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Listen, guys--Having Senators Clinton & Obama continue to compete is the opposite of harmful to the party. In fact, it gives them tons of advertising and attention... They are stars, just like Paris Hilton and Brittany Spears! People tune in to the news where they used to tune in to reality tv or American Idol! I've never seen so many voters care about what happens. We should be celebrating this contest, but with an eye for making sure the most electable and effective person is at the top of the ticket...

Hillary Rodham Clinton '08

I am taking bets as to what Hillary will come up with to get votes in Kentucky..... It will be interesting. She has pretty much used up everything including amending the Constitution to allow Guam to vote in the general election. She is testing that theory to see if it is popular and then she will promise the same to Puerto Rico. Since low level voters in Indiana don't read, Since it won't change the outcome of delegates, this will be an exercise in futility. Is this about bragging rights ? They will never know what a bad idea this gas tax holiday is. We have seen how Hillary intends to fight. A lot like George Bush.
It scares me that so many Republicans including Conservative media is pushing so hard for Hillary to win the primary.
"She will be the best candidate to face McCain in November" they shout. If you believe that I have a piece of swamp land to sell you.

kelly in NC writes:
"I would never vote for Obama......
If Obama is the nominee i will vote for McCain!!!!!!!!"

No need to go THAT far. There's a REAL "black" candidate, who's also a WOMAN: Cynthis McKinney. She's running on the Green Party ticket, but is a better Democrat than "post-partisan" Obama.

Hillary is a fighter for sure. She fights her own party, her husbands former cabinet members, her fundraisers...

Her campaign has been a case study in egomania, Donald Trump couldn't compete with this lady. Anyone else would have bowed out weeks ago.

She will campaign for Obama like her husband did for Kerry; in other words not much.

In the display of the election progress, Obama appeared to start off early with a substantial lead; but, the percentage spread diminished with each stage of the completion, although he still always managed to have more votes added to his tally than Clinton did, up until the 95% completion point. The only time Clinton had more votes added to her tally was with the last 5% counted. As I saw it, it would have taken her winning 500 of the 800 remaining votes to have been able to catch up to Obama, who was then 200 points ahead. Now, that seemed most unlikely, if not impossible, given the progress so far; but, as it turned out, that would have been exactly what happened, if you believed the results.

We as Americans are so sad. So much hatred towards both candidates especially Senator Obama. I see why we are a laughing stock in other countries.

I would never vote for Obama......

If Obama is the nominee i will vote for McCain!!!!!!!!

We can't trust Obama to do what is the best for the USA......Hes already proved hes a racist and a friend of terrorists.......

NO OBAMA..........

Hillary can't even spell "tomorrow" on her own campaign banners. (check for pictures out there). She spells it "tommorow". All you supporters will say that one of her campaign reps is responsible for this - She's the boss of her own campaign... you'd think she'd check these things.

Unfortunately, so many Obama supporters, are not interested in the facts; they are only interested with that which compliments their infatuation. For example, prior to Obama's candidacy, most Democrats were of the opinion that Bill Clinton was one of the best, perhaps the best, president since FDR. But, that idea got in Obama's way. He couldn't have the reputation of his opponent’s husband thwart his ambitions, therefore, with carefully orchestrated race cards and lies of all sorts, he has systematically attempted to destroy the legacy of Bill Clinton and his administration. This is Obama's modus operandi; he destroys all that stands in his way. Before he is finished, he will have destroyed the unity of the Democratic Party; he will have set race relations back 50 years; and he will have destroyed the Democratic Party's chance to win the general election and with it, America's chance to recover from the terrible reign of George Bush. But, I guess to him, all these concerns are secondary to his insatiable and ruthless ambition. To see how he stabbed his friend and political mentor in the back to obtain his first elective office, go to this link

Willow the last three precincts had about half the total ballots cast. Each precinct does not have the same number of voters. Some precincts had about 30 votes to count, whereas the last one had 1300. There is nothing strange About Obama leading and then not leading, when the last three precincts had half the votes.

What is strange is one precinct saying that 26% of the ballots were spoiled. If that is the case then people were given misinformation or the total was deliberately distorted, in that precinct, which Obama has done in every caucus.

Obama's main game in this nomination is to disenfranchise voters and fraudlently manipulate caucus results. My bet is Cliton wins by 100 votes when they are all counted and the "leaked" total before all votes have been counted was from an Obama supporter.

Like I said, no way are 26% of ballots spoiled the results weren't announced for Chair and vice chair because all the votes haven't been counted.

Count the votes!

Jozy: Rather than just giving your uneducated "opinion" and hurling insults, why don't you address the subject matter of my post, which was the theology of Obama's church?

I lived in a small town in Colorado, that had to recount votes 6 times. And each time they counted, it was different. It ended, finally, with a count of 48-42. How hard is that to count and get right? There is something weird going on in political voting. I know I can count correctly to 48. Why can't the election boards count correctly? The entire day I watched Guam and Obama was ahead 55%, Clinton at 45%. All of a sudden they are within 7 votes? This reminds me of that small town. or the state of Florida last GE. Let's get this counted right the first time!!!!

Just await for Indiana, NC,KY ,WV , Oregon and Puerto Rico...Obama will be trashed GOOD...

Just await for Indiana, NC, kt, wv, Oregon and P...Obama will be trashed GOOD...

No reponsible news agency that wasn't biased would have reported a 7 vote "win" for obama with 500 uncounted ballots out of 1300 in one precinct. That's 26% uncounted ballots.

These are uncertified, word of mouth, incomplete, results that should never have been reported.

There is no WIN of Guam yet, which is why the chair and vice chair haven't been announced. The Obama media simply misreport anything that favours him. 26% of votes yet to be counted.

I used to have great respect for the democratic party but with all those radical people, moveon.org, and many more I find myself not one of them.

I wish there was a moderate party ...

The only way Obama wins is to commit fraud at caucuses and disenfranchise 2.3 million democratic voters. This has to stop.

Wow 500 "spoiled" votes out of 1300 cast in one precinct! The precinct that Clinton happens to have won by better than a 60-40 split. My that must set a record for the entire history of US elections. What's that 26% spoiled ballots? Sounds a little high to me.

Impossible.

The 500 votes were considered spoiled votes and were not hidden under a table. The thing is that they printed 8000 voting papers.
I was looking at the count the whole day and Obama was winning by 5% almost the whole time and it was in the last hour that Clinton got closer.

Who has said that the Obama people cheated?
For all we know it could have been the Hillary people who did it.
As a matter of fact Obama was winning by more than 200 points until the last hour during the whole night and day of counting.
Again the clintonians are accusing others before looking at their own faults.

A caucus is run and paid for by the party and as such is much more likely to be controlled by partisan interests.

Someone decided to stop the vote count with 500 ballots left to count and declare an Obama victory by 7 votes.

No who thinks that person might be an Obama supporter?? Gee I wonder.

No state run primary would do that. Caucuses are undemocratic ballot or no ballot. Hopefully the Secretary of State, or equivalent, for Guam intervenes and refuses to certify the results without counting all the ballots.

Count all the votes then declare a victor. It's called democray. The Obama camp nor the MSM seem to be interested much in that concept.

I know they had been up all night counting votes and all but isn't it just a little funny that in the precint Hillary was winning by a 60-40 split they didn't count 500 votes and then an Obama win by seven votes gets reported to the media.

There are still 500 votes to count. Sounds like the Obama camp has committed fraud at yet another caucus.

Certainly the 500 votes yet to be counted will be next week and Clinton will win, by about 100 votes given her margin in the precint they decided not to count fully.

The pledged delegate count will be the same but the chair and the vice chair may not be.

This is getting out of hand honest ,the hate in here, the lies in here it is far from what thiscountry needs right now.

Guam is the trend, and Indiana and North Carolina the end. John McCain has alread lost. Hail our new Messiah and President, Barack Obama, who has been sent by God, to save the US and the free world and to deliver us from evil, and to make our nation and the world into one, free from racial, ethnic, religious and national divide. Say "Yes We Can" to join with your voices, a movement, a nation, and a world. Lord God, our father, thank you for your son, born amongst us, to unite all of us under one banner. Rise O Barcak Obama, son of god, and free us from all evil. Hallelujah! Amen!

Hillary has proven to be a fighter, and that is what we need to lead the country. Obama advisors have played every card in the deck, and the Chickens are coming home to roast.

Since when does a caucus have ballots? What's the deal here folks?

Of course there will be a recount and provisional ballots will have to be examined. 500 votes is a lot and it is important for the chair and vice chair position.

For all of you contesting the results in caucus states as illegitimate because Obama won them - this is simply ridiculous. Hillary has won caucuses, too. What about New Hampshire? Was that win a result of Obama's "bullying" tactics?

The reason Obama has won so many more caucuses is that he has CONTESTED those states. There were many of those smaller states (especially in February) where Clinton did not even establish field offices. The fact that Obama campaigned in those places explains his ability to win much more logically than some devious plot.

As for the Texas caucus v. primary: there have been many, many charges of "intimidation" on both sides. None have been legally actionable, at least to date. Those that have been most frequently reported happened on the Clinton side. Clinton herself admitted that she did not understand the caucus process there, and her campaign filed pre-emptive legal papers threatening to challenge the results *before the caucuses took place*. Forgive me, but that seems much more distressing as a campaign strategy than the actions of any particular precinct captain. Yes, people can get overzealous, but that can happen on either side. Only one side has threatened to sue *when* they lost - because they fully expected to, based on their own lack of preparation.

It's often said that primaries measure "breadth of support" while caucuses measure "depth." In other words, people who show up for a caucus are the most committed to their candidate. That's the reason that Democrats have _both_ as part of their nomination process. They don't just want to sample who the most people like, but also "how much." That way they're not just getting a candidate with high "name recognition," but also a candidate who will have a strong, engaged base of supporters for the general election. On that front, the caucuses definitely attest to Obama's support. The primaries in the large states attest to Clinton's being better known to a broader base of supporters. As time has gone on, Obama has become better known and liked in those larger states (as is shown by the fact that he now polls higher than her in places like CA and NJ). Thus, the primary/caucus hybrid system is a good compromise for getting lots of kinds of input for the eventually nominee.

Oh, and the Guam "caucus" is run more like a primary, with "secret ballot." It's just called a "caucus."

Who cares Guam???Guam can't vote on the GE, but Florida and Michigan can.

Larry. This is the interent. We Clinton supporters have to read all kinds of Bizarre posts about Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Just rest assured that most of us Clinton supporters do not harbour any ill will towards Senator Obama at all. We just feel Hillary is more qualified to do the job.

Larry,
The Dems are getting ready to hand over the white house back to the clueless Republicans again. Just because a popular black man is trouncing their fairy queen Hillary.
Frce Hillary on people and watch your hopes go up in smoke....I cant believe how clueless Howard is.....DNC needs a new chairman for sure.

hi everyone again...please, don;'t discount hillary...she is the best...i think o'reilly fell in love with her.....she just controlled him and threw him to the lions...go hillary

tom davie, thanks, good to hear from you....hillary will not back down. go dems...go hillary

sheila, seems your 1:16:39 a.m. post makes the Clinton supporters case for them - that our caucases here stateside have been manipulated in Obama's favor. DNC Chair Howard Dean wrote about how to skew caucases (he even included how win elections by targeting the young); it can certainly be done by anyone lacking moral fiber.

Hey Carla Sue .

Good to be here. Was a great Caucus in Guam. Very close.

Congrats to senator Obama. Lets hope for a big win in Indiana and North Carolina for Hillary.

I dunno folks.

Regardless, the thing was a virtual tie. Obama technically wins and contrats to him.

Im sure its fair and square.

Lets move on to a good indiana and north carolina primary.

A win is not a win unless Hillary win's. A rule is not a rule unless Hillary makes it.

No need to be a Hillary hater on this one. You should be thrilled. Its a caucus. Obama wins those. He has organizers who disenfranchise voters with oops we ran out of ballots. Too bad so sad.

The Guam results is an indication that Hillary will have problems in Puerto
Rico. American voters are not familiar with the issues that concern the people of these territories. There will not be enough room to race-bait like Clinton did here in the mainland. She is in for s surprise in Puerto Rico.

i wonder how long it took for the hillary supporters to "find" the 500 votes that somehow got missed. i bet i know already who the 499 cast their vote for.

doesn't it sound more races those 98% black vote for Obama? Why medias don't talk aboaut that. When 67 % white vote for Hillary, medias make big deal and call those white folks races.

OBAMA WAS THE FIRST TO PLAY THE RACE CARD -- Philadelphia Inquirer
Quietly, the storm over the hateful views expressed by Sen. Barack Obama's pastor, Rev. Wright, has blown away the most insidious myth of the Democratic primary campaign. Obama and his surrogates have charged that Hillary Clinton has deliberately and cleverly played the race card in order to label Obama the "black" candidate.
Having injected racial posturing into the contest, Obama's "post-racial" campaign finally seems to be all about race and sensational charges about white racism. But the mean-spirited strategy started even before the primaries began, when Obama's operatives began playing the race card - and blamed Hillary Clinton.
Had she truly conspired to inflame racial animosities in January and February, her campaign would have brought up the Rev. Wright and his incendiary sermons. But the Clinton campaign did not. And when the Wright stories and videos finally did break through in the mass media, they came not from Clinton's supporters but from Fox News Network.
Although Wright had until recently been obscure to the American public, political insiders and reporters have long known about him. On March 6, 2007, the New York Times reported that Obama had disinvited Wright from speaking at his announcement because, as Wright said Obama told him, "You can get kind of rough in the sermons." By then, conservative commentators had widely denounced Wright. His performances in the pulpit were easily accessible on DVD, direct from his church. But Clinton, despite her travails, elected to remain silent.
Instead, she had to fight back against a deliberately contrived strategy to make her and her husband look like race-baiters. Obama's supporters and operatives, including his chief campaign strategist David Axelrod, seized on accurate and historically noncontroversial statements and supplied a supposedly covert racist subtext that they then claimed the calculating Clinton campaign had inserted.
The Obama campaign and its supporters pressed this strategy after Clinton's unexpected win in New Hampshire. Pundits partial to Obama, including Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post and John Nichols of the Nation, instantly mused that their candidate lost because of supposedly bigoted New Hampshire whites who had lied to pre-primary pollsters - an easily disproven falsehood that nevertheless gained currency in the media.
Next morning, Obama's national co-chair, Jesse Jackson Jr., cast false and vicious aspersions about Hillary Clinton's famous emotional moment in New Hampshire as a measure of her deep racial insensitivity. "Her appearance brought her to tears," said Jackson, "not Hurricane Katrina."
Obama's backers, including members of his official campaign staff, then played what might be called "the race-baiter card." Hillary Clinton, in crediting both Lyndon Johnson as well as the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. for the Civil Rights Act in 1964, had supposedly denigrated King, and by extension Obama. Allegedly, Bill Clinton had dismissed Obama's victory in South Carolina by comparing it to those of the Rev. Jesse Jackson in the 1980s. (In fact, their electoral totals were comparable - and in the interview at issue, Clinton complimented Obama on his performance "everywhere" - a line the media usually omitted.)
Thereafter, Obama's high command billowed further race-baiter allegations into the media. Pointing to the notoriously right-wing Drudge Report, Obama's campaign manager David Plouffe accused the Clinton campaign of deliberately leaking a supposedly racist photograph of Obama in African garb, which actually originated on still another right-wing Web site. Finally, David Axelrod trumpeted Geraldine Ferraro's awkward remarks in an obscure California newspaper as part of the Clinton campaign's "insidious pattern" of divisiveness.

hi everyone...glad to see you on. i must say something here, hillary was not expected to win in guam. but look at the votes and how close they are. my goodness...let me hear what you have to say

Face reality, Dems. Hillary will be
your nominee. When the Clintons drive
their big "machine" up to the steps
of the convention in Denver, Obama
will be handed the keys and slipped
50 bucks to park it "close". He'll
say "Yes'm, yes'm" and we can all get
back to the world of Democrat politics
as usual.

Pennsylvaniavoter said: I don't care who commits voter or election fraud if they did something wrong they should be called out on it and indicted but has anyone ever heard an Obama supporter admit to one single thing he has ever done wrong. I never have and I have read hundreds and hundreds of blog entries, there is something totally wrong with that.

Amen. It's like they have a missing gene; you know, the one that enables them to process information that is inconsistent with their preconceived notions. It is very scary, indeed.

So Guam can vote.....
Now, if only we can have the good citizens of Florida and Michigan be so lucky.....

I'm sure it will give you all a clearer handle on missing votes in the caucuses.

Guess whose?

Washington state is another perfect example.

Obama won the caucus by 17 or 20%

Then he won the primary by 3% .

For reasons unknown, they somehow count the CAUCUS instead of the primary.

How about Nevada. clinton wins by 6 full percentage points. Obama gets 1 more delegate.

Michigan? Florida ? Thank god for Obama those didnt count. Campaigning or no campaigning. He wasnt winning either of those states.

There have been a PILE of convienent breaks for Senator Obama this year.

Not to mention the SEVERE media bias.

Blue Irish

CHECK OUT.OBAMA WON CAUCUSES BUT
LOST ALL THE BIG STATES WITH THE MAJORITY OF ELECTORAL VOTES.

OBAMA IS A FRAUD.
OBAMA IS A JOKE
OBAMA IS FAKE.

HIS SUPPORTERS ARE BLACKS,AND ULTRA LEFT WING LIBERALS.
NO LIBERAL EVER WON THE WHITE HOUSE.

HE IS UNELECTABLE.

500 ballots reported as being "spoiled". Just like that silly politician fellow......What's his name?

Having been in Texas and a participant(along with several of my associates across the state) of the primary voting and caucuses, I can tell you the reason Hillary won the primary by a few points and lost the caucus is that Republicans, at the urging of Rush Limbaugh, were voting for her. They were not, however, commited to Operation Chaos enough to spend the necessary time at the caucuses. We kne w the crossover Republicans, they are our neighbors. They admitted what they were doing.

In the end, Hillary won the primary as a result of Operation Chaos, but not the caucus, there is no doubt about it

About caucuses: After the Washington State caucus there was an NPR story about the intimidation at a caucus there. It was recorded and NPR played the clip of the Hillary supporter trying to make her case. Her son stood supportively beside her while she was heckled by Obama supporters who chanted Obama slogans and didn't allow her to speak. I have heard many reports of this kind of bullying in Washington and other states. However, in keeping with the media's malpractice in this election, there has never been mention of the Washington incident or other caucus fraud in the MSM.

Interesting that all the posters screaming about how Obama's supporters must have intimidated Hillary's supporters in the Guam caucus never bothered to educate themselves about how it actually works. In Guam, although it is called a caucus, it works just like a primary. Voters go to their assigned precinct, and indicate which candidate they prefer on a secret ballot. It is completely different from the caucuses those posters have been ranting about. My advice is, it's better to know the facts BEFORE you spew online, or anywhere else, for that matter.

I don't care who commits voter or election fraud if they did something wrong they should be called out on it and indicted but has anyone ever heard an Obama supporter admit to one single thing he has ever done wrong. I never have and I have read hundreds and hundreds of blog entries, there is something totally wrong with that.

Crooked Claims About Clinton
January 18, 2008
Updated: February 8, 2008
Four-time convicted felon Peter Paul falsely accuses Clinton in video viewed by millions.
Summary
In a video that has logged millions of views on the Internet since early October, Peter Paul, a felon who helped produce a gala fundraiser for the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton’s 2000 Senate campaign, makes a number of false or misleading charges against the presidential contender and former First Lady. Among them:
• The video gives the false impression that the Clintons somehow caused Paul to be investigated for securities fraud as retaliation for a lawsuit he filed against them. But the investigation – and Paul’s indictment – came first.
• A lawyer appearing on the video claims that a telephone conversation between Paul, Hillary Clinton and others shows that she had knowledge of and perpetrated illegal campaign activities, when the conversation illustrates no such thing. It only shows Hillary thanking organizers of a fundraiser.
• The same lawyer alleges that the actions of Clinton and those working for her amounted to "the largest fraud in election funding history," a claim that is absurd. The campaign was fined for a reporting violation, not "fraud." And the fine was relatively modest compared with other FEC fines.
• The video makes deceptive use of an ABC "20/20" clip in an effort to prove that the Clintons pretended not to know who Paul was after his criminal past came to light.
Update Feb. 8: We have received a response from Douglas Cogan, co-producer of the video. We’ve reviewed Cogan’s comments carefully and see no reason to change anything we said. We have posted his unedited comments and our response as a supporting document.

This is worse than the Rezko case. Read this

Can anyone please explain this story about Peter Paul Vs Hillary Clinton? It's on the blogs now. It's about stuff on fraud and campaign finance against Hillary. Who is Peter Paul? Why is no one talking about this? Isn’t this a serious issue in a general election? This has been described as the campaign finance scandal of the new millennium and no one wants to discuss it. Does America not deserve better? I leave it to you guys to decide.

Sophia: Why don't you instead comment on the article I posted from the Chicago Tribune of the ruthless and underhanded way he won his first election? I'd love to hear your rationalization, I mean, opinion on it.

Go Hillary.

I have been saying the same thing. The whole thing about caucus intimidation was very clear in texas.

Clinton wins the private vote primary by 4% . Out of millions of votes.

Then LOSES the caucus that was the SAME NIGHT, WITH THE SAME VOTERS. Loses by over 10% .

How can you justify that?

Easy. Older voters couldnt handle waiting 4hrs in line to caucus, and voter intimidation and fraud.

This is how you can take the SAME group of voters and watch then vote one way in a primary and another in a caucus.

No national airplay was given to that.

Its amazing that not even one pundit even thought is fairly DUBIOUS that the results could be so differnt.

Obama desperately needed to win the caucus states to be a viable candidate but its true, along came NH and he lost.

Elizabeth7: I would think that even the Obama minions would be getting tired of all of this race card throwing. I imagine it is a full-time job just buying the new decks. Seriously, millions of us are getting rather tired of the race card. The more Obama and his fans use it, the more galvanized we become in our opposition. So keep it up; it only fortifies our resolve.

Ernest you might want to do some research in regards to Hillary Clinton or the Clinton administration before defending her. I have researchED both candidates I think fairly well and Obama doesn't have anything illegal in his campaign nor on his personal records. You may want to watch the Hillary Movie that has actual documents of the illegal actions taken on by Hillary. She is in a legal battle in California and is under investigation as we speak today for fraud and illegal campaigning-She is married to her politics and from the get go she has been willing to have people die, imprisioned and fired for her driven purpose to be president-I REALLY DISLIKE THE FACT SHE USES PEOPLES VULNERABILTY AND THIER HOPE TO GET WHAT SHE WANTS. HILLARY DOESN'T CARE ABOUT US, SHE CARES ABOUT HILLARY! GO OBAMA-FOR TRUTH, COMPASSION, HONESTY, INTEGRITY AND YES WE CAN!

Voter in Texas. I have heard the same stories coming from Iowa.

If it is found that Obama supporters engaged in fraudulent activities during the caucuses, it would not surprise me. Obama has been a dirty politician from the start. Look how he obtained his first elective office, and then tell me he stands for "change":

Chicago Sun-Times—A close examination of Obama’s first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: Obama, who runs on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless, first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it. Alice Palmer, friend and mentor to Obama, served the district in the Illinois Senate for much of the 1990s. Decades earlier, she was a community organizer in the area when Obama was growing up in Hawaii. She risked her safe seat to run for Congress and touted Obama as a suitable successor. But when Palmer lost the congressional race, her supporters asked Obama to fold his campaign so she could easily retain her state Senate seat. Obama not only refused to step aside for the woman who was his friend and had recommended him for the seat, he filed challenges that nullified Palmer’s hastily gathered nominating petitions, forcing her to withdraw. Had Palmer survived the petition challenge, Obama would have faced the daunting task of taking on an incumbent senator. “He wondered if we should knock everybody off the ballot. How would that look?” said Ronald Davis, the paid Obama campaign consultant whom Obama referred to as his “guru of petitions.” Davis filed objections to all four of Obama’s Democratic rivals at the candidate’s behest. All other candidates were disposed of by Obama’s challenges. He then went on to win the election.

I'm quite sure they know about it but since Hillary's campaign have been the ones complaining they probably aren't listening. And you know how it goes even if Hillary's lawyers file formal charges she will take the heat in the media for taking the low road.
I expect it will become news if Obama wins the nomination.

This is really getting interesting. I still think the polls are probably wrong and Clinton actually will end up with more votes than they predict. I think there is this political correctness thing where no one wants to admit to not voting Obama. I am really hoping that in the next few months the Obama mania begins to look like a ridiculous fad--like the mullet. I saw a news segment where kids in PA had a mock election and almost all voted Obama--because it was cool. Regular people do not really let celebrities like Jane Fonda tell them for whom to vote. Anyway, I do not like to be too mean, but the Obama craze is really ughhh!!!! The DNC should thank God above for HRC, she may have saved the party.

@ Pennsylvaniavoter,

How terrible it is and scary.
How come the DNC can not prevent something like this happening.

Maybe this is how he won all of those caucuses.

Texas Caucus Fraud (Updated)

This stands out: only four major Texas counties were orderly enough to report most of their caucus results election night, and in three of these, caucus preference mirrored the popular vote (HRC popular/caucus): El Paso (69/75), Austin/Travis (37/34), San Antonio/Bexar (56/57). In the case of Austin, I have read reports that that both sides ran their caucuses well.

These counties had exceptional organizations, but it should not take heroics to run a fair election.

On election night in El Paso, it became obvious that the Obama field campaign was designed to steal caucuses. Prior to that, it was impossible for me to imagine the level of attempted fraud and disruption we would see. It was far worse than any GOP campaign I have organized against on the Central Coast, worse than Tom Bordonaro's, worse than Andrea Seastrand's, worse than the Dole campaign whose supporters vandalized our headquarters.

We saw stolen precincts where Obama organizers fabricated counts, made false entries on sign-in sheets, suppressed delegate counts, and suppressed caucus voters. We saw patterns such as missing electronic access code sheets and precinct packets taken before the legal time, like elsewhere in the state. Obama volunteers illegally took convention materials state-wide, with attempts as early as 6:30 am. Some of this was presented in a press release from Clinton Campaign Counsel Lyn Utrecht, but I witnessed worse than what she disclosed.

In one example of fraud that I witnessed, one of my precinct captains, an elderly Hispanic woman, called me to report that BHO supporters had illegally seized control of the convention. During our series of phone calls, Mrs. "A." reported that the Obama people took the convention materials and did not have a legal election of officers. Like nearly all of El Paso, BHO people would have lost such an election in this majority-Hillary, Hispanic, mostly elderly precinct convention.

The Obama people ordered Mrs. A. to sit across the room during the delegate calculation, and excluded Hillary supporters from the process. Mrs. A. overheard an Obama supporter call in a false delegate count to Austin. In a 13 delegate precinct where Obama should have won approximately 4 delegates, the Obama supporters attempted to award 19 delegates to Obama. This was not innocent. During my attempts at cell phone diplomacy, the Obama "chair" hung up on me, and refused to talk to the ethical Obama organizer I was paired with at another precinct convention. As with all major attempts at fraud that we identified, this delegate count was rectified in private at the county TDP headquarters, according to TDP rules, but there were no public charges or sanctions. It is my opinion that people should be in jail, but there is not a mechanism for this sort of prosecution, certainly not within TDP rules.

@Nicholas 11:21:20.

I have the same question too.
Why he always wins caucuses but loses in Primary.

The reason why everyone would be telling Obama to get out if Clinton had the lead is she WON EVERY MAJOR PRIMARY and most of the remaining contests favor Clinton.

He will score North Carolina and oregon most likely.

On the other hand, Obama is the LOSER of all the major primaries except his home state, and has serious electability issues.

So there is a pretty darn good reason why Clinton hasnt dropped out.

It's true as someone here has said:

"I WONDER WHY OBAMA WINS CAUCUSES AND
LOSES PRIMARIES.
CAUCUSES ARE FRAUD."

Caucus is total MANIPULATION.

What the hell?

Cant win in primaries?!?

Does everyone think the Nomination process started in march 4th?

There were 2 months before that of caucuses and primarys. Clinton Lost 11 IN A ROW. She got killed in VA, MD, DC, WI...all with large populations and she got killed in them all. Anyone saying crap that Obama cant win primaries clearly hasnt been paying attention.

You have to be an idiot to suggest that Obama was favored to win a caucus that operated more like a primary in an island dominated by Asians. There were no polls for Guam to suggest Obama had an edge. Hawai is thousands of miles from Guam. Hillary's people are displaying their ignorance.

Yes, Obama was favored to win by a landslide. He is on the downslide. He is now a fatally flawed candidate. He even looks depressed and demoralized, all that energy and "hope" gone.

Go Hillary!!! Madame President and First Laddie Bill!

And thanks, ABC, for putting up the popular vote totals with and without FL and MI. They are obviously SO close.

Pfffffffffffth.

Maybe they'll just give them "New" superdelegates. Whatever the hell that means.

It's like the Democrats *want* to loose or something. Totally undermine the voter base's trust in the nomination process, lose the election, leave the Republicans to deal with the recession, and then come back as if they are going to save us. Again.

Tina - you are a bit confused I think. 500 ballots were disallowed and need to be reviewed. Close to half the printed ballots are missing (3600). With a tallied difference of 7 votes combined with those discrepancies, the election has not been certified. They meet again early next week to "recount". Obama had projected he would win with 65% and no one really expected differently. The population/culture of Guam is close to Hawaii and Indonesia where he spent much of his life. This is also a caucus contest where he had paid staffers on the island and outspent Clinton 5-1 on ads. The fact that the race is close is surprising everyone and should certainly be looked at. My hope is that the will of the voters can be determined and that the discrepancies are simply the result of such a small island being overwhelmed by the turnout and that there is no wrongdoing.

And they'll all magically be Clinton votes, watch.

Why recount ? Well, I guess for the MASSIVE bragging rights to who won Guam.

How about you just save us all the hassle, and 'find' seven ballots so its an EXACT tie, and lets move on.