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Panetta: Time for Clinton to Concede

May 09, 2008 6:53 AM

Mark Matthews at San Francisco's KGO TV  caught up with former Clinton White House chief of staff Leon Panetta to chat about what his former boss's wife -- Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY -- should do now.

"It's pretty clear unless there's a bolt of lightning, Barack Obama is likely to win the Democratic  nomination," Panetta says. "She's put up a good fight and put up a good race, but I think there's a time now where she needs to concede and unify the party."

Panetta says "come early June, if things continue and superdelegates continue to move towards Barack Obama, then I think she needs to be a gracious loser and be able to concede this race with honor."

If she remains in the race until the final primary on June 3, Panetta says, "I guess what I would do if she is going to do that is warn them they should remain on issues, they shouldn’t engage in personal attacks....Whether the winner wins will depend an awful lot on how the loser loses."

The decision is ultimately Clinton's, Panetta says, "because this race is hers and she's been deeply involved and put up a hell of a fight."

Indeed.

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TWC (That Clinton Woman) has every right to go right to the end. I hope she does! The problem is not her intent to continue but HOW she has and is campaigning. I would be disappointed if a candidtate sharing my principles were to drop out and stop trying to make the case, were to stop trying to at least impact the platform. But Hillary has shown herself devoid of principle. So, keep going, keep showing folks what you are really made of, Hillary, and then get ready to lose your Senate seat, too. Good riddance!

Posted by: mirth | May 10, 2008 12:26:49 PM

The Clintons cannot be bought and they won't ask for help to buy a dream house. Millions of dollars they make and money is it, they don't have to work that hard.

Money to Obama means a lot more than to Clintons.

Posted by: John_Lai | May 10, 2008 1:17:34 AM

It's just disheartening to read some of the pro-Hillary posting, allegedly made by Democrats(?). There will be an awful lot of thumb sucking being done by these so-called Democrats come next November when Obama tackles McCain. For heaven's sake cease with your petty arguments in favor of Hillary, nobody gives a hoot about your threats of desertion - go ahead, get lost, you were never one of us to begin with. We need to reclaim our country from the fascists who have being ruining the middle class for the last 28 years. Yes, those 28 years includes Bill Clinton's two term of tweaking the interns, and following the playbook that was initiated under that phlegm, Reagan.

Posted by: Emilio in Ocala | May 9, 2008 10:43:31 PM

Clinton only repeated what all the polls have been saying. Obama and the left wing of the DNC just don't want to believe that if he's the nominee, they can kiss the election goodbye.

Shame on everyone who implies that Clinton is a racist or is playing the race card.

"90 % of AA's are voting for ......."

"AA's will take to the street if ...denied the nomination."....

Who's playing the race card?

Posted by: s. valenti | May 9, 2008 9:45:38 PM

SUPERDELEGATES & DEMOCRATIC PARTY VIPs ARE MAKING A BIG MISTAKE BY LETTING BARACK OBAMA AND HIS CHICAGO POLITICAL GANG RUN THE SHOW. There have been far too many instances where polling places kept Clinton supporters from voting. Many, many precincts had Obama volunteers working and some did not have enough ballots. Obama supporters have constantly distorted facts to favor their candidate and the media is a sleazy culprit in not reporting the truths. I will never vote for that corrupt politician. He is a divider, not a uniter.

Posted by: Grammie | May 9, 2008 9:37:40 PM

I've heard many analogies to this being a game and it's still going. It's like this-Obama has a 7 point lead in a basketball game,has the ball, and there are 1.4 seconds to go.Time to get to the parking lot. FIGURE IT OUT CLINTONS!

Posted by: bskahn | May 9, 2008 8:48:21 PM

Hillary can still win this and the more they blame her for Kennedy and Kerry's rage and try to push her out the more millions of us will move to MCcain I'm sick of Hillary bashers this not even between Obama it is between Kennedy and Clinton.

Posted by: Bishop | May 9, 2008 3:10:56 PM

"College" kids founded this country and fight in our wars. Denigrating them by accusing them of selling out the "heart of this country" because they don't vote like you is not nice. Obama is mocked because he can string a coherent sentence together that establishes some ideas that a majority of the people, young and old, agree with. The mockers need to look at something else to mock.

Posted by: Rita | May 9, 2008 11:59:20 AM

If McCain brings it up...Hillary has set the precedent once again.

Posted by: dl | May 9, 2008 11:22:16 AM

"Race is a valid issue in the country...not in the election."

You are totally blowing this out of proportion. Hillary is not making this an ugly discussion on race. She is pointing it out as a valid concern. She is not tearing down Obama, she is in fact revealing the voters, not the candidate.

Hillary Clinton is not trying to sacrifice the black vote to get the same number of whites to vote for her. The racists in this country are only a small percentage, but it is a valid concern in a race like this.

You are mischaracterizing this issue. BUt that is not surprising since it is an issue that whites don't like to talk about (by the way I'm not white).

you further said:

It may be an issue...but it is not a "valid" issue to tear your opposing candidate down on. That is really bad politics.

and don't say that Obama said it was a valid issue to attack your other candidate on. That is kind of disgusting. Even with racism being a factor in this country a presidential candidate coming out and saying he can't win because white people won't vote for him...
Be very clear...Hillary is not a racist at all... she is an opportunist to a disgusting degree.

We as a country have come about a hundred years past our presidential candidates outwardly saying statements that incite racial division rather than inciting racial unity.

luckily she is done so this is not as big of an issue but between this and giving the terrorists and Iran the soundbite video clip of a presidential candidate saying "we will obliterate Iran" with Nuclear weapons accompanied with her "Massive retaliation" policing video clip... this woman needs to learn that her statements are not just about her winning...or get out of the race."

Posted by: kissthesky | May 9, 2008 11:12:38 AM

kissthesky

Race is a valid issue in the country...not in the election.

It may be an issue...but it is not a "valid" issue to tear your opposing candidate down on. That is really bad politics.

and don't say that Obama said it was a valid issue to attack your other candidate on. That is kind of disgusting. Even with racism being a factor in this country a presidential candidate coming out and saying he can't win because white people won't vote for him...
Be very clear...Hillary is not a racist at all... she is an opportunist to a disgusting degree.

We as a country have come about a hundred years past our presidential candidates outwardly saying statements that incite racial division rather than inciting racial unity.

luckily she is done so this is not as big of an issue but between this and giving the terrorists and Iran the soundbite video clip of a presidential candidate saying "we will obliterate Iran" with Nuclear weapons accompanied with her "Massive retaliation" policing video clip... this woman needs to learn that her statements are not just about her winning...or get out of the race.

Posted by: dl | May 9, 2008 11:06:38 AM

factcheck: Obama had a 20+point lead in NC prior to hillarys campaigning in the state-so he lost support there amongst white voters. In Indiana all polls showed him winning there prior to her campaigning there. She came from behind to take Ind. away from him, so to recap-he won NC but lost support, lost Indiana-she took the state from him--I see it as a win win for her-he is snowballing downhill.

Posted by: gowestyoungman111 | May 9, 2008 11:06:11 AM

Bruce the supers know...because it is as plain as their faces...that in every state Hillary started with a huge lead and once obama went into the state and campaigned and they got to meet him and get introduced...she either had her lead shrunk by significant numbers or lost.

But like Florida she started with a huge advantage in perseption and PR (for the past 15 years) across the country.

and then she made it worse by suddenly playing this game of Iam the one fighting for your votes...disingenuous at best considering her campaign team put the delegate selection process through the paces over the past three years...and she didn't care about their votes so much when it counted.

and now she won't agree to the Michigan counts unless she gets all and obama...who didn't have a name on the ballot gets 0. C'mon this is all stupid.

Looking at the moneys that came out of Michigan for Obama...he probably would have won. Especially if she hadn't played this I am fighting for your votes bologne.

Posted by: dl | May 9, 2008 10:59:35 AM

you said:
"

Janice

there is a BIG difference in talking about race (although she tends to bring it up...every week)

and saying a candidate can't get a population... especially when you are talking about the population that still has the "power" in the status quo.

She knows (if for nothing else just because of this primary) she knows clearly that bringing the issue up has divided us further each time. So what does she do...she brings it up again.

Obama has never brought up race unless it was pushed in his lap...Hillary continues to consistently bring it up.

There is a problem there. Be honest."

Obama has admitted that race is a valid issue. Democrats are after the presidency here. They need to have a candidate who can win the General Election. The nation is in disarray with the war and the economy. Hillary has not made race the primary issue in her campaigns-- it's always been about experience and her solid (not abstract) plans to solve the country's problems. Now, for the first time ever, she does bring up the issue of race which is a VALID TOPIC in the context of having a black man running for president in a country that hasn't had civil rights for blacks only three generations ago.

And you people are trying to censor this kind of discussion? Truth is important in finding out, this political race is not a game, and Hillary (and people like myself) are not trying to trivialize the issues. It is important to understand what this country really is, warts and all.

Posted by: kissthesky | May 9, 2008 10:58:47 AM

Not to mention

Jimmy carter lefty
Ronald reagan lefty
George Bush Sr. lefty
Bill Clinton lefty
George Bush Jr. Righty.

Barack lefty.
McCain lefty
Hillary righty.

Posted by: dl | May 9, 2008 10:52:04 AM

Hillary's wide margin win in Florida would have been a big factor in the minds of the supers. It has been kind of swept under the rug though. Howard Dean could have forced a fair arrangement but I think he is too far left and he may have some Clinton issues. His judgement has always been bad. He blew his Iowa caucus chance when he told a newswoman a week before Iowa that he did not hold much with caucuses and it got back to Iowa. He had been high in the polls. Then when he lost he went beserk and screamed thereby blowing his Primary run. Now he may have blown Hillary's chances to put a lid on this bad dream named Obama.

Posted by: bruce | May 9, 2008 10:50:40 AM

Progressive democrat? you can change the name-but its still the left wing liberal extreme politics it always was. Anarchists and spendthrifts-sorry, but you can't take over the democratic party-we are on to you and will stop you. If Obama is given the nomination I hope you throw an inaugeral ball-because that will be the only celebration you get-Obama will NOT lead our AMERICA.

Posted by: gowestyoungman111 | May 9, 2008 10:50:11 AM

gowestyuongman

that is really bitter toward just having your candidate not win.

You obviously don't really care about America or the values odf the democratic party...or the soldiers in Iraq...or the falling crevace that afghanistan and our military are going in...or our increasing deficit and reliance on the Chinese governemt...
or the need to have our allie's see we can make the right choice...

This argument vote for McCain and we will play defense for 4-8 years with the congress...is just plain ...dumb.

Posted by: dl | May 9, 2008 10:48:58 AM

SUPERDELEGATES AND HEADS OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS MAKING A BIG MISTAKE BY LETTING HILLARY AND BILL CLINTON RUN THE SHOW.

I blog on ABC often even though I know they are a large supporters of Hillary.
I support Obama
But Hillary Clinton endless meaningless effort to stay in the race to damage Obama..
To damage our Party has made me so dishearted.
The Dem THINK oh this is good for the party its not. It’s disappointing that the only reason Hillary is still in the race is because super delegates some at least are afraid to say it’s over because she is Bill Clinton wife.
I feel the Democratic Party cares more about Bill and Hillary than its people.
This has been an unfair process on Obama who never really wanted to engage in ugly attacks..No only Hillary with her using every dirty trick she could find. Obama came in as the underdog and Hillary is still treating this way.
What she is really saying about this I can get more White votes is “don’t elect the Black man..He can’t win” To me that is what Hillary is really saying.
IF we don't win with Obama I will BLAME Hillary and Bill. The two top democrats who seem to can't let it go.
Even at the expense of our Party.
At this very moment I'm so sad.
Sad that our party is going down in a year where we had it all.
Hillary bringing up gender, bringing up race bringing up any and everything she can to win.
And no one is saying anything.
The media jumps on whatever story gives them the most ratings, not really caring themselves.
We are all here in this blog, blogging like fools..fools with anger or sadness like I feel right now.
Sadness in this process..
I don't know if I'm going to vote this Nov
Even if my main man Obama wins the Nominee because Hillary Clinton has made so dishearted about how unfair this process has been
How she has been able to get away with so much with media being her puppet, with her lies, I could never trust her.
That excitement I had about being a Democrat feels gone, About feeling like apart of something big is dying..

Posted by: betty | May 9, 2008 10:48:38 AM

Rhys, you wrote: "She (Sen. Clinton) is America's only hope between a continuation of Bush policies and moving the country so far to the left that it will be unrecognizable."

Have you actually listened to Sen. Clinton's rhetoric? She is AS far left as Sen. Obama, if not more so! Both want the federal government to take full control of our health care system. They both want to eventually eliminate private health insurance. Both believe in wealth redistribution. Both want to do away with our "ownership society." Both want to destroy the free market with government interference. And both have an utter disdain for corporate America.

Posted by: James Danley | May 9, 2008 10:48:22 AM

It's funny how the media reports only on people who want to tell Hillary to quit now... when actually most of the people in the political circles are more respectful and won't ask her to bow out. They know she can have the next few weeks without hurting the Democratic party.

Posted by: kissthesky | May 9, 2008 10:47:32 AM

To answer your question, countallthevotes, the rush to announce she is finished comes before a primary where she is very likely to carry Kentucky, W Va, and Puerto Rico. On May 31st the Rules and Bylaws Committee of the DNC is also scheduled to decide if stripping the Fl and MI delegates was constitutional. It's because she still has a significant chance that she's being declared hopeless in the race. Orwellian isn't it?

Posted by: katrina | May 9, 2008 10:46:55 AM

gowestyoungman

Bill Clinton won from enthusiasm of a new fresh smart timely message...

not a stale establishment handed experience message. that is the difference...

Not to mention Obama is smart...

and carpenter nyc...it's not about "liberals"...that's a load of cr## ...who cares ...his policies make sense...
A healthcare package that can be passed that is focused on the priority problem...cost...but doesn't ignore that there is a problem that the "market" will fix ... and Americans need to practice preventative lifestyles...like Mccain's.

we need to raise our image in the world...and address the two biggest factors in the increase in terrorism... poverty in muslim or bordering muslim nations and our image as nuclear imperialistic satan...

that also has to be one of the top changes because we need the world to stop going down the path to "buying American is bad"...because that is the way they are heading.

This guy is SMART...with all capitals. Not elitist...not a snob...but smart.

Bill Clinton's message was about unifying ...not fighting. It was less about being a moderate as it was about bridging the two sides of issues about not dividing the country to go into a fight. Unfortunately what came to pass was an evolution of partisanship...which the carried over into the republicans taking over.

Bill did not run on "the other candidates can't get white votes"...

Posted by: dl | May 9, 2008 10:44:27 AM

How tiresome. The same cynical, negative, dead enders are on here babbling the same doom and gloom, negative soundbites. I can see that Hillary and her supporters are going to win the state of DENIAL by a landslide. How many delegates will that state give her?

Posted by: Progressive Democrat | May 9, 2008 10:39:19 AM

I like many others will vote McCain over Obama, and will work and donate to campaigns to assure we have a majority in the house and senate-which i believe will happen-that allows us to override any vetos president McCain issues-we can vote to defund the Iraq war, we can fillibuster and defeat any supreme court appointees that are extreme-lets not forget Sandra Day Oconnor was a republican appointee-A republican president who is a moderate, controlled by a demo congess and senate is actually the best case scenario. So vote McCain and put your time and money into your state elections-stop the destruction of our country by Obama

Posted by: gowestyoungman111 | May 9, 2008 10:35:56 AM

It ain't over, nor should it be! Hillary still has states she will win. Why suddenly with Obama's win in NC is the race over? Hillary was never predicted to win there. I never heard pundits state that if Obama wins NC, this thing is over. My understanding is that he was always predicted to take NC. NC is no kind of talisman for the GE. NC has gone red in the presidential GE since 1976!!!

Jake, what is this really all about?? Why the sudden rush?

Rezko is far from over. Rezko has unitil the verdict is rendered to enter into a plea deal. He also has the opportunity to cooperate prior to and after to sentencing. Recall, Rezko presented no defense whatsoever which means essentially the case was being tried for mitigation of sentence purposes.


Could it be as the bloggers elsewhere have presented that the Obama people want to send a clear message to Clinton supporters to save their money and not even vote since it won't matter; the race is over?

Posted by: countallthevotes | May 9, 2008 10:35:49 AM

I blog on ABC often even though I know they are a large supporter of Hillary.

I support Obama

But Hillary Clinton endless meaningless effort to stay in the race to damage Obama..

To damage our Party has made me so dishearted.

The Dem THINK oh this is good for the party its not. Its dissappointing that the only reason Hillary is still in the race is because superdelegates some at least are afraid to say its over because she is Bill Clinton wife.

This has been an unfair process on Obama he came in as the underdog and Hillary is still treating this way.

IF we don't win with Obama I BLAME Hillary and Bill. The two top democrats who seem to can't let it go.

Even at the expense of our Party.

At this very moment I'm so sad.

Sad that our party is going down in a year where we had it all.

Hillary bringing up gender, bringing race bringing up any and everything she can to win.

And no one is saying anything.

I don't know if I'm going to vote this Nov

Even my main man Obama wins the Nominee Hillary Clinton has made so dishearted about how unfair this process has been

That my excitement about being a Democrat, About feeling like apart of something big is dying..

Posted by: betty | May 9, 2008 10:35:05 AM

When they poll on the standings in college football the factor in the stregnth of the opponent in each game. In other words it is not just a count of victories but how important was each victory, how strong was the opponent. If the number of electoral votes that each state has were factored in to the primary formula.then Hillary would be ahead. If all about Obama had been out earlier Hillary would be ahead. Obama lost Indiana, a sister state to Illinois. The DNC has doomed us by sticking us with this jerk.

Posted by: bruce | May 9, 2008 10:27:56 AM

I remember... The Today show.

A quote

"Edwards said the value of endorsements is "greatly inflated" and acknowledged that Obama "has done pretty well without any endorsement from John Edwards."."

Why not say Obama and Clinton...

Edwards gave it up on both the Today Show and Morning Joe interviews

Posted by: Vanessa | May 9, 2008 10:27:28 AM

Today's Boston Globe, Kennedy threat to Clinton:

"At this point, her possibilities and her future in the party are very sound," says US Senator Ted Kennedy, an Obama supporter. "But the ending and the follow-up always make the difference."

Posted by: countallthevotes | May 9, 2008 10:25:36 AM

I support Obama and I'm against Hillary pushing more damage on Dem Party, but I blame the party for letting the races continue.

This isn't good for the party its only dividing it

The superdelegants are making things worse..

I was a dye hard fan of the Dem winning because how could we lose in a year like this..

I don't believe that anymore..Hillary is making our chance to win in Nov almost impossible and the Head of the Dem Pary and Superdelegates are letting her.

Sign

Someone who has lost faith in this whole process.

Posted by: betty | May 9, 2008 10:25:05 AM

"Hillary is still winning states! What does that mean about Obama?"

Simple, it means he doesn't have Rush Limbaugh out encouraging republicans to vote for him!!!

Give it up people! Hillary is old politics and old news! It's time for a change!

Obama 08

Posted by: Kim | May 9, 2008 10:23:22 AM

At the risk of upsetting Sen Clinton supporters, The nomination process is all but over. Saying that, Clinton should stay until all primaries are finished. She has run a historic and meaningful campaign.I don't think Democrats will not cross over to McCain. When the passions of the Democratic Nomination dies down, common sense will prevail and dems will unite to tackle the important issues of the Country. McCain = Installing 2 Supreme Court justices who are anti-abortion, Roe vs Wade will be repealed, Continuation of the Iraq war, No Healthcare plan and No Economic or Energy policy.

Common Sense will prevaile!!!

Posted by: jld1959 | May 9, 2008 10:23:21 AM

I've made a second contribution to Hillary's campaign; I hope she stays in the race! She is America's only hope between a continuation of Bush policies and moving the country so far to the left that it will be unrecognizable. The New Messiah's pedestal is crumbling (albeit slowly); by November, Americans MAY realize what a disaster Obama would be as our President. At his present rate, he will be a fallen idol by November. If Hillary quits, my wife and I will have to vote for McCain.

Posted by: Rhys | May 9, 2008 10:22:20 AM

so its obvious bruce doesnt keep up todate

better go see what stance McCain has on immigration now....

Posted by: bhrandon | May 9, 2008 10:20:50 AM

Majority of Hispanics are Catholic and after what Pastor John Hagee said and McCain still accepting his endorsement...

McCain just lost two groups, hispanics and Catholics

Posted by: Vanessa | May 9, 2008 10:19:36 AM

dl: You must be a Obama supporter because you don't have your facts straight-The last Democratic win-came with a CENTRIST democrat-BILL CLINTON-Lefty LIBERALS are the CAN'T WIN segment of the party...tooo far left or tooo far right and you've lost the heart of the party-you need a political education--and you are about to get it....

Posted by: gowestyoungman111 | May 9, 2008 10:18:59 AM

Mr. Obama will be the nominee. The Fl and MI votes will not be counted, but will be recorded. The popular vote will be very close and may even favor Mrs. Clinton. Since neither candidate will have enough pledged delegates, the super delegates will have the final say. The other scenario is for Mrs. Clinton to concede, giving the party elite a way out. What a mess!

Posted by: texasdemocrat | May 9, 2008 10:17:29 AM

The large number of Hispanic Americans who voted Clinton in the primary will mostly switch to McCain. McCain is popilar with them as they favor his stance on immigration. Crossover will be high. Another crossover factor will be the fact that McCain has always been a darling of the independents. Another is the fact that McCain is the one Republican in the Senate that a few years back Democrats actually approached to join the Party. McCain is the rebel Republican and millions of Democrats will vote for him. Again the DNC has doomed us to four more years of Republican rule. Obama is not a debater nor is he really much of a politican. His speeches and script were lifted from Deval Patricks (another African American) who recently won the Governorship of Massachusetts. We are doomed thanks to the DNC. If the Florida and Michigan vote had been counted then the supers would have broke for Hillary.

Posted by: bruce | May 9, 2008 10:16:25 AM

Janice, your math is wrong! These are not winner-take-all states. According to several sources, there are only 217 pledged delegates remaining: WV (28), KY (51), OR (52), PR (55), MT (16) and SD (15). While there are differing pledged delegate counts, using your totals, Sen. Obama leads by 161 pledged delegates. Based on the complicated formulas in which the Democrats allocate their delegates, even if Sen. Clinton were to win all 6 primaries, she is not likely to receive more than a net gain of 60 delegates. That would still leave her about 100 delegates shy.

Now then EVEN IF you were to include FL and MI based on the original primary results, Sen. Clinton would have a net gain of only about 65 pledged delegates. That would still leave her about 35 pledged delegates BEHIND Sen. Obama.

No matter how you slice it, Sen. Clinton cannot pass Sen. Obama in the pledged delegate count. So the only way she can win the Democratic Party nomination is if the superdelegates hand her the nomination. THAT is why she will not quit. Sen. Clinton still believes that the superdelegates will go her way.

Posted by: James Danley | May 9, 2008 10:15:44 AM

Josh - good points. Hillary is going to sail in the next few primaries. Obama camp is trying desperately to convince superdelegates BEFORE the outcomes of these primaries are visible. Hillary is the electable candidate.

All those voters who are distubed by the Rev. Wright fiasco have no way of changing their previous votes.

Let all the voters have their democratic right to be counted. All of the voters in the rest of the primaries have not had their say in this race. AND lets not forget about the Mich. and Florida voters either.

Posted by: SM | May 9, 2008 10:14:49 AM

I saw particle of that interview. That interview didn't happen on Morning Joe. That was with another man... forgot his name.

But on both interviews, he clearly let it out of that bag that he voted and would endorse Obama.

June 3 .... this will all be over. I read an article on MSNBC a few weeks ago majority of the uncommitted SDs have decided on Obama but are waiting for the final primary on June 3. The article also stated the SDs have told both camps of their stance.

Posted by: Vanessa | May 9, 2008 10:12:20 AM

Carpenter NYC

the candidates that lost were the ones that came from the establishment of the democratic party...candidates that had loyalists that forced the party to go that way because they had "paid their dues" so to speak...

It is only when we elect someone who has a message that overrides the establishment candidate that we win.

Posted by: dl | May 9, 2008 10:11:27 AM

Vnd

and the party learned from what happened with sen kennedy and the mistake that was... Carter lost.

Posted by: dl | May 9, 2008 10:09:12 AM

The point of the supers over everything else (because the committee that created them was created "to make the party MORE democratic ...not less...and to hold official responsible to the members of the party...meaning the voters...but )

the number one point of superdelegates is making sure that one candidate doesn't hurt the parties chances... and with hillary's continuing to bring up race and talk about Obama's electability problem fallacy ...

that is exactly what she is doing.

Posted by: dl | May 9, 2008 10:07:46 AM


Would they expect a man to drop out if the election were still this close?

Let's ask Senator Kennedy, who wasn't even in the ballpark when he went to the convention in 1980.

Half the Democrats in this country want Clinton as our nominee and this doesn't get decided until August. How dare anyone suggest she quit now?

Posted by: Vnd | May 9, 2008 10:07:14 AM

Vanessa
although he didn't come out and say he was endorsing obama...his interview on the today show was even more telling...in fact when asked who was the most electable ...he answered (after several times refering to how strong Obama was without giving much to clinton at all besides she has a right to stay in the race)
he answered..."Oh, right now Obama is the most electable...(because he has the nomination)"

he also went on to talk about Obama being a unifier...and that he believed he would be the one to unify the country.

check it out

Posted by: dl | May 9, 2008 10:03:28 AM

Obama camp wants this to end before she wins the last primaries and shows that she is the electable candidate. Obama admitted taht her lead in W. Virginia and Kentucky 'were insurmountable.'

Trying to force a candidate to quit id totally undemocratic. The party is driving supporters from it, not Hillary.

I am prepared to go along with all the other Hillary supporters and vote McCain into office. We are up to at least 50% now. And if she is forced into quitting by superdelegates and the media, more will turn to McCain.

Obama cannot win. His obligatory black voters and his 'elite' voters cannot get him into the White House.

And the last thing I would want is for Hillary to accept any VP position on a ticket with that Anti-American and his Anti-American wife.

Posted by: SM | May 9, 2008 10:03:02 AM

The Florida primary vote in Janurary. Clinton 870,968---Obama 576,214---Edwards 251,562---Biden 15,704---Richaardson 14,999---Kucinich 9,763---Dodd 5,477---Gavel 5,275,,,,,,Both Obama and Clinton were on rhe ballot and neither campaigned there. Both had a few ads that ran there as the ad ban could not stop satellite tv from other states. Florida has the fourth highest number of electoral votes. McCain will be very popular in Dade coumty (Miami) and with the millions of retirees throughout the state. Obama has no chance at all in this key state. The DNC has doomed Democrats to four more years of Republican rule.

Posted by: bruce | May 9, 2008 10:01:03 AM

Janice do you really want to bring up the issue of "lying" in trying to support Hillary Clinton?

and John Mccain asking hillary to be his VP...lol... perhaps you haven't heard who he is pitching when he is saying over and over that he will apooint conservative judges and overturn roe vs. wade? Yeah all those republicans voting for a ticket with a Clinton on the ballot.

lol lol lol

It's not silly season...it's whacko season.

Posted by: dl | May 9, 2008 10:00:23 AM

Whoaaa... I have a feeling John Edwards will endorse Obama.

This morning on Morning Joe, he was asked whom he voted for. He didn't say. He was then asked if whom he voted for is whom he will endorse, he answered yes. He then said Obama is the likely nominee.

He gave several other indications...

Obama/Edwards 08

Posted by: Vanessa | May 9, 2008 9:59:09 AM

Someone tell her it is check out time.

Obmam08

Posted by: Thinking | May 9, 2008 9:56:44 AM

Has Obama been truthful? Obama claimed he has never talked politics with Pastor Wright, yea, right.... He listed to wright for 20 years.

Obama said he was against Nafta then sent his top economic ad to Canada and said, Not really.

Obama said he would bring out troops home and his top senior foreign advisor told a scotish paper best case scenario. And called Hillary a monster, But Obama doesn't do negative, yea, right...

Obama said he could not disown Wright, a month later, he was on stage disowning him.

And if you look at the debates, you will see how Obama himself contradicts himself.

How about how Obama won't salute a flag? How his wife said for the "first time, she was proud to be an America"!

What about Obama's ties to FARRAKIN, Tony RESIN, Ayers, Wright... if you all can overlook these concerns and still vote for Obama, you are surely more naive than I am. Because I worry about the security of my country.

Hillary may have said the Bosnia thing in jest, but Hillary has worked all her life helping ppl. She does not deserve the disrespect Obama supporters give her. Unlike Obama, Hillary is for all ppl. Not just black, not just ppl who can help her, but for all ppl.
It is so amazing how the media talks about how Hillary has been unfair to Obama, what about Obama being unfair to Hillary? They called her a monster, Annie Oakley, etc. I can think of some names for Obama, but I don't.
Hillary has been a strong candidate and she can still win. The media needs to start telling the truth instead of lies to the American ppl.
As far as Obama having money, I guess he does. Because of his agreeing with Wright I guess every black person in the U.S. has donated money to Obama, including ppl like Oprah Winfrey. I expect there are a lot of different places that money came from, some on the shady side. We know FARRAKIN wanted to give Obama money. Now why would an ISLAM leader want to invest in Obama being our President? Okay... You vote for him if you'd like. I will not. And many ppl just like me feel the same way.
What should happen is John Mccain ought to ask Hillary to be his Vice president if she doesn't get the nomination. I would vote for John Mccain in a heartbeat if he did. HE would get all his votes and Hillary supporter would support her, they would win by a long shot over Obama. That would be justice for him.
The only way I would vote for Obama is if Hillary won the nomination and he is her vice or if Obama won the nomination and Hillary was his vice. Otherwise, not going to happen. I will not vote for Obama under no circumstances. I will do what I did with GWBUSH sit back and what the American voters make yet another mistake by either voting Obama in or MCCAIN and having another four years of American's economics suffering.

Posted by: Janice | May 9, 2008 9:55:09 AM

Art: the one who is racist is HIllary, you and the media.

I am from Iowa, when we voted here for Obama at the beginning of this race we did vote for the man because of the color of his skin, we voted for him because we know he can do this job.

HIllary, Bill and the media has now played this to the tone of the color of your skin, they have brought race into this. He can't win because he is black and most whites will and are not voting for him, we taking polls to see who is voting from him. This makes me so mad.

Let me tell you, I am white, I am a woman in my late 40's, I am proud to vote and have Mr. Obama as my president, I do not see the color of his skin an issue and many many others feel the same way.

The media has played it to a point of the polls, and Rev. Wright. I want to media to tell me why they have not talked about McCain and his church? The awful things that man has said about New Orleans, why because they are white. Why have they not talked about Hillarys.

I am sick of this race, the media and Hillary.

Those boneless Supers need to do their job and vote for who they are going to vote for. That is why they have this position, to solve any problems we have. SOLVE THE PROBLEM, Please NOW.

Posted by: Becky | May 9, 2008 9:54:56 AM

If it is over what I would suggest for Obama to do is sit back don't even bother with the upcoming states, don't campaign save his money, take a vacation, take a load off, let Clinton run her race.

Since Obama has won, and everything is in place there is no need to fuss, or call Hillary to drop out, no need for ABC and the rest to say it's over daily, relax things will work out.

Posted by: SJ | May 9, 2008 9:44:41 AM

If Hillary Clinton continues the race her campaign goes further down the road to a black hole of debt of no return. Clinton needs to abandon her quest for the nomination and back Obama before its too late.

Posted by: Lookup | May 9, 2008 9:40:29 AM

Can you imagine if Barack or McCain, as the potential next President of the United States, said..."she has a problem with male voters...she still hasn't won them over"

or Barack himself said "she has a problem with Black voters...she can't seem to win them."

and don't say that either of them said that because they have not. Period.

Posted by: dl | May 9, 2008 9:39:48 AM

Janice

there is a BIG difference in talking about race (although she tends to bring it up...every week)

and saying a candidate can't get a population... especially when you are talking about the population that still has the "power" in the status quo.

She knows (if for nothing else just because of this primary) she knows clearly that bringing the issue up has divided us further each time. So what does she do...she brings it up again.

Obama has never brought up race unless it was pushed in his lap...Hillary continues to consistently bring it up.

There is a problem there. Be honest.

Posted by: dl | May 9, 2008 9:37:11 AM

I can see a few people are still in the 'denial' stage of the grief over Hillary's campaign.

Posted by: Gion | May 9, 2008 9:35:57 AM

Panetta:
Maybe it is time for Obama to concede. He is still losing states. Look at the states Hillary has won and still winning. There is a very slim difference in the delegate count and Hillary has won most all of the big states.
HIllary has 1685 delegates. If she wins Kentucky as expected, W.VA. and Puerto Rico that is 1819 delegates (and it is a very good chance in deed she may win Oregon, South Dakota, Montana, we won't know until the vote is in), + once Florida and Michigan is counted, she should get more delegates there since "she did win Florida". Then she has her superdelegates. Don't tell me she can't get to 2025 if she hangs in there, because she can.

Now we have Obama at 1846. If he wins Oregon 52, Montana 16, South Dakota 15, he will still only have 1929 delegates. The same scenario as Hillary he still won't win without the superdelegates. So why should Hillary quit? If neither can win, neither is a winner. So that means Hillary is just as much in the game as Obama. Obama and the media want the American ppl to believe Obama is way ahead of Hillary. He is not. The fact is Hillary is still winning states, she has won most "all the big states that we need in the General election, and neither can win the nominate with the remaining delegates left, when Hillary is still winning delegates. Obama couldn't even win Indiana and that is next to Illinois. So for all the ppl out there telling Hillary to quit, I agree with Bill Clinton, ppl only tell you, "you can't win, if they know you can". If Hillary is no threat to Obama, why is it that Obama, his campaign, and pundits all want her to drop out so badly. Go all the way Hillary. If we get there and you don't get the nomination, and it is a fair decision, Americans will deal with it. Otherwise, you have the same chance to win as Obama.

Hillary can win!

Posted by: Janice | May 9, 2008 9:34:09 AM

Hillary quit now is obsurd. You run a race and almost there and give up? No way.
She has the numbers too.

Posted by: Kottaras | May 9, 2008 9:30:13 AM

Scoreboard:
2025 needed to win


Obama's state wins 32 lost 16, Delegate count 1845 +/-.

Clinton's state wins 16 lost 32,
Delegate count 1688 +/-.


Campaign funds in coffers:


Obama - $50m or more in his campaign war chest.

Clinton - Maybe, (20m) or more in the hole.

Obama all the way


Posted by: Lookup | May 9, 2008 9:29:19 AM

Hillary still has plenty of pledged delegates to take the nomination, if the superdelegates come to their senses and realize that Obama cannot beat McCain. She has three months to convince them of how badly he is going to lose in the general election.

On the other hand, one strategy she might employ is to concede in June so that Obama is the clear choice. This may encourage the Republicans to release the really nasty stuff they have been holding back. If Obama is thoroughly discredited before the convention the superdelegates can move back to Clinton.

The worst case scenario is where Obama gets the nomination and then the Republicans go after him. It is without doubt that Obama will be destroyed politically by the Republicans. Better before the convention than after.

Posted by: David H | May 9, 2008 9:29:17 AM

Hillary supporters....it's called D-E-N-I-A-L! The fat lady is tuned up and ready to sing...let's move forward.

Seriously, don't be such sore losers. We all know that the differences between Obama and Clinton are miniscule compared to the differences between McCain and Obama. So, why not grow up, stop throwing your tantrum, and get behind the Democratic nominee for Prez.

Posted by: What.Say.Me... | May 9, 2008 9:25:53 AM

Hillary is still winning states. What does that say about Obama? There are just a few delegates left in the Primary and Obama can't win the number of delegates needed if Hillary stays in. It is Obama who is being selfish here, not Hillary. Hillary has "every right to continue on in this primary as long as she is still winning big states". Obama may claim the victory but the truth is he is not the winner yet and only if Hillary quits would he be. I say Hillary should stay in there until the last state votes in the Primary, Florida and Michigan has been counted, and "all the superdelegates" decide. Obama may try to trick ppl into believing he has won, and he has. He is the great deciever, but he has not won anything yet. He has no victory until all the ppl decide. And if it weren't for ppl like ABC news/CNN brainwashing ppl into thinking Hillary should quit would the superdelegates run to Obama in the first place. I will am a democrat of 43 years (all my life) and I will NOT, repeat NOT vote for a deciever like Obama. Never! Now or six months for now. The only way I would consider it is if Obama and Hillary ran together and I don't care that they do that.

Posted by: Janice | May 9, 2008 9:21:25 AM

We're sick to death of the Reverend Wright false issue. Isn't there a real issue that the Clintonista's can bring up that offers some real political discourse? Obama could have brought the elitist religious organization that Hillary is involved in into the fray if he had wanted to play the low road as Hillary is willing to do. He is above that and that's exactly what I would've hoped for. His approach to politics is new, responsible, and I happily take stock in the fact that he's leading in all but the superdelegate column...and that will soon be eclipsed. The high road will be rewarded with the Presidency this election and I'm proud to say that my candidate is a man whose bucking the Washington establishment with his approach. Change is the real goal of his candidacy...not just a slogan. An experienced candidate can't provide you real change. They're too vested into the politics machine that has gotten us nowhere in the last 7 years. So if you're like me and completely tired of the mess that the current crop of "leaders" we have in politics today please jump on the bandwagon. There's room for all Democrats and Republicans in this movement! I was pretty sure they'd try to ruin Obama with meaningless issues. You'd be suprised how much mud a career politician will throw to protect the scam that they've been a part of. They are protecting their own rumps and have no concern about our glorius country.

Posted by: Ed | May 9, 2008 9:20:29 AM

As the process winds down and months of reading the foul comments from Obama supporters, after the phone calls to my house in the middle of the night, after all the condescension publicly from Obama, it is time to vote with the mainstream of the State where I live.

McCain for President.

Better for America. Better for the world.

Posted by: len | May 9, 2008 9:14:41 AM

The Humor.

Is this the new campaign strategy...whomever wins KY and WV is whom to win the nomination?

Flip-Flop???

Their first agruement was... whomever has the most pledge delegate should be the nominee

After several losts and the pledge delegate count came out of reach, the new argument was

BIG states... after Obama won several big and possible swing states

Its MI and FL, after realizing the MI and FL delegates will not tally as voted in January

It's the electoral college... After that arguement not flying

It's the popular... after Obama's BIG win in North Carolina and beating expectations in Indiana. The popular vote now seem out of reach.

So now it's, whomever win KY and WV...

WV only has 28 delegates

My prediction is, MI and FL will count. Not as it voted in January but in a slight way to favor Hillary.

Junes 3, After the last primary the SDs will start the process of endorsements.

And my beliefs...from many reports are majority will endorse Obama.

I read an article on MSNBC detailing majority of the uncommitted SDs have decided on Obama but are waiting for the finally primary. It also stated both camps are well aware of where each SD stands.

Posted by: Vanessa | May 9, 2008 9:05:47 AM

Hillary can and will take her fight to the convention. IT IS HER RIGHT.
Kennedy took his fight to the convention after being behind by 700 delegates.
Jesse Jackson took his fight to the convention after being behind by 1200 delagates.
So why because she is a woman these men feel it is their right to tell her when she has to stop running her campaign.

Posted by: toby | May 9, 2008 8:56:20 AM


Rules are for suckers. Wow, no rules, huh? Driving on the wrong side ok?

Yes, Hillary has fought a tough f