by putting a few more dollars in their pockets, other hardworking americans will lose their jobs because of it. So it's a catch 22.
Posted by: erin | May 1, 2008 8:15:57 PM
cindy in ny
you can read about the truth of barack obama over at savage politics....and it is a lot of documented truths..
Posted by: treading water | May 1, 2008 7:54:13 PM
Obama the elitist. How many more ways can he indirectly/directly tell America?
Posted by: mona | May 1, 2008 7:50:51 PM
If Obama clearly loses most of the remaining primaries, and then is awarded the nomination by the SDs, he will be perceived as backing into the nomination. The SDs will be perceived to pick the weaker candidate. Even the Democratic party is not so stupid as to allow that to happen; especially if the Florida and Michigan delegations are not seated. It would look like the fix is in. Hillary would be justified in taking it to the convention and fighting it out there.
Posted by: David H | May 1, 2008 7:41:20 PM
Thanks for the Fox News-sourced insights, John_Lai.
Posted by: Robs | May 1, 2008 7:38:01 PM
What OBAMA is really made of:
CAPITAL GAINS TAXES:
1.On Fox, Obama said he would raise capital gains taxes to no more than 20%.
2.On March 27, Obama told CNBC's Maria Bartiromo he would raise capital gains taxes to 28%.
PAYROLL TAXES:
1.On Fox, Obama said he's for raising them on Americans earning more than $102,000 annually.
2.Two weeks ago, Obama said he wouldn't raise taxes on anyone making less than $200,000.
3.When asked by ABC's George Stephanopoulos during the Philadelphia debate with Hillary , Obama responded, "I not only have pledged not to raise their taxes, I've been the first candidate in this race to specifically say I would cut their taxes."
3 DIFFERENT VERSIONS!!!!
He told Chris Wallace:
What the American people are looking for is somebody
who can solve their problems ...
who will tell them the truth about
how we're going to bring down gas prices,
how we're going to bring back jobs,"
(No specifics about how to)
In Obama's impressive rhetorics, and euphemism, he is just a snob living on high sounding theories and glossily out of touch with people.
SOURCE:
Obama lacks the experience to be president:
Democratic candidate shows uncertainty and inconsistency on issues
Posted by: John_Lai | May 1, 2008 7:34:50 PM
Hey Roman X! Thanks for the breakdown! You are correct on this 100%... Do you agree the best thing to do is try and save gas? By say carpooling, public trans or just driving less?
Posted by: Mac | May 1, 2008 7:09:43 PM
Clinton and Hillary both are not in office to accomplish this anyway. Just pandering for votes.
Same Old, Same Old
Posted by: Thinking | May 1, 2008 7:09:05 PM
Justin writes:
"Simply put, the gas tax holiday is a recklessly bad idea and nothing more than pandering at the expense of the voters."
Guess what, Justin? MOST Americans don't know from "simple economics". And MOST politicians don't know from "we can't afford it."
They darn well better do SOMEthing before November (when, along with the stupid election, the weather will be getting COLD in most of the U.S., including N.C. and Indiana), or we'll be dealing with rainbow riots, black and white together.
Here's some simple economics for you: the price of bread has doubled, price of gas has doubled, wages haven't, most Americans have no savings.
And what do you think is happening to people -- actual people, some of whom have children every bit as adorable as the Obamas' (who can't have a pony, their mother informed Meredith Vieira, because they're "allergic to hay") -- who are supposed to exist at the low end of Social Security, minimum wage, and the like?
And remember that poor people don't have health care. THAT's a big help.
Posted by: Belle Starr | May 1, 2008 7:01:08 PM
Hey all you little people who say you need a break, first Hillary will never be able to give you guys your Gas Tax relief and you little people are missing the point, the Oil Companies will raise the price of gas! You will save more by using less gas! Use less gas! Use less gas! Do it and the price will not go up and it will eventually go down. It's called supply and demand and they do teach this in High School! Let me tell you, I live in CA. were we have some of the most expensive gas and I have to drive to work and to pick up kids and I would rather find ways to save gas than to make Americans lose jobs! It's a cycle, first you get your gas tax break, then you don't even get a break because Oil companies raise the price, in the meanwhile tons of Americans lose jobs in an already struggling economy making it worse making Americans spend less which keeps the economy where it is or worse and last but not least you have to buy new tires after running over a pot hole. Who wins? Not you!
Posted by: Mac | May 1, 2008 6:59:28 PM
Hillary Supporters and Undecided voters please read "Revenge is Sweet for Betrayed Pastor" in New York Post.
I am looking for answers and the truth about Obama. I think he has lied to America and betrayed his pastor to save his butt politically.
I don't want this man to lead our country. The truth is coming.
Posted by: cindy in nc | May 1, 2008 6:58:37 PM
I'll take Obama telling the truth than Hillary lies anyday. And Obama's baggage is much lighter (Rev. Wright, Ayers and Resko) than Hillary's (Bill, Norman Hsu, Peter Paul, Marc Rich, Chinese Diswashers, Bobby Seales, Communist law partners, Mark Penn, Clinton Libary Foundation, Weatherman pardons, Whitewater, travelgate, cow futures,Monica, Paula, Jennifer, Kathleen Wiley and Vince Foster).
Posted by: sonya | May 1, 2008 6:57:04 PM
This is just pure pandering. Just look at the numbers on this. If we assume gas stays a static $3.55 across the country (not going to happen over the summer, but it is a good place to start), and the average vehicle has 16-18 gallon fuel tank (for the sake of argument lets say 17 gallons). That would be a fill up price of 60.35 on average. Also lets assume the average motorist fills up 3-4 times a month (mind you these are conservative estimates) for the 3 month duration of the summer driving season, that would be an estimated cost of $ 543 on gas for the summer. Now you follow me here. If the "gas tax holiday" were implemented that would change our 3.55 number to 3.37 per gallon. So doing the same calculations as above with the same simplistic assumptions would cost $515 the net savings for summer would be a whopping 28 dollars. So a 10 dollar a month savings.
And that is a conservative best case scenario for the summer. Prices of gas go up over the summer. What that means is as the price goes up the 18.4 cent tax becomes less and less of a savings. Also I don't even take into consideration that most of the savings or more accurately a little less then half of the "savings" would go to the oil companies pockets. How do I know this? Well they tried it in Illinois, and the results were underwhelming I believe (I might be mixing up who got what) the oil companies got 3/5 ths of the savings, in that case.
Now all that aside, the back to my basic point. This issue is just pandering. Her is why. If any politician really wanted to implement this "gas tax holiday"they would have had to start the legislative process by now. That hasn't happened.
Posted by: RomanX | May 1, 2008 6:52:26 PM
Of course. And this is the same mentality that lead to 8 years of George Bush. Short term satisfaction for long term disaster.
Thanks Middle America!
Posted by: Robs | May 1, 2008 6:52:24 PM
30 cent a day gas to eliminate 250000 construction jobs.how selfish and elitist hillary is.no vision but simply pandering to voters.shame on you hillary
Posted by: FEM | May 1, 2008 6:50:46 PM
The response to the woman's question is simple economics. A production tax savings is very unlikely to be passed on to the consumer. On the off chance that the price did go down, it would result in increased demand and even higher prices in the mid-term.
Simply put, the gas tax holiday is a recklessly bad idea and nothing more than pandering at the expense of the voters.
Posted by: Justin | May 1, 2008 6:47:32 PM
A writes:
"Durbin and Obama (aka Soetoro) are buddies."
It figures these two chickens, masters of the craven political apology, would get along -- who could forget Durbin's:
"Durbin, the Democratic whip, acknowledged that "more than most people, a senator lives by his words" but that "occasionally words will fail us and occasionally we will fail words." Choking up, he said: "Some may believe that my remarks crossed the line. To them, I extend my heartfelt apologies ... When you look at the eyes of the soldiers, you see your son and daughter. I never, never intended any disrespect for them."
Posted by: Belle Starr | May 1, 2008 6:36:36 PM
Senator Obama and his campaign workers can run around all summer in gas gushlers and not worry about paying the high costs. Take it out of campaign funds. It just shows how little he really thinks about the little guy just getting to work.
This man is so out-of-touch with real people who keep this country limping along.
It would be a refreshing relief if Obama would just go back to South Chicago and fulfill the promises he started making in 1996. That is TWELVE YEARS of broken promises.
Posted by: Mia | May 1, 2008 6:33:10 PM
I do remember when democratic senator Durbin was proposing a 50-cent increase in the federal gas tax. That was only a few weeks ago. Durbin and Obama (aka Soetoro) are buddies. Both appeared in Warrick and Vandenburg counties in Indiana this week as well as wife Michelle. This little tip of the Hoosier state probably comes real close to the kind of population Obama (aka Soetoro) claims is too bitter to understand complex issues and instead, cling to guns and religion.
Posted by: A | May 1, 2008 6:28:40 PM
Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal
You can give your savings to Harry Reid.
Posted by: A | May 1, 2008 6:25:16 PM
I have to laugh at the clintonista who says Senator Obama is the "establishment" candidate!!!
That's a HOOT! Talk about trying to reinvent Hillary Clinton! Now she's the working guy's dream (even if not Bill Clinton's!). HOGWASH!!!
Those who think the "Gas Tax Holiday" is a good thing are not only short-sighted, but selfish and unthinking! While you save $30 or $50 over the summer, your neighbor who helps build roads will be put out of work. Then you'll be complaining and suing the city or the state for tire damage from the pothole you hit!!! Overall, it'll cost you and others a lot more than the $30-50 you save. And that's IF BIG OIL doesn't hike the prices another $0.18 a gallon to eradicate your savings!!!
Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!
Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!
Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | May 1, 2008 6:23:10 PM
I do remember when democratic senator Durbin was proposing a 50-cent increase in the federal gas tax. That was only a few weeks ago. Durbin and Obama (aka Soetoro) are buddies. Both appeared in Warrick and Vandenburg counties in Indiana this week as well as wife Michelle. This little tip of the Hoosier state probably comes real close to the kind of population Obama (aka Soetoro) claims is too bitter to understand complex issues and instead, cling to guns and religion.
Posted by: A | May 1, 2008 6:17:47 PM
Are there 300,000 actual jobs being paid for out of that tax money or is this a just a political possibility?
Where did you get your information?
As for the search for fuel efficient cars, that is a different issue entirely... . That is the ultimate goal; this would just be a bandaid ..
which many of us can use at this point to help stem the flow from our bleeding wallets.
And perhaps,in the meantime, OBAMA can give up his limo for a Ford Focus to save on gas.
As for Obama and Odinga.... I think we ALL had better care.....
Posted by: questioner | May 1, 2008 6:13:29 PM
"In Search of the Real Barack Obama: Can a Black Senate candidate resist the DLC?"
blackcommentator, 2004:
"In 1996 Obama was elected to the Illinois state senate. At the midpoint of a four-year term in 2000, Obama challenged incumbent congressman Bobby Rush and was trounced in the Democratic primary by almost 2 to 1."
And now he's doing the same thing AGAIN. The Obamas and their cult followers can't get around to "change" until they rule the world, apparently. So HOPE he gets whupped in North Carolina AND Indiana.
John Edwards would be the best nominee. Clinton would be okay.
Posted by: Belle Starr | May 1, 2008 6:12:31 PM
So all of the folks saying they want a short term solution...
What do you do at the end of the summer when the 18 cents a gallon comes back PLUS the regular increased price of gas? You lose more money when the gov't and the oil companies try to make up the difference.
Does anyone remember the "short term" increase in the price of gas following Katrina? Gas jumped 50 cents to a dollar nationwide and hasn't headed south since. Why do we want to give the folks that control gasoline an excuse to crush us come Labor Day?
Besides, why does anyone think the same gov't that has put us in this situation would get this tax break passed by Labor Day, anyway?
I for one am not looking for a Band-aid, I want a real solution. I thought Hillary was the candidate with real solutions.
Posted by: North Carolinian | May 1, 2008 6:10:35 PM
Obama is also expected to recieve 3 SDs this weekend from Illinois
Posted by: Vanessa | May 1, 2008 6:04:04 PM
I don't see anyone responding to this reality: the gas tax pays for 300,000 American jobs that repair things like the bridge that collapsed in Minneapolis.
300,000 jobs is a lot of American jobs.
We can only bury our heads in the sand about energy independence for so long.
Why are we at war in Iraq, costing 4,000 lives?
It's a war John McCain and Hillary Clinton voted for. Now they both propose a gas tax gimmick (that won't pass) instead of dealing with fuel efficiency and CAFE standards that will make America less dependent on foreign oil.
That makes us safer and more secure.
We can do great things as Americans if we put our minds to it.
I'm for the guy willing to go to Detroit and demand more fuel efficient cars. That's Barack Obama and that's honesty. It's not easy, but it's needed right now.
Katrina, Minneapolis...that's what gas tax gimmicks and a lack of investment in our infrastructure gets us.
And, yes, that tax goes directly to 300,000 American jobs. 300,000 families able to make their mortgage payments.
I'll gladly pay my $15.75 this summer. It's a good deal all told.
We can do great things, but only if we work together. That's how my grandparents made it through the Depression and WWII.
Where is that spirit now?
I see it in the patriotism and can do attitude of Barack Obama.
Posted by: kid oakland | May 1, 2008 6:01:31 PM
The gas tax is disastrous. It's a matter of simple supply and demand. Getting rid of the gas tax will increase demand and therefore the price of the gas. In the end, who benefits? Not us. The oil companies.
Posted by: truvy | May 1, 2008 5:59:38 PM
USA Survey polls are not the most accurate...
They had Obama within 6 in PA
and Obama leading by 1 in TX
I've learned after PA no poll can be trusted except nationwide polls
polls report on whose getting bad media coverage
Posted by: Vanessa | May 1, 2008 5:55:50 PM
Jackie writes:
"Obama is the establishment candidate ... don't be surprised when Rezko and Obama's cousin who is a terrorist and everyone else that he's hiding and denying and lying about comes out."
Amen. The trouble with prattling about "long-term solutions" in the gas situation is that POOR and WOKING people who HAVE to drive can't wait for "long-term solutions" without becoming homeless or starving, with the price of gas and groceries doubling.
Everybody but hothouse candidate Obama, the phony with the "people" campaign, realizes this.
Posted by: Belle Starr | May 1, 2008 5:53:33 PM
MSNBC also reported that IF Hillary does better than expected next Tuesday...
there goes that word
IF
Fact of the matter is, Obama will likely recieve the most pledge delegate
If Obama win NC, he's also likely to win the popular vote
and no she doesn't have the popular vote lead. If that helps you sleep at night... go ahead
She needs 65% of the remaining votes to reach Obama
From reports, SDs are thinking of their political career
I also find it ironic, the media reported the same about PA... if she won PA
SDs would probably defect from Obama and question Obama's support amongst the working class
and what happens
Obama gains 12 SDs and Clinton gains 10
Since Super Tuesday
Obama has agained 81+ Clinton 14+
Clinton needs 2/3 of SDs to clinch the nom
Obama needs 1/3
At this rate, I say Obama is well on his way...especially with this report
June 3
Posted by: Vanessa | May 1, 2008 5:51:26 PM
Here's the thing....USA Survey polls (the most accurate in the 2004 election and the most accurate to date in the 2008 primary) have Hillary within 5 points of Obama in NC....They also have her up by 9 in IN....With her usual 3-5 point bump of late deciders I think ya'll need to hide and watch this one..
Obama is the establishment candidate...This is all about money. He could stand on his head and advocte an overthrow of the govt with Wright by his side and he would still be the establishment candidate...Kerry and Kennedy couldn't make it as president...now they think their pupil will let them run things from behind the throne.
He has no record of accomplishment...he has no history of "uniting" people...he is a political animal who would disown his own grandmother to win an election...
By the way, can anyone tell me how often Obama visits his grandmother? If you are going to buy a media invention wrapped in pretty words don't be surprised when Rezko and Obama's cousin who is a terrorist and everyone else that he's hiding and denying and lying about comes out.
7 Lies about Wright so far and no apology to Hillary about Wrights attacks on her from the pulpit/
5 Lies and counting about the slumlord Rezko who Obama identified in South Carolina as "this individual I did 3 to 5 hrs legal work for." Turns out they are lon time friends and they boutght a house together in 2005.
First he claimed no one met with Candada ...media gives him another pass.
For everyone that is worried about Hillary exagerrating about Bosnia...you haven't seen anything yet...Obama is the king of distraction and his campaign is built on a "House of Lies"
Hillary or McCain in 08
Posted by: Jackie | May 1, 2008 5:44:43 PM
getreal
So what if they're pandering. That's more than Obama (aka Soetoro) has come up with.
Posted by: A | May 1, 2008 5:44:41 PM
Anybody who's been around for awhile will tell you, if your Joe Citizen and the government's going to let you keep more of your money you grab it. If that money doesn't go to you it will go somewhere else, and God knows the middle/working class deserves every break they can get. People want a president who taxes grudgingly and errs on the side of bringing relief to taxpayers. Obama is out-of-touch. It's small change for his pals in San Fran.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | May 1, 2008 5:43:22 PM
To Vanessa: MSNBC also reported that if Hillary does better than expected next Tuesday, the superdelegates may start rethinking their positions. That's why Obama is all of the sudden suffering through acting like a "regular guy" when he would be much happier at some fabulous mansion of one of his wealthy billionaire donors sipping red wine and talking about the clinging bitter small town people that just don't get it.
GO HILLARY 08!
Posted by: calli | May 1, 2008 5:37:35 PM
Let me think...what can I buy with the 30 cents the "gas tax holiday" is going to save me????? Besides CONGRESS HAS TO PASS A BILL to get this "tax" done--who really thinks they will do that by the summer?? It's only taken 3 months to get tax rebate checks!! Get real people---Hillary and McCain are just PANDERING FOR VOTES--shame on you if you fall for it!